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More study on the benefit of spanking on Black community. "Regression slops showed that the experience of physical discipline at each time point was related to higher level of externalizing behaviors for European American adlolescents but lower level of externalizing behaviors for African American adolescents." Sources: Ethnic differences in the link between physical discipline and later adolescent externalizing behaviors, Jennifer E. Lansford, Kirby Deater-Deckard, Kenneth A. Dodge, John E. Bates, and Gregory S. Pettit Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry (2004). Doan On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Doan wrote: Hahaha! Once again, Kane demonstrated his stupidity in public! He twisted and he turned; anything he can to avoid the truth! Doan On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: Hahaha! Kane is showing hist stupidity again. Any one who has read the research on the effects of spanking on African American should know that that, unlike white European American, spankings were associates with lesser misbehavior and aggression. It is the lack of spanking that has been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher misbehavior and agression in the Black community. Not so, monkeyboy. Prove your claim. References: Deater-Deckard, K., Bates, J.E., Dodge, K.A., Pettit, G.S. (1996). Physical discipline among African American and European American mothers: Links to children?s externalizing behaviors. Developmental Psychology, 32, 1065-1072. R R R ....I notice you included NOTHING of their actual conclusions or other significant portions of their research report...not even an abstract. Tsk. Let's see what it actually says, in the abstract, shall we eh? Unlike you, who appear to be trying to conceal, as in LIE, I've even provided the link: http://www.indiana.edu/~batessdl/cdp_abstracts.html#961 "1996 * Deater-Deckard, K., Dodge, K.A., Bates, J.E., & Pettit, G.S. (1996). Physical discipline among African-American and European-American mothers: Links to children's externalizing behaviors. Developmental Psychology, 32, 1065-1072. The aim of this study was to test whether the relation between physical discipline and child aggression was moderated by ethnic-group status. A sample of 466 European American and 100 African American children from a broad range of socioeconomic levels were followed from kindergarten through 3rd grade. Mothers reported their use of physical discipline in interviews and questionnaires, and mothers, teachers, and peers rated children's externalizing problems annually. The interaction between ethnic status and discipline was significant for teacher- and peer-rated externalizing scores; physical discipline was associated with higher externalizing scores, but only among European American children. These findings provide evidence that the link between physical punishment and child aggression may be culturally specific. " Now, Doan, The Monkeyboy, if they were as sure of YOUR claim as you seem to be, why did they use the term, "may be" as in culturally specific? You will notice, chuckle this was NOT an observational longitudinal study, but a series of INTERVIEWS. The answered were scored. We can guess pretty well, given other studies of theirs, what that socioeconomic levels were in the 100 AA families as compared to the Euro Am families to the count of 466. They didn't lie, but YOU most certainly did, or more likely are just exhibiting your continuing stupidity and determined ignorance. You draw conclusions that to not follow from the source provided. Try again, stupid monkeyboy. I provided a link. I expect you to meet the same level of response. And you seem to be falling behind in your english comprehension classes again. The title of this article I provided isn't "research shows," it's, "Views" Native English speakers usually recognize that quickly as "Opinion" and it was not offered under any other claim than "Argument" from my title. Neither of the words related to research. As for the research you cite, but carefully don't link to, I'd like to see the protocols for research, the methodology, if you will. I'd like to see what YOU are calling "a lack of spanking." Lots of room for abuse of the language and logic in that little phrase, monkeyboy. I note this is from a 1996 study. I quote an opinion from 2006. He seems to disagree, as Black man, with the findings you have poorly cited. Many do, some very highly respected in the Black community and the society at large, such as "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long opposed the use of corporal punishment." I presume he's tenured and a researcher. Apparently he and these other leading Black community members don't agree with the claim YOU are claiming the study YOU have poorly cited is making: http://www.stophitting.com/disatschool/aaLeadsBanCP.php The signed this statement and it's publicly posted, so they are obviously willing to stand up and be counted. And you will see people from many professions and followings such as Christian churches included. Your cause is corrupt, Doan. Worn out old ignorant superstition, not scientifically supported, nor is it morally supported, even by those YOU and a few other sycophants would like to claim spanking is good. There is no justifiable reason for using corporal punishment to teach or control a child. None. And these Black leaders know it too. Mr. Muwakkil is expressing a new sentiment that is rapidly taking hold. Read it an weep, little apologist for the compulsives. 0:- "No one knew 30 years ago how traumatic spanking was to a child's psyche. You should avoid using physical force on your child." .. DR. ALVIN POUSSAINT Doan On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: ... spanking, of course. http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/2812/ Views September 8, 2006 Web Only Corporal Punishment�s Hidden Costs By Salim Muwakkil If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage corporal punishment among African Americans, I believe it would do more to stem the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy. An errant bullet hit the eye of a 12-year-old Chicago girl on August 27 but she survived. Earlier this year, stray bullets killed two girls in separate incidents in the city�s Englewood neighborhood and triggered a flurry of activity designed to address the chronic violence hammering Chicago�s inner-city neighborhoods. In black communities across the United States, concerned people are gathering with increasing urgency, seeking solutions to rising rates of violence. Let me add one suggestion that is not likely to be raised at any of these gatherings: Stop spanking your children. If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage corporal punishment among African-Americans, I believe it would do more to stem the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy. Experts are increasingly fingering corporal punishment�the infliction of physical pain on the body of a child for purposes of punishment or controlling behavior�as the culprit in a wide variety of social dysfunctions. A host of relevant professional organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological Association and the National Association of Social Workers have published position papers opposing or strongly discouraging corporal punishment of children. International research on the deleterious effects of physical punishment is so compelling that the United Nations has initiated a global program to eliminate it. Not only is corporal punishment of children a violation of human rights, the United Nations argued in a 2005 UNESCO publication, that according to a preponderance of research, it is also �counterproductive, relatively ineffective, dangerous and harmful.� In 1979, Sweden became the first country in the world to ban all corporal punishment of children. Twelve more European countries have followed: Denmark, Norway, Finland, Austria, Cyprus, Italy, Croatia, Latvia, Germany, Bulgaria, Ukraine and Iceland. Leaders in these countries concluded that the costs of corporal punishment were too high for a society that called itself civilized. Despite this wide consensus on the ills of corporal punishment, there is scant sentiment for an anti-spanking movement among African Americans. But that may be changing. Growing numbers of experts who focus on the black community, are also raising questions about the high costs of using physical violence to punish children. Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long opposed the use of corporal punishment. His major argument is simple: �the use of corporal punishment teaches children that violence is the way to solve problems.� Poussaint, who was an adviser to the popular program �The Cosby Show,� says corporal punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the black community. At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger. �There�s an overuse of beating kids,� he said, breaking a major taboo among black leadership by raising this issue. �So that you have 80 percent of black parents believing you should beat them�beat the devil out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they get.� High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that anger. According to figures from the Department of Justice�s Bureau of Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime. In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than ten times the white rate. Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty, segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal responsibility and cultural standards. There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaint�s anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesn�t make sense is that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence. One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) |
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.... another mindless spewing babble.... On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: Hahaha! Once again, Kane demonstrated his stupidity in public! He twisted and he turned; anything he can to avoid the truth! Doan Hey there, Monkeyboy. Fabulous debating skill. Your argument is so unique to you. Hihihi! And tore you apart every time! You are delusional. Nope! You are! R R R R R Apparently there is some disagreement what the "research" you claim says, and what it really says. AND, apparently some disagreement in the Black community with the results of a 1996 study. http://nospank.net/poussaint-release.pdf It didn't say anything about the particular research I cited, STUPID! Why not, monkeyboy? Afraid to have it read in full? Huh? I already have, STUPID. What does it say anything about the research I cited, STUPID? That's the truth, boy. You can't handle the truth! ;-) Just did, stupid. NOpe, STUPID! You can't even handle what you post, unless you butcher it by context abortion. Hahaha! Is that another "abreaction"? AF AF 0:- 0:- On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: Hahaha! Kane is showing hist stupidity again. Any one who has read the research on the effects of spanking on African American should know that that, unlike white European American, spankings were associates with lesser misbehavior and aggression. It is the lack of spanking that has been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher misbehavior and agression in the Black community. Not so, monkeyboy. Prove your claim. References: Deater-Deckard, K., Bates, J.E., Dodge, K.A., Pettit, G.S. (1996). Physical discipline among African American and European American mothers: Links to children?s externalizing behaviors. Developmental Psychology, 32, 1065-1072. R R R ....I notice you included NOTHING of their actual conclusions or other significant portions of their research report...not even an abstract. Tsk. Let's see what it actually says, in the abstract, shall we eh? Unlike you, who appear to be trying to conceal, as in LIE, I've even provided the link: http://www.indiana.edu/~batessdl/cdp_abstracts.html#961 "1996 * Deater-Deckard, K., Dodge, K.A., Bates, J.E., & Pettit, G.S. (1996). Physical discipline among African-American and European-American mothers: Links to children's externalizing behaviors. Developmental Psychology, 32, 1065-1072. The aim of this study was to test whether the relation between physical discipline and child aggression was moderated by ethnic-group status. A sample of 466 European American and 100 African American children from a broad range of socioeconomic levels were followed from kindergarten through 3rd grade. Mothers reported their use of physical discipline in interviews and questionnaires, and mothers, teachers, and peers rated children's externalizing problems annually. The interaction between ethnic status and discipline was significant for teacher- and peer-rated externalizing scores; physical discipline was associated with higher externalizing scores, but only among European American children. These findings provide evidence that the link between physical punishment and child aggression may be culturally specific. " Now, Doan, The Monkeyboy, if they were as sure of YOUR claim as you seem to be, why did they use the term, "may be" as in culturally specific? You will notice, chuckle this was NOT an observational longitudinal study, but a series of INTERVIEWS. The answered were scored. We can guess pretty well, given other studies of theirs, what that socioeconomic levels were in the 100 AA families as compared to the Euro Am families to the count of 466. They didn't lie, but YOU most certainly did, or more likely are just exhibiting your continuing stupidity and determined ignorance. You draw conclusions that to not follow from the source provided. Try again, stupid monkeyboy. I provided a link. I expect you to meet the same level of response. And you seem to be falling behind in your english comprehension classes again. The title of this article I provided isn't "research shows," it's, "Views" Native English speakers usually recognize that quickly as "Opinion" and it was not offered under any other claim than "Argument" from my title. Neither of the words related to research. As for the research you cite, but carefully don't link to, I'd like to see the protocols for research, the methodology, if you will. I'd like to see what YOU are calling "a lack of spanking." Lots of room for abuse of the language and logic in that little phrase, monkeyboy. I note this is from a 1996 study. I quote an opinion from 2006. He seems to disagree, as Black man, with the findings you have poorly cited. Many do, some very highly respected in the Black community and the society at large, such as "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long opposed the use of corporal punishment." I presume he's tenured and a researcher. Apparently he and these other leading Black community members don't agree with the claim YOU are claiming the study YOU have poorly cited is making: http://www.stophitting.com/disatschool/aaLeadsBanCP.php The signed this statement and it's publicly posted, so they are obviously willing to stand up and be counted. And you will see people from many professions and followings such as Christian churches included. Your cause is corrupt, Doan. Worn out old ignorant superstition, not scientifically supported, nor is it morally supported, even by those YOU and a few other sycophants would like to claim spanking is good. There is no justifiable reason for using corporal punishment to teach or control a child. None. And these Black leaders know it too. Mr. Muwakkil is expressing a new sentiment that is rapidly taking hold. Read it an weep, little apologist for the compulsives. 0:- "No one knew 30 years ago how traumatic spanking was to a child's psyche. You should avoid using physical force on your child." .. DR. ALVIN POUSSAINT Doan On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: ... spanking, of course. http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/2812/ Views September 8, 2006 Web Only Corporal Punishment�s Hidden Costs By Salim Muwakkil If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage corporal punishment among African Americans, I believe it would do more to stem the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy. An errant bullet hit the eye of a 12-year-old Chicago girl on August 27 but she survived. Earlier this year, stray bullets killed two girls in separate incidents in the city�s Englewood neighborhood and triggered a flurry of activity designed to address the chronic violence hammering Chicago�s inner-city neighborhoods. In black communities across the United States, concerned people are gathering with increasing urgency, seeking solutions to rising rates of violence. Let me add one suggestion that is not likely to be raised at any of these gatherings: Stop spanking your children. If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage corporal punishment among African-Americans, I believe it would do more to stem the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy. Experts are increasingly fingering corporal punishment�the infliction of physical pain on the body of a child for purposes of punishment or controlling behavior�as the culprit in a wide variety of social dysfunctions. A host of relevant professional organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological Association and the National Association of Social Workers have published position papers opposing or strongly discouraging corporal punishment of children. International research on the deleterious effects of physical punishment is so compelling that the United Nations has initiated a global program to eliminate it. Not only is corporal punishment of children a violation of human rights, the United Nations argued in a 2005 UNESCO publication, that according to a preponderance of research, it is also �counterproductive, relatively ineffective, dangerous and harmful.� In 1979, Sweden became the first country in the world to ban all corporal punishment of children. Twelve more European countries have followed: Denmark, Norway, Finland, Austria, Cyprus, Italy, Croatia, Latvia, Germany, Bulgaria, Ukraine and Iceland. Leaders in these countries concluded that the costs of corporal punishment were too high for a society that called itself civilized. Despite this wide consensus on the ills of corporal punishment, there is scant sentiment for an anti-spanking movement among African Americans. But that may be changing. Growing numbers of experts who focus on the black community, are also raising questions about the high costs of using physical violence to punish children. Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long opposed the use of corporal punishment. His major argument is simple: �the use of corporal punishment teaches children that violence is the way to solve problems.� Poussaint, who was an adviser to the popular program �The Cosby Show,� says corporal punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the black community. At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger. �There�s an overuse of beating kids,� he said, breaking a major taboo among black leadership by raising this issue. �So that you have 80 percent of black parents believing you should beat them�beat the devil out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they get.� High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that anger. According to figures from the Department of Justice�s Bureau of Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime. In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than ten times the white rate. Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty, segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal responsibility and cultural standards. There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaint�s anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesn�t make sense is that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence. One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) |
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Argument to the Black community on ...
Doan wrote:
....yet more incoherent babbling spew from the Ranting, Screeching, Hysterical, Dancing, Monkeyboy. .... On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: Hahaha! Once again, Kane demonstrated his stupidity in public! He twisted and he turned; anything he can to avoid the truth! Let's see now. It was YOU, stupid monkeyboy that did not provide a link, while it was I that did, to the material you claimed supported your stupid "It is the lack of spanking that has been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher misbehavior and agression in the Black community." [sic] It showed nothing of the sort. Hahaha! Showing your STUPIDITY, again. Can even understand what the research say. YOU ARE STUPID! Try again, liar. 0:- The only liar here is you! ;-) AF Doan On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: Hahaha! Kane is showing hist stupidity again. Any one who has read the research on the effects of spanking on African American should know that that, unlike white European American, spankings were associates with lesser misbehavior and aggression. It is the lack of spanking that has been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher misbehavior and agression in the Black community. Not so, monkeyboy. Prove your claim. References: Deater-Deckard, K., Bates, J.E., Dodge, K.A., Pettit, G.S. (1996). Physical discipline among African American and European American mothers: Links to children?s externalizing behaviors. Developmental Psychology, 32, 1065-1072. R R R ....I notice you included NOTHING of their actual conclusions or other significant portions of their research report...not even an abstract. Tsk. Let's see what it actually says, in the abstract, shall we eh? Unlike you, who appear to be trying to conceal, as in LIE, I've even provided the link: http://www.indiana.edu/~batessdl/cdp_abstracts.html#961 "1996 * Deater-Deckard, K., Dodge, K.A., Bates, J.E., & Pettit, G.S. (1996). Physical discipline among African-American and European-American mothers: Links to children's externalizing behaviors. Developmental Psychology, 32, 1065-1072. The aim of this study was to test whether the relation between physical discipline and child aggression was moderated by ethnic-group status. A sample of 466 European American and 100 African American children from a broad range of socioeconomic levels were followed from kindergarten through 3rd grade. Mothers reported their use of physical discipline in interviews and questionnaires, and mothers, teachers, and peers rated children's externalizing problems annually. The interaction between ethnic status and discipline was significant for teacher- and peer-rated externalizing scores; physical discipline was associated with higher externalizing scores, but only among European American children. These findings provide evidence that the link between physical punishment and child aggression may be culturally specific. " Now, Doan, The Monkeyboy, if they were as sure of YOUR claim as you seem to be, why did they use the term, "may be" as in culturally specific? You will notice, chuckle this was NOT an observational longitudinal study, but a series of INTERVIEWS. The answered were scored. We can guess pretty well, given other studies of theirs, what that socioeconomic levels were in the 100 AA families as compared to the Euro Am families to the count of 466. They didn't lie, but YOU most certainly did, or more likely are just exhibiting your continuing stupidity and determined ignorance. You draw conclusions that to not follow from the source provided. Try again, stupid monkeyboy. I provided a link. I expect you to meet the same level of response. And you seem to be falling behind in your english comprehension classes again. The title of this article I provided isn't "research shows," it's, "Views" Native English speakers usually recognize that quickly as "Opinion" and it was not offered under any other claim than "Argument" from my title. Neither of the words related to research. As for the research you cite, but carefully don't link to, I'd like to see the protocols for research, the methodology, if you will. I'd like to see what YOU are calling "a lack of spanking." Lots of room for abuse of the language and logic in that little phrase, monkeyboy. I note this is from a 1996 study. I quote an opinion from 2006. He seems to disagree, as Black man, with the findings you have poorly cited. Many do, some very highly respected in the Black community and the society at large, such as "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long opposed the use of corporal punishment." I presume he's tenured and a researcher. Apparently he and these other leading Black community members don't agree with the claim YOU are claiming the study YOU have poorly cited is making: http://www.stophitting.com/disatschool/aaLeadsBanCP.php The signed this statement and it's publicly posted, so they are obviously willing to stand up and be counted. And you will see people from many professions and followings such as Christian churches included. Your cause is corrupt, Doan. Worn out old ignorant superstition, not scientifically supported, nor is it morally supported, even by those YOU and a few other sycophants would like to claim spanking is good. There is no justifiable reason for using corporal punishment to teach or control a child. None. And these Black leaders know it too. Mr. Muwakkil is expressing a new sentiment that is rapidly taking hold. Read it an weep, little apologist for the compulsives. 0:- "No one knew 30 years ago how traumatic spanking was to a child's psyche. You should avoid using physical force on your child." .. DR. ALVIN POUSSAINT Doan On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: ... spanking, of course. http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/2812/ Views September 8, 2006 Web Only Corporal Punishment�s Hidden Costs By Salim Muwakkil If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage corporal punishment among African Americans, I believe it would do more to stem the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy. An errant bullet hit the eye of a 12-year-old Chicago girl on August 27 but she survived. Earlier this year, stray bullets killed two girls in separate incidents in the city�s Englewood neighborhood and triggered a flurry of activity designed to address the chronic violence hammering Chicago�s inner-city neighborhoods. In black communities across the United States, concerned people are gathering with increasing urgency, seeking solutions to rising rates of violence. Let me add one suggestion that is not likely to be raised at any of these gatherings: Stop spanking your children. If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage corporal punishment among African-Americans, I believe it would do more to stem the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy. Experts are increasingly fingering corporal punishment�the infliction of physical pain on the body of a child for purposes of punishment or controlling behavior�as the culprit in a wide variety of social dysfunctions. A host of relevant professional organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological Association and the National Association of Social Workers have published position papers opposing or strongly discouraging corporal punishment of children. International research on the deleterious effects of physical punishment is so compelling that the United Nations has initiated a global program to eliminate it. Not only is corporal punishment of children a violation of human rights, the United Nations argued in a 2005 UNESCO publication, that according to a preponderance of research, it is also �counterproductive, relatively ineffective, dangerous and harmful.� In 1979, Sweden became the first country in the world to ban all corporal punishment of children. Twelve more European countries have followed: Denmark, Norway, Finland, Austria, Cyprus, Italy, Croatia, Latvia, Germany, Bulgaria, Ukraine and Iceland. Leaders in these countries concluded that the costs of corporal punishment were too high for a society that called itself civilized. Despite this wide consensus on the ills of corporal punishment, there is scant sentiment for an anti-spanking movement among African Americans. But that may be changing. Growing numbers of experts who focus on the black community, are also raising questions about the high costs of using physical violence to punish children. Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long opposed the use of corporal punishment. His major argument is simple: �the use of corporal punishment teaches children that violence is the way to solve problems.� Poussaint, who was an adviser to the popular program �The Cosby Show,� says corporal punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the black community. At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger. �There�s an overuse of beating kids,� he said, breaking a major taboo among black leadership by raising this issue. �So that you have 80 percent of black parents believing you should beat them�beat the devil out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they get.� High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that anger. According to figures from the Department of Justice�s Bureau of Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime. In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than ten times the white rate. Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty, segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal responsibility and cultural standards. There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaint�s anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesn�t make sense is that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence. One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) |
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Argument to the Black community on ...
Doan wrote:
More study on the benefit of spanking on Black community. "Regression slops showed that the experience of physical discipline at each time point was related to higher level of externalizing behaviors for European American adlolescents but lower level of externalizing behaviors for African American adolescents." Doesn't support your claim of "It is the lack of spanking that has been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher misbehavior and agression in the Black community,"[sic] now does it, dummy? Buy the way, what is a "regression slops?" Sources: Ethnic differences in the link between physical discipline and later adolescent externalizing behaviors, Jennifer E. Lansford, Kirby Deater-Deckard, Kenneth A. Dodge, John E. Bates, and Gregory S. Pettit Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry (2004). We weren't arguing ethnic differences. The article I posted did not mention Caucasians, and neither did I. The question is, and still unproven by you, "It is the lack of spanking that has been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher misbehavior and agression in the Black community." Try again, stupid little monkeyboy. 0:- Doan On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Doan wrote: Hahaha! Once again, Kane demonstrated his stupidity in public! He twisted and he turned; anything he can to avoid the truth! Doan On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: Hahaha! Kane is showing hist stupidity again. Any one who has read the research on the effects of spanking on African American should know that that, unlike white European American, spankings were associates with lesser misbehavior and aggression. It is the lack of spanking that has been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher misbehavior and agression in the Black community. Not so, monkeyboy. Prove your claim. References: Deater-Deckard, K., Bates, J.E., Dodge, K.A., Pettit, G.S. (1996). Physical discipline among African American and European American mothers: Links to children?s externalizing behaviors. Developmental Psychology, 32, 1065-1072. R R R ....I notice you included NOTHING of their actual conclusions or other significant portions of their research report...not even an abstract. Tsk. Let's see what it actually says, in the abstract, shall we eh? Unlike you, who appear to be trying to conceal, as in LIE, I've even provided the link: http://www.indiana.edu/~batessdl/cdp_abstracts.html#961 "1996 * Deater-Deckard, K., Dodge, K.A., Bates, J.E., & Pettit, G.S. (1996). Physical discipline among African-American and European-American mothers: Links to children's externalizing behaviors. Developmental Psychology, 32, 1065-1072. The aim of this study was to test whether the relation between physical discipline and child aggression was moderated by ethnic-group status. A sample of 466 European American and 100 African American children from a broad range of socioeconomic levels were followed from kindergarten through 3rd grade. Mothers reported their use of physical discipline in interviews and questionnaires, and mothers, teachers, and peers rated children's externalizing problems annually. The interaction between ethnic status and discipline was significant for teacher- and peer-rated externalizing scores; physical discipline was associated with higher externalizing scores, but only among European American children. These findings provide evidence that the link between physical punishment and child aggression may be culturally specific. " Now, Doan, The Monkeyboy, if they were as sure of YOUR claim as you seem to be, why did they use the term, "may be" as in culturally specific? You will notice, chuckle this was NOT an observational longitudinal study, but a series of INTERVIEWS. The answered were scored. We can guess pretty well, given other studies of theirs, what that socioeconomic levels were in the 100 AA families as compared to the Euro Am families to the count of 466. They didn't lie, but YOU most certainly did, or more likely are just exhibiting your continuing stupidity and determined ignorance. You draw conclusions that to not follow from the source provided. Try again, stupid monkeyboy. I provided a link. I expect you to meet the same level of response. And you seem to be falling behind in your english comprehension classes again. The title of this article I provided isn't "research shows," it's, "Views" Native English speakers usually recognize that quickly as "Opinion" and it was not offered under any other claim than "Argument" from my title. Neither of the words related to research. As for the research you cite, but carefully don't link to, I'd like to see the protocols for research, the methodology, if you will. I'd like to see what YOU are calling "a lack of spanking." Lots of room for abuse of the language and logic in that little phrase, monkeyboy. I note this is from a 1996 study. I quote an opinion from 2006. He seems to disagree, as Black man, with the findings you have poorly cited. Many do, some very highly respected in the Black community and the society at large, such as "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long opposed the use of corporal punishment." I presume he's tenured and a researcher. Apparently he and these other leading Black community members don't agree with the claim YOU are claiming the study YOU have poorly cited is making: http://www.stophitting.com/disatschool/aaLeadsBanCP.php The signed this statement and it's publicly posted, so they are obviously willing to stand up and be counted. And you will see people from many professions and followings such as Christian churches included. Your cause is corrupt, Doan. Worn out old ignorant superstition, not scientifically supported, nor is it morally supported, even by those YOU and a few other sycophants would like to claim spanking is good. There is no justifiable reason for using corporal punishment to teach or control a child. None. And these Black leaders know it too. Mr. Muwakkil is expressing a new sentiment that is rapidly taking hold. Read it an weep, little apologist for the compulsives. 0:- "No one knew 30 years ago how traumatic spanking was to a child's psyche. You should avoid using physical force on your child." .. DR. ALVIN POUSSAINT Doan On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: ... spanking, of course. http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/2812/ Views September 8, 2006 Web Only Corporal Punishment�s Hidden Costs By Salim Muwakkil If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage corporal punishment among African Americans, I believe it would do more to stem the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy. An errant bullet hit the eye of a 12-year-old Chicago girl on August 27 but she survived. Earlier this year, stray bullets killed two girls in separate incidents in the city�s Englewood neighborhood and triggered a flurry of activity designed to address the chronic violence hammering Chicago�s inner-city neighborhoods. In black communities across the United States, concerned people are gathering with increasing urgency, seeking solutions to rising rates of violence. Let me add one suggestion that is not likely to be raised at any of these gatherings: Stop spanking your children. If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage corporal punishment among African-Americans, I believe it would do more to stem the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy. Experts are increasingly fingering corporal punishment�the infliction of physical pain on the body of a child for purposes of punishment or controlling behavior�as the culprit in a wide variety of social dysfunctions. A host of relevant professional organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological Association and the National Association of Social Workers have published position papers opposing or strongly discouraging corporal punishment of children. International research on the deleterious effects of physical punishment is so compelling that the United Nations has initiated a global program to eliminate it. Not only is corporal punishment of children a violation of human rights, the United Nations argued in a 2005 UNESCO publication, that according to a preponderance of research, it is also �counterproductive, relatively ineffective, dangerous and harmful.� In 1979, Sweden became the first country in the world to ban all corporal punishment of children. Twelve more European countries have followed: Denmark, Norway, Finland, Austria, Cyprus, Italy, Croatia, Latvia, Germany, Bulgaria, Ukraine and Iceland. Leaders in these countries concluded that the costs of corporal punishment were too high for a society that called itself civilized. Despite this wide consensus on the ills of corporal punishment, there is scant sentiment for an anti-spanking movement among African Americans. But that may be changing. Growing numbers of experts who focus on the black community, are also raising questions about the high costs of using physical violence to punish children. Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long opposed the use of corporal punishment. His major argument is simple: �the use of corporal punishment teaches children that violence is the way to solve problems.� Poussaint, who was an adviser to the popular program �The Cosby Show,� says corporal punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the black community. At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger. �There�s an overuse of beating kids,� he said, breaking a major taboo among black leadership by raising this issue. �So that you have 80 percent of black parents believing you should beat them�beat the devil out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they get.� High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that anger. According to figures from the Department of Justice�s Bureau of Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime. In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than ten times the white rate. Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty, segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal responsibility and cultural standards. There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaint�s anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesn�t make sense is that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence. One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. 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A another stupid post from a STUPID person known as Kane0. That's nine less than a Kane9. ;-) Doan On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: ... another mindless spewing babble.... On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: Hahaha! Once again, Kane demonstrated his stupidity in public! He twisted and he turned; anything he can to avoid the truth! Doan Hey there, Monkeyboy. Fabulous debating skill. Your argument is so unique to you. Hihihi! And tore you apart every time! You are delusional. Nope! You are! R R R R R Apparently there is some disagreement what the "research" you claim says, and what it really says. AND, apparently some disagreement in the Black community with the results of a 1996 study. http://nospank.net/poussaint-release.pdf It didn't say anything about the particular research I cited, STUPID! Why not, monkeyboy? Afraid to have it read in full? Huh? I already have, STUPID. What does it say anything about the research I cited, STUPID? That's the truth, boy. You can't handle the truth! ;-) Just did, stupid. NOpe, STUPID! You can't even handle what you post, unless you butcher it by context abortion. Hahaha! Is that another "abreaction"? AF AF 0:- 0:- On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: Hahaha! Kane is showing hist stupidity again. Any one who has read the research on the effects of spanking on African American should know that that, unlike white European American, spankings were associates with lesser misbehavior and aggression. It is the lack of spanking that has been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher misbehavior and agression in the Black community. Not so, monkeyboy. Prove your claim. References: Deater-Deckard, K., Bates, J.E., Dodge, K.A., Pettit, G.S. (1996). Physical discipline among African American and European American mothers: Links to children?s externalizing behaviors. Developmental Psychology, 32, 1065-1072. R R R ....I notice you included NOTHING of their actual conclusions or other significant portions of their research report...not even an abstract. Tsk. Let's see what it actually says, in the abstract, shall we eh? Unlike you, who appear to be trying to conceal, as in LIE, I've even provided the link: http://www.indiana.edu/~batessdl/cdp_abstracts.html#961 "1996 * Deater-Deckard, K., Dodge, K.A., Bates, J.E., & Pettit, G.S. (1996). Physical discipline among African-American and European-American mothers: Links to children's externalizing behaviors. Developmental Psychology, 32, 1065-1072. The aim of this study was to test whether the relation between physical discipline and child aggression was moderated by ethnic-group status. A sample of 466 European American and 100 African American children from a broad range of socioeconomic levels were followed from kindergarten through 3rd grade. Mothers reported their use of physical discipline in interviews and questionnaires, and mothers, teachers, and peers rated children's externalizing problems annually. The interaction between ethnic status and discipline was significant for teacher- and peer-rated externalizing scores; physical discipline was associated with higher externalizing scores, but only among European American children. These findings provide evidence that the link between physical punishment and child aggression may be culturally specific. " Now, Doan, The Monkeyboy, if they were as sure of YOUR claim as you seem to be, why did they use the term, "may be" as in culturally specific? You will notice, chuckle this was NOT an observational longitudinal study, but a series of INTERVIEWS. The answered were scored. We can guess pretty well, given other studies of theirs, what that socioeconomic levels were in the 100 AA families as compared to the Euro Am families to the count of 466. They didn't lie, but YOU most certainly did, or more likely are just exhibiting your continuing stupidity and determined ignorance. You draw conclusions that to not follow from the source provided. Try again, stupid monkeyboy. I provided a link. I expect you to meet the same level of response. And you seem to be falling behind in your english comprehension classes again. The title of this article I provided isn't "research shows," it's, "Views" Native English speakers usually recognize that quickly as "Opinion" and it was not offered under any other claim than "Argument" from my title. Neither of the words related to research. As for the research you cite, but carefully don't link to, I'd like to see the protocols for research, the methodology, if you will. I'd like to see what YOU are calling "a lack of spanking." Lots of room for abuse of the language and logic in that little phrase, monkeyboy. I note this is from a 1996 study. I quote an opinion from 2006. He seems to disagree, as Black man, with the findings you have poorly cited. Many do, some very highly respected in the Black community and the society at large, such as "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long opposed the use of corporal punishment." I presume he's tenured and a researcher. Apparently he and these other leading Black community members don't agree with the claim YOU are claiming the study YOU have poorly cited is making: http://www.stophitting.com/disatschool/aaLeadsBanCP.php The signed this statement and it's publicly posted, so they are obviously willing to stand up and be counted. And you will see people from many professions and followings such as Christian churches included. Your cause is corrupt, Doan. Worn out old ignorant superstition, not scientifically supported, nor is it morally supported, even by those YOU and a few other sycophants would like to claim spanking is good. There is no justifiable reason for using corporal punishment to teach or control a child. None. And these Black leaders know it too. Mr. Muwakkil is expressing a new sentiment that is rapidly taking hold. Read it an weep, little apologist for the compulsives. 0:- "No one knew 30 years ago how traumatic spanking was to a child's psyche. You should avoid using physical force on your child." .. DR. ALVIN POUSSAINT Doan On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: ... spanking, of course. http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/2812/ Views September 8, 2006 Web Only Corporal Punishment�s Hidden Costs By Salim Muwakkil If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage corporal punishment among African Americans, I believe it would do more to stem the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy. An errant bullet hit the eye of a 12-year-old Chicago girl on August 27 but she survived. Earlier this year, stray bullets killed two girls in separate incidents in the city�s Englewood neighborhood and triggered a flurry of activity designed to address the chronic violence hammering Chicago�s inner-city neighborhoods. In black communities across the United States, concerned people are gathering with increasing urgency, seeking solutions to rising rates of violence. Let me add one suggestion that is not likely to be raised at any of these gatherings: Stop spanking your children. If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage corporal punishment among African-Americans, I believe it would do more to stem the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy. Experts are increasingly fingering corporal punishment�the infliction of physical pain on the body of a child for purposes of punishment or controlling behavior�as the culprit in a wide variety of social dysfunctions. A host of relevant professional organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological Association and the National Association of Social Workers have published position papers opposing or strongly discouraging corporal punishment of children. International research on the deleterious effects of physical punishment is so compelling that the United Nations has initiated a global program to eliminate it. Not only is corporal punishment of children a violation of human rights, the United Nations argued in a 2005 UNESCO publication, that according to a preponderance of research, it is also �counterproductive, relatively ineffective, dangerous and harmful.� In 1979, Sweden became the first country in the world to ban all corporal punishment of children. Twelve more European countries have followed: Denmark, Norway, Finland, Austria, Cyprus, Italy, Croatia, Latvia, Germany, Bulgaria, Ukraine and Iceland. Leaders in these countries concluded that the costs of corporal punishment were too high for a society that called itself civilized. Despite this wide consensus on the ills of corporal punishment, there is scant sentiment for an anti-spanking movement among African Americans. But that may be changing. Growing numbers of experts who focus on the black community, are also raising questions about the high costs of using physical violence to punish children. Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long opposed the use of corporal punishment. His major argument is simple: �the use of corporal punishment teaches children that violence is the way to solve problems.� Poussaint, who was an adviser to the popular program �The Cosby Show,� says corporal punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the black community. At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger. �There�s an overuse of beating kids,� he said, breaking a major taboo among black leadership by raising this issue. �So that you have 80 percent of black parents believing you should beat them�beat the devil out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they get.� High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that anger. According to figures from the Department of Justice�s Bureau of Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime. In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than ten times the white rate. Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty, segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal responsibility and cultural standards. There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaint�s anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesn�t make sense is that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence. One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) |
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Yet more STUPIDITY from anti-spanking zealotS, whose mother taught that it is ok to call other women a "smelly-****"! What a testament to the anti-spanking agenda! ;-) Doan On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: ...yet more incoherent babbling spew from the Ranting, Screeching, Hysterical, Dancing, Monkeyboy. .... On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: Hahaha! Once again, Kane demonstrated his stupidity in public! He twisted and he turned; anything he can to avoid the truth! Let's see now. It was YOU, stupid monkeyboy that did not provide a link, while it was I that did, to the material you claimed supported your stupid "It is the lack of spanking that has been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher misbehavior and agression in the Black community." [sic] It showed nothing of the sort. Hahaha! Showing your STUPIDITY, again. Can even understand what the research say. YOU ARE STUPID! Try again, liar. 0:- The only liar here is you! ;-) AF Doan On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: Hahaha! Kane is showing hist stupidity again. Any one who has read the research on the effects of spanking on African American should know that that, unlike white European American, spankings were associates with lesser misbehavior and aggression. It is the lack of spanking that has been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher misbehavior and agression in the Black community. Not so, monkeyboy. Prove your claim. References: Deater-Deckard, K., Bates, J.E., Dodge, K.A., Pettit, G.S. (1996). Physical discipline among African American and European American mothers: Links to children?s externalizing behaviors. Developmental Psychology, 32, 1065-1072. R R R ....I notice you included NOTHING of their actual conclusions or other significant portions of their research report...not even an abstract. Tsk. Let's see what it actually says, in the abstract, shall we eh? Unlike you, who appear to be trying to conceal, as in LIE, I've even provided the link: http://www.indiana.edu/~batessdl/cdp_abstracts.html#961 "1996 * Deater-Deckard, K., Dodge, K.A., Bates, J.E., & Pettit, G.S. (1996). Physical discipline among African-American and European-American mothers: Links to children's externalizing behaviors. Developmental Psychology, 32, 1065-1072. The aim of this study was to test whether the relation between physical discipline and child aggression was moderated by ethnic-group status. A sample of 466 European American and 100 African American children from a broad range of socioeconomic levels were followed from kindergarten through 3rd grade. Mothers reported their use of physical discipline in interviews and questionnaires, and mothers, teachers, and peers rated children's externalizing problems annually. The interaction between ethnic status and discipline was significant for teacher- and peer-rated externalizing scores; physical discipline was associated with higher externalizing scores, but only among European American children. These findings provide evidence that the link between physical punishment and child aggression may be culturally specific. " Now, Doan, The Monkeyboy, if they were as sure of YOUR claim as you seem to be, why did they use the term, "may be" as in culturally specific? You will notice, chuckle this was NOT an observational longitudinal study, but a series of INTERVIEWS. The answered were scored. We can guess pretty well, given other studies of theirs, what that socioeconomic levels were in the 100 AA families as compared to the Euro Am families to the count of 466. They didn't lie, but YOU most certainly did, or more likely are just exhibiting your continuing stupidity and determined ignorance. You draw conclusions that to not follow from the source provided. Try again, stupid monkeyboy. I provided a link. I expect you to meet the same level of response. And you seem to be falling behind in your english comprehension classes again. The title of this article I provided isn't "research shows," it's, "Views" Native English speakers usually recognize that quickly as "Opinion" and it was not offered under any other claim than "Argument" from my title. Neither of the words related to research. As for the research you cite, but carefully don't link to, I'd like to see the protocols for research, the methodology, if you will. I'd like to see what YOU are calling "a lack of spanking." Lots of room for abuse of the language and logic in that little phrase, monkeyboy. I note this is from a 1996 study. I quote an opinion from 2006. He seems to disagree, as Black man, with the findings you have poorly cited. Many do, some very highly respected in the Black community and the society at large, such as "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long opposed the use of corporal punishment." I presume he's tenured and a researcher. Apparently he and these other leading Black community members don't agree with the claim YOU are claiming the study YOU have poorly cited is making: http://www.stophitting.com/disatschool/aaLeadsBanCP.php The signed this statement and it's publicly posted, so they are obviously willing to stand up and be counted. And you will see people from many professions and followings such as Christian churches included. Your cause is corrupt, Doan. Worn out old ignorant superstition, not scientifically supported, nor is it morally supported, even by those YOU and a few other sycophants would like to claim spanking is good. There is no justifiable reason for using corporal punishment to teach or control a child. None. And these Black leaders know it too. Mr. Muwakkil is expressing a new sentiment that is rapidly taking hold. Read it an weep, little apologist for the compulsives. 0:- "No one knew 30 years ago how traumatic spanking was to a child's psyche. You should avoid using physical force on your child." .. DR. ALVIN POUSSAINT Doan On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: ... spanking, of course. http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/2812/ Views September 8, 2006 Web Only Corporal Punishment�s Hidden Costs By Salim Muwakkil If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage corporal punishment among African Americans, I believe it would do more to stem the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy. An errant bullet hit the eye of a 12-year-old Chicago girl on August 27 but she survived. Earlier this year, stray bullets killed two girls in separate incidents in the city�s Englewood neighborhood and triggered a flurry of activity designed to address the chronic violence hammering Chicago�s inner-city neighborhoods. In black communities across the United States, concerned people are gathering with increasing urgency, seeking solutions to rising rates of violence. Let me add one suggestion that is not likely to be raised at any of these gatherings: Stop spanking your children. If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage corporal punishment among African-Americans, I believe it would do more to stem the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy. Experts are increasingly fingering corporal punishment�the infliction of physical pain on the body of a child for purposes of punishment or controlling behavior�as the culprit in a wide variety of social dysfunctions. A host of relevant professional organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological Association and the National Association of Social Workers have published position papers opposing or strongly discouraging corporal punishment of children. International research on the deleterious effects of physical punishment is so compelling that the United Nations has initiated a global program to eliminate it. Not only is corporal punishment of children a violation of human rights, the United Nations argued in a 2005 UNESCO publication, that according to a preponderance of research, it is also �counterproductive, relatively ineffective, dangerous and harmful.� In 1979, Sweden became the first country in the world to ban all corporal punishment of children. Twelve more European countries have followed: Denmark, Norway, Finland, Austria, Cyprus, Italy, Croatia, Latvia, Germany, Bulgaria, Ukraine and Iceland. Leaders in these countries concluded that the costs of corporal punishment were too high for a society that called itself civilized. Despite this wide consensus on the ills of corporal punishment, there is scant sentiment for an anti-spanking movement among African Americans. But that may be changing. Growing numbers of experts who focus on the black community, are also raising questions about the high costs of using physical violence to punish children. Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long opposed the use of corporal punishment. His major argument is simple: �the use of corporal punishment teaches children that violence is the way to solve problems.� Poussaint, who was an adviser to the popular program �The Cosby Show,� says corporal punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the black community. At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger. �There�s an overuse of beating kids,� he said, breaking a major taboo among black leadership by raising this issue. �So that you have 80 percent of black parents believing you should beat them�beat the devil out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they get.� High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that anger. According to figures from the Department of Justice�s Bureau of Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime. In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than ten times the white rate. Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty, segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal responsibility and cultural standards. There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaint�s anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesn�t make sense is that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence. One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) |
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On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote:
Doan wrote: Hahaha! Once again, Kane demonstrated his stupidity in public! He twisted and he turned; anything he can to avoid the truth! Let's see now. It was YOU, stupid monkeyboy that did not provide a link, while it was I that did, to the material you claimed supported your stupid "It is the lack of spanking that has been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher misbehavior and agression in the Black community." [sic] It showed nothing of the sort. I provided the reference, STUPID. For $11.95 you can get a copy he http://content.apa.org/journals/dev/32/6/1065.html Try again, liar. 0:- Hihihi! The prove liar here is YOU! Doan Doan On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: Hahaha! Kane is showing hist stupidity again. Any one who has read the research on the effects of spanking on African American should know that that, unlike white European American, spankings were associates with lesser misbehavior and aggression. It is the lack of spanking that has been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher misbehavior and agression in the Black community. Not so, monkeyboy. Prove your claim. References: Deater-Deckard, K., Bates, J.E., Dodge, K.A., Pettit, G.S. (1996). Physical discipline among African American and European American mothers: Links to children?s externalizing behaviors. Developmental Psychology, 32, 1065-1072. R R R ....I notice you included NOTHING of their actual conclusions or other significant portions of their research report...not even an abstract. Tsk. Let's see what it actually says, in the abstract, shall we eh? Unlike you, who appear to be trying to conceal, as in LIE, I've even provided the link: http://www.indiana.edu/~batessdl/cdp_abstracts.html#961 "1996 * Deater-Deckard, K., Dodge, K.A., Bates, J.E., & Pettit, G.S. (1996). Physical discipline among African-American and European-American mothers: Links to children's externalizing behaviors. Developmental Psychology, 32, 1065-1072. The aim of this study was to test whether the relation between physical discipline and child aggression was moderated by ethnic-group status. A sample of 466 European American and 100 African American children from a broad range of socioeconomic levels were followed from kindergarten through 3rd grade. Mothers reported their use of physical discipline in interviews and questionnaires, and mothers, teachers, and peers rated children's externalizing problems annually. The interaction between ethnic status and discipline was significant for teacher- and peer-rated externalizing scores; physical discipline was associated with higher externalizing scores, but only among European American children. These findings provide evidence that the link between physical punishment and child aggression may be culturally specific. " Now, Doan, The Monkeyboy, if they were as sure of YOUR claim as you seem to be, why did they use the term, "may be" as in culturally specific? You will notice, chuckle this was NOT an observational longitudinal study, but a series of INTERVIEWS. The answered were scored. We can guess pretty well, given other studies of theirs, what that socioeconomic levels were in the 100 AA families as compared to the Euro Am families to the count of 466. They didn't lie, but YOU most certainly did, or more likely are just exhibiting your continuing stupidity and determined ignorance. You draw conclusions that to not follow from the source provided. Try again, stupid monkeyboy. I provided a link. I expect you to meet the same level of response. And you seem to be falling behind in your english comprehension classes again. The title of this article I provided isn't "research shows," it's, "Views" Native English speakers usually recognize that quickly as "Opinion" and it was not offered under any other claim than "Argument" from my title. Neither of the words related to research. As for the research you cite, but carefully don't link to, I'd like to see the protocols for research, the methodology, if you will. I'd like to see what YOU are calling "a lack of spanking." Lots of room for abuse of the language and logic in that little phrase, monkeyboy. I note this is from a 1996 study. I quote an opinion from 2006. He seems to disagree, as Black man, with the findings you have poorly cited. Many do, some very highly respected in the Black community and the society at large, such as "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long opposed the use of corporal punishment." I presume he's tenured and a researcher. Apparently he and these other leading Black community members don't agree with the claim YOU are claiming the study YOU have poorly cited is making: http://www.stophitting.com/disatschool/aaLeadsBanCP.php The signed this statement and it's publicly posted, so they are obviously willing to stand up and be counted. And you will see people from many professions and followings such as Christian churches included. Your cause is corrupt, Doan. Worn out old ignorant superstition, not scientifically supported, nor is it morally supported, even by those YOU and a few other sycophants would like to claim spanking is good. There is no justifiable reason for using corporal punishment to teach or control a child. None. And these Black leaders know it too. Mr. Muwakkil is expressing a new sentiment that is rapidly taking hold. Read it an weep, little apologist for the compulsives. 0:- "No one knew 30 years ago how traumatic spanking was to a child's psyche. You should avoid using physical force on your child." .. DR. ALVIN POUSSAINT Doan On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: ... spanking, of course. http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/2812/ Views September 8, 2006 Web Only Corporal Punishment�s Hidden Costs By Salim Muwakkil If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage corporal punishment among African Americans, I believe it would do more to stem the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy. An errant bullet hit the eye of a 12-year-old Chicago girl on August 27 but she survived. Earlier this year, stray bullets killed two girls in separate incidents in the city�s Englewood neighborhood and triggered a flurry of activity designed to address the chronic violence hammering Chicago�s inner-city neighborhoods. In black communities across the United States, concerned people are gathering with increasing urgency, seeking solutions to rising rates of violence. Let me add one suggestion that is not likely to be raised at any of these gatherings: Stop spanking your children. If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage corporal punishment among African-Americans, I believe it would do more to stem the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy. Experts are increasingly fingering corporal punishment�the infliction of physical pain on the body of a child for purposes of punishment or controlling behavior�as the culprit in a wide variety of social dysfunctions. A host of relevant professional organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological Association and the National Association of Social Workers have published position papers opposing or strongly discouraging corporal punishment of children. International research on the deleterious effects of physical punishment is so compelling that the United Nations has initiated a global program to eliminate it. Not only is corporal punishment of children a violation of human rights, the United Nations argued in a 2005 UNESCO publication, that according to a preponderance of research, it is also �counterproductive, relatively ineffective, dangerous and harmful.� In 1979, Sweden became the first country in the world to ban all corporal punishment of children. Twelve more European countries have followed: Denmark, Norway, Finland, Austria, Cyprus, Italy, Croatia, Latvia, Germany, Bulgaria, Ukraine and Iceland. Leaders in these countries concluded that the costs of corporal punishment were too high for a society that called itself civilized. Despite this wide consensus on the ills of corporal punishment, there is scant sentiment for an anti-spanking movement among African Americans. But that may be changing. Growing numbers of experts who focus on the black community, are also raising questions about the high costs of using physical violence to punish children. Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long opposed the use of corporal punishment. His major argument is simple: �the use of corporal punishment teaches children that violence is the way to solve problems.� Poussaint, who was an adviser to the popular program �The Cosby Show,� says corporal punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the black community. At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger. �There�s an overuse of beating kids,� he said, breaking a major taboo among black leadership by raising this issue. �So that you have 80 percent of black parents believing you should beat them�beat the devil out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they get.� High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that anger. According to figures from the Department of Justice�s Bureau of Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime. In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than ten times the white rate. Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty, segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal responsibility and cultural standards. There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaint�s anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesn�t make sense is that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence. One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. 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On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: Hahaha! Kane is showing hist stupidity again. Any one who has read the research on the effects of spanking on African American should know that that, unlike white European American, spankings were associates with lesser misbehavior and aggression. It is the lack of spanking that has been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher misbehavior and agression in the Black community. Not so, monkeyboy. Prove your claim. Hihihi! Here is a more recent study: More study on the benefit of spanking on Black community. "Regression slopes showed that the experience of physical discipline at each time point was related to higher level of externalizing behaviors for European American adlolescents but lower level of externalizing behaviors for African American adolescents." Sources: Ethnic differences in the link between physical discipline and later adolescent externalizing behaviors, Jennifer E. Lansford, Kirby Deater-Deckard, Kenneth A. Dodge, John E. Bates, and Gregory S. Pettit Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry (2004). References: Deater-Deckard, K., Bates, J.E., Dodge, K.A., Pettit, G.S. (1996). Physical discipline among African American and European American mothers: Links to children?s externalizing behaviors. Developmental Psychology, 32, 1065-1072. R R R ....I notice you included NOTHING of their actual conclusions or other significant portions of their research report...not even an abstract. Tsk. Let's see what it actually says, in the abstract, shall we eh? Unlike you, who appear to be trying to conceal, as in LIE, I've even provided the link: Hihihi! The "never-spanked" boy tried his "formidable research skill" again. http://www.indiana.edu/~batessdl/cdp_abstracts.html#961 "1996 * Deater-Deckard, K., Dodge, K.A., Bates, J.E., & Pettit, G.S. (1996). Physical discipline among African-American and European-American mothers: Links to children's externalizing behaviors. Developmental Psychology, 32, 1065-1072. The aim of this study was to test whether the relation between physical discipline and child aggression was moderated by ethnic-group status. A sample of 466 European American and 100 African American children from a broad range of socioeconomic levels were followed from kindergarten through 3rd grade. Mothers reported their use of physical discipline in interviews and questionnaires, and mothers, teachers, and peers rated children's externalizing problems annually. The interaction between ethnic status and discipline was significant for teacher- and peer-rated externalizing scores; physical discipline was associated with higher externalizing scores, but only among European American children. These findings provide evidence that the link between physical punishment and child aggression may be culturally specific. " Now, Doan, The Monkeyboy, if they were as sure of YOUR claim as you seem to be, why did they use the term, "may be" as in culturally specific? Which part of "but only among European American children" don't you understand? You will notice, chuckle this was NOT an observational longitudinal study, but a series of INTERVIEWS. The answered were scored. Hihihi! Do you even understand what you are saying? Why don't you ask your master LaVonne for a lesson in research methodology? STOP making a fool of yourself, STUPID! We can guess pretty well, given other studies of theirs, what that socioeconomic levels were in the 100 AA families as compared to the Euro Am families to the count of 466. Hihihi! What a fool! They didn't lie, but YOU most certainly did, or more likely are just exhibiting your continuing stupidity and determined ignorance. That you describing yourself! ;-) You draw conclusions that to not follow from the source provided. Hihihi! Which part of "but only among European American children" don't you understand? Try again, stupid monkeyboy. Hihihi! Back to adhom again. How predictable you are! I provided a link. I expect you to meet the same level of response. I'll do better than that. I'll even provide the original source: http://content.apa.org/journals/dev/32/6/1065 And you seem to be falling behind in your english comprehension classes again. Hihihi! Which par of "but only among European American children" don't you understand, "never-spanked" boy? The title of this article I provided isn't "research shows," it's, "Views" Hahaha! That's a laugh! So you don't even have a research to back it up. Native English speakers usually recognize that quickly as "Opinion" and it was not offered under any other claim than "Argument" from my title. Yup! "Opininion" is like an asshole; everybody got one! ;-) Neither of the words related to research. Hihihi! So you want provide "opinion" instead of facts! As for the research you cite, but carefully don't link to, I'd like to see the protocols for research, the methodology, if you will. Look it up with your "formidable research skill"! ;-) I'd like to see what YOU are calling "a lack of spanking." Lots of room for abuse of the language and logic in that little phrase, monkeyboy. Hihihi! I note this is from a 1996 study. Facts. I quote an opinion from 2006. vs. opinion. He seems to disagree, as Black man, with the findings you have poorly cited. Hahaha! Do you even read what you wrote? Many do, some very highly respected in the Black community and the society at large, such as "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long opposed the use of corporal punishment." What research has he authored? I presume he's tenured and a researcher. Appealing to Authority. A logical flaw! ;-) Apparently he and these other leading Black community members don't agree with the claim YOU are claiming the study YOU have poorly cited is making: Opinion vs. facts! QED! Doan http://www.stophitting.com/disatschool/aaLeadsBanCP.php The signed this statement and it's publicly posted, so they are obviously willing to stand up and be counted. And you will see people from many professions and followings such as Christian churches included. Your cause is corrupt, Doan. Worn out old ignorant superstition, not scientifically supported, nor is it morally supported, even by those YOU and a few other sycophants would like to claim spanking is good. There is no justifiable reason for using corporal punishment to teach or control a child. None. And these Black leaders know it too. Mr. Muwakkil is expressing a new sentiment that is rapidly taking hold. Read it an weep, little apologist for the compulsives. 0:- "No one knew 30 years ago how traumatic spanking was to a child's psyche. You should avoid using physical force on your child." .. DR. ALVIN POUSSAINT Doan On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: ... spanking, of course. http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/2812/ Views September 8, 2006 Web Only Corporal Punishment�s Hidden Costs By Salim Muwakkil If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage corporal punishment among African Americans, I believe it would do more to stem the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy. An errant bullet hit the eye of a 12-year-old Chicago girl on August 27 but she survived. Earlier this year, stray bullets killed two girls in separate incidents in the city�s Englewood neighborhood and triggered a flurry of activity designed to address the chronic violence hammering Chicago�s inner-city neighborhoods. In black communities across the United States, concerned people are gathering with increasing urgency, seeking solutions to rising rates of violence. Let me add one suggestion that is not likely to be raised at any of these gatherings: Stop spanking your children. If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage corporal punishment among African-Americans, I believe it would do more to stem the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy. Experts are increasingly fingering corporal punishment�the infliction of physical pain on the body of a child for purposes of punishment or controlling behavior�as the culprit in a wide variety of social dysfunctions. A host of relevant professional organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological Association and the National Association of Social Workers have published position papers opposing or strongly discouraging corporal punishment of children. International research on the deleterious effects of physical punishment is so compelling that the United Nations has initiated a global program to eliminate it. Not only is corporal punishment of children a violation of human rights, the United Nations argued in a 2005 UNESCO publication, that according to a preponderance of research, it is also �counterproductive, relatively ineffective, dangerous and harmful.� In 1979, Sweden became the first country in the world to ban all corporal punishment of children. Twelve more European countries have followed: Denmark, Norway, Finland, Austria, Cyprus, Italy, Croatia, Latvia, Germany, Bulgaria, Ukraine and Iceland. Leaders in these countries concluded that the costs of corporal punishment were too high for a society that called itself civilized. Despite this wide consensus on the ills of corporal punishment, there is scant sentiment for an anti-spanking movement among African Americans. But that may be changing. Growing numbers of experts who focus on the black community, are also raising questions about the high costs of using physical violence to punish children. Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long opposed the use of corporal punishment. His major argument is simple: �the use of corporal punishment teaches children that violence is the way to solve problems.� Poussaint, who was an adviser to the popular program �The Cosby Show,� says corporal punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the black community. At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger. �There�s an overuse of beating kids,� he said, breaking a major taboo among black leadership by raising this issue. �So that you have 80 percent of black parents believing you should beat them�beat the devil out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they get.� High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that anger. According to figures from the Department of Justice�s Bureau of Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime. In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than ten times the white rate. Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty, segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal responsibility and cultural standards. There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaint�s anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesn�t make sense is that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence. One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) |
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Doan wrote:
Yet more STUPIDITY from anti-spanking zealotS, whose mother taught that it is ok to call other women a "smelly-****"! What a testament to the anti-spanking agenda! ;-) Note the title of thread opening post by Fern http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...fe075d d87035 " Cocksucker Cardinal George refuses to talk to the victims of pedophile priests (Why transgendered Cathol Fixed font - Proportional font From: Fern5827 - view profile Date: Wed, Oct 30 2002 7:53 am Email: (Fern5827) Groups: alt.support.child-protective-services" Yep, those pro spankers are certainly polite and obscenity free. Doan On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: ...yet more incoherent babbling spew from the Ranting, Screeching, Hysterical, Dancing, Monkeyboy. .... On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: Hahaha! Once again, Kane demonstrated his stupidity in public! He twisted and he turned; anything he can to avoid the truth! Let's see now. It was YOU, stupid monkeyboy that did not provide a link, while it was I that did, to the material you claimed supported your stupid "It is the lack of spanking that has been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher misbehavior and agression in the Black community." [sic] It showed nothing of the sort. Hahaha! Showing your STUPIDITY, again. Can even understand what the research say. YOU ARE STUPID! Try again, liar. 0:- The only liar here is you! ;-) AF Doan On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: Hahaha! Kane is showing hist stupidity again. Any one who has read the research on the effects of spanking on African American should know that that, unlike white European American, spankings were associates with lesser misbehavior and aggression. It is the lack of spanking that has been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher misbehavior and agression in the Black community. Not so, monkeyboy. Prove your claim. References: Deater-Deckard, K., Bates, J.E., Dodge, K.A., Pettit, G.S. (1996). Physical discipline among African American and European American mothers: Links to children?s externalizing behaviors. Developmental Psychology, 32, 1065-1072. R R R ....I notice you included NOTHING of their actual conclusions or other significant portions of their research report...not even an abstract. Tsk. Let's see what it actually says, in the abstract, shall we eh? Unlike you, who appear to be trying to conceal, as in LIE, I've even provided the link: http://www.indiana.edu/~batessdl/cdp_abstracts.html#961 "1996 * Deater-Deckard, K., Dodge, K.A., Bates, J.E., & Pettit, G.S. (1996). Physical discipline among African-American and European-American mothers: Links to children's externalizing behaviors. Developmental Psychology, 32, 1065-1072. The aim of this study was to test whether the relation between physical discipline and child aggression was moderated by ethnic-group status. A sample of 466 European American and 100 African American children from a broad range of socioeconomic levels were followed from kindergarten through 3rd grade. Mothers reported their use of physical discipline in interviews and questionnaires, and mothers, teachers, and peers rated children's externalizing problems annually. The interaction between ethnic status and discipline was significant for teacher- and peer-rated externalizing scores; physical discipline was associated with higher externalizing scores, but only among European American children. These findings provide evidence that the link between physical punishment and child aggression may be culturally specific. " Now, Doan, The Monkeyboy, if they were as sure of YOUR claim as you seem to be, why did they use the term, "may be" as in culturally specific? You will notice, chuckle this was NOT an observational longitudinal study, but a series of INTERVIEWS. The answered were scored. We can guess pretty well, given other studies of theirs, what that socioeconomic levels were in the 100 AA families as compared to the Euro Am families to the count of 466. They didn't lie, but YOU most certainly did, or more likely are just exhibiting your continuing stupidity and determined ignorance. You draw conclusions that to not follow from the source provided. Try again, stupid monkeyboy. I provided a link. I expect you to meet the same level of response. And you seem to be falling behind in your english comprehension classes again. The title of this article I provided isn't "research shows," it's, "Views" Native English speakers usually recognize that quickly as "Opinion" and it was not offered under any other claim than "Argument" from my title. Neither of the words related to research. As for the research you cite, but carefully don't link to, I'd like to see the protocols for research, the methodology, if you will. I'd like to see what YOU are calling "a lack of spanking." Lots of room for abuse of the language and logic in that little phrase, monkeyboy. I note this is from a 1996 study. I quote an opinion from 2006. He seems to disagree, as Black man, with the findings you have poorly cited. Many do, some very highly respected in the Black community and the society at large, such as "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long opposed the use of corporal punishment." I presume he's tenured and a researcher. Apparently he and these other leading Black community members don't agree with the claim YOU are claiming the study YOU have poorly cited is making: http://www.stophitting.com/disatschool/aaLeadsBanCP.php The signed this statement and it's publicly posted, so they are obviously willing to stand up and be counted. And you will see people from many professions and followings such as Christian churches included. Your cause is corrupt, Doan. Worn out old ignorant superstition, not scientifically supported, nor is it morally supported, even by those YOU and a few other sycophants would like to claim spanking is good. There is no justifiable reason for using corporal punishment to teach or control a child. None. And these Black leaders know it too. Mr. Muwakkil is expressing a new sentiment that is rapidly taking hold. Read it an weep, little apologist for the compulsives. 0:- "No one knew 30 years ago how traumatic spanking was to a child's psyche. You should avoid using physical force on your child." .. DR. ALVIN POUSSAINT Doan On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: ... spanking, of course. http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/2812/ Views September 8, 2006 Web Only Corporal Punishment�s Hidden Costs By Salim Muwakkil If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage corporal punishment among African Americans, I believe it would do more to stem the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy. An errant bullet hit the eye of a 12-year-old Chicago girl on August 27 but she survived. Earlier this year, stray bullets killed two girls in separate incidents in the city�s Englewood neighborhood and triggered a flurry of activity designed to address the chronic violence hammering Chicago�s inner-city neighborhoods. In black communities across the United States, concerned people are gathering with increasing urgency, seeking solutions to rising rates of violence. Let me add one suggestion that is not likely to be raised at any of these gatherings: Stop spanking your children. If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage corporal punishment among African-Americans, I believe it would do more to stem the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy. Experts are increasingly fingering corporal punishment�the infliction of physical pain on the body of a child for purposes of punishment or controlling behavior�as the culprit in a wide variety of social dysfunctions. A host of relevant professional organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological Association and the National Association of Social Workers have published position papers opposing or strongly discouraging corporal punishment of children. International research on the deleterious effects of physical punishment is so compelling that the United Nations has initiated a global program to eliminate it. Not only is corporal punishment of children a violation of human rights, the United Nations argued in a 2005 UNESCO publication, that according to a preponderance of research, it is also �counterproductive, relatively ineffective, dangerous and harmful.� In 1979, Sweden became the first country in the world to ban all corporal punishment of children. Twelve more European countries have followed: Denmark, Norway, Finland, Austria, Cyprus, Italy, Croatia, Latvia, Germany, Bulgaria, Ukraine and Iceland. Leaders in these countries concluded that the costs of corporal punishment were too high for a society that called itself civilized. Despite this wide consensus on the ills of corporal punishment, there is scant sentiment for an anti-spanking movement among African Americans. But that may be changing. Growing numbers of experts who focus on the black community, are also raising questions about the high costs of using physical violence to punish children. Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long opposed the use of corporal punishment. His major argument is simple: �the use of corporal punishment teaches children that violence is the way to solve problems.� Poussaint, who was an adviser to the popular program �The Cosby Show,� says corporal punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the black community. At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger. �There�s an overuse of beating kids,� he said, breaking a major taboo among black leadership by raising this issue. �So that you have 80 percent of black parents believing you should beat them�beat the devil out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they get.� High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that anger. According to figures from the Department of Justice�s Bureau of Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime. In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than ten times the white rate. Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty, segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal responsibility and cultural standards. There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaint�s anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesn�t make sense is that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence. One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) |
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Way to go Doan!
Watch him try DENIAL, attack the sources, anything to try to weasel out of acceptance! He's like a CATHARTIC kid with oppositional defiant disorder who just can't understand WHY you had the nerve to SPANK him. Doan wrote: On Mon, 11 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: Hahaha! Kane is showing hist stupidity again. Any one who has read the research on the effects of spanking on African American should know that that, unlike white European American, spankings were associates with lesser misbehavior and aggression. It is the lack of spanking that has been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher misbehavior and agression in the Black community. Not so, monkeyboy. Prove your claim. Hihihi! Here is a more recent study: More study on the benefit of spanking on Black community. "Regression slopes showed that the experience of physical discipline at each time point was related to higher level of externalizing behaviors for European American adlolescents but lower level of externalizing behaviors for African American adolescents." Sources: Ethnic differences in the link between physical discipline and later adolescent externalizing behaviors, Jennifer E. Lansford, Kirby Deater-Deckard, Kenneth A. Dodge, John E. Bates, and Gregory S. Pettit Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry (2004). References: Deater-Deckard, K., Bates, J.E., Dodge, K.A., Pettit, G.S. (1996). Physical discipline among African American and European American mothers: Links to children?s externalizing behaviors. Developmental Psychology, 32, 1065-1072. R R R ....I notice you included NOTHING of their actual conclusions or other significant portions of their research report...not even an abstract. Tsk. Let's see what it actually says, in the abstract, shall we eh? Unlike you, who appear to be trying to conceal, as in LIE, I've even provided the link: Hihihi! The "never-spanked" boy tried his "formidable research skill" again. http://www.indiana.edu/~batessdl/cdp_abstracts.html#961 "1996 * Deater-Deckard, K., Dodge, K.A., Bates, J.E., & Pettit, G.S. (1996). Physical discipline among African-American and European-American mothers: Links to children's externalizing behaviors. Developmental Psychology, 32, 1065-1072. The aim of this study was to test whether the relation between physical discipline and child aggression was moderated by ethnic-group status. A sample of 466 European American and 100 African American children from a broad range of socioeconomic levels were followed from kindergarten through 3rd grade. Mothers reported their use of physical discipline in interviews and questionnaires, and mothers, teachers, and peers rated children's externalizing problems annually. The interaction between ethnic status and discipline was significant for teacher- and peer-rated externalizing scores; physical discipline was associated with higher externalizing scores, but only among European American children. These findings provide evidence that the link between physical punishment and child aggression may be culturally specific. " Now, Doan, The Monkeyboy, if they were as sure of YOUR claim as you seem to be, why did they use the term, "may be" as in culturally specific? Which part of "but only among European American children" don't you understand? You will notice, chuckle this was NOT an observational longitudinal study, but a series of INTERVIEWS. The answered were scored. Hihihi! Do you even understand what you are saying? Why don't you ask your master LaVonne for a lesson in research methodology? STOP making a fool of yourself, STUPID! We can guess pretty well, given other studies of theirs, what that socioeconomic levels were in the 100 AA families as compared to the Euro Am families to the count of 466. Hihihi! What a fool! They didn't lie, but YOU most certainly did, or more likely are just exhibiting your continuing stupidity and determined ignorance. That you describing yourself! ;-) You draw conclusions that to not follow from the source provided. Hihihi! Which part of "but only among European American children" don't you understand? Try again, stupid monkeyboy. Hihihi! Back to adhom again. How predictable you are! I provided a link. I expect you to meet the same level of response. I'll do better than that. I'll even provide the original source: http://content.apa.org/journals/dev/32/6/1065 And you seem to be falling behind in your english comprehension classes again. Hihihi! Which par of "but only among European American children" don't you understand, "never-spanked" boy? The title of this article I provided isn't "research shows," it's, "Views" Hahaha! That's a laugh! So you don't even have a research to back it up. Native English speakers usually recognize that quickly as "Opinion" and it was not offered under any other claim than "Argument" from my title. Yup! "Opininion" is like an asshole; everybody got one! ;-) Neither of the words related to research. Hihihi! So you want provide "opinion" instead of facts! As for the research you cite, but carefully don't link to, I'd like to see the protocols for research, the methodology, if you will. Look it up with your "formidable research skill"! ;-) I'd like to see what YOU are calling "a lack of spanking." Lots of room for abuse of the language and logic in that little phrase, monkeyboy. Hihihi! I note this is from a 1996 study. Facts. I quote an opinion from 2006. vs. opinion. He seems to disagree, as Black man, with the findings you have poorly cited. Hahaha! Do you even read what you wrote? Many do, some very highly respected in the Black community and the society at large, such as "Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long opposed the use of corporal punishment." What research has he authored? I presume he's tenured and a researcher. Appealing to Authority. A logical flaw! ;-) Apparently he and these other leading Black community members don't agree with the claim YOU are claiming the study YOU have poorly cited is making: Opinion vs. facts! QED! Doan http://www.stophitting.com/disatschool/aaLeadsBanCP.php The signed this statement and it's publicly posted, so they are obviously willing to stand up and be counted. And you will see people from many professions and followings such as Christian churches included. Your cause is corrupt, Doan. Worn out old ignorant superstition, not scientifically supported, nor is it morally supported, even by those YOU and a few other sycophants would like to claim spanking is good. There is no justifiable reason for using corporal punishment to teach or control a child. None. And these Black leaders know it too. Mr. Muwakkil is expressing a new sentiment that is rapidly taking hold. Read it an weep, little apologist for the compulsives. 0:- "No one knew 30 years ago how traumatic spanking was to a child's psyche. You should avoid using physical force on your child." .. DR. ALVIN POUSSAINT Doan On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote: ... spanking, of course. http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/2812/ Views September 8, 2006 Web Only Corporal Punishment?s Hidden Costs By Salim Muwakkil If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage corporal punishment among African Americans, I believe it would do more to stem the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy. An errant bullet hit the eye of a 12-year-old Chicago girl on August 27 but she survived. Earlier this year, stray bullets killed two girls in separate incidents in the city?s Englewood neighborhood and triggered a flurry of activity designed to address the chronic violence hammering Chicago?s inner-city neighborhoods. In black communities across the United States, concerned people are gathering with increasing urgency, seeking solutions to rising rates of violence. Let me add one suggestion that is not likely to be raised at any of these gatherings: Stop spanking your children. If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage corporal punishment among African-Americans, I believe it would do more to stem the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy. Experts are increasingly fingering corporal punishment?the infliction of physical pain on the body of a child for purposes of punishment or controlling behavior?as the culprit in a wide variety of social dysfunctions. A host of relevant professional organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological Association and the National Association of Social Workers have published position papers opposing or strongly discouraging corporal punishment of children. International research on the deleterious effects of physical punishment is so compelling that the United Nations has initiated a global program to eliminate it. Not only is corporal punishment of children a violation of human rights, the United Nations argued in a 2005 UNESCO publication, that according to a preponderance of research, it is also ?counterproductive, relatively ineffective, dangerous and harmful.? In 1979, Sweden became the first country in the world to ban all corporal punishment of children. Twelve more European countries have followed: Denmark, Norway, Finland, Austria, Cyprus, Italy, Croatia, Latvia, Germany, Bulgaria, Ukraine and Iceland. Leaders in these countries concluded that the costs of corporal punishment were too high for a society that called itself civilized. Despite this wide consensus on the ills of corporal punishment, there is scant sentiment for an anti-spanking movement among African Americans. But that may be changing. Growing numbers of experts who focus on the black community, are also raising questions about the high costs of using physical violence to punish children. Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has written extensively on African-American issues, has long opposed the use of corporal punishment. His major argument is simple: ?the use of corporal punishment teaches children that violence is the way to solve problems.? Poussaint, who was an adviser to the popular program ?The Cosby Show,? says corporal punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the black community. At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger. ?There?s an overuse of beating kids,? he said, breaking a major taboo among black leadership by raising this issue. ?So that you have 80 percent of black parents believing you should beat them?beat the devil out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they get.? High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that anger. According to figures from the Department of Justice?s Bureau of Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime. In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than ten times the white rate. Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty, segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal responsibility and cultural standards. There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaint?s anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesn?t make sense is that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence. One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else) |
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