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GM bonuses cut because of child support
I fully read the post and was making a general comment about it. I think
corporations should get involved and take action against people who cant support their children. Even those who were not behind will still get their money if they are current in support payments or no longer owe them. Big deal..get over it. "gini52" wrote in message ... "T.J." wrote in message ... GOOD FOR GM!!!!! They should take deadbeat's bonuses away from them if they arent current on their child support!!!! == Typically people read a post before responding. It's a good strategy. Otherwise, a responder can accidentally appear to be a moron. == ==. TJ "Dave" Dave@freedoms-door wrote in message ... It has not been easy always being a buy American car kind of guy. But this pushes it over the top for me. I will never own another GM product. "Angel" wrote in message ... I think that this is going way to far, Corporations should keep their noses to them selves. I mean what the hell are NCP supposed to do live in a freaking box. Regardless if the are paying on time or have arrears. I am glad that my husband doesn't work for GM. We don't have enough money now. Angel Published October 17, 2003 Child support cuts GM bonuses Many workers angry as they weren't past due By John Schneider Lansing State Journal Thousands of GM employees who pay child support in Michigan and other states found their $3,000 bonuses cut by $900 or withheld entirely this week. Ingham County Friend of the Court Donald Rei-sig called it a "unilateral and premature seizure" by General Motors Corp. But GM officials say federal law, and the time constraints of the labor contract employees recently ratified - which included the bonuses - forced them to err on the side of excess. About two-thirds of the money taken from 572 GM workers in Ingham County alone - with the blessing of the state Office of Child Support - came from people who are current in their payment or no longer under financial obligation at all. "This has to be illegal," said Allen McDaniel, a material handler at the Lansing Car Assembly plant, who completed his support obligations a year ago. His bonus check was $900 short: "How can you take money from somebody just because he might owe something?" McDaniel said GM officials assured him he would get his money eventually. Since Tuesday, when GM employees learned about the 50 percent shortages - about $900 in most cases - the Ingham Friend of the Court office has been swamped by calls from outraged clients. "People are as irate as hell," said Reisig. The bonuses - lump-sum wage increases established in the labor contract ratified Oct. 6 - started out at $3,000. Most employees took home about $1,800 after taxes. In the case of employees in Michigan with "active child or spousal support deductions," GM held half the $1,800, as specified by Michigan law. That varies from state to state. In Ohio, for example, GM withheld the entire amount. Federal law requires GM to help county and state officials enforce child-support orders through payroll deductions and diverting lump-sum payments to cover arrears. But in the cases of the bonuses distributed this week, GM (including Saturn), took 50 percent from all Michigan employees with active support deduction orders, regardless of whether they were behind in their payments. GM spokesman Tom Wickham acknowledged that it was an "unfortunate situation." But the terms of the new contract between GM and the United Auto Workers forced GM payroll officials to use a broad net, he said. Bonuses for child-support payers typically are handled like this: GM, anticipating the distribution of bonus checks, asks county or stat e officials to identify support payers behind in their obligations. GM uses that information to determine which bonuses get diverted. "Normally, we have 45 days to do this," Wickham said. "In this case, the contract was ratified Oct. 6, and we were contractually obligated to distribute the bonuses this week." Given that, Wickham said, GM officials decided to deduct 50 percent from the bonuses of all employees with support orders. As for why employees no longer under court orders got caught in the net, Wickham said, "We need to update our lists." GM will start releasing the money as it gets those updated lists, Wickham said. He declined to say when that will happen. Maureen Sorbet, spokeswoman for the state Family Independence Agency, said GM's action was proper. "We believe GM was honoring the language and intent of the agreement between the employer and the Office of Child Support," Sorbet said. Today that office will supply GM with a list of support payers who aren't behind in their payments, she said. "For anybody not in arrears, the money will be released," Sorbet said. "As for how quickly, you'll have to check with GM." On Thursday, in a blistering letter to GM, Reisig wrote: "Your payroll department withheld ... bonus payments, without regard to whether or not any support arrearage was owed." The letter continued: "Your action of prematurely seizing these funds and holding them, even for a relatively short period of time, does a disservice to your many employees, who both give to you their services, and who diligently pay their child support on behalf of their children." Of the 572 GM employees in Ing-ham County who received half their bonuses, 191 are behind in their support payments. "It sucks," said Doug Grace of Lansing, an Assembly plant worker who came up $900 short. "I go out of my way to make sure I don't fall behind." Contact John Schneider at 377-1175 or . |
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GM bonuses cut because of child support
Go away again, dipwad. We still don't want you here.
"T.J." wrote: GOOD FOR GM!!!!! They should take deadbeat's bonuses away from them if they arent current on their child support!!!! TJ "Dave" Dave@freedoms-door wrote in message ... It has not been easy always being a buy American car kind of guy. But this pushes it over the top for me. I will never own another GM product. "Angel" wrote in message ... I think that this is going way to far, Corporations should keep their noses to them selves. I mean what the hell are NCP supposed to do live in a freaking box. Regardless if the are paying on time or have arrears. I am glad that my husband doesn't work for GM. We don't have enough money now. Angel Published October 17, 2003 Child support cuts GM bonuses Many workers angry as they weren't past due By John Schneider Lansing State Journal Thousands of GM employees who pay child support in Michigan and other states found their $3,000 bonuses cut by $900 or withheld entirely this week. Ingham County Friend of the Court Donald Rei-sig called it a "unilateral and premature seizure" by General Motors Corp. But GM officials say federal law, and the time constraints of the labor contract employees recently ratified - which included the bonuses - forced them to err on the side of excess. About two-thirds of the money taken from 572 GM workers in Ingham County alone - with the blessing of the state Office of Child Support - came from people who are current in their payment or no longer under financial obligation at all. "This has to be illegal," said Allen McDaniel, a material handler at the Lansing Car Assembly plant, who completed his support obligations a year ago. His bonus check was $900 short: "How can you take money from somebody just because he might owe something?" McDaniel said GM officials assured him he would get his money eventually. Since Tuesday, when GM employees learned about the 50 percent shortages - about $900 in most cases - the Ingham Friend of the Court office has been swamped by calls from outraged clients. "People are as irate as hell," said Reisig. The bonuses - lump-sum wage increases established in the labor contract ratified Oct. 6 - started out at $3,000. Most employees took home about $1,800 after taxes. In the case of employees in Michigan with "active child or spousal support deductions," GM held half the $1,800, as specified by Michigan law. That varies from state to state. In Ohio, for example, GM withheld the entire amount. Federal law requires GM to help county and state officials enforce child-support orders through payroll deductions and diverting lump-sum payments to cover arrears. But in the cases of the bonuses distributed this week, GM (including Saturn), took 50 percent from all Michigan employees with active support deduction orders, regardless of whether they were behind in their payments. GM spokesman Tom Wickham acknowledged that it was an "unfortunate situation." But the terms of the new contract between GM and the United Auto Workers forced GM payroll officials to use a broad net, he said. Bonuses for child-support payers typically are handled like this: GM, anticipating the distribution of bonus checks, asks county or state officials to identify support payers behind in their obligations. GM uses that information to determine which bonuses get diverted. "Normally, we have 45 days to do this," Wickham said. "In this case, the contract was ratified Oct. 6, and we were contractually obligated to distribute the bonuses this week." Given that, Wickham said, GM officials decided to deduct 50 percent from the bonuses of all employees with support orders. As for why employees no longer under court orders got caught in the net, Wickham said, "We need to update our lists." GM will start releasing the money as it gets those updated lists, Wickham said. He declined to say when that will happen. Maureen Sorbet, spokeswoman for the state Family Independence Agency, said GM's action was proper. "We believe GM was honoring the language and intent of the agreement between the employer and the Office of Child Support," Sorbet said. Today that office will supply GM with a list of support payers who aren't behind in their payments, she said. "For anybody not in arrears, the money will be released," Sorbet said. "As for how quickly, you'll have to check with GM." On Thursday, in a blistering letter to GM, Reisig wrote: "Your payroll department withheld ... bonus payments, without regard to whether or not any support arrearage was owed." The letter continued: "Your action of prematurely seizing these funds and holding them, even for a relatively short period of time, does a disservice to your many employees, who both give to you their services, and who diligently pay their child support on behalf of their children." Of the 572 GM employees in Ing-ham County who received half their bonuses, 191 are behind in their support payments. "It sucks," said Doug Grace of Lansing, an Assembly plant worker who came up $900 short. "I go out of my way to make sure I don't fall behind." Contact John Schneider at 377-1175 or . |
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GM bonuses cut because of child support
Don't take "TJ" so seriously, Angel. He comes around here every few
months to make his comments and try to stir things up, then crawls away with his tail between his legs for a while again. He e-mails a few of the posters as part of the egging-on process. Let it go and he'll go away sooner... Mel Gamble Angel wrote: "T.J." wrote in message ... GOOD FOR GM!!!!! They should take deadbeat's bonuses away from them if they arent current on their child support!!!! TJ You know what TJ your a dick head.....I don't know what your opinion is on deadbeat, but some people are working and doing all that they can do to pay support and keep food on the table and pay bills for themselves. It is easy to get behind in childsupport. Don't you ever send me another email to my account. Obiviously you have no idea how it is to be down on your luck and have nothing. At least my husband is making an attempt, even as small as it is. He is trying! My uncle died owing his grown children that have children $70,000. And another person that I know owes his grow children more than $150,00. So don't even f**kin talk to me about deadbeat. Angel "Dave" Dave@freedoms-door wrote in message ... It has not been easy always being a buy American car kind of guy. But this pushes it over the top for me. I will never own another GM product. Me either and I love camaro's! "Angel" wrote in message ... I think that this is going way to far, Corporations should keep their noses to them selves. I mean what the hell are NCP supposed to do live in a freaking box. Regardless if the are paying on time or have arrears. I am glad that my husband doesn't work for GM. We don't have enough money now. Angel Published October 17, 2003 Child support cuts GM bonuses Many workers angry as they weren't past due By John Schneider Lansing State Journal Thousands of GM employees who pay child support in Michigan and other states found their $3,000 bonuses cut by $900 or withheld entirely this week. Ingham County Friend of the Court Donald Rei-sig called it a "unilateral and premature seizure" by General Motors Corp. But GM officials say federal law, and the time constraints of the labor contract employees recently ratified - which included the bonuses - forced them to err on the side of excess. About two-thirds of the money taken from 572 GM workers in Ingham County alone - with the blessing of the state Office of Child Support - came from people who are current in their payment or no longer under financial obligation at all. "This has to be illegal," said Allen McDaniel, a material handler at the Lansing Car Assembly plant, who completed his support obligations a year ago. His bonus check was $900 short: "How can you take money from somebody just because he might owe something?" McDaniel said GM officials assured him he would get his money eventually. Since Tuesday, when GM employees learned about the 50 percent shortages - about $900 in most cases - the Ingham Friend of the Court office has been swamped by calls from outraged clients. "People are as irate as hell," said Reisig. The bonuses - lump-sum wage increases established in the labor contract ratified Oct. 6 - started out at $3,000. Most employees took home about $1,800 after taxes. In the case of employees in Michigan with "active child or spousal support deductions," GM held half the $1,800, as specified by Michigan law. That varies from state to state. In Ohio, for example, GM withheld the entire amount. Federal law requires GM to help county and state officials enforce child-support orders through payroll deductions and diverting lump-sum payments to cover arrears. But in the cases of the bonuses distributed this week, GM (including Saturn), took 50 percent from all Michigan employees with active support deduction orders, regardless of whether they were behind in their payments. GM spokesman Tom Wickham acknowledged that it was an "unfortunate situation." But the terms of the new contract between GM and the United Auto Workers forced GM payroll officials to use a broad net, he said. Bonuses for child-support payers typically are handled like this: GM, anticipating the distribution of bonus checks, asks county or state officials to identify support payers behind in their obligations. GM uses that information to determine which bonuses get diverted. "Normally, we have 45 days to do this," Wickham said. "In this case, the contract was ratified Oct. 6, and we were contractually obligated to distribute the bonuses this week." Given that, Wickham said, GM officials decided to deduct 50 percent from the bonuses of all employees with support orders. As for why employees no longer under court orders got caught in the net, Wickham said, "We need to update our lists." GM will start releasing the money as it gets those updated lists, Wickham said. He declined to say when that will happen. Maureen Sorbet, spokeswoman for the state Family Independence Agency, said GM's action was proper. "We believe GM was honoring the language and intent of the agreement between the employer and the Office of Child Support," Sorbet said. Today that office will supply GM with a list of support payers who aren't behind in their payments, she said. "For anybody not in arrears, the money will be released," Sorbet said. "As for how quickly, you'll have to check with GM." On Thursday, in a blistering letter to GM, Reisig wrote: "Your payroll department withheld ... bonus payments, without regard to whether or not any support arrearage was owed." The letter continued: "Your action of prematurely seizing these funds and holding them, even for a relatively short period of time, does a disservice to your many employees, who both give to you their services, and who diligently pay their child support on behalf of their children." Of the 572 GM employees in Ing-ham County who received half their bonuses, 191 are behind in their support payments. "It sucks," said Doug Grace of Lansing, an Assembly plant worker who came up $900 short. "I go out of my way to make sure I don't fall behind." Contact John Schneider at 377-1175 or . |
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GM bonuses cut because of child support
Melvin,
Ive never been here before in my life. Furthermore im not a "him" im a "her". I think you have the wrong person dumbass. "Melvin Gamble" wrote in message ... Don't take "TJ" so seriously, Angel. He comes around here every few months to make his comments and try to stir things up, then crawls away with his tail between his legs for a while again. He e-mails a few of the posters as part of the egging-on process. Let it go and he'll go away sooner... Mel Gamble |
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GM bonuses cut because of child support
Never been here before dipwad. Never met you before dipwad. Grow up..
"Melvin Gamble" wrote in message ... Go away again, dipwad. We still don't want you here. "T.J." wrote: GOOD FOR GM!!!!! They should take deadbeat's bonuses away from them if they arent current on their child support!!!! TJ "Dave" Dave@freedoms-door wrote in message ... It has not been easy always being a buy American car kind of guy. But this pushes it over the top for me. I will never own another GM product. "Angel" wrote in message ... I think that this is going way to far, Corporations should keep their noses to them selves. I mean what the hell are NCP supposed to do live in a freaking box. Regardless if the are paying on time or have arrears. I am glad that my husband doesn't work for GM. We don't have enough money now. Angel Published October 17, 2003 Child support cuts GM bonuses Many workers angry as they weren't past due By John Schneider Lansing State Journal Thousands of GM employees who pay child support in Michigan and other states found their $3,000 bonuses cut by $900 or withheld entirely this week. Ingham County Friend of the Court Donald Rei-sig called it a "unilateral and premature seizure" by General Motors Corp. But GM officials say federal law, and the time constraints of the labor contract employees recently ratified - which included the bonuses - forced them to err on the side of excess. About two-thirds of the money taken from 572 GM workers in Ingham County alone - with the blessing of the state Office of Child Support - came from people who are current in their payment or no longer under financial obligation at all. "This has to be illegal," said Allen McDaniel, a material handler at the Lansing Car Assembly plant, who completed his support obligations a year ago. His bonus check was $900 short: "How can you take money from somebody just because he might owe something?" McDaniel said GM officials assured him he would get his money eventually. Since Tuesday, when GM employees learned about the 50 percent shortages - about $900 in most cases - the Ingham Friend of the Court office has been swamped by calls from outraged clients. "People are as irate as hell," said Reisig. The bonuses - lump-sum wage increases established in the labor contract ratified Oct. 6 - started out at $3,000. Most employees took home about $1,800 after taxes. In the case of employees in Michigan with "active child or spousal support deductions," GM held half the $1,800, as specified by Michigan law. That varies from state to state. In Ohio, for example, GM withheld the entire amount. Federal law requires GM to help county and state officials enforce child-support orders through payroll deductions and diverting lump-sum payments to cover arrears. But in the cases of the bonuses distributed this week, GM (including Saturn), took 50 percent from all Michigan employees with active support deduction orders, regardless of whether they were behind in their payments. GM spokesman Tom Wickham acknowledged that it was an "unfortunate situation." But the terms of the new contract between GM and the United Auto Workers forced GM payroll officials to use a broad net, he said. Bonuses for child-support payers typically are handled like this: GM, anticipating the distribution of bonus checks, asks county or state officials to identify support payers behind in their obligations. GM uses that information to determine which bonuses get diverted. "Normally, we have 45 days to do this," Wickham said. "In this case, the contract was ratified Oct. 6, and we were contractually obligated to distribute the bonuses this week." Given that, Wickham said, GM officials decided to deduct 50 percent from the bonuses of all employees with support orders. As for why employees no longer under court orders got caught in the net, Wickham said, "We need to update our lists." GM will start releasing the money as it gets those updated lists, Wickham said. He declined to say when that will happen. Maureen Sorbet, spokeswoman for the state Family Independence Agency, said GM's action was proper. "We believe GM was honoring the language and intent of the agreement between the employer and the Office of Child Support," Sorbet said. Today that office will supply GM with a list of support payers who aren't behind in their payments, she said. "For anybody not in arrears, the money will be released," Sorbet said. "As for how quickly, you'll have to check with GM." On Thursday, in a blistering letter to GM, Reisig wrote: "Your payroll department withheld ... bonus payments, without regard to whether or not any support arrearage was owed." The letter continued: "Your action of prematurely seizing these funds and holding them, even for a relatively short period of time, does a disservice to your many employees, who both give to you their services, and who diligently pay their child support on behalf of their children." Of the 572 GM employees in Ing-ham County who received half their bonuses, 191 are behind in their support payments. "It sucks," said Doug Grace of Lansing, an Assembly plant worker who came up $900 short. "I go out of my way to make sure I don't fall behind." Contact John Schneider at 377-1175 or . |
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If your experience were the sum total of the child support system, TJ, then
you would be correct. However, there are many experiences beyond yours. Many men who have been forced out of their children's lives and become nothing but walking wallets. You need to talk to people on the other side of the issue before you make judgements! On the other side of the coin, it is sad but true that some men walk away from their children and don't look back. Perhaps those are the ones who could rightfully be labeled "deadbeats." But the men struggling to keep up with ruinous lifestyle support and falling behind through no fault of their own do not deserve to be treated as criminals. Nor should those who are up to date or even through paying CS have their bonuses garnished "just in case." "T.J." wrote in message ... Dave you are so full of ****!!! You know in alot of cases the father doesnt want to be present. They are to wrapped up in their own egos and concerns about their money to even have any concern about their own children. Child support in my household goes to help pay for my childrens needs. As a matter of fact I have a seperate account that all the child support goes into so the money is used soley for my children. Paying support has everything to do with supporting children, children dont raise themselves and pay for their own expenses. The only people who erradicate men from their childrens lives are the ones who arent present. Stop blaming everyone else for the fact men cant grow up and be responsible. "Dave" Dave@freedoms-door wrote in message ... Perhaps you should read the recent statement from Lowell at ANCPR for a little enlightment: "Paying child support has nothing to do with supporting your children. Child support is a policy that is fundamentally flawed, since it is based on the assumption that you can replace a parent with money. Child support, then, is not for children. It is for the custodial parent. It is a reward paid to the custodial parent for being successful in cutting you, the ncp, out of your child's life. Child support is a social policy that was specifically designed to enable single parent households. This has primarily, in well over 90% of contested cases, meant single mother households (as the program was designed explicitly to do). Therefore, when ever you hear the term single mother, you are actually hearing, "fatherless child". If you are paying child support, you are supporting this system. You are saying, with your money, "Yes, this makes sense to me." The only changes I would make to the above is wherever you see child support, replace it with "lifestyle child support" and that there is no accountability or requirement that it is used for the children. "T.J." wrote in message ... GOOD FOR GM!!!!! They should take deadbeat's bonuses away from them if they arent current on their child support!!!! TJ "Dave" Dave@freedoms-door wrote in message ... It has not been easy always being a buy American car kind of guy. But this pushes it over the top for me. I will never own another GM product. "Angel" wrote in message ... I think that this is going way to far, Corporations should keep their noses to them selves. I mean what the hell are NCP supposed to do live in a freaking box. Regardless if the are paying on time or have arrears. I am glad that my husband doesn't work for GM. We don't have enough money now. Angel Published October 17, 2003 Child support cuts GM bonuses Many workers angry as they weren't past due By John Schneider Lansing State Journal Thousands of GM employees who pay child support in Michigan and other states found their $3,000 bonuses cut by $900 or withheld entirely this week. Ingham County Friend of the Court Donald Rei-sig called it a "unilateral and premature seizure" by General Motors Corp. But GM officials say federal law, and the time constraints of the labor contract employees recently ratified - which included the bonuses - forced them to err on the side of excess. About two-thirds of the money taken from 572 GM workers in Ingham County alone - with the blessing of the state Office of Child Support - came from people who are current in their payment or no longer under financial obligation at all. "This has to be illegal," said Allen McDaniel, a material handler at the Lansing Car Assembly plant, who completed his support obligations a year ago. His bonus check was $900 short: "How can you take money from somebody just because he might owe something?" McDaniel said GM officials assured him he would get his money eventually. Since Tuesday, when GM employees learned about the 50 percent shortages - about $900 in most cases - the Ingham Friend of the Court office has been swamped by calls from outraged clients. "People are as irate as hell," said Reisig. The bonuses - lump-sum wage increases established in the labor contract ratified Oct. 6 - started out at $3,000. Most employees took home about $1,800 after taxes. In the case of employees in Michigan with "active child or spousal support deductions," GM held half the $1,800, as specified by Michigan law. That varies from state to state. In Ohio, for example, GM withheld the entire amount. Federal law requires GM to help county and state officials enforce child-support orders through payroll deductions and diverting lump-sum payments to cover arrears. But in the cases of the bonuses distributed this week, GM (including Saturn), took 50 percent from all Michigan employees with active support deduction orders, regardless of whether they were behind in their payments. GM spokesman Tom Wickham acknowledged that it was an "unfortunate situation." But the terms of the new contract between GM and the United Auto Workers forced GM payroll officials to use a broad net, he said. Bonuses for child-support payers typically are handled like this: GM, anticipating the distribution of bonus checks, asks county or state officials to identify support payers behind in their obligations. GM uses that information to determine which bonuses get diverted. "Normally, we have 45 days to do this," Wickham said. "In this case, the contract was ratified Oct. 6, and we were contractually obligated to distribute the bonuses this week." Given that, Wickham said, GM officials decided to deduct 50 percent from the bonuses of all employees with support orders. As for why employees no longer under court orders got caught in the net, Wickham said, "We need to update our lists." GM will start releasing the money as it gets those updated lists, Wickham said. He declined to say when that will happen. Maureen Sorbet, spokeswoman for the state Family Independence Agency, said GM's action was proper. "We believe GM was honoring the language and intent of the agreement between the employer and the Office of Child Support," Sorbet said. Today that office will supply GM with a list of support payers who aren't behind in their payments, she said. "For anybody not in arrears, the money will be released," Sorbet said. "As for how quickly, you'll have to check with GM." On Thursday, in a blistering letter to GM, Reisig wrote: "Your payroll department withheld ... bonus payments, without regard to whether or not any support arrearage was owed." The letter continued: "Your action of prematurely seizing these funds and holding them, even for a relatively short period of time, does a disservice to your many employees, who both give to you their services, and who diligently pay their child support on behalf of their children." Of the 572 GM employees in Ing-ham County who received half their bonuses, 191 are behind in their support payments. "It sucks," said Doug Grace of Lansing, an Assembly plant worker who came up $900 short. "I go out of my way to make sure I don't fall behind." Contact John Schneider at 377-1175 or . |
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What would you say about a man earning $48,000 per year who pays $650 per
month for one child, faithfully. He loses his job due to layoff, and can't find another in his field. So he takes a job for $30,000 and petitions for a modification in support. The judge says "No. Get a job at your previous rate." Even with a second job, he can only get up to $40,000. He falls behind in his support because he just can't keep bills paid on this new salary. Is he an asswipe? A deadbeat? Now, add to it that mom doesn't work. She lives with hubby #2, who supports her on his $60,000 per year job. She's not hurting because he isn't sending his usual amount. But she fights modification anyway. Who would you scold if you could talk to both of them? And why? "T.J." wrote in message ... Im not a dickhead. If I buy a car and get behind on my payments it gets taken away. How about my house, I get behind on my payments then no more house for me. As teh custodial parent if I dont pay for food my children starve, I dont get a break from anything and cant fall behind on paying bills or my children suffer. Grow up and be responsible.. I do know what its like to be down on my luck thank you very much. But i still supported my children ALONE with no help from anyone else and certaintly not from their deadbeat asswipe. They were MY FIRST priority. If I go without food in order for my children to have it then Ill do that. Dont feed me this crap about someone being down on their luck and not able to pay support for their children. Its calle d they are too selfish. If your husband cant support his children he sure the hell shouldnt support your dead ass. "Angel" wrote in message ... "T.J." wrote in message ... GOOD FOR GM!!!!! They should take deadbeat's bonuses away from them if they arent current on their child support!!!! TJ You know what TJ your a dick head.....I don't know what your opinion is on deadbeat, but some people are working and doing all that they can do to pay support and keep food on the table and pay bills for themselves. It is easy to get behind in childsupport. Don't you ever send me another email to my account. Obiviously you have no idea how it is to be down on your luck and have nothing. At least my husband is making an attempt, even as small as it is. He is trying! My uncle died owing his grown children that have children $70,000. And another person that I know owes his grow children more than $150,00. So don't even f**kin talk to me about deadbeat. Angel "Dave" Dave@freedoms-door wrote in message ... It has not been easy always being a buy American car kind of guy. But this pushes it over the top for me. I will never own another GM product. Me either and I love camaro's! "Angel" wrote in message ... I think that this is going way to far, Corporations should keep their noses to them selves. I mean what the hell are NCP supposed to do live in a freaking box. Regardless if the are paying on time or have arrears. I am glad that my husband doesn't work for GM. We don't have enough money now. Angel Published October 17, 2003 Child support cuts GM bonuses Many workers angry as they weren't past due By John Schneider Lansing State Journal Thousands of GM employees who pay child support in Michigan and other states found their $3,000 bonuses cut by $900 or withheld entirely this week. Ingham County Friend of the Court Donald Rei-sig called it a "unilateral and premature seizure" by General Motors Corp. But GM officials say federal law, and the time constraints of the labor contract employees recently ratified - which included the bonuses - forced them to err on the side of excess. About two-thirds of the money taken from 572 GM workers in Ingham County alone - with the blessing of the state Office of Child Support - came from people who are current in their payment or no longer under financial obligation at all. "This has to be illegal," said Allen McDaniel, a material handler at the Lansing Car Assembly plant, who completed his support obligations a year ago. His bonus check was $900 short: "How can you take money from somebody just because he might owe something?" McDaniel said GM officials assured him he would get his money eventually. Since Tuesday, when GM employees learned about the 50 percent shortages - about $900 in most cases - the Ingham Friend of the Court office has been swamped by calls from outraged clients. "People are as irate as hell," said Reisig. The bonuses - lump-sum wage increases established in the labor contract ratified Oct. 6 - started out at $3,000. Most employees took home about $1,800 after taxes. In the case of employees in Michigan with "active child or spousal support deductions," GM held half the $1,800, as specified by Michigan law. That varies from state to state. In Ohio, for example, GM withheld the entire amount. Federal law requires GM to help county and state officials enforce child-support orders through payroll deductions and diverting lump-sum payments to cover arrears. But in the cases of the bonuses distributed this week, GM (including Saturn), took 50 percent from all Michigan employees with active support deduction orders, regardless of whether they were behind in their payments. GM spokesman Tom Wickham acknowledged that it was an "unfortunate situation." But the terms of the new contract between GM and the United Auto Workers forced GM payroll officials to use a broad net, he said. Bonuses for child-support payers typically are handled like this: GM, anticipating the distribution of bonus checks, asks county or state officials to identify support payers behind in their obligations. GM uses that information to determine which bonuses get diverted. "Normally, we have 45 days to do this," Wickham said. "In this case, the contract was ratified Oct. 6, and we were contractually obligated to distribute the bonuses this week." Given that, Wickham said, GM officials decided to deduct 50 percent from the bonuses of all employees with support orders. As for why employees no longer under court orders got caught in the net, Wickham said, "We need to update our lists." GM will start releasing the money as it gets those updated lists, Wickham said. He declined to say when that will happen. Maureen Sorbet, spokeswoman for the state Family Independence Agency, said GM's action was proper. "We believe GM was honoring the language and intent of the agreement between the employer and the Office of Child Support," Sorbet said. Today that office will supply GM with a list of support payers who aren't behind in their payments, she said. "For anybody not in arrears, the money will be released," Sorbet said. "As for how quickly, you'll have to check with GM." On Thursday, in a blistering letter to GM, Reisig wrote: "Your payroll department withheld ... bonus payments, without regard to whether or not any support arrearage was owed." The letter continued: "Your action of prematurely seizing these funds and holding them, even for a relatively short period of time, does a disservice to your many employees, who both give to you their services, and who diligently pay their child support on behalf of their children." Of the 572 GM employees in Ing-ham County who received half their bonuses, 191 are behind in their support payments. "It sucks," said Doug Grace of Lansing, an Assembly plant worker who came up $900 short. "I go out of my way to make sure I don't fall behind." Contact John Schneider at 377-1175 or . |
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"T.J." wrote in message ... Melvin, Ive never been here before in my life. Furthermore im not a "him" im a "her". I think you have the wrong person dumbass. Well, Mel was right about one thing - you send people personal emails in attempts to intimidate them off-line. Thanks for sending me the private email to explain you have a dick. It's comforting to know a poster like you has a dick. Like I was really worried about your sexuality! Now how about explaining for all of us why you refer to your child's mother as "asswipe." |
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"teachrmama" wrote in message ... What would you say about a man earning $48,000 per year who pays $650 per month for one child, faithfully. He loses his job due to layoff, and can't find another in his field. So he takes a job for $30,000 and petitions for a modification in support. The judge says "No. Get a job at your previous rate." ** Not if he was laid off and couldnt find anything else, no I dont. However, im sure that many of these judges get sick and tired of all the men who come in and claim the have a lower paying job as an excuse for lowering their support. In my state they use an average of the last three years of earnings to determine the amount. Not what the highest paying job is.** Even with a second job, he can only get up to $40,000. He falls behind in his support because he just can't keep bills paid on this new salary. **How can someone who makes $40,000 not be able to make ONE payment of 650.00 for one child??? Dont get defensive im just asking. ** Is he an asswipe? A deadbeat? Now, add to it that mom doesn't work. She lives with hubby #2, who supports her on his $60,000 per year job. She's not hurting because he isn't sending his usual amount. But she fights modification anyway. Who would you scold if you could talk to both of them? And why? **Her new hubbies income doesnt make any difference.** |
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"teachrmama" wrote in message ... If your experience were the sum total of the child support system, TJ, then you would be correct. However, there are many experiences beyond yours. Many men who have been forced out of their children's lives and become nothing but walking wallets. You need to talk to people on the other side of the issue before you make judgements! **Same to you ... you need to talk to people on the other side of the issue before you make judgements or anyone else here does. On the other side of the coin, it is sad but true that some men walk away from their children and don't look back. Perhaps those are the ones who could rightfully be labeled "deadbeats." But the men struggling to keep up with ruinous lifestyle support and falling behind through no fault of their own do not deserve to be treated as criminals. Nor should those who are up to date or even through paying CS have their bonuses garnished "just in case." **So what was GM supposed to do? Just give everyone their bonuses and face federal charges for not complying? "T.J." wrote in message ... Dave you are so full of ****!!! You know in alot of cases the father doesnt want to be present. They are to wrapped up in their own egos and concerns about their money to even have any concern about their own children. Child support in my household goes to help pay for my childrens needs. As a matter of fact I have a seperate account that all the child support goes into so the money is used soley for my children. Paying support has everything to do with supporting children, children dont raise themselves and pay for their own expenses. The only people who erradicate men from their childrens lives are the ones who arent present. Stop blaming everyone else for the fact men cant grow up and be responsible. "Dave" Dave@freedoms-door wrote in message ... Perhaps you should read the recent statement from Lowell at ANCPR for a little enlightment: "Paying child support has nothing to do with supporting your children. Child support is a policy that is fundamentally flawed, since it is based on the assumption that you can replace a parent with money. Child support, then, is not for children. It is for the custodial parent. It is a reward paid to the custodial parent for being successful in cutting you, the ncp, out of your child's life. Child support is a social policy that was specifically designed to enable single parent households. This has primarily, in well over 90% of contested cases, meant single mother households (as the program was designed explicitly to do). Therefore, when ever you hear the term single mother, you are actually hearing, "fatherless child". If you are paying child support, you are supporting this system. You are saying, with your money, "Yes, this makes sense to me." The only changes I would make to the above is wherever you see child support, replace it with "lifestyle child support" and that there is no accountability or requirement that it is used for the children. "T.J." wrote in message ... GOOD FOR GM!!!!! They should take deadbeat's bonuses away from them if they arent current on their child support!!!! TJ "Dave" Dave@freedoms-door wrote in message ... It has not been easy always being a buy American car kind of guy. But this pushes it over the top for me. I will never own another GM product. "Angel" wrote in message ... I think that this is going way to far, Corporations should keep their noses to them selves. I mean what the hell are NCP supposed to do live in a freaking box. Regardless if the are paying on time or have arrears. I am glad that my husband doesn't work for GM. We don't have enough money now. Angel Published October 17, 2003 Child support cuts GM bonuses Many workers angry as they weren't past due By John Schneider Lansing State Journal Thousands of GM employees who pay child support in Michigan and other states found their $3,000 bonuses cut by $900 or withheld entirely this week. Ingham County Friend of the Court Donald Rei-sig called it a "unilateral and premature seizure" by General Motors Corp. But GM officials say federal law, and the time constraints of the labor contract employees recently ratified - which included the bonuses - forced them to err on the side of excess. About two-thirds of the money taken from 572 GM workers in Ingham County alone - with the blessing of the state Office of Child Support - came from people who are current in their payment or no longer under financial obligation at all. "This has to be illegal," said Allen McDaniel, a material handler at the Lansing Car Assembly plant, who completed his support obligations a year ago. His bonus check was $900 short: "How can you take money from somebody just because he might owe something?" McDaniel said GM officials assured him he would get his money eventually. Since Tuesday, when GM employees learned about the 50 percent shortages - about $900 in most cases - the Ingham Friend of the Court office has been swamped by calls from outraged clients. "People are as irate as hell," said Reisig. The bonuses - lump-sum wage increases established in the labor contract ratified Oct. 6 - started out at $3,000. Most employees took home about $1,800 after taxes. In the case of employees in Michigan with "active child or spousal support deductions," GM held half the $1,800, as specified by Michigan law. That varies from state to state. In Ohio, for example, GM withheld the entire amount. Federal law requires GM to help county and state officials enforce child-support orders through payroll deductions and diverting lump-sum payments to cover arrears. But in the cases of the bonuses distributed this week, GM (including Saturn), took 50 percent from all Michigan employees with active support deduction orders, regardless of whether they were behind in their payments. GM spokesman Tom Wickham acknowledged that it was an "unfortunate situation." But the terms of the new contract between GM and the United Auto Workers forced GM payroll officials to use a broad net, he said. Bonuses for child-support payers typically are handled like this: GM, anticipating the distribution of bonus checks, asks county or state officials to identify support payers behind in their obligations. GM uses that information to determine which bonuses get diverted. "Normally, we have 45 days to do this," Wickham said. "In this case, the contract was ratified Oct. 6, and we were contractually obligated to distribute the bonuses this week." Given that, Wickham said, GM officials decided to deduct 50 percent from the bonuses of all employees with support orders. As for why employees no longer under court orders got caught in the net, Wickham said, "We need to update our lists." GM will start releasing the money as it gets those updated lists, Wickham said. He declined to say when that will happen. Maureen Sorbet, spokeswoman for the state Family Independence Agency, said GM's action was proper. "We believe GM was honoring the language and intent of the agreement between the employer and the Office of Child Support," Sorbet said. Today that office will supply GM with a list of support payers who aren't behind in their payments, she said. "For anybody not in arrears, the money will be released," Sorbet said. "As for how quickly, you'll have to check with GM." On Thursday, in a blistering letter to GM, Reisig wrote: "Your payroll department withheld ... bonus payments, without regard to whether or not any support arrearage was owed." The letter continued: "Your action of prematurely seizing these funds and holding them, even for a relatively short period of time, does a disservice to your many employees, who both give to you their services, and who diligently pay their child support on behalf of their children." Of the 572 GM employees in Ing-ham County who received half their bonuses, 191 are behind in their support payments. "It sucks," said Doug Grace of Lansing, an Assembly plant worker who came up $900 short. "I go out of my way to make sure I don't fall behind." Contact John Schneider at 377-1175 or . |
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