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On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 07:04:42 -0000, "john" wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message Sorry, it does not fly. Part of it - yes, but all of it - no. None of it, UK measles deaths declined 99.4% before vaccination in 1968. That is bull****. Read http://www.pharmamafia.com .. -- "Weiber sind von der Natur zum gemeinschaftlichen Genuß bestimmt." (Kapokrates, Frühchrist und Klostergründer) Mehr über den klerikalen Frauenverschleiß: http://www.reimbibel.de |
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On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 20:57:53 -0000, "john" wrote:
So was I. See: http://whale.to/m/meas That is bull****. Read http://www.pharmamafia.com ,the best site to atomize the lies of the anti-vaxxers. .. -- "Weiber sind von der Natur zum gemeinschaftlichen Genuß bestimmt." (Kapokrates, Frühchrist und Klostergründer) Mehr über den klerikalen Frauenverschleiß: http://www.reimbibel.de |
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On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 20:51:48 -0000, "john" wrote:
if you vax denialists really cared about measles deaths you would be using vitamin C, That is damned stupid. .. -- "Weiber sind von der Natur zum gemeinschaftlichen Genuß bestimmt." (Kapokrates, Frühchrist und Klostergründer) Mehr über den klerikalen Frauenverschleiß: http://www.reimbibel.de |
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In memory of Olivia Neal, who died of measles
In Erinnerung an Olivia Neal
http://www.transgallaxys.com/~kanzle...?threadid=5669 Die Tochter von Roald Dahl starb an Masern http://www.transgallaxys.com/~kanzle...?threadid=5631 Her brother could be saved, but they did not have enough substance for all children. .. -- "Weiber sind von der Natur zum gemeinschaftlichen Genuß bestimmt." (Kapokrates, Frühchrist und Klostergründer) Mehr über den klerikalen Frauenverschleiß: http://www.reimbibel.de |
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john wrote:
"Beverly Erlebacher" wrote in message .. . Only vaccination can prevent measles encephalitis. ********, cause it more like http://whale.to/vaccines/encephalitis.htm "What could be the cause of so much encephalitis in the US population? The only possible cause is the childhood vaccination program. The pertussis and measles vaccines are particularly dangerous, but all the vaccines have made a certain contribution."--Harris Coulter Before the vaccine, it was accepted that just about every child would get measles. The *incidence* remained very high. I know -- I was there. So was I. See: http://whale.to/m/measles3.html What a waste of bandwidth. The best to offer to support this position is unproven anecdote. No data, except those that are older than I. Jeff |
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Mike wrote:
Steven Bornfeld wrote: john wrote: http://genesgreenbook.com/resources/...phs-RO2009.pdf Figures one (1) through eleven (11) graphically illustrate that in North America, Europe, and the South Pacific , major declines in life-threatening infectious diseases occurred historically either without, or far in advance of public immunization efforts for specific diseases as listed. This provides irrefutable evidence that vaccines are not necessary for the effective elimination of a wide range of infectious diseases Figures eleven (12) through twenty-four (24) graphically illustrate that immunization is not by any means a proven and foolproof measure for protection from various infectious disease conditions. It is often inconsequential epidemiologically, and in some cases it is shown to actually worsen health-care outcomes. http://jdc325.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/measles/ So? The point was that measles incidence and mortality sharply decreased well before the vaccinations. It stands. Some numbers: 863 deaths in the USA in the 1958-1967 - that is, 10 years before the vaccinations. In 1968-1977 - 292 deaths In 1979-1988 - 140 In 1989-1998 - 10 So far, so good. But it 1933, there were 44 deaths in the FIRST 10 WEEKS in New York City ALONE. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...747256,00.html There are also graphs at http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/ and http://1phil4everyill.wordpress.com/...cure-or-cause/ We can see for example that measles mortality in the USA in 1933 was about 80 cases per 1 million population - that is, about 10,000 cases. Per year, not per 10 years. That translates to 92% reduction in 35 years from 1933 to 1968, without vaccinations. Now vax flacks want us to believe that 66% or 87% decrease of deaths in 10 years are solely the result of vaccinations. Sorry, it does not fly. Part of it - yes, but all of it - no. It is not accurate to paint all vaccine advocates one way. There is indeed a small rate of vaccine failure. Still, outbreaks are more common where vaccination rates are low. A pretty good discussion is he http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00001328.htm Steve |
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In message , john wrote:
http://genesgreenbook.com/resources/...phs-RO2009.pdf Figures one (1) through eleven (11) graphically illustrate that in North America, Europe, and the South Pacific , major declines in life-threatening infectious diseases occurred historically either without, or far in advance of public immunization efforts for specific diseases as listed. This provides irrefutable evidence that vaccines are not necessary for the effective elimination of a wide range of infectious diseases Figures eleven (12) through twenty-four (24) graphically illustrate that immunization is not by any means a proven and foolproof measure for protection from various infectious disease conditions. It is often inconsequential epidemiologically, and in some cases it is shown to actually worsen health-care outcomes. I love it when people flagrantly doctor the data to make up graphs. This is one of the best, since it cherry-picks a small number of dates to pull highs and lows of a varying list and then draws a straight line from long before measles vaccination to long after to pretend that there was a steady decline. Lovely example: http://genesgreenbook.com/content/pr...-didnt-save-us Now, isn't that an impressive decline from before vaccination? Only one problem -- a whole bunch of dates are deleted between 1935 and 1947 and between 1947 and 1959. Careful selection can be sooo useful, no? Here's the original graph: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/...les-canada.jpg Now, isn't it curious that someone would go to this much trouble to lie about a subject? -- | The brighter the stupid burns, the more | | chance that someone will see the light. | +- D. C. Sessions -+ |
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"D. C. Sessions" wrote in message Now, isn't it curious that someone would go to this much trouble to lie about a subject? you lot invented the graph lie http://whale.to/vaccine/graphs_lies.html |
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In message , john wrote:
"Up to 90% of the total decline in the death rate of children between 1860-1965 because of whooping cough, scarlet fever, diptheria, and measles occurred before the introduction of immunisations and antibiotics."---Dr Archie Kalokerinos, M.D. (Introduction to AIDS Time Bomb by John West) "Archie Kalokerinos makes **** up." The difference between those two statements is that there's actually evidence for the second one. Oh, and don't y'all just /love/ the "up to ___%" line that you see in ads? "UP TO 70% OFF!!!!!!!" (Translation: zero off on everything but one item that nobody wants.) -- | The brighter the stupid burns, the more | | chance that someone will see the light. | +- D. C. Sessions -+ |
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