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taking children away from childbeating parents
wrote in message ... Taking children away from childbeaters is not only justified, but is necessary to break the vicious cycle of child abuse. Don't even give the parents a single chance at correcting their behavior? No education? No parenting classes? No alternatives to corporal punishment? Just throw away the key? |
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"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message . net...
wrote in message ... Taking children away from childbeaters is not only justified, but is necessary to break the vicious cycle of child abuse. Don't even give the parents a single chance at correcting their behavior? No education? No parenting classes? No alternatives to corporal punishment? Just throw away the key? A strange method in the year 2003. It happens also in 1942 in Poland. The Germans take away the kids from the parents in Poland. Have you seen this terrible film? It is a law from the Natu Take never away the kids from their own parents. Not in 1942 and also not in the future.bababbababa jamesLobax. |
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Dan,
I advocate for a legal ban on all spanking. I advocate for massive education and parenting classes which provide parents with not only a clear message that hitting children in the name of discipline is no longer legally or socially acceptable. I do not advocate jail for all parents who spank their children. For individuals who escalate the spanking, I would give parents a chance to correct their behavior, but not while their children are living in the household. I would not place a child in danger while his/her parents are being educated and learning to accept that beating is unacceptable. And there are times when I would advocate for jail and throwing away the key. We are talking about little children here, Dan. Children who cannot defend themselves. One doesn't beat children. One shouldn't hurt children. One shouldn't ever strike a child. Parents are trusted with the most important job they can ever have -- the job of being parents. And unlike other employees, little children cannot fire their parents, leave, or find new parents. Far too many parents get children back after abusing them. LaVonne Dan Sullivan wrote: wrote in message ... Taking children away from childbeaters is not only justified, but is necessary to break the vicious cycle of child abuse. Don't even give the parents a single chance at correcting their behavior? No education? No parenting classes? No alternatives to corporal punishment? Just throw away the key? |
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So you would sacrifice the lives of innocent and defenseless little children rather than remove them from their
biological parents? jlobax wrote: "Dan Sullivan" wrote in message . net... wrote in message ... Taking children away from childbeaters is not only justified, but is necessary to break the vicious cycle of child abuse. Don't even give the parents a single chance at correcting their behavior? No education? No parenting classes? No alternatives to corporal punishment? Just throw away the key? A strange method in the year 2003. It happens also in 1942 in Poland. The Germans take away the kids from the parents in Poland. Have you seen this terrible film? It is a law from the Natu Take never away the kids from their own parents. Not in 1942 and also not in the future.bababbababa jamesLobax. |
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taking children away from childbeating parents
"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message news "LaVonne Carlson" wrote in message ... Dan, Far too many people lose their children for no reason at all. And far too many people lose their children due to neglect. FYI there's a county in upstate NY where the founded rate for abuse is the same as the rest of the state BUT the founded rate for neglect is almost ZERO because the CPS CWs are trained to direct the families that need that type of assistance to OTHER social services agencies that will help correct the situation. RATHER than dragging those families thru the CPS system. It's a well known fact that nationwide CPS places far more children into FC for neglect than abuse. I am curious about this "well known fact" to which you refer. I have worked for CPS as a Social Worker, Treatment/Permanency Planning Worker, Investigator, Foster Care Licensing Worker and as a Supervisor for over ten years now in two different states and have never seen that to be true. Neglect is extremely hard to prove in court as there is less likely to be any visible evidence. Regardless of public opinion, there must be legal grounds/proof for a child to be removed from the home now the differences lie in the definition of those grounds as defined by each state or court system. If you want to talk about "well known facts" lets look at the long term effects of neglect compared to physical abuse. I think you will clearly see that neglect is far more detrimental to a child in the long run. The bruises heal rather quickly but the scars on the heart and mind last a lifetime. I agree with you that it would be much better to refer a family to community services to assist with issues of neglect however lets look at this realistically. Most communities do not have the resources nor the funds to provide such services. A lot of the time CPS is the only option and I completely agree it is not always the best. Community social service providers are few and far between in most communities. There's no money in it and if the agency charges for their services then a good portion of the families who need them will never be able to afford it. In my opinion, we would be far better off putting more money toward parenting programs, mentoring for parents and children, counseling, after school programs, and the like. However, from what I seen, people always talk about what "we" as a society should do and are all for it until the question of who is going to pay the bill comes up. It's okay for someone else to pay or the government to pay but no one wants to pay more taxes. Just my two cents worth. T |
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"TENTAN" wrote in message ...
"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message news "LaVonne Carlson" wrote in message ... Dan, Far too many people lose their children for no reason at all. And far too many people lose their children due to neglect. FYI there's a county in upstate NY where the founded rate for abuse is the same as the rest of the state BUT the founded rate for neglect is almost ZERO because the CPS CWs are trained to direct the families that need that type of assistance to OTHER social services agencies that will help correct the situation. RATHER than dragging those families thru the CPS system. It's a well known fact that nationwide CPS places far more children into FC for neglect than abuse. I am curious about this "well known fact" to which you refer. I have worked for CPS as a Social Worker, Treatment/Permanency Planning Worker, Investigator, Foster Care Licensing Worker and as a Supervisor for over ten years now in two different states and have never seen that to be true. Neglect is extremely hard to prove in court as there is less likely to be any visible evidence. Regardless of public opinion, there must be legal grounds/proof for a child to be removed from the home now the differences lie in the definition of those grounds as defined by each state or court system. If you want to talk about "well known facts" lets look at the long term effects of neglect compared to physical abuse. I think you will clearly see that neglect is far more detrimental to a child in the long run. The bruises heal rather quickly but the scars on the heart and mind last a lifetime. I agree with you that it would be much better to refer a family to community services to assist with issues of neglect however lets look at this realistically. Most communities do not have the resources nor the funds to provide such services. A lot of the time CPS is the only option and I completely agree it is not always the best. Community social service providers are few and far between in most communities. There's no money in it and if the agency charges for their services then a good portion of the families who need them will never be able to afford it. In my opinion, we would be far better off putting more money toward parenting programs, mentoring for parents and children, counseling, after school programs, and the like. However, from what I seen, people always talk about what "we" as a society should do and are all for it until the question of who is going to pay the bill comes up. It's okay for someone else to pay or the government to pay but no one wants to pay more taxes. Just my two cents worth. T **** you and your opinion you worked for C.P.S you are a liberal devil a ****ing know it all bitch! You probably do not have kids of your own and you know what is right for others go **** your self and die you dirt merchant bitch! I hope you die an thousand deaths!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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"TENTAN" wrote in message ... "Dan Sullivan" wrote in message news "LaVonne Carlson" wrote in message ... Dan, Far too many people lose their children for no reason at all. And far too many people lose their children due to neglect. FYI there's a county in upstate NY where the founded rate for abuse is the same as the rest of the state BUT the founded rate for neglect is almost ZERO because the CPS CWs are trained to direct the families that need that type of assistance to OTHER social services agencies that will help correct the situation. RATHER than dragging those families thru the CPS system. It's a well known fact that nationwide CPS places far more children into FC for neglect than abuse. I am curious about this "well known fact" to which you refer. The statistics were on the NCCAN website but they've changed things around. Apparently the statistic page breaking down the number of children by abuse as opposed to neglect is no longer available. I have worked for CPS as a Social Worker, Treatment/Permanency Planning Worker, Investigator, Foster Care Licensing Worker and as a Supervisor for over ten years now in two different states and have never seen that to be true. Which states? Neglect is extremely hard to prove in court as there is less likely to be any visible evidence. Regardless of public opinion, there must be legal grounds/proof for a child to be removed from the home now the differences lie in the definition of those grounds as defined by each state or court system. If you want to talk about "well known facts" lets look at the long term effects of neglect compared to physical abuse. I think you will clearly see that neglect is far more detrimental to a child in the long run. The bruises heal rather quickly but the scars on the heart and mind last a lifetime. I agree with you that it would be much better to refer a family to community services to assist with issues of neglect however lets look at this realistically. Most communities do not have the resources nor the funds to provide such services. A lot of the time CPS is the only option and I completely agree it is not always the best. Community social service providers are few and far between in most communities. There's no money in it and if the agency charges for their services then a good portion of the families who need them will never be able to afford it. In my opinion, we would be far better off putting more money toward parenting programs, mentoring for parents and children, counseling, after school programs, and the like. However, from what I seen, people always talk about what "we" as a society should do and are all for it until the question of who is going to pay the bill comes up. It's okay for someone else to pay or the government to pay but no one wants to pay more taxes. Just my two cents worth. T Thanks for your comments. Best, Dan Sullivan |
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