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Have you tried an electric toothbrush?
Since they are all over the store shelves now, I know you have seen them.
If you haven't tried one of the new, inexpensive electric toothbrushes, you don't know what you are missing. I have been using the things for years and love them. The last post subject line which mentioned them in this group was mine in December 2000. They are much easier to use and they clean like a regular toothbrush never could. They will make your teeth cleaner than ever before. And you can use less toothpaste per brushing. My favorite is (I wont mention the brand) the one with two moving brush heads. It is just fantastic. I love all that action (maybe because I have a big mouth, but that is another subject). If you want to save lots of money, get a NiMH battery charger with batteries. But, even tho the package might say the toothbrush is waterproof, do not let your kid(s) play with it in water. Batteries will rupture and might spill their dangerous contents when the battery terminals are shorted by accidental exposure to water. Electric toothbrushes are marvelous for cleaning teeth thoroughly, the easy way. Do it for the kids! -- Is wannabe_princess still here? How's it going? Have fun. |
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Have you tried an electric toothbrush?
"John Doe" wrote in message ... Since they are all over the store shelves now, I know you have seen them. If you haven't tried one of the new, inexpensive electric toothbrushes, you don't know what you are missing. I have been using the things for years and love them. The last post subject line which mentioned them in this group was mine in December 2000. They are much easier to use and they clean like a regular toothbrush never could. They will make your teeth cleaner than ever before. And you can use less toothpaste per brushing. My favorite is (I wont mention the brand) the one with two moving brush heads. It is just fantastic. I love all that action (maybe because I have a big mouth, but that is another subject). If you want to save lots of money, get a NiMH battery charger with batteries. But, even tho the package might say the toothbrush is waterproof, do not let your kid(s) play with it in water. Batteries will rupture and might spill their dangerous contents when the battery terminals are shorted by accidental exposure to water. Electric toothbrushes are marvelous for cleaning teeth thoroughly, the easy way. Do it for the kids! My dentist says it makes no differance using a normal brush or a electric brush. If your teeth are going to rot, they will rot regardless of what kind of brush you use. He said those kind of brushes are good for eldery, frail, disabled or children. I think they make you lazy. Having said that I use mine but only sometimes. When I think of it and the kids aren't around as they pefer normal tooth brushes (like me) sicne we usually all go to bed at the same time (or in the morning etc) Nic -- Is wannabe_princess still here? How's it going? Have fun. |
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Have you tried an electric toothbrush?
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"John Doe" wrote in message My dentist says it makes no differance using a normal brush or a electric brush. Then he (or she) is wrong. If your teeth are going to rot, they will rot regardless of what kind of brush you use. Also what he said? Maybe he doesn't want to offend your bias. Given the same time and effort, an electric toothbrush is light years better for cleaning teeth. He said those kind of brushes are good for eldery, frail, disabled or children. That is a good troll, IMO. Nice touch. I just got back from a wonderful inline skating session. Awesome sport. The weather is cool and crisp with a breeze out of the north. It was much fun. Skate over to my house some day and we will go skating together (nevermind the Pacific). I think they make you lazy. Looking at your next paragraph, one might figure you have been using the electric toothbrush way too much. Having said that I use mine but only sometimes. When I think of it and the kids aren't around as they pefer normal tooth brushes (like me) sicne we usually all go to bed at the same time (or in the morning etc) I think your careless bias in this matter comes from the fact you "think technology is moving forward to fast!" How can you type on a PC keyboard without creating sparks? Nic Path: bgtnsc04- news.ops.worldnet.att.net!wnmaster12!wn13feed!worl dnet.att.net!216.196.106. 140!border1.nntp.sjc.giganews.com!border2.nntp.sjc .giganews.com!nntp.gigane ws.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newsfeeder.syd.opt usnet.com.au!news.optusne t.com.au!not-for-mail From: "Nic" Newsgroups: misc.kids.health References: Subject: Have you tried an electric toothbrush? Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 20:02:44 +1000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Lines: 58 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 211.28.164.208 X-Trace: 1083578508 12740 211.28.164.208 Xref: wnmaster12 misc.kids.health:121931 X-Received-Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 10:01:49 GMT (bgtnsc04- news.ops.worldnet.att.net) |
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Have you tried an electric toothbrush?
"Nic" wrote in message . au...
My dentist says it makes no differance using a normal brush or a electric brush. Consumers reports agrees that it makes no difference. The one caveate, especially with kids, is that if they have more fun with it and use it longer it may help. -- CBI, MD |
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"John Doe" wrote in message ... (CBI) wrote "Nic" wrote in message My dentist says it makes no differance using a normal brush or a electric brush. Consumers reports agrees that it makes no difference. Care to provide a quotation/citation? An issue date? It was discussed in the December 2003 issue. This is only available on-line for a fee. Now that I have shown you mine would you care to do the same? If you have any experience with hand versus power tools, you should be able to understand the difference between polishing/cleaning something by hand versus an electrical polisher. Yes, that analogy seems to makes sense. In this case it appears to be wrong, but I certainly understand the logic and appeal of it. If you know anything about analogies you should know that they do not always apply to similar situations and it is not always obvious why not. Truth be told - I would have guessed that they do better as well but it would have been just a guess. Better than my (or your) guessing CR decided to test it and they found no difference. Sorry if you don't like the results but unless you have some other information they are the only ones we have (that and the opinion of the dentist already mentioned). Me thinks some people are feeling a little guilty for not taking good care of their kids dental health. And you should IMO, unless perhaps you live in Siberia/China and your economy isn't good enough to readily provide such things. Here in the United States, electric toothbrushes cost little as $5 (five US dollars). The rechargable batteries cost extra but will save money and trips to the store in a short while. I agree. If they work better then it is a small investment. If they work better..... Without a doubt, there is a huge positive difference using an electric toothbrush. Apparently it is not without a doubt. The one caveate, especially with kids, is that if they have more fun with it and use it longer it may help. I would caution against using an electric toothbrush for a long time. Like any polisher/cleaner, manual or electric, a brush wears on things. An electric toothbrush can and will accomplish more of that abraisive action in a fraction of the time. You can accomplish the same amount of cleaning in much less time, long as you reach the same areas. Since you hold the brush head still, applying it to one point is very easy. So you not only have the pulsing action, you can concentrate the action in the exact right area (like in the back of your mouth). But again, not good to do so for a long time, IMO. You just love to speculate, don't you? I actually think that is a good thing so long as you can keep track of the difference between what is your own idle speculations and what is established fact (or at least one with a modicum of factual support). -- CBI, MD |
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"CBI" wrote
"John Doe" wrote in message (CBI) wrote Consumers reports agrees that it makes no difference. Care to provide a quotation/citation? An issue date? It was discussed in the December 2003 issue. This is only available on-line for a fee. Now that I have shown you mine would you care to do the same? I wont subscribe to Consumer Reports to seek proof of your claim. Perhaps what you recall isn't what was said. Or maybe they screwed up royally. If you know how to use the Usenet archives, you have no need for Consumer Reports. I don't mean everything users say is true, sometimes even the consensus could be wrong. Sometimes you have to read between the lines. In any case, the wealth of available information/opinions is greater than any other single source in the world, and growing. A quick search provides me some very enthusiastic and experienced collaboration, and no experienced disagreement. Here are some experienced quotes from the archives. You can find them from Google's search page. ....Just dropped and broke my electric toothbrush, being a diabetic it`s a must. [because it keeps her mouth cleaner which lessens risk of infection] ....For the past 15 years I've been flossing, and brushing daily with an electric toothbrush. Every 5 years ... the doc says, "Everything looks good. Keep it up." ....ALL MY GRANDKIDS HAVE ELECTRIC TOOTHBRUSHES. ALL MY GROWN KIDS HAVE THEM ALSO. YES, I THINK THEY DO A MUCH BETTER JOB OF CLEANING THEIR TEETH. ALL OF THEM! ...ALL THREE OF MINE HAS ONE. AND THEY LOVE THEM [the thread started with an all capital letter post, apparently the others playfully followed suit] ....Ebay is a good bet. A lot of them are half price. .......I think I would prefer a new one ;-) [I just thot that funny] If you have any experience with hand versus power tools, you should be able to understand the difference between polishing/cleaning something by hand versus an electrical polisher. Yes, that analogy seems to makes sense. I would call it a fairly simple comparison. In this case it appears to be wrong, but I certainly understand the logic and appeal of it. It is practically the same thing. If you know anything about analogies you should know that they do not always apply to similar situations and it is not always obvious why not. Truth be told - I would have guessed that they do better as well Go with your feelings. but it would have been just a guess. But some things are obvious. Better than my (or your) guessing CR decided to test it and they found no difference. Mine is not guessing. I have been testing it for years. I posted about them here 3 1/2 years ago. I know the difference between electric and manual brushing. I can see and feel the difference. Sorry if you don't like the results but unless you have some other information they are the only ones we have (that and the opinion of the dentist already mentioned). I think that is called "double hearsay". I pointed out the bias of that author. Me thinks some people are feeling a little guilty for not taking good care of their kids dental health. And you should IMO, unless perhaps you live in Siberia/China and your economy isn't good enough to readily provide such things. Here in the United States, electric toothbrushes cost little as $5 (five US dollars). The rechargable batteries cost extra but will save money and trips to the store in a short while. I agree. If they work better then it is a small investment. Yup, if you live in a land where things are plentiful. Otherwise, maybe you still might not enjoy the idea. If they work better..... They are simply wonderful for those of us who appreciate good dental health. Thru my own experience, I know without a doubt there is a big positive difference using an electric toothbrush (given device integrity and normal use). The one caveate, especially with kids, is that if they have more fun with it and use it longer it may help. I would caution against using an electric toothbrush for a long time. Like any polisher/cleaner, manual or electric, a brush wears on things. An electric toothbrush can and will accomplish more of that abraisive action in a fraction of the time. You can accomplish the same amount of cleaning in much less time, long as you reach the same areas. Since you hold the brush head still, applying it to one point is very easy. So you not only have the pulsing action, you can concentrate the action in the exact right area (like in the back of your mouth). But again, not good to do so for a long time, IMO. You just love to speculate, don't you? Very much. Inventing things requires lots of speculation. Sometimes I speculate until dizzy. But the above is mostly fact. I actually think that is a good thing so long as you can keep track of the difference between what is your own idle speculations and what is established fact (or at least one with a modicum of factual support). Since I am not an engineer, I have to build the things I invent and design. I turn speculation into fact all the time. Since I have 32 teeth and years experience using various electric toothbrushes, there isn't anything speculative about my opinion here. Again. Buying rechargeable batteries and a recharger is important, not to test the thing but to make the thing worthwhile for practical use. BTW. The new Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH) rechargeables are much better than the old. They last 40% longer, do not degrade when only partially discharged, and do not hurt the environment like NiCads used to. Any modern device should use NiMHs. And never charge other types of batteries in a NiMH charger unless the directions plainly state otherwise. Path: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net!wnmaster11!wn13feed!worl dnet.att.net!63.223.4.70!c01.usenetserver.com!news .usenetserver.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthl ink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!e1 5c1da9!not-for-mail From: "CBI" Newsgroups: misc.kids.health References: Subject: Have you tried an electric toothbrush? Lines: 96 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: . net Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 02:18:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.84.76 X-Complaints-To: X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1083637113 165.247.84.76 (Mon, 03 May 2004 19:18:33 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 19:18:33 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: wnmaster11 misc.kids.health:121943 X-Received-Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 02:18:33 GMT (bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net) |
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"John Doe" wrote in message ... (CBI) wrote "Nic" in message My dentist says it makes no differance using a normal brush or a electric brush. Consumers reports agrees that it makes no difference. Care to provide a quotation/citation? An issue date? Your signature is "CBI, MD". Does that suggest you are a doctor? A doctor of misinformation? Where do you practice? If you have any experience with hand versus power tools, you should be able to understand the difference between polishing/cleaning something by hand versus an electrical polisher. Me thinks some people are feeling a little guilty for not taking good care of their kids dental health. And you should IMO, unless perhaps you live in Siberia/China and your economy isn't good enough to readily provide such things. Here in the United States, electric toothbrushes cost little as $5 (five US dollars). The rechargable batteries cost extra but will save money and trips to the store in a short while. Here thou (where I live) electric toothbrushes aren't as cheap as $5. The normal price range is from $50 (being the cheapest and they go upwards to $130 something. So working out you need to spend at least $50 to start of with, to start brushing, not including tooth heads, That means buying normal toothbrushes at the cost little of $1 you could buy 50 ( or more on specail) which would last at least 10 years working out that you replace your toothbrush every 3 to 4 months as it is good hygenine to do so. I would assume that electical toothbrush heads would need to be replaced about the same legnth of time and at $ 30 dollars or more for a pack of 4 makes it expensive option to use. Without a doubt, there is a huge positive difference using an electric toothbrush. Postive difference ? where ? says who ? The one caveate, especially with kids, is that if they have more fun with it and use it longer it may help. I would caution against using an electric toothbrush for a long time. Like any polisher/cleaner, manual or electric, a brush wears on things. An electric toothbrush can and will accomplish more of that abraisive action in a fraction of the time. You can accomplish the same amount of cleaning in much less time, long as you reach the same areas. Since you hold the brush head still, applying it to one point is very easy. So you not only have the pulsing action, you can concentrate the action in the exact right area (like in the back of your mouth). But again, not good to do so for a long time, IMO. hang on... your saying use caution ? why ? If it is that much better as you claim, then why do you need to use caution ? Mine has very soft bristles, so I can use it for quite a while. Over the years, it has even removed plaque. My teeth have never been cleaner (I also floss regularly). But seriously. If you haven't tried one, and you can buy one easily, go for it. Your kids will be much better off for your good/experienced advice. How do you know what my kids would like ? and what makes you think they would be better off ? I guess you wanted eveyone to go out and buy a electric toothbrush and be glad they did ? I guess you didn't expect anyone to say it isn't all what you make it to be. I think we have to agree to disagree. Nic -- CBI, MD Path: bgtnsc04- news.ops.worldnet.att.net!wnmaster11!wn52feed!worl dnet.att.net!199.218.7.14 1!news.glorb.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: (CBI) Newsgroups: misc.kids.health Subject: Have you tried an electric toothbrush? Date: 3 May 2004 08:42:55 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.80.94.22 X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 15:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Xref: wnmaster11 misc.kids.health:121935 X-Received-Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 15:42:56 GMT (bgtnsc04- news.ops.worldnet.att.net) |
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John Doe wrote in message ...
"CBI" wrote "John Doe" wrote in message (CBI) wrote Consumers reports agrees that it makes no difference. Care to provide a quotation/citation? An issue date? It was discussed in the December 2003 issue. This is only available on-line for a fee. Now that I have shown you mine would you care to do the same? I wont subscribe to Consumer Reports to seek proof of your claim. Perhaps what you recall isn't what was said. Or maybe they screwed up royally. You asked for the citation, it was given to you. I think that pretty much takes care of it. If you know how to use the Usenet archives, you have no need for Consumer Reports. Yep - there you go - a self selected bunch of anecdotes and you think you have confirmatory data. Naive is the nicest word I can think to describe your approach. You had such a great opportunity and you booted it. Had you cited Nourallah and Splieth in Caries Research. [2004 Mar-Apr;38(2):91-4] you would have had a story. Or you could have cited Lazarescu et al in the Journal of Clinical Periodontol. [2003 Aug;30(8):726-31.] Of course, CBI is far too astute and would promptly reply that Addy et al showed no difference of effects in the International Dental Journal [2003;53 Suppl 3:177-86.], to which you might have replied that it is a review and not primary research. But CBI would have pulled out Danser et al in J. Clin Periodontol [2003 Feb;30(2):138-44.] and shown how little (if any) differences there are, even in the hands of professionals. No, instead you say this: I don't mean everything users say is true, sometimes even the consensus could be wrong. Sometimes you have to read between the lines. In any case, the wealth of available information/opinions is greater than any other single source in the world, and growing. A quick search provides me some very enthusiastic and experienced collaboration, and no experienced disagreement. As for anecdotes - this has got to be the classic! ...ALL MY GRANDKIDS HAVE ELECTRIC TOOTHBRUSHES. ALL MY GROWN KIDS HAVE THEM ALSO. YES, I THINK THEY DO A MUCH BETTER JOB OF CLEANING THEIR TEETH. ALL OF THEM! ...ALL THREE OF MINE HAS ONE. AND THEY LOVE THEM [the thread started with an all capital letter post, apparently the others playfully followed suit] Though the personal appeal (I know it because I know it) is the one upsmanship of anecdote! Mine is not guessing. I have been testing it for years. I posted about them here 3 1/2 years ago. I know the difference between electric and manual brushing. I can see and feel the difference. If they work better..... They are simply wonderful for those of us who appreciate good dental health. What was it you said? Oh, yeh - "...sometimes even the consensus could be wrong." Thru my own experience, I know without a doubt there is a big positive difference using an electric toothbrush (given device integrity and normal use). So, back to the personal appeal - goody for you. In the real world, we use data. The one caveate, especially with kids, is that if they have more fun with it and use it longer it may help. I would caution against using an electric toothbrush for a long time. Like any polisher/cleaner, manual or electric, a brush wears on things. An electric toothbrush can and will accomplish more of that abraisive action in a fraction of the time. You can accomplish the same amount of cleaning in much less time, long as you reach the same areas. Since you hold the brush head still, applying it to one point is very easy. So you not only have the pulsing action, you can concentrate the action in the exact right area (like in the back of your mouth). But again, not good to do so for a long time, IMO. You just love to speculate, don't you? Very much. Inventing things requires lots of speculation. Sometimes I speculate until dizzy. But the above is mostly fact. To which I reply - provide me YOUR citation! I actually think that is a good thing so long as you can keep track of the difference between what is your own idle speculations and what is established fact (or at least one with a modicum of factual support). Since I am not an engineer, I have to build the things I invent and design. I turn speculation into fact all the time. Yes, that you do, I have no doubt. Unfortunately, you definition of fact is not consistent with the scientific definition. Hence, you are neither an engineer or a scientist. You are...a salesman! Since I have 32 teeth and years experience using various electric toothbrushes, there isn't anything speculative about my opinion here. Again. Buying rechargeable batteries and a recharger is important, not to test the thing but to make the thing worthwhile for practical use. BTW. The new Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH) rechargeables are much better than the old. They last 40% longer, do not degrade when only partially discharged, and do not hurt the environment like NiCads used to. Any modern device should use NiMHs. And never charge other types of batteries in a NiMH charger unless the directions plainly state otherwise. Actually, Lithium Ion is the best for performance and environmental safety. Power to weight is the best, no memory effect, and the components are 98% recoverable. But you knew that. js |
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"John Doe" wrote in message Me thinks some people are feeling a little guilty for not taking good care of their kids dental health. And you should IMO, unless perhaps you live in Siberia/China and your economy isn't good enough to readily provide such things. Here in the United States, electric toothbrushes cost little as $5 (five US dollars). The rechargeable batteries cost extra but will save money and trips to the store in a short while. Here thou (where I live) electric toothbrushes aren't as cheap as $5. The normal price range is from $50 (being the cheapest and they go upwards to $130 something. So working out you need to spend at least $50 to start of with, to start brushing, not including tooth heads, That means buying normal toothbrushes at the cost little of $1 you could buy 50 ( or more on specail) which would last at least 10 years working out that you replace your toothbrush every 3 to 4 months as it is good hygenine to do so. Or you can use your finger, for free. In fact, I did not buy an electic toothbrush until late 2000 when here in the United States the cheaper models began to appear. Shortly after that time, Braun/Oral-B felt the crunch and slashed the price on their low end model. Competition from other companies has radically reduced the price of electric toothbrushes here. I would assume that electical toothbrush heads would need to be replaced about the same legnth of time and at $ 30 dollars or more for a pack of 4 makes it expensive option to use. Here, the store shelves which contain toothbrushes are also full of Crest, Colgate, budget Oral-B, and other electric toothbrushes. They sell for about $5 USD. The replacement heads cost about $2.50 USD each. They last for at least one month. Without a doubt, there is a huge positive difference using an electric toothbrush. The one caveate, especially with kids, is that if they have more fun with it and use it longer it may help. I would caution against using an electric toothbrush for a long time. Like any polisher/cleaner, manual or electric, a brush wears on things. An electric toothbrush can and will accomplish more of that abraisive action in a fraction of the time. You can accomplish the same amount of cleaning in much less time, long as you reach the same areas. Since you hold the brush head still, applying it to one point is very easy. So you not only have the pulsing action, you can concentrate the action in the exact right area (like in the back of your mouth). But again, not good to do so for a long time, IMO. hang on... your saying use caution ? why ? If it is that much better as you claim, then why do you need to use caution ? Unless you are simply trolling, apparently you do not understand the big difference between manual and power tools. A power tool will do more in much less time. Skillfully used, it does a much better job too. Misused, it can hurt stuff. As I already explained, you need to use caution because a brush wears on things. Rubbing/scratching is how a brush attempts to remove the thick filth which currently clings to your teeth. Softer bristles probably are a good idea, especially at first. Mine has very soft bristles, so I can use it for quite a while. Over the years, it has even removed plaque. My teeth have never been cleaner (I also floss regularly). But seriously. If you haven't tried one, and you can buy one easily, go for it. Your kids will be much better off for your good/experienced advice. I think we have to agree to disagree. The difference is your innexperienced opinion and hearsay goes against the multitude of experienced user comments on Usenet every reader can see. If you cannot afford one, that is too bad. But those who can afford one should try an electric toothbrush. Right now, here in the United States, electric toothbrushes are affordable especially considering the benefit of using one. Nic Path: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net!wnmaster11!wn13feed!worl dnet.att.net!216.196.106.140!border1.nntp.sjc.giga news.com!border2.nntp.sjc.giganews.com!nntp.gigane ws.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newsfeeder.syd.opt usnet.com.au!news.optusnet.com.au!not-for-mail From: "Nic" Newsgroups: misc.kids.health References: Subject: Have you tried an electric toothbrush? Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 23:14:58 +1000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Lines: 120 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 211.28.164.208 X-Trace: 1083676481 12033 211.28.164.208 Xref: wnmaster11 misc.kids.health:121947 X-Received-Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 13:14:42 GMT (bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net) |
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