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"Child Support" money?
"Gini52" wrote in message ... In article , Fighting For Kids says... On 12 Nov 2003 19:01:04 -0800, Gini52 wrote: But then comes into play that you can show a receipt for a food bill but can't say for sure who eats the food. You can buy clothes, show a receipt but not now for sure who the clothes were bought for. I know for infants/toddlers it may state on the receipt that the clothes were of that general size but what about when your kid gets older? My daughter wears about the same size clothes as me. There is a way around everything.... just as business people know how to get around the IRS and claim stuff that shouldn't be claimed. T ====== Soooooo....what you're saying is that because some people cheat on their taxes, CPs should not be subject to accounting for CS? :-) Look, this is not difficult. I'm not proposing that necessities be accounted for. Food, clothing, shelter would be allotted at a fixed rate for the jurisdiction (as is done for foster kids). The extras should be accounted for (lifestyle). If the CP is going to claim the child is taking riding and dance lessons, the receipts for those payments should be in the box. If the child gives up dance and takes up drums, the receipts should be in the box. If the child's clothing desires are in excess of the base allotment, the receipts go in the box. There must be a standard of what expenses are anticipated for the child. It happens in virtually every other area of financial management. === === What is a reasonable amount for necessities? The low amounts set by the cheap governmentt and their budget allotment to foster care programs or on actual costs of raising a child. The government doesnt just figure that these foster kids should get x amount because thats what it costs, they look at their budget for foster care programs and say based on our budget we can afford to pay x amount per child. ==== Well, how much does the state require intact families to spend on their kids? Last I checked.... NOTHING. Maybe we should start there. ==== ==== |
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"Child Support" money?
"Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "Gini52" wrote in message ... In article , Moon Shyne says... "Dave" dave@freedoms-door wrote in message ... "Jon" wrote in message news:Gvxsb.181492$HS4.1507961@attbi_s01... So if you receive support you can never buy a lottery ticket or take a drink? Child support should not be used for anything other than for supporting the child. So I use the child support to support the children, and buy my lottery ticket with my own money. Now........... how can you tell which dollar was which? They all look the same. ===== The dollar spent on the child will come with a receipt. So I can't buy anything for my children at a street fair, or some other place where they don't issue receipts? Can't buy ice cream from the ice cream truck because they don't issue receipts? I COULD be wrong, but I believe that you are legally entitled to a receipt. ===== ===== |
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"Fighting For Kids" wrote in message news On 12 Nov 2003 18:45:30 -0800, Gini52 wrote: ==== Yep. It comes from your percent share. (My proposal is, however, that only the amount over reasonable actual expenses should be subject to accounting.) ==== ==== But what is a reasonable amount? Not one person here has agreed to any amount proposed. That ought to be left up to the parent to decide; dontcha think? |
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"Tiffany" wrote in message ... The DaveŠ wrote in message ... Moon Shyne wrote: The dollar spent on the child will come with a receipt. So I can't buy anything for my children at a street fair, or some other place where they don't issue receipts? Can't buy ice cream from the ice cream truck because they don't issue receipts? Apparently not. If you are so selfish with your own money that you can't spring for an ice cream, this will be a problem, won't it? Well, I don't think it should be a nickel-dime thing. CP's should be accountable for the large sums of money that doesn't seem to go to the kids, not a mere $2.50 for an ice cream. $2.50 here, $2.50 there. Nickels and dimes add up to dollars. T |
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"Jon" wrote in message news:AjCsb.187030$e01.681443@attbi_s02... What I am saying is this: The actual physical child support dollars that come in the form of a check from the Family Support Registry do not have to be spent on the children if the custodial parent has already had to take the NCP's share out of their own income to pay direct and indirect child expenses for any given month. This is not rocket science. If they've already paid for such expenses out of their own pocket, then they don't need the "child support" money, do they? "The DaveŠ" wrote in message ... Jon wrote: So if you receive support you can never buy a lottery ticket or take a drink? FYI. Child support "dollars" can be spent on anything the CP wants, as long as they have already had to beg, borrow or steal from others to make up the the deadbeat's share before he decided to pay. So, you admit that CS is really general income for the CP (read: mother), and should be taxed accordingly? |
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In article , Fighting For Kids
says... On 12 Nov 2003 19:37:19 -0800, Gini52 wrote: You think those things are necessities that your x should be paying for? T It could be.. if the street fair is selling school supplies cheaper than walmart and you buy them there isnt that still spending money on the child's basic needs? I can think of all kinds of necessity items one could by at a street fair vs a store. All brand new items often less expensive than at the stores themselves. ===== Logic dictates that incidental spending be attributable to the CP's percent share. The NCP is not responsible for the entire financial output for the child(ren). Y'all didn't forget about that part, did you? ===== ===== Did I say that ALL that should be paid for by the NCP?? No. ==== Now you're getting flustered again. I didn't say YOU said that ALL should be paid by the NCP. It was a simple statement of fact. === I said that it could be conceivable that a parent could buy NECESSITIES at a street fair vs. a store in which case a "receipt" wouldnt be provided. === And your point? === === |
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Cameron Stevens wrote:
I agree with the principle and I know this will be a challenge for those people who are especially challenged to budget or manage their money. Life is full of requirements that we're not all proficient at. We get through it, anyway. |
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"Child Support" money?
Tiffany wrote:
So I can't buy anything for my children at a street fair, or some other place where they don't issue receipts? Can't buy ice cream from the ice cream truck because they don't issue receipts? Apparently not. If you are so selfish with your own money that you can't spring for an ice cream, this will be a problem, won't it? Well, I don't think it should be a nickel-dime thing. CP's should be accountable for the large sums of money that doesn't seem to go to the kids, not a mere $2.50 for an ice cream. And I don't think that accounting for 100% of CS is reasonable, either, precisely because at that level it is getting petty. 75% or so would be fine, enough to give a good solid indication that the money is being spent for its intended purpose. That would be most sizable purchases and expenses. |
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On 12 Nov 2003 19:58:16 -0800, Gini52 wrote: ==== I have repeatedly suggested that a reasonable amount is commensurate with the amount states pay for foster children. This includes regional COL variances. ==== ==== |
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:52:56 -0800, "Chris" wrote:
==== Well, how much does the state require intact families to spend on their kids? Last I checked.... NOTHING. Maybe we should start there. ==== ==== Actually in a round about way the govt does. If you dont spend money on your children by giving them clothing, food, ect they take your child away or throw your ass in jail for neglect. |
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