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Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics
"carole" wrote in news:wJ5Ao.1243$MF5.805
@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com: "Steelclaws" wrote in message 4.39... "carole" wrote in nd.com: Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/#Scurvy You might just as well cite WorldNutDaily - both are equally reliable sources. That is to say, they're not one bit reliable. As for the real effect of vaccines, try this one: http://www.uvm.edu/~bwilcke/ehreth.pdf It's an article on the global value of vaccination, and it is easy to understand. Not much complex terminology in it. crap deleted Not able to deal with the actual issues, eh? Try reading that article I posted and talk about it. I do understand why Jan uses that technique when she cannot respond to something - maybe you're doing the same? -- We certainly shouldn't abandon the field to the quacks by not turning up to play. - Peter Moran |
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Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics
"Steelclaws" wrote in message 4.39... "carole" wrote in news:xI5Ao.1246$gM3.795 @viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com: "Steelclaws" wrote in message 4.39... "carole" wrote in nd.com: Yeah, the graphs show that after immunization was introduced, the rates of illness and death went down. Apparently death rates were going down before vaccinations were reduced. Red herring. Death rates went down before vaccination because of better medical care of patients. What you need to look at is incidence rates, and those did not go down before the vaccines were introduced. -- Crap deleted How about dealing with the actual point instead of sounding like Jan? Why don't you stop sounding like bob and Jeff? -- Carole www.conspiracee.com Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool" http://groups.google.com.au/group/mi...ss+epidemic%22 |
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Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics
On 11/2/10 11:54 PM, Steelclaws wrote:
wrote in nd.com: Yeah, the graphs show that after immunization was introduced, the rates of illness and death went down. Apparently death rates were going down before vaccinations were reduced. Red herring. Death rates went down before vaccination because of better medical care of patients. What you need to look at is incidence rates, and those did not go down before the vaccines were introduced. And, the death rates did not go down to zero with good medical care. About 1 in 2000 kids who get measles in well-developed countries still die. My favorite graph was the one where they showed deaths from scarlet fever going down. That was because of antibiotics! |
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Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics
On 11/2/10 11:39 PM, carole wrote:
wrote in message ... On 11/2/10 7:38 PM, carole wrote: wrote in message ... Please explain how the measles death rate went from about 2000 per day in 2000 to 450 per day in 2008. There are just as many poor people now as then. The answer: vaccinations. And kids still die from chicken pox, measles, rubella and other vaccine preventable diseases in rich countries if the population is not vaccinated - in other words, good nutrition lowers the death rate, but even with good nutrition, people still die. The only way to lower deaths and illness to zero from vaccine preventable illnesses is to vaccinate. Jeff Did you read the article or even look at it? http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.c...as_Mort_UK_USA Say thankyou carole. Yeah, the graphs show that after immunization was introduced, the rates of illness and death went down. Apparently death rates were going down before vaccinations were reduced. http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/ "You make several other errors. You say "You never show us the data from before the vaccine was introduced". Go back and look again. Other than for smallpox, the data goes back decades before the vaccines and shows the far more dramatic falls in mortality rates without vaccines. Do you think the natural falls in mortality simply stopped just because a vaccine was introduced? Of course not." Further - "Not one paediatric vaccine has been tested in double blinded controlled randomised trials. The controlled trials which are carried out use another vaccine as "placebo" of similarly untested safety [and this invalidates the trials]. The vaccines are also tested only on healthy individuals but then given to all regardless of risk." However, the site is a good example of misuse of graphs. The graphs are poorly legible. It is a good example of misinformation. Oh diddums ...can't handle the truth Dr Jeff, goes into denial mode. ROTFL! You crack me up: "Oh diddums." Jeff Jeff |
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Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics
"carole" wrote in news:ds7Ao.1251$MF5.388
@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com: "Steelclaws" wrote in message 4.39... "carole" wrote in news:xI5Ao.1246$gM3.795 @viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com: "Steelclaws" wrote in message 4.39... "carole" wrote in nd.com: Yeah, the graphs show that after immunization was introduced, the rates of illness and death went down. Apparently death rates were going down before vaccinations were reduced. Red herring. Death rates went down before vaccination because of better medical care of patients. What you need to look at is incidence rates, and those did not go down before the vaccines were introduced. -- Crap deleted How about dealing with the actual point instead of sounding like Jan? Why don't you stop sounding like bob and Jeff? Stop trying to sidetrack and deal with the real point instead: Red herring. Death rates went down before vaccination because of better medical care of patients. What you need to look at is incidence rates, and those did not go down before the vaccines were introduced. -- The subject of homeopathy is so far removed from medicine that works, from reason and rationality, that we must stand in awe of the fact that a billion-dollar industry still thrives by peddling something that a good friend of mine defined as, 'An infinitely thin slice of nothing, with the crust trimmed off and the center removed.' -James Randi |
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Vaccines Did Not Save Us! - 2 Centuries of Official Statistics
dr_jeff wrote in
: Apparently death rates were going down before vaccinations were reduced. Red herring. Death rates went down before vaccination because of better medical care of patients. What you need to look at is incidence rates, and those did not go down before the vaccines were introduced. And, the death rates did not go down to zero with good medical care. About 1 in 2000 kids who get measles in well-developed countries still die. And in the light of that anti-vaxxer stance makes no sense whatsoever - unless they really care more about their agenda than they care about kids. My favorite graph was the one where they showed deaths from scarlet fever going down. That was because of antibiotics! I've seen goofs like that before. Either the alternuts are so incompetent that they don't understand what the graphs/articles they cite really show, or they hope that their audience is too stupid or lazy to look them up. -- The best means of combating the spread of pseudo-science is an enlightened public, able to distinguish the work of a reputable investigator from the work of the incompetent and self-deluded. - Martin Gardner |
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