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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:54:52 EST, Laura Slesinger
wrote: My husband caught our daughter's teacher on the phone this morning just as The Kid was about to hand her my note. Apparently the teacher had had no expectation of The Kid turning her report on time, given the fact that we were going to be out of the country, but she'd never said as much. I don't know whether to be relieved or angry. While it was good for our daughter to have the push to get the work done reasonably promptly, the stress the false deadline had on all of us really wasn't necessary. And I want my vacation back. beeswing A few things: 1) You should have spoken to your child's teacher before leaving on a vacation to get assignments. By not doing so, you are teaching the child that she can have unique treatment from the other children, and detracting from the message that school is important. If you had access to the whole thread, you would see that when beeswing took this vacation last year, she did not do anything to demonstrate to her child that special treatment was appropriate. 2) You should consider taking your family vacations in the summer, between school grades. I don't think I'd want my kids in a school where this was the attitude, until they are in university. Louise |
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dragonlady says... In article , Laura Slesinger wrote: 2) You should consider taking your family vacations in the summer, between school grades. It's one thing to suggest that people not take their children out of school to take vacations, but to suggest they not even take vacations during school breaks is definately over the top. If I tell you that you should consider the local diner's delicious Friday special potroast, I am not telling you not to order a cheeseburger. Banty |
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Banty wrote: In article , dragonlady says... In article , Laura Slesinger wrote: 2) You should consider taking your family vacations in the summer, between school grades. It's one thing to suggest that people not take their children out of school to take vacations, but to suggest they not even take vacations during school breaks is definately over the top. If I tell you that you should consider the local diner's delicious Friday special potroast, I am not telling you not to order a cheeseburger. Yeah, but if someone complains that the cheeseburger appears to be scorched and barely edible, and you reply, "Next time, you should consider ordering the delicious potroast," it's no longer a neutral 'suggestion'. Beth |
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wrote in message oups.com... Banty wrote: In article , dragonlady says... In article , Laura Slesinger wrote: 2) You should consider taking your family vacations in the summer, between school grades. It's one thing to suggest that people not take their children out of school to take vacations, but to suggest they not even take vacations during school breaks is definately over the top. If I tell you that you should consider the local diner's delicious Friday special potroast, I am not telling you not to order a cheeseburger. Yeah, but if someone complains that the cheeseburger appears to be scorched and barely edible, and you reply, "Next time, you should consider ordering the delicious potroast," it's no longer a neutral 'suggestion'. Furthermore, there isn't any reason to believe that the other option wasn't already considered, and that the "suggestion" isn't anything more than unwanted meddling. Saying "I've already considered it, but I disagree" rarely ends things. P. Tierney |
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Laura Slesinger wrote:
2) You should consider taking your family vacations in the summer, between school grades. Sigh... haven't you heard about summer homework and reading lists? The truth is that there is a double standard for kids and adults. When an adult takes a vacation, we don't usually have to take work with us. I work in a fortune 10 company, and when we take vacations, we leave our laptops at home, set our voicemail to alert people about who to contact in our absence, and do the same with our email. We also alert people that we will check email and voicemail WHEN WE RETURN. I personally think assigning homework over vacation stinks. They never get a break. I also, personally think homework (except what could have been done during the day, but wasn't due the kid not being on task or whatever) kind of stinks, too. As an adult, I get to leave my work behind for the evening, and on weekends. Occasionally I have extra work to do - I've put in occasional 60 and even rarely a 70 hour week. But mostly, I don't. I think spending time with my kids doing family things is probably more helpful for the kids in the long run than doing an extra few sheets of math problems or spelling words. And get this - studies haven't shown that extra work - beyond what can be done during the school day to be particularly effective in improving kids skills. And no, I don't have the studies at hand. If I happen to come across them, I'll post them. But that's just me. Cathy Weeks Mommy to Kivi Alexis 12/01 |
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Banty wrote:
'Laura' said *consider*. As in, summer vacation travel being *a* way to travel without taking kids from school. There are also shorter trips during other break periods. Consider is not the same as "thou shalt do exactly as I suggest". It is *not* the same as suggesting that the kids not be taken out for other school breaks. It surely was not a statement that could reasonably be characterized as "over the top". I dunno. What's the point of having breaks from school if I ought to be "considering" not using them for family time? Frankly, my mind boggles at that tought. If my kids are supposed to be available to keep their noses to the grindstones for that week, then heck, keep 'em in school and get it over with already. If spring break isn't a break, why have it? I *do* consider it over the top to suggest that school breaks aren't available for family travel or whatever else one might do with them. If they're not available for that, well, then haul the teachers in and put school back in session. Best wishes, Ericka |
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In article ,
Banty wrote: 'Laura' said *consider*. As in, summer vacation travel being *a* way to travel without taking kids from school. There are also shorter trips during other break periods. Consider is not the same as "thou shalt do exactly as I suggest". It is *not* the same as suggesting that the kids not be taken out for other school breaks. The context of the thread was a family having problems with homework during school break. In that context, the suggestion to "consider" travelling over summer vacation reads as a suggestion to "consider" travelling during the summer *instead of* travelling during spring break. In that context, suggesting that one "consider" travelling over the summer *is* the same as suggesting that one "consider" not travelling during other school breaks. No, certainly 'Laura' was not saying that everyone must do as she suggested, but she surely did implicitly suggest it. It surely was not a statement that could reasonably be characterized as "over the top". The implied suggestion to *only* travel during the summer break as a solution to the "homework during spring break" problem does indeed seem to me to be "over the top". --Robyn |
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Banty wrote: In article .com, says... Banty wrote: In article , dragonlady says... In article , Laura Slesinger wrote: 2) You should consider taking your family vacations in the summer, between school grades. It's one thing to suggest that people not take their children out of school to take vacations, but to suggest they not even take vacations during school breaks is definately over the top. If I tell you that you should consider the local diner's delicious Friday special potroast, I am not telling you not to order a cheeseburger. Yeah, but if someone complains that the cheeseburger appears to be scorched and barely edible, and you reply, "Next time, you should consider ordering the delicious potroast," it's no longer a neutral 'suggestion'. Order the club sandwich, then! 'Laura' said *consider*. As in, summer vacation travel being *a* way to travel without taking kids from school. There are also shorter trips during other break periods. Consider is not the same as "thou shalt do exactly as I suggest". It is *not* the same as suggesting that the kids not be taken out for other school breaks. It surely was not a statement that could reasonably be characterized as "over the top". I'm very confused by your reply. Summer vacation is a way to travel without taking kids from school, yes. As I understand it, this *was* a "shorter trip during [an]other break period", also a way to travel without taking kids from school, which was complicated by homework. How is this not the same as suggesting the kids not be taken on vacation during a school break? Assuming I understand the situation correctly, 'suggesting' that someone fix the problem by essentially ceding their right to take a break during a break isn't much of a suggestion. Beth |
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"Cathy Weeks" wrote in message oups.com... Laura Slesinger wrote: 2) You should consider taking your family vacations in the summer, between school grades. Sigh... haven't you heard about summer homework and reading lists? The truth is that there is a double standard for kids and adults. When an adult takes a vacation, we don't usually have to take work with us. I work in a fortune 10 company, and when we take vacations, we leave our laptops at home, set our voicemail to alert people about who to contact in our absence, and do the same with our email. We also alert people that we will check email and voicemail WHEN WE RETURN. I personally think assigning homework over vacation stinks. They never get a break. I also, personally think homework (except what could have been done during the day, but wasn't due the kid not being on task or whatever) kind of stinks, too. As an adult, I get to leave my work behind for the evening, and on weekends. Occasionally I have extra work to do - I've put in occasional 60 and even rarely a 70 hour week. But mostly, I don't. I think spending time with my kids doing family things is probably more helpful for the kids in the long run than doing an extra few sheets of math problems or spelling words. And get this - studies haven't shown that extra work - beyond what can be done during the school day to be particularly effective in improving kids skills. And no, I don't have the studies at hand. If I happen to come across them, I'll post them. Which brings up a question for me. Someone on this group mentioned the bunk reasoning for having homework for 1st graders is to get ready for 2nd grade and so on for some number of grades. Are there any studies that demonstrate more or less "readiness" in say 5th grade, based on the homework of previous grades? I had a conversation with DS's preschool teacher about the appropriateness of homework for kindergarteners for just this reason. Made me shiver. But that's just me. Cathy Weeks Mommy to Kivi Alexis 12/01 |
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