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Anonymama wrote: enigma wrote: so, you want all your daycare providers/teachers dressed like this? http://www.plainlydressed.com/ Heh. One of their outfits is made out of "Traditional Swedish Knit Polyester." One assumes they mean the knitting style is traditional Swedish . . -- Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care |
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"bizby40" wrote: why? are bellies that taboo in society currently? most summer jobs, especially in childcare, are minimum wage. yes, in that situation i *do* think it's too much to expect they should buy special clothes for work. when i was working summers, it was because i needed that money for next semester, not to buy clothes. YMMV, i suppose. If they don't have any appropriate clothing and can't or won't get any, then they might just have to look for a more suitable job. Keeping in mind that the OP said she complained and the owner did nothing, one must assume that these young women are NOT dressed in a way that their boss finds inappropriate -- so they already have a suitable job. I didn't see the clothes, but I know how completely differently my MIL and I react to the same things: something I might think is kind of cute, she might think is completely slutty. So, short of posting pictures, there's know way for me to know whether *I* would think the young women were dressed inappropriately -- and, if their boss doesn't have a problem with it, then the OPs choices are to live with it or find somewhere else for her chidren to be. -- Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care |
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Nan wrote: On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 19:15:23 -0400, Ericka Kammerer wrote: More importantly, though, I don't think you even have to revert to much of a morality argument here. It's a job requirement to get down on the floor and play with the kids. If you can't do that in what you're wearing, it doesn't really matter whether someone finds it too revealing. I.e., if it were just about a neckline that was too low or something like that, it might be a somewhat different issue. I know that clothing most would consider somewhat risqué also would not be allowed at our preschool, as staff are expected to dress comfortably and casually, but professionally, but clothing that isn't suitable to performing primary job tasks isn't even a close call. Well, I agree that clothing suited to physical requirements is a Good Thing. However, I have to laugh at the number of posts saying part of the job *requirement* is to get on the floor and play. AFAIK, it's not a requirement of DD5s preschool teachers *or* the Stay and Play staff. They *might* decide to crawl around and play outside, but it certainly isn't "required", and I don't think I ever saw any of the teachers or DC gals doing so. Nan Actually, that's a good point. I work with kids of all ages (though not in a full time program), and I can't get down on to the floor anymore unless there are three strong adults and a crane to get me back up . . . -- Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care |
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Nan wrote: On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:41:19 -0400, Ericka Kammerer wrote: While our 2yo teachers spend more time on the floor than our 3yo or 4yo teachers, all of them are down there occasionally for circle time, doing floor puzzles, sitting with a child in their laps, building block towers, and all sorts of other things. I think one of the hallmarks of a good preschool is teachers who are down on the children's level, rather than directing from on high. I seem to recall something in the NAEYC standards describing this as desirable behavior as well. Oh, I agree that it's desirable behavior. I'm just saying I don't think it's *required* behavior. E's teacher most likely did get on the floor with the children on occasion. However, her classroom was quite small and space was mainly taken up by the tables and chairs for the kids. I did see her sitting at the table in those terribly tiny chairs quite a bit ;-) Nan That I can do (and do regularly). It's hard on this arthritic body, but it IS important to get down to the kid's level, so I manage. -- Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care |
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Barbara Bomberger wrote: On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:29:44 -0400, "bizby40" wrote: "Nan" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 15:07:23 -0400, "bizby40" wrote: something as frivolous as dress. I contend that if your DCPs crossed *your* personal line of what is appropriate, whatever that might be, that you would then feel that the matter of dress was more important. You insult too easily, then. Because *I* pay more attention to the standard of care, not how someone is dressed. If the OP is unhappy with the standard of care, she's not mentioning it. If the clothing is her only gripe, I do feel that is trivial in the Big Picture, considering the "teachers" aren't performing ritual sacrifices naked. Re-read what I said. The OP probably didn't consider how they dressed to be important until they crossed the line of her comfort level. Just because your line is at a different place than hers, does not mean that she places more emphasis on clothing than on care. If the staff at your DCP began wearing clothing that for whatever reason crossed out of *your* comfort zone, then you would likely complain about that, even if the level of care remained the same. In my case the answer is probably no. There are alot of clothing items for young people that are out of my comfort zone. Lord knows my mini skirt and go go boots were probably out of my parents comfort zone. But unless you are talking about nudity or pornography, or wearing clothing with swear words or so on, I am willing to expand my comfort zone, dependent on my childrens care and my children's relationshipwith the teacher.provider. Bizby This whole thread is making me thing about how I'd feel if there were someone caring for a young girl (especially) who was really into the slut-puppy look. I don't really care if they're tatooed or pierced (or show same), but I guess there WOULD be looks that I'd not want on people who were, essentially, serving as role models for my kids. However, the OP's description wasn't enough for me to know if THOSE things would have been over my "comfort" line. And now you're making me wonder if My daughter did much babysitting while she was going through her "slut-puppy" phase, and I'm trying to remember if I made her dress differently! I can't remember. -- Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care |
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Anonymama wrote in
: enigma wrote: Anonymama wrote in : enigma wrote: so, you want all your daycare providers/teachers dressed like this? http://www.plainlydressed.com/ Heh. One of their outfits is made out of "Traditional Swedish Knit Polyester." obviously they have enough Englitch neighbors who allow borrowing of computers to make online advertising worthwhile. Might they be Englitch themselves? I don't see that they eschew modern technology themselves, even though some of their clients might. possibly. it's something i'd think about doing if i were in an Amish or Mennonite community. it's also possible they're Mennonite, because some sects are pretty liberal when it comes to technology. lee -- war is peace freedom is slavery ignorance is strength 1984-George Orwell |
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dragonlady wrote: In article , Barbara Bomberger wrote: On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:29:44 -0400, "bizby40" wrote: "Nan" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 15:07:23 -0400, "bizby40" wrote: something as frivolous as dress. I contend that if your DCPs crossed *your* personal line of what is appropriate, whatever that might be, that you would then feel that the matter of dress was more important. You insult too easily, then. Because *I* pay more attention to the standard of care, not how someone is dressed. If the OP is unhappy with the standard of care, she's not mentioning it. If the clothing is her only gripe, I do feel that is trivial in the Big Picture, considering the "teachers" aren't performing ritual sacrifices naked. Re-read what I said. The OP probably didn't consider how they dressed to be important until they crossed the line of her comfort level. Just because your line is at a different place than hers, does not mean that she places more emphasis on clothing than on care. If the staff at your DCP began wearing clothing that for whatever reason crossed out of *your* comfort zone, then you would likely complain about that, even if the level of care remained the same. In my case the answer is probably no. There are alot of clothing items for young people that are out of my comfort zone. Lord knows my mini skirt and go go boots were probably out of my parents comfort zone. But unless you are talking about nudity or pornography, or wearing clothing with swear words or so on, I am willing to expand my comfort zone, dependent on my childrens care and my children's relationshipwith the teacher.provider. Bizby This whole thread is making me thing about how I'd feel if there were someone caring for a young girl (especially) who was really into the slut-puppy look. I don't really care if they're tatooed or pierced (or show same), but I guess there WOULD be looks that I'd not want on people who were, essentially, serving as role models for my kids. However, the OP's description wasn't enough for me to know if THOSE things would have been over my "comfort" line. And now you're making me wonder if My daughter did much babysitting while she was going through her "slut-puppy" phase, and I'm trying to remember if I made her dress differently! I can't remember. I'm with you here, vis a vis the piercings and tatoos but balking on the slut-puppy look. (What's with the 'boy toy' 'angel' and 'red hots' T-shirts in sizes for 12 year olds, anyway? But that's an old old thread.) I'm still trying to have my daughters dress like little girls (who climb trees, bike, whatnot) and having a beloved (female, role model) teacher who wore sexually provocative clothing would, for me, be over my comfort line. Can't tell if this was the style of dress of the OP's teachers... Caledonia |
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"dragonlady" wrote in message ... In article , "bizby40" wrote: why? are bellies that taboo in society currently? most summer jobs, especially in childcare, are minimum wage. yes, in that situation i *do* think it's too much to expect they should buy special clothes for work. when i was working summers, it was because i needed that money for next semester, not to buy clothes. YMMV, i suppose. If they don't have any appropriate clothing and can't or won't get any, then they might just have to look for a more suitable job. Keeping in mind that the OP said she complained and the owner did nothing, one must assume that these young women are NOT dressed in a way that their boss finds inappropriate -- so they already have a suitable job. I didn't see the clothes, but I know how completely differently my MIL and I react to the same things: something I might think is kind of cute, she might think is completely slutty. So, short of posting pictures, there's know way for me to know whether *I* would think the young women were dressed inappropriately -- and, if their boss doesn't have a problem with it, then the OPs choices are to live with it or find somewhere else for her chidren to be. Yeah, this is about where I am. I don't know whether or not I'd find the originally described attire offensive or not, but I can imagine someone's dress going "over the line" enough for me to complain about it. But, of course, if the owner chooses to do nothing, then there is nothing she can do about it. Bizby -- Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care |
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"Ericka Kammerer" wrote in message ... Barbara Bomberger wrote: But the OPs objection was to the style, not to the function. And wearing a shirt short enough to show a belly button does NOT mean that when you stretch your hands up, you automatically show everything. Goodness, if it did, I would be in trouble, as I dress on the "liberal side" I guess. And I'm an old woman. . For every parent who's cool with midriff baring tops, low cut pants, and mini skirts, there'll be another who isn't keen on that role model for her preschool-aged daughter Do pre-school kids really want to wear the same clothes as their teacher? I've never come across that. To my preschooler the only thing that matters is that her clothes are pink ;-P Anyone over about 12 is too old to worry about what they wear. Piercings are another matter, but parents can always say no. Debbie |
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Welches wrote:
"Ericka Kammerer" wrote in message ... Barbara Bomberger wrote: But the OPs objection was to the style, not to the function. And wearing a shirt short enough to show a belly button does NOT mean that when you stretch your hands up, you automatically show everything. Goodness, if it did, I would be in trouble, as I dress on the "liberal side" I guess. And I'm an old woman. . For every parent who's cool with midriff baring tops, low cut pants, and mini skirts, there'll be another who isn't keen on that role model for her preschool-aged daughter Do pre-school kids really want to wear the same clothes as their teacher? It's not so much that the child will want to wear the same clothes right then. It's more that the teacher sets an expectation for what is appropriate attire in a given set of circumstances. Children are exposed to a wide variety of influences. I can't do a lot about most of them, but I can ensure that the modeling they see at home reinforces what I believe to be appropriate behaviors, and I would certainly want at least the teachers at school to be modeling what I would consider appropriate behaviors. Actually, it occurs to me to wonder whether those who are accepting of these clothing choices for a preschool would be equally accepting of the same clothing on, say, an elementary school teacher or a high school teacher? And if not, why not? Best wishes, Ericka |
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