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"Dave" wrote: "Mark" wrote in message m... Orac wrote I wouldn't be hanging out in this newsgroup if I weren't genuinely interested in alternative therapy. I'm particularly interested in finding out which ones may actually work. If you were genuinely interested in evaluating alternative therapies, you would have been interested enough in Bing Han Refined Ginseng Powder to at least check to see why it is different. You don't have to eat it, endorse it or support it, but you have no right to disparage something you know nothing about. That is ignorant and mean-spirited. Bull****. In the course of my exchanges with you, I looked up more actual scientific studies on the proposed benefits of Ginseng than YOU ever have. (Not difficult given that you clearly haven't looked up a single one.) You're just lazy and unwilling to evaluate evidence objectively, particularly if it might interfere with your MLM sales of Ginseng. -- Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent." | |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you | inconvenience me with questions?" |
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wrote in message ... Rich, You want evidence and proof of an alternative theory I simply mentioned to you. Discussing it is one thing, but demanding evidence on every line of convesation requires major research and justification. I didn't state it as a reason to stop you from taking vaccines and I'm not out to prove or disprove this theory. I don't have the time or research effort to do that, but if someone has, I'm interested. It's an alternative thought that relates to vaccine operation. If this interests you, look it up. If you don't find much, I wouldn't be surprised, because the first time that was mentioned to me was by a great healer I was having lunch with in 1986. We began watching that theory in relationship to his method. It appears to have merit. That's it. There are other reasons for believing vaccines are not the way to go in creating health. It doesn't mean those reasons are sufficient for the masses to stop using vaccines, especially in third world countries, but the theories behind them may lead to a new way of creating true health. Discard them all just because they don't fit your current concepts and you stifle medical advancements outside the box. Somewhere along the line if you want more from alternatives than you are getting, you will need to stop the intense demand for examined, classical proof and have the courage to look into the claims yourself with an objective eye. Here is what my objective eye sees: The vitral force conjecture has no objective evidence to back it up. And plenty of evidence to suggest that vaccines save lives by preventing polio, smallpox, measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis, mengititis, etc. illness. Please tell me what objective evidence I have missed about vaccine or the vital force conjecture that should make me take this conjecture seriously. Because someone can make a conjecture does not mean that the conjecture has the same validity of scientifically proven concepts or that the conjecture should be taken seriously. In philosophy, maybe. In science, no. Jeff I won't anticipate objections to that statement. It would be great if you could look hard enough at that to understand all that I am saying. Aloha no ka oi, Mike |
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"JG" wrote in message . .. "Jeff" wrote in message ... "Rich" ,@. wrote in message ... [...] If the anti-vacs have an "alternative" to vaccination then this is the group to discuss it in. They must of course provide some kind of evidence to support that their recommendation will be effective. They don't have an alternative that they can support with evidence. Quarantine. *Plenty* of evidence of its effectiveness. Anyone who denies that surveillance and containment measures played a pivotal role in eliminating smallpox should do some research. Ditto typhoid ("Typhoid Mary" ring a bell?). And, more recently (and further evincing your dearth of memory cells), SARS. An interesting article can be found at http://www.msnbc.com/news/911613.asp. ...As amp used to say, "Play again?" You have a valid point. Buy, what would quarantine have done what against polio, chicken pox, hepatitis and measles? Quarantine helps in certain situations, but it does not compare to vaccination in preventing illness or death from vaccine-preventable illnesses. As Amp used ot say, "Play again?" Jeff |
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"JG" wrote in message ...
"Jeff" wrote in message ... "Rich" ,@. wrote in message ... [...] If the anti-vacs have an "alternative" to vaccination then this is the group to discuss it in. They must of course provide some kind of evidence to support that their recommendation will be effective. They don't have an alternative that they can support with evidence. Quarantine. *Plenty* of evidence of its effectiveness. As a containment approach to limit second order infection, not as an approach to avoid primary infection. And then again, infectivity and diagnosis are not necessarily properly ordered making quarantine less than effective without presumption based on exposure - and by that time, it's already in the next level. If you quarantined the whole population..... Anyone who denies that surveillance and containment measures played a pivotal role in eliminating smallpox should do some research. But then again, smallpox immunization doesn't require that some get the disease first. Looking at the current proposals, it appears that quarantine with ring vaccination has the best likelihood of containmnet with the minimal number of downsides - under the assumption of terrorism. Ditto typhoid ("Typhoid Mary" ring a bell?). And, more recently (and further evincing your dearth of memory cells), SARS. An interesting article can be found at http://www.msnbc.com/news/911613.asp. No vaccine for SARS - if there had been one the whole mess could have been dealt with much differently. Typhoid mary preceeded typhoid vaccine by about 90 years. ...As amp used to say, "Play again?" OK - I played, - can you? js |
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One reason why vaccines _could_ be dangerous - somatids.
Anth wrote in message ... Rich, You want evidence and proof of an alternative theory I simply mentioned to you. Discussing it is one thing, but demanding evidence on every line of convesation requires major research and justification. I didn't state it as a reason to stop you from taking vaccines and I'm not out to prove or disprove this theory. I don't have the time or research effort to do that, but if someone has, I'm interested. It's an alternative thought that relates to vaccine operation. If this interests you, look it up. If you don't find much, I wouldn't be surprised, because the first time that was mentioned to me was by a great healer I was having lunch with in 1986. We began watching that theory in relationship to his method. It appears to have merit. That's it. There are other reasons for believing vaccines are not the way to go in creating health. It doesn't mean those reasons are sufficient for the masses to stop using vaccines, especially in third world countries, but the theories behind them may lead to a new way of creating true health. Discard them all just because they don't fit your current concepts and you stifle medical advancements outside the box. Somewhere along the line if you want more from alternatives than you are getting, you will need to stop the intense demand for examined, classical proof and have the courage to look into the claims yourself with an objective eye. I won't anticipate objections to that statement. It would be great if you could look hard enough at that to understand all that I am saying. Aloha no ka oi, Mike |
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