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I thought of JG today as I sat at McDonald's with my daughter and
watched a family nearby. There were three young children with their grandmother (probably about 160 lbs.) and mother (at least 300 lbs., conservative estimate -- her butt was twice as wide as her chair, she had a suprapubic fat mass that bifurcates as it hangs down in front of her crotch, and she walked with the waddle typical of people who can't adduct their thighs fully due to their girth). The youngest boy was clearly full. He was sitting and staring at his small pile of remaining French fries. As the older sister was off at the front counter, the grandmother told the boy, "Finish your French fries if you want ice cream." The girl returned with a handful of ice cream cones for everyone and repeated their "rule" to him. The boy slowly stuffed the remaining fries in his mouth and then over the next 20 minutes or so managed to eat his entire ice cream cone too. What wonderful dietary advice from grandma! Teach the boy not only to ignore is innate sense of satiety, but to override it in order to consume more carbohydrates deep fried in fat (oh, excuse me... McDonald's is at least frying them in vegetable oil instead of beef tallow now) so that he may receive, as a "reward" for overeating, MORE food -- a sugary, fatty treat! The grandmother seemed quite confident in her ability to dispense advice on eating habits. She probably thinks of French fries as a "vegetable," no doubt, so she's helping him be healthy, right? It was amazing that watching this small interaction made it immediately apparent why the mother was so enormous. PF |
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PF Riley wrote:
It was amazing that watching this small interaction made it immediately apparent why the mother was so enormous. In another newsgroup I was participating in a thread about how awful it is that parents let their kids get obese. I mentioned how I didn't allow my children to eat Frosted Flakes at a family reunion week. I fed them reasonable portions of low-glycemic foods (that would not cause a sugar crash at 10 am while out doing activities.) I was treated like some sort of twig-eating nature freak for serving them oatmeal and putting peanut butter (instead of jam) on their english muffins and not allowing donuts. My in-laws were actually ****ed at me for being so mean to my kids. Of course, these are the same in-laws that bought all the sugary cereals and pastries. I brought the oatmeal and peanut butter myself. The weird thing is, other posters in the thread jumped on me for causing my kids potential complexes because they were denied sugary cereals. In their mind, it was BAD PARENTING to dictate menus to them. (Mind you, at this same family reunion the kids had soda and cake every day - I just limited how much sugar they got to something less than infinite amounts.) I think it is interesting that people with slim, active kids are suspected of abusing the children to get them that way. On a possibly related note, have you observed the new fashion of wearing very low-cut pants and having your belly fat hang out over them with cropped shirts? I've seen this look a half-dozen times now amongst teenagers - it's so gross that you can't manage NOT to look. I think it is some sort of backlash against health-freaks who think belly fat isn't attractive. (Probably the same squares who think smoking is bad.) So, there you go. Being slim is a sign of pathology. Wendy |
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"Wendy Marsden" wrote in
I mentioned how I didn't allow my children to eat Frosted Flakes at a family reunion week. ... What do you think of parents who give candy directly to other kids? It seems like about once a week or so that my kids goto a birthday party or some other event, and come home with a bag of candy. The only time anyone asks my opinion is when my 3-year-old comes to me with a Snickers bar or a Tootsie Roll and asks me if it has peanuts in it. (She has an allergy.) I am not particularly strict about it, but she'd be eating chocolate candy every day if I let her eat all the candy she gets from other parents. What are these parents thinking? Do they feed their own kids this much candy? Am I rude if I refuse the candy? |
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 02:40:10 GMT, "Roger Schlafly"
wrote: It seems like about once a week or so that my kids goto a birthday party or some other event, and come home with a bag of candy. The only time anyone asks my opinion is when my 3-year-old comes to me with a Snickers bar or a Tootsie Roll and asks me if it has peanuts in it. (She has an allergy.) Ignoring all the other issues you raise, I'd like to know if you really do send your three-year-old child with peanut allergy to events where she is given food without your supervision and expect her to maintain surveillance herself for peanuts, given that peanut allergy is the leading cause of food allergy deaths in the U.S. and is usually lifelong. You have already unabashedly revealed your general lack of any sense and your childishly self-destructive oppositional attitude (i.e., "Because I was told to do it, I won't.") when it comes to supine sleeping for infants, bicycle helmets, firearm safety, and seatbelts, yet you continue to amaze me. It seems that my opinion of you and your mental abilities becomes lower and lower every time I read one of your posts. This scenario reminds me of the two-year-old child with extensive second-degree burns on his hand whose mother told me that, as she cooked with him watching while standing on a chair next to the stove, she had told him not to touch the burners. I can only imagine Schlafly's three-year-old daughter in the ER getting fluid boluses and subcutaneous epinephrine as her blood pressure drops, with Roger standing off to the side saying, "I TOLD her to read the label on the cereal box!" Ah, I guess this all fits with the theme of this thread. (Hint: the "Subject" is full sarcasm.) PF |
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"PF Riley" wrote in message
... I thought of JG today as I sat at McDonald's with my daughter and watched a family nearby. Gee, thanks! It's nice to be thought of... g There were three young children with their grandmother (probably about 160 lbs.) and mother (at least 300 lbs., conservative estimate -- her butt was twice as wide as her chair, she had a suprapubic fat mass that bifurcates as it hangs down in front of her crotch, and she walked with the waddle typical of people who can't adduct their thighs fully due to their girth). And you didn't lose your appetite? The youngest boy was clearly full. He was sitting and staring at his small pile of remaining French fries. As the older sister was off at the front counter, the grandmother told the boy, "Finish your French fries if you want ice cream." The girl returned with a handful of ice cream cones for everyone and repeated their "rule" to him. The boy slowly stuffed the remaining fries in his mouth and then over the next 20 minutes or so managed to eat his entire ice cream cone too. As you sat engrossed (or merely grossed out), huh? (Hope your daughter wasn't trying to get your attention!) What wonderful dietary advice from grandma! Teach the boy not only to ignore is innate sense of satiety, but to override it in order to consume more carbohydrates deep fried in fat (oh, excuse me... McDonald's is at least frying them in vegetable oil instead of beef tallow now) so that he may receive, as a "reward" for overeating, MORE food -- a sugary, fatty treat! The grandmother seemed quite confident in her ability to dispense advice on eating habits. She probably thinks of French fries as a "vegetable," no doubt, so she's helping him be healthy, right? It was amazing that watching this small interaction made it immediately apparent why the mother was so enormous. I'd hardly consider the grandmother's words "advice." (An *order* perhaps.) Read what I wrote in response to Elizabeth, PF. The grandmother undoubtedly falls into one of three categories (I think it's safe to assume that virtually *everyone* is aware of the correlation between overeating and excess weight--the "information."): Either (1) She hasn't pondered the information (and consequently hasn't taken any action), in which case she's an "idiot"; (2) She *has* pondered the information, and come up with a rational (to *her*; people, mind you, have a right to make what others would consider foolish choices) reason for encouraging (coercing) the boy to overeat (at least on this occasion); or (3) She's not capable--she doesn't have the mental acumen--to ponder the overeating--overweight information, and thus is a candidate for advising. So tell us, PF (I'm dyin' to know!): What did you do? Did you say anything to her/her family (daughter)? Did you accost her with your expert advice? g |
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"JG" wrote
assume that virtually *everyone* is aware of the correlation between overeating and excess weight--the "information."): Either (1) She Yes, I am sure she understands that she got fat from overeating. |
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"PF Riley" wrote in message ... (...) It was amazing that watching this small interaction made it immediately apparent why the mother was so enormous. The immediate question that comes to mind is why didn't the mother do her bit as a parent and say something like: you don't have to eat your fries or the ice cream if you don't want it? The mother is obese. One would think she should know better. The mother is clearly suffering from obesity. I agree it is not her fault that she grew up fat. However, she has the ability to lose weight. And she is one of the people who will suffer if she doesn't. Jeff PF |
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"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message et... "Wendy Marsden" wrote in I mentioned how I didn't allow my children to eat Frosted Flakes at a family reunion week. ... What do you think of parents who give candy directly to other kids? Perhaps you could mention politely to the other parents that your don't want your child to get candy. It seems like about once a week or so that my kids goto a birthday party or some other event, and come home with a bag of candy. The only time anyone asks my opinion is when my 3-year-old comes to me with a Snickers bar or a Tootsie Roll and asks me if it has peanuts in it. (She has an allergy.) I am not particularly strict about it, but she'd be eating chocolate candy every day if I let her eat all the candy she gets from other parents. What are these parents thinking? Do they feed their own kids this much candy? Am I rude if I refuse the candy? No, if the other parents know that you don't want your kids getting candy and you are polite about it, no, I would say that they are rude for offering it. All the best, Jeff |
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"JG" wrote in message .. . "PF Riley" wrote in message (...) So tell us, PF (I'm dyin' to know!): What did you do? Did you say anything to her/her family (daughter)? Did you accost her with your expert advice? g My experience is that outside of the office, such advice isn't welcome. Most people who are way too fat (e.g., they waddle) know this. And the grandmother would not welcome this advice, either. Jeff |
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 07:22:39 GMT, "JG" wrote:
So tell us, PF (I'm dyin' to know!): What did you do? Did you say anything to her/her family (daughter)? Did you accost her with your expert advice? g No, I did not say anything because I was there as a father and McDonald's patron, not a pediatrician. I don't go nosing around other people's business when outside the office because, as I have said before, I operate under the supposition that people come to my office because they want my advice. I wouldn't assume the same at McDonald's. PF |
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