Father at his wits end.

On 25 Sep 2006, Murphoid wrote:


0:- wrote:
wrote:
Missed opportunities for consistency were your only mistakes. I would
have spanked as well. The belt is a question to me, but you sound like
a parent whose judgment should be trusted implicitly.

Child abuse by overuse of physical punishment is common. It's rare that
a child is seen by CPS where physical abuse is the issue that the
parent doesn't claim they were just "disciplining' and unruly child.

This case seems a classic one of doing more of what isn't working. An
escalation of force to the point of higher risk of injury to the
child....abuse.

Possibly another tactic would be more appropriate.

We've posters here with better ways than simply "go for broke."

But if they speak up you can be sure they will be attacked.

Anyone that advocates non-spanking methods can expect that here.

Of as one of our posters here likes to scream hysterically, "get a
policeman to hit him with a baton. It's legal."

0:-

Thanks for the replys to my post. My Daughters behavior has improved
and now she is no longer getting in trouble at school. I have not even
had to punish her since except for very minor infractions (Thank God!)

I guess the question is was the belt the catalyst or not? Honestly, I
have not altered my parenting at all. I still use 1-2-3 and then a
spank and carry to the room. I have since let her know that the belt
will be used again if her behavior gets seriously out of line again.
It hasn't yet.

I think she was testing her limits and trying non-conformity to rules
to see if she could get away with it. I honestly don't know why.

I see this posters point about more of what doesn't work. However I
don't think that was what the situation was. I am not father of the
year, who is? I do have a consistent parenting method and up till that
point it was working. I was concerned because I was being consistent
and she was rebelling. It was becoming a struggle between us. That
was I think the core of the problem was.

This time I was able to lay down the law and it restored order. It
worked. I don't like saying it but it did.

Only you know your daughter best. I am glad to see that you have found
what work for you and your daughter. It's your choice to parent your
children the way you see fit. Don't let others take that right away
from you.

Doan

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote:

Greegor wrote:
Beware, Using a belt is illegal in many states.

Name them.

Telling Kane you used a belt is like lighting a match
to see into a gas can.

Why would you say that?

Physical punishment works, Greg.

I've never denied that.

The problem is that it is a short term solution with long term
consequences that aren't worth the temporary outcome.

Anyone that has worked with children, especially troubled children,
knows what the risks are in such a scenario as described.

Unless the child if fully cowed, there will be further testing, until
that time comes when the child does find a way around the threat.

Think of all the ways children can do that.

Heck, think of all the ways adults get around the threat of punishment.
Kids are much better at it, just resource poor..which will not always be
the case as they age out of childhood.

Your insinuation that I would call and report him fails on the issue of
which state he's in. Do you know?

I don't.

And besides, the USE of a belt is NOT the question.

For legal intervention there would have to be marks left. He did not say
there were, nor have I seen the child. And in some states that's not
even enough, as recent court cases have shown.

So what were you insinuating, Greg, other than your usual sick and
perverted posting methods don't fly?

This is a sad case, Greg. Very.

He has gotten temporary compliance.

Are you prepared to defend that there is little likelihood of it turning
bad in the future?

Children have a number of options in such cases. They can become careful
sneaks, and do what they wish anyway. They can wait until they are
capable of leaving home and running away. They can wait until they are
big enough to physically defend themselves and strike back.

The option that they cannot do alone is this: they cannot develop a
trusting relationship of such value to them that compliance is voluntary
and desired by them.

THAT option is denied by the use of pain and humiliation...and that is
the adult's choice.

I'm sorry that our poster resorted to it.

You, apparently, are not.

0:-[

And you know his daughter better than him right, Kane? ;-)

AF

Doan wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006, Murphoid wrote:

0:- wrote:
wrote:
Missed opportunities for consistency were your only mistakes. I would
have spanked as well. The belt is a question to me, but you sound like
a parent whose judgment should be trusted implicitly.
Child abuse by overuse of physical punishment is common. It's rare that
a child is seen by CPS where physical abuse is the issue that the
parent doesn't claim they were just "disciplining' and unruly child.

This case seems a classic one of doing more of what isn't working. An
escalation of force to the point of higher risk of injury to the
child....abuse.

Possibly another tactic would be more appropriate.

We've posters here with better ways than simply "go for broke."

But if they speak up you can be sure they will be attacked.

Anyone that advocates non-spanking methods can expect that here.

Of as one of our posters here likes to scream hysterically, "get a
policeman to hit him with a baton. It's legal."

0:-
Thanks for the replys to my post. My Daughters behavior has improved
and now she is no longer getting in trouble at school. I have not even
had to punish her since except for very minor infractions (Thank God!)

I guess the question is was the belt the catalyst or not? Honestly, I
have not altered my parenting at all. I still use 1-2-3 and then a
spank and carry to the room. I have since let her know that the belt
will be used again if her behavior gets seriously out of line again.
It hasn't yet.

I think she was testing her limits and trying non-conformity to rules
to see if she could get away with it. I honestly don't know why.

I see this posters point about more of what doesn't work. However I
don't think that was what the situation was. I am not father of the
year, who is? I do have a consistent parenting method and up till that
point it was working. I was concerned because I was being consistent
and she was rebelling. It was becoming a struggle between us. That
was I think the core of the problem was.

This time I was able to lay down the law and it restored order. It
worked. I don't like saying it but it did.

Only you know your daughter best. I am glad to see that you have found
what work for you and your daughter. It's your choice to parent your
children the way you see fit. Don't let others take that right away
from you.

Who's trying to take it away?

And who will have to live with the consequences?


Doan


Just about the time some teen does something criminal or violent, the
parent will say one or both of two things, "I thought I had taught
(punished) her better than that," and or "I guess I didn't know her as
well as I thought."

You live in a little dreamworld, Droaner. A sad one.

How many children have you raised?

0:-




--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

Doan wrote:
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote:

Greegor wrote:
Beware, Using a belt is illegal in many states.
Name them.

Telling Kane you used a belt is like lighting a match
to see into a gas can.
Why would you say that?

Physical punishment works, Greg.

I've never denied that.

The problem is that it is a short term solution with long term
consequences that aren't worth the temporary outcome.

Anyone that has worked with children, especially troubled children,
knows what the risks are in such a scenario as described.

Unless the child if fully cowed, there will be further testing, until
that time comes when the child does find a way around the threat.

Think of all the ways children can do that.

Heck, think of all the ways adults get around the threat of punishment.
Kids are much better at it, just resource poor..which will not always be
the case as they age out of childhood.

Your insinuation that I would call and report him fails on the issue of
which state he's in. Do you know?

I don't.

And besides, the USE of a belt is NOT the question.

For legal intervention there would have to be marks left. He did not say
there were, nor have I seen the child. And in some states that's not
even enough, as recent court cases have shown.

So what were you insinuating, Greg, other than your usual sick and
perverted posting methods don't fly?

This is a sad case, Greg. Very.

He has gotten temporary compliance.

Are you prepared to defend that there is little likelihood of it turning
bad in the future?

Children have a number of options in such cases. They can become careful
sneaks, and do what they wish anyway. They can wait until they are
capable of leaving home and running away. They can wait until they are
big enough to physically defend themselves and strike back.

The option that they cannot do alone is this: they cannot develop a
trusting relationship of such value to them that compliance is voluntary
and desired by them.

THAT option is denied by the use of pain and humiliation...and that is
the adult's choice.

I'm sorry that our poster resorted to it.

You, apparently, are not.

0:-[

And you know his daughter better than him right, Kane? ;-)

I know kids better than him. I made no claim about knowing his daughter
better.

I've seen how kids that are spanked turn out, Doan. So have you. 0:-

You just suppress the memory.


AF


0:-


--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006, Murphoid wrote:

0:- wrote:
wrote:
Missed opportunities for consistency were your only mistakes. I would
have spanked as well. The belt is a question to me, but you sound like
a parent whose judgment should be trusted implicitly.
Child abuse by overuse of physical punishment is common. It's rare that
a child is seen by CPS where physical abuse is the issue that the
parent doesn't claim they were just "disciplining' and unruly child.

This case seems a classic one of doing more of what isn't working. An
escalation of force to the point of higher risk of injury to the
child....abuse.

Possibly another tactic would be more appropriate.

We've posters here with better ways than simply "go for broke."

But if they speak up you can be sure they will be attacked.

Anyone that advocates non-spanking methods can expect that here.

Of as one of our posters here likes to scream hysterically, "get a
policeman to hit him with a baton. It's legal."

0:-
Thanks for the replys to my post. My Daughters behavior has improved
and now she is no longer getting in trouble at school. I have not even
had to punish her since except for very minor infractions (Thank God!)

I guess the question is was the belt the catalyst or not? Honestly, I
have not altered my parenting at all. I still use 1-2-3 and then a
spank and carry to the room. I have since let her know that the belt
will be used again if her behavior gets seriously out of line again.
It hasn't yet.

I think she was testing her limits and trying non-conformity to rules
to see if she could get away with it. I honestly don't know why.

I see this posters point about more of what doesn't work. However I
don't think that was what the situation was. I am not father of the
year, who is? I do have a consistent parenting method and up till that
point it was working. I was concerned because I was being consistent
and she was rebelling. It was becoming a struggle between us. That
was I think the core of the problem was.

This time I was able to lay down the law and it restored order. It
worked. I don't like saying it but it did.

Only you know your daughter best. I am glad to see that you have found
what work for you and your daughter. It's your choice to parent your
children the way you see fit. Don't let others take that right away
from you.

Who's trying to take it away?

The anti-spankin zealotS!

And who will have to live with the consequences?

The people of Sweden?


Just about the time some teen does something criminal or violent, the
parent will say one or both of two things, "I thought I had taught
(punished) her better than that," and or "I guess I didn't know her as
well as I thought."

Have you checked on Columbine?

You live in a little dreamworld, Droaner. A sad one.

I live in the real world. Not perfect but real.

How many children have you raised?

How many have you raised, Kane?

AF

0:-




--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

Doan wrote:
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006, Murphoid wrote:

0:- wrote:
wrote:
Missed opportunities for consistency were your only mistakes. I would
have spanked as well. The belt is a question to me, but you sound like
a parent whose judgment should be trusted implicitly.
Child abuse by overuse of physical punishment is common. It's rare that
a child is seen by CPS where physical abuse is the issue that the
parent doesn't claim they were just "disciplining' and unruly child.

This case seems a classic one of doing more of what isn't working. An
escalation of force to the point of higher risk of injury to the
child....abuse.

Possibly another tactic would be more appropriate.

We've posters here with better ways than simply "go for broke."

But if they speak up you can be sure they will be attacked.

Anyone that advocates non-spanking methods can expect that here.

Of as one of our posters here likes to scream hysterically, "get a
policeman to hit him with a baton. It's legal."

0:-
Thanks for the replys to my post. My Daughters behavior has improved
and now she is no longer getting in trouble at school. I have not even
had to punish her since except for very minor infractions (Thank God!)

I guess the question is was the belt the catalyst or not? Honestly, I
have not altered my parenting at all. I still use 1-2-3 and then a
spank and carry to the room. I have since let her know that the belt
will be used again if her behavior gets seriously out of line again.
It hasn't yet.

I think she was testing her limits and trying non-conformity to rules
to see if she could get away with it. I honestly don't know why.

I see this posters point about more of what doesn't work. However I
don't think that was what the situation was. I am not father of the
year, who is? I do have a consistent parenting method and up till that
point it was working. I was concerned because I was being consistent
and she was rebelling. It was becoming a struggle between us. That
was I think the core of the problem was.

This time I was able to lay down the law and it restored order. It
worked. I don't like saying it but it did.

Only you know your daughter best. I am glad to see that you have found
what work for you and your daughter. It's your choice to parent your
children the way you see fit. Don't let others take that right away
from you.
Who's trying to take it away?

The anti-spankin zealotS!

Or the humane and those with well founded longitudinal studies and other
research.

And who will have to live with the consequences?

The people of Sweden?

Interestingly the people of Sweden have indeed benefited by this change
in parenting direction. The current levels of crime seem to be more
related to an open door immigration policy and massive numbers of
immigrants from societies that indeed will not respect this law banning
corporal punishment.

Just about the time some teen does something criminal or violent, the
parent will say one or both of two things, "I thought I had taught
(punished) her better than that," and or "I guess I didn't know her as
well as I thought."

Have you checked on Columbine?

Sure have. According to your claims there is an over 90% chance the
shooters where in fact subjected to corporal punishment as little
children. Do you know otherwise?

You live in a little dreamworld, Droaner. A sad one.

I live in the real world. Not perfect but real.

That is the first thing the nut cases claim.

How many children have you raised?

How many have you raised, Kane?

Four directly. Dozens by proxy from their parents. And worked with
hundreds of children and their families in various clinical settings.

Why didn't you answer the question, Doan?

AF

Try answering the question asked, Doan, instead of resorting to the
sneaking ploys you learned by way of being spanked as a child.

0:-


0:-




--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)




--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote:

Greegor wrote:
Beware, Using a belt is illegal in many states.
Name them.

Telling Kane you used a belt is like lighting a match
to see into a gas can.
Why would you say that?

Physical punishment works, Greg.

I've never denied that.

The problem is that it is a short term solution with long term
consequences that aren't worth the temporary outcome.

Anyone that has worked with children, especially troubled children,
knows what the risks are in such a scenario as described.

Unless the child if fully cowed, there will be further testing, until
that time comes when the child does find a way around the threat.

Think of all the ways children can do that.

Heck, think of all the ways adults get around the threat of punishment.
Kids are much better at it, just resource poor..which will not always be
the case as they age out of childhood.

Your insinuation that I would call and report him fails on the issue of
which state he's in. Do you know?

I don't.

And besides, the USE of a belt is NOT the question.

For legal intervention there would have to be marks left. He did not say
there were, nor have I seen the child. And in some states that's not
even enough, as recent court cases have shown.

So what were you insinuating, Greg, other than your usual sick and
perverted posting methods don't fly?

This is a sad case, Greg. Very.

He has gotten temporary compliance.

Are you prepared to defend that there is little likelihood of it turning
bad in the future?

Children have a number of options in such cases. They can become careful
sneaks, and do what they wish anyway. They can wait until they are
capable of leaving home and running away. They can wait until they are
big enough to physically defend themselves and strike back.

The option that they cannot do alone is this: they cannot develop a
trusting relationship of such value to them that compliance is voluntary
and desired by them.

THAT option is denied by the use of pain and humiliation...and that is
the adult's choice.

I'm sorry that our poster resorted to it.

You, apparently, are not.

0:-[

And you know his daughter better than him right, Kane? ;-)

I know kids better than him. I made no claim about knowing his daughter
better.

You know kids better than him??? I doubted that! You were the one that
admitted to abusing your own kid, remembered? You said you were too
stupid to know where the line is and may have crossed it when you hit
your kid, remembered?

I've seen how kids that are spanked turn out, Doan. So have you. 0:-

Yup! Albert Einstien, Mother Theresa, Martin L. King Jr.... and you.
Oops! Scratch that. You were "never-spanked"! ;-)

You just suppress the memory.

How's that? Did I ever denied that I was spanked?

AF

0:- wrote:
Doan wrote:
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006, Murphoid wrote:

0:- wrote:
wrote:
Missed opportunities for consistency were your only mistakes. I would
have spanked as well. The belt is a question to me, but you sound like
a parent whose judgment should be trusted implicitly.
Child abuse by overuse of physical punishment is common. It's rare that
a child is seen by CPS where physical abuse is the issue that the
parent doesn't claim they were just "disciplining' and unruly child.

This case seems a classic one of doing more of what isn't working. An
escalation of force to the point of higher risk of injury to the
child....abuse.

Possibly another tactic would be more appropriate.

We've posters here with better ways than simply "go for broke."

But if they speak up you can be sure they will be attacked.

Anyone that advocates non-spanking methods can expect that here.

Of as one of our posters here likes to scream hysterically, "get a
policeman to hit him with a baton. It's legal."

0:-
Thanks for the replys to my post. My Daughters behavior has improved
and now she is no longer getting in trouble at school. I have not even
had to punish her since except for very minor infractions (Thank God!)

I guess the question is was the belt the catalyst or not? Honestly, I
have not altered my parenting at all. I still use 1-2-3 and then a
spank and carry to the room. I have since let her know that the belt
will be used again if her behavior gets seriously out of line again.
It hasn't yet.

I think she was testing her limits and trying non-conformity to rules
to see if she could get away with it. I honestly don't know why.

I see this posters point about more of what doesn't work. However I
don't think that was what the situation was. I am not father of the
year, who is? I do have a consistent parenting method and up till that
point it was working. I was concerned because I was being consistent
and she was rebelling. It was becoming a struggle between us. That
was I think the core of the problem was.

This time I was able to lay down the law and it restored order. It
worked. I don't like saying it but it did.

Only you know your daughter best. I am glad to see that you have found
what work for you and your daughter. It's your choice to parent your
children the way you see fit. Don't let others take that right away
from you.
Who's trying to take it away?

The anti-spankin zealotS!

Or the humane and those with well founded longitudinal studies and other
research.

And which ones are those?

And who will have to live with the consequences?

The people of Sweden?

Interestingly the people of Sweden have indeed benefited by this change
in parenting direction. The current levels of crime seem to be more
related to an open door immigration policy and massive numbers of
immigrants from societies that indeed will not respect this law banning
corporal punishment.

Hahaha! And the crime rates in the USA have been declining for the past
30 years right, Kane0?

Just about the time some teen does something criminal or violent, the
parent will say one or both of two things, "I thought I had taught
(punished) her better than that," and or "I guess I didn't know her as
well as I thought."

Have you checked on Columbine?

Sure have. According to your claims there is an over 90% chance the
shooters where in fact subjected to corporal punishment as little
children. Do you know otherwise?

Hahaha! The same 90% also applied to all the great men in history!
Know
of any great "never-spanked" person, Kane0?

You live in a little dreamworld, Droaner. A sad one.

I live in the real world. Not perfect but real.

That is the first thing the nut cases claim.

You should know since you are one of the nut cases. ;-)

How many children have you raised?

How many have you raised, Kane?

Four directly. Dozens by proxy from their parents. And worked with
hundreds of children and their families in various clinical settings.

And how many have you abused, Kaneo?

Why didn't you answer the question, Doan?

Because it's not relevant!


AF

Try answering the question asked, Doan, instead of resorting to the
sneaking ploys you learned by way of being spanked as a child.

Hihihi! What about you, Kane0?

AF

0:-


0:-




--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)




--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

Doan wrote:
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote:

Greegor wrote:
Beware, Using a belt is illegal in many states.
Name them.

Telling Kane you used a belt is like lighting a match
to see into a gas can.
Why would you say that?

Physical punishment works, Greg.

I've never denied that.

The problem is that it is a short term solution with long term
consequences that aren't worth the temporary outcome.

Anyone that has worked with children, especially troubled children,
knows what the risks are in such a scenario as described.

Unless the child if fully cowed, there will be further testing, until
that time comes when the child does find a way around the threat.

Think of all the ways children can do that.

Heck, think of all the ways adults get around the threat of punishment.
Kids are much better at it, just resource poor..which will not always be
the case as they age out of childhood.

Your insinuation that I would call and report him fails on the issue of
which state he's in. Do you know?

I don't.

And besides, the USE of a belt is NOT the question.

For legal intervention there would have to be marks left. He did not say
there were, nor have I seen the child. And in some states that's not
even enough, as recent court cases have shown.

So what were you insinuating, Greg, other than your usual sick and
perverted posting methods don't fly?

This is a sad case, Greg. Very.

He has gotten temporary compliance.

Are you prepared to defend that there is little likelihood of it turning
bad in the future?

Children have a number of options in such cases. They can become careful
sneaks, and do what they wish anyway. They can wait until they are
capable of leaving home and running away. They can wait until they are
big enough to physically defend themselves and strike back.

The option that they cannot do alone is this: they cannot develop a
trusting relationship of such value to them that compliance is voluntary
and desired by them.

THAT option is denied by the use of pain and humiliation...and that is
the adult's choice.

I'm sorry that our poster resorted to it.

You, apparently, are not.

0:-[

And you know his daughter better than him right, Kane? ;-)
I know kids better than him. I made no claim about knowing his daughter
better.

You know kids better than him???

The odds are that unless he's raised them to adults, yes. The odds are
also that he has not worked in a professional capacity with children
that were subjected to corporal punishment.

I doubted that!

Of course you do. You have not answered my question about how many
children you have raised. 0:-

You were the one that
admitted to abusing your own kid, remembered?

Nope. That's not what I said. You have taken my comment out of context,
as usual, and reframed it to mislead a reader. That's called 'lying.'

That is the kind of sneakiness and lying that spanked children often
resort to, and carry on into adulthood, Doan.

You said you were too
stupid to know where the line is

No I didn't.

and may have crossed it

Of course I crossed it. That was the point of my speaking of it.

when you hit
your kid, remembered?

Nope. I didn't say that. I'll bet you are too caught up in your
childhood trauma and what you learned from it, sadly, to actually post
my words in full on this subject, aren't you, Doan?

Interesting that when one of your spankers do it it 'spanking' but when
I did it it became 'hitting.' How consistent you are.

You apparently aren't willing to have me 'decide for myself,' while
claiming that is your position. Why is that, Doan?

I've seen how kids that are spanked turn out, Doan. So have you. 0:-

Yup! Albert Einstien, Mother Theresa, Martin L. King Jr.... and you.

Prove the others were spanked, Doan.

Prove the Columbine kids YOU brought up as examples were not spanked.

Oops! Scratch that. You were "never-spanked"! ;-)

That too is a lie. That is not what I said. Go and look it up. Show the
reader where I said I was "never-spanked" and did not qualify it.

If I said I fell off a bridge would you assume that I fell off a
particular bridge? And if I named the bridge, would call me a "bridge
faller offer?" Especially if that bridge had no handrails, while all
others do?

You are a liar, Doan.

You just suppress the memory.

How's that?

See? What did I tell you? R R R R R R R

Did I ever denied that I was spanked?

Nope. I didn't make the claim you suppressed the memory of being
spanked, but instead the memory of what it taught you and made you do
that you demonstrate almost daily here. Lie, sneak.

You have forgotten how it taught you to lie and cheat and become a sneak.

Or are you lying to protect your family? I could accept that without
criticism. 0:-


AF


You are a sneak. And a liar. And badly brought up. Obviously. Some can
get over it. Some cannot. You apparently could not. By the way, the
character of those you listed, Albert Einstien, Mother Theresa, Martin
L. King Jr., had some serious flaws. Einstein was not faithful to his
wife, King..well let's say he too, in considerable measure.

As for your misuse of Mother Teresa:

http://www.goodradioshows.org/peaceTalksL01.htm

.... Mother Theresa said: "If there is no peace in the world today, it
is because there is no peace in the family. Help your families to become
centers of compassion and forgive constantly and so bring peace." ...

You a war monger, boy?

http://www.request.org.uk/main/histo...a/teresa02.htm
.... happy family.'

When Agnes was eight years old her father died. Her mother worked very
hard to make sure the children were happy and Mother Teresa remembered
her childhood as being 'exceptionally happy.' ...

Sound like CP was a common part of parenting for M. Theresa to you?

http://simonsays.com/content/book.cfm?tab=25&pid=514270
.... Description

Born Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu in 1910, Mother Teresa grew up in a small
war-torn town in Macedonia. The youngest of three children, Mother
Teresa was called Gonxha, which means "flower bud," by her family
because of her cheerful disposition. ...

You think this gentle little girl was spanked, do you?

If you really knew anything about what you are talking about you'd also
know that M. Theresa was not without salacious attacks on her honesty
and integrity.

Using her is pointless, because YOU don't know if she was or was not
spanked, stupid little lying boy.

Look it up. Any of it.

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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

wrote:
0:- wrote:
Doan wrote:
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
On 25 Sep 2006, Murphoid wrote:

0:- wrote:
wrote:
Missed opportunities for consistency were your only mistakes. I would
have spanked as well. The belt is a question to me, but you sound like
a parent whose judgment should be trusted implicitly.
Child abuse by overuse of physical punishment is common. It's rare that
a child is seen by CPS where physical abuse is the issue that the
parent doesn't claim they were just "disciplining' and unruly child.

This case seems a classic one of doing more of what isn't working. An
escalation of force to the point of higher risk of injury to the
child....abuse.

Possibly another tactic would be more appropriate.

We've posters here with better ways than simply "go for broke."

But if they speak up you can be sure they will be attacked.

Anyone that advocates non-spanking methods can expect that here.

Of as one of our posters here likes to scream hysterically, "get a
policeman to hit him with a baton. It's legal."

0:-
Thanks for the replys to my post. My Daughters behavior has improved
and now she is no longer getting in trouble at school. I have not even
had to punish her since except for very minor infractions (Thank God!)

I guess the question is was the belt the catalyst or not? Honestly, I
have not altered my parenting at all. I still use 1-2-3 and then a
spank and carry to the room. I have since let her know that the belt
will be used again if her behavior gets seriously out of line again.
It hasn't yet.

I think she was testing her limits and trying non-conformity to rules
to see if she could get away with it. I honestly don't know why.

I see this posters point about more of what doesn't work. However I
don't think that was what the situation was. I am not father of the
year, who is? I do have a consistent parenting method and up till that
point it was working. I was concerned because I was being consistent
and she was rebelling. It was becoming a struggle between us. That
was I think the core of the problem was.

This time I was able to lay down the law and it restored order. It
worked. I don't like saying it but it did.

Only you know your daughter best. I am glad to see that you have found
what work for you and your daughter. It's your choice to parent your
children the way you see fit. Don't let others take that right away
from you.
Who's trying to take it away?

The anti-spankin zealotS!
Or the humane and those with well founded longitudinal studies and other
research.

And which ones are those?

The hundreds cited in this ng over the years. Weren't you watching?

And who will have to live with the consequences?
The people of Sweden?
Interestingly the people of Sweden have indeed benefited by this change
in parenting direction. The current levels of crime seem to be more
related to an open door immigration policy and massive numbers of
immigrants from societies that indeed will not respect this law banning
corporal punishment.

Hahaha! And the crime rates in the USA have been declining for the past
30 years right, Kane0?

Yep, especially violent crime. Even as spanking falls into less and less
approval but the public. You like to cite the old 90% figures, but you
run like the fearful frightened little lying weasel you are when
confronted with more recent figures.

Just about the time some teen does something criminal or violent, the
parent will say one or both of two things, "I thought I had taught
(punished) her better than that," and or "I guess I didn't know her as
well as I thought."

Have you checked on Columbine?
Sure have. According to your claims there is an over 90% chance the
shooters where in fact subjected to corporal punishment as little
children. Do you know otherwise?

Hahaha! The same 90% also applied to all the great men in history!
Know
of any great "never-spanked" person, Kane0?

Nope. Know of any high profile bad man that wasn't spanked, Doan?

You live in a little dreamworld, Droaner. A sad one.

I live in the real world. Not perfect but real.
That is the first thing the nut cases claim.

You should know since you are one of the nut cases. ;-)

Projection.

How many children have you raised?

How many have you raised, Kane?
Four directly. Dozens by proxy from their parents. And worked with
hundreds of children and their families in various clinical settings.

And how many have you abused, Kaneo?

You haven't answered my question. I've abused none.

Why didn't you answer the question, Doan?

Because it's not relevant!

Oh? YOU questioned whether or not I might know more than the poster
about children and raising them.

I answered your question.

YOU claim to know better than me, as is plain to see in your replies.
Now answer mine.

How do you come to know better than I?

Raised any children?



AF

Try answering the question asked, Doan, instead of resorting to the
sneaking ploys you learned by way of being spanked as a child.

Hihihi! What about you, Kane0?

I answer your questions as asked, Doan. And you mine? Nope. Not so far.

Yer a frightened dodging weasel that pretends to yourself that you are
brave and clever to duck the questions.

Give that some thought.

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AF

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--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)


--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)



--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)