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US Govt Admits Vaccines Damage Children.
HCN ... what a silly criticism.
Head Quack Stephen Barrett has written his PRO CHEMICAL INDUSTRY, PRO VACCINATION propaganda for ACSH ... long and proudly funded by the Pharma / Chemo Industries ... he is so dishonest, he NEVER reveals that his funders are paid by them. Ms Pringle has provided an excellent overview of the NON INDUSTRY publications on this matter ... are you suggesting that anyone who doesn't goose step to the Chemo Industry Bandwagon should not have a voice? You and Probert seem to share the Magical Thinking that those injured from vaccinations should just die and their families should just accept their fate ... and not bother the poor Vac Industry with any compensation. Since being disbarred ... Probert apparently is now lobbying for the PRO VACCINATION lawyers and in his infinite Con Med idiocy ... is going to continue to attack anyone who supports the injured and their rights. http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...stProbert.html Disbarred for good reason & Lies about his Disbarment while flacking for Healthfrauds and Quacks http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...WatchWatch.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/blog.htm |
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US Govt Admits Vaccines Damage Children.
HCN /akaTDN thinks it is A OK for the CDC & FDA to have vested interest in
vaccines. "Ilena Rose" wrote in message ... HCN ... what a silly criticism. Head Quack Stephen Barrett has written his PRO CHEMICAL INDUSTRY, PRO VACCINATION propaganda for ACSH ... long and proudly funded by the Pharma / Chemo Industries ... he is so dishonest, he NEVER reveals that his funders are paid by them. Ms Pringle has provided an excellent overview of the NON INDUSTRY publications on this matter ... are you suggesting that anyone who doesn't goose step to the Chemo Industry Bandwagon should not have a voice? You and Probert seem to share the Magical Thinking that those injured from vaccinations should just die and their families should just accept their fate ... and not bother the poor Vac Industry with any compensation. Since being disbarred ... Probert apparently is now lobbying for the PRO VACCINATION lawyers and in his infinite Con Med idiocy ... is going to continue to attack anyone who supports the injured and their rights. http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...stProbert.html Disbarred for good reason & Lies about his Disbarment while flacking for Healthfrauds and Quacks http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...WatchWatch.htm www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/blog.htm |
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US Govt Admits Vaccines Damage Children.
"Jan Drew" wrote in message t... HCN /akaTDN thinks it is A OK for the CDC & FDA to have vested interest in vaccines. Neither the CDC nor the FDA manufacture or sell vaccines. Just how do you define "vested interest," Jan? -- --Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ |
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US Govt Admits Vaccines Damage Children.
"Jan Drew" wrote:
HCN /akaTDN Have you invented another spurious case of misidentification, Jan? Oh, that's right, just as all women in the world with four children are the same woman, all people who have a three-letter nick (or a nick which can be abbreviated to three letters) are the same person. Do you realise how idiotic this practice makes you look? -- Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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US Govt Admits Vaccines Damage Children.
"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message ... "Jan Drew" wrote: HCN /akaTDN I think it is high praise to be considered in the same league as Tsu Do Nimh... though I haven't seen her post for a very long time. Sadly... I am not her. Have you invented another spurious case of misidentification, Jan? Oh, that's right, just as all women in the world with four children are the same woman, all people who have a three-letter nick (or a nick which can be abbreviated to three letters) are the same person. Do you realise how idiotic this practice makes you look? -- Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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US Govt Admits Vaccines Damage Children.
"Rich" wrote: "Jan Drew" wrote in message t... HCN /akaTDN thinks it is A OK for the CDC & FDA to have vested interest in vaccines. Neither the CDC nor the FDA manufacture or sell vaccines. Just how do you define "vested interest," Jan? -- --Rich http://groups.google.com/group/misc....8a86d11?hl=en& and address the vested interest of the CDC and FDA and also the waviers, Aside form waving the words "vested interest" around, have you any shred of proof that anyone is on the take? Sorry, we aren't talking about *ME*. If the FDA were the lapdog of the pharmaceutical industry, as you claim, why did they refuse ImClone's application? DIVERSION SUPREME!!! 1. That members, including the Chair, of the FDA and CDC advisory committees who make these decisions own stock in drug companies that make vaccines. (could this possible have a bearing on HOW they vote,,,,,TDN??) 2. That individuals on both advisory committees own patents for vaccines under consideration or affected by the decisions of the committee. ( could this be a factor is HOW they vote TDN??) 3. That three out of five of the members of the FDA's advisory committee who voted for the rotavirus vaccine had conflicts of interest that were waived. ( Is this honest, TDN??) 4. That seven individuals of the 15 member FDA advisory committee were not present at the meeting, two others were excluded from the vote, and the remaining five were joined by five temporary voting members who all voted to license the product. ( do you wonder why, TDN??) 5. That the CDC grants conflict-of-interest waivers to every member of their advisory committee a year at a time, and allows full participation in the discussions leading up to a vote by every member, whether they have a financial stake in the decision or not. (Same questions, TDN) 6. That the CDC's advisory committee has no public members - no parents have a vote in whether or not a vaccine belongs on the childhood immunization schedule. The FDA's committee only has one public member. (Should parents be a part of this commitee, TDN??) These are just a few of the problems we found. Specific examples of this include: Dr. John Modlin-He served for four years on the CDC advisory committee and became the Chair in February 1998. He participated in the FDA's committee as well owned stock in Merck, one of the largest manufacturers of vaccines, valued at $26,000. He also serves on Merck's Immunization Advisory Board. Dr. Modlin was the Chairman of the Rotavirus working group. He voted yes on eight different matters pertaining to the ACIP's rotavirus statement, including recommending for routine use and for inclusion in the Vaccines for Children program. It was not until this past year, that Dr. Modlin decided to divest himself of his vaccine manufacturer stock. (WHY do you suppose he voted YES to all eight, TDN??) At our April 6 autism hearing, Dr. Paul Offit disclosed that he holds a patent on a rotavirus vaccine and receives grant money from Merck to develop this vaccine. He also disclosed that he is paid by the pharmaceutical industry to travel around the country and teach doctors that vaccines are safe. Dr. Offit is a member of the CDC's advisory committee and voted on three rotavirus issues - including making the recommendation of adding the rotavirus vaccine to the Vaccines for Children's program. ( piad by pharmaceurical industry,, does this tell you anything, TDN??) Dr. Patricia Ferrieri, during her tenure as Chair of the FDA's advisory committee, owned stock in Merck valued at $20,000 and was granted a full waiver. (WHY was she granted a full waiver, TDN??) Dr. Neal Halsey, who serves as a liaison member to the CDC committee on behalf of the American Association of Pediatrics, and as a consultant to the FDA's committee, has extensive ties to the pharmaceutical industry, including having solicited and received start up funds from industry for his Vaccine Center. As a liaison member to the CDC committee, Dr. Halsey is there to represent the opinions of the organization he represents, but was found in the transcripts to be offering his personal opinion as well. ( Any question for this, TDN??) Dr. Harry Greenberg, who serves as Chair of the FDA committee, owns $120,000 of stock in Aviron, a vaccine manufacturer. He also is a paid member of the board of advisors of Chiron, another vaccine manufacturer and owns $40,000 of stock. This stock ownership was deemed not to be a conflict and a waiver was granted. To the FDA's credit, he was excluded from the rotavirus discussion because he holds the patent on the rotashield vaccine. ( well, well, why was he excluded, TDN??) How confident can we be in the process when we learned that most of the work of the CDC advisory committee is done in "working groups" that meet behind closed doors, out of the public eye? Members who can't vote in the full committee because of conflicts of interest are allowed to work on the same issues in working groups, and there is no public scrutiny. I was appalled to learn that at least six of the ten individuals who participated in the working group for the rotavirus vaccine had financial ties to pharmaceutical companies developing rotavirus vaccines. (see anything appalling there, TDN??) How confident can we be in the recommendations with the Food and Drug Administration when the chairman and other individuals on their advisory committee own stock in major manufacturers of vaccines? ( can you answer this, TDN??) How confident can we be in a system when the agency seems to feel that the number of experts is so few that everyone has a conflict and thus waivers must be granted. It almost appears that there is a "old boys network" of vaccine advisors that rotate between the CDC and FDA - at times serving simultaneously. Some of these individuals serve for more than four years. We found one instance where an individual served for sixteen years continually on the CDC committee. With over 700,000 physicians in this country, how can one person be so indispensable that they stay on a committee for 11 years? (And this, TDN??) It is important to determine if the Department of Health and Human Services has become complacent in their implementation of the legal requirements on conflicts of interest and committee management. If the law is too loose, we need to change it. If the agencies aren't doing their job, they need to be held accountable. That's the purpose of this hearing, to try to determine what needs to be done. (Is the law to loose, TEN??) Why is this review necessary? Vaccines are the only substances that a government agency mandates a United States citizen receive. State governments have the authority to mandate vaccines be given to children prior to admission to day care centers and schools. State governments rely on the recommendations of the CDC and the FDA to determine the type and schedule of vaccines. I am not alone in my concern about the increasing influence of industry on medicine. Last year, the New England Journal of Medicine learned that 18 individuals who wrote drug therapy review articles had financial ties to the manufacturer of the drugs discussed. The Journal, which has the most stringent conflict of interest disclosures of medical journals, had a recent editorial discussing the increasing level of academic research funded by the industry. The editor stated, "What is at issue is not whether researchers can be 'bought' in the sense of a quid pro quo, it is that close and remunerative collaboration with a company naturally creates goodwill on the part of researchers and the hope that the largesse will continue. This attitude can subtly influence scientific judgment." Can the FDA and the CDC really believe that scientists are more immune to self-interest than other people? (please answer this, TDN!) Maintaining the highest level of integrity over the entire spectrum of vaccine development and implementation is essential. The Department of Health and Human Services has a responsibility to the American public to ensure the integrity of this process by working diligently to appoint individuals that are totally without financial ties to the vaccine industry to serve on these and all vaccine-related panels. (is intregrity important, TDN??) No individual who stands to gain financially from the decisions regarding vaccines that may be mandated for use should be participating in the discussion or policy making for vaccines. We have repeatedly heard in our hearings that vaccines are safe and needed to protect the public. If the panels that have made the decisions on all vaccines on the Childhood Immunization Schedule had as many conflicts as we found with rotavirus, then the entire process has been polluted and the public trust has been violated. I intend to find out if the individuals who have made these recommendations that effect every child in this country and around the world, stood to gain financially and professionally from the decisions of the committees they served on. (do you agree, TDN??) Please answer EACH question. Thanks, Jan http://groups.google.com/group/misc....77339e6?hl=en& Bravo! (sorry for joining the rah! brigade, but this deserves a standing ovation, i.m.o.) http://groups.google.com/group/misc....b7c38c6?hl=en& |
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US Govt Admits Vaccines Damage Children.
"Peter Bowditch" wrote: "Jan Drew" wrote: http://groups.google.com/group/misc....8a86d11?hl=en& and address the vested interest of the CDC and FDA and also the waviers, Aside form waving the words "vested interest" around, have you any shred of proof that anyone is on the take? Sorry, we aren't talking about *ME*. If the FDA were the lapdog of the pharmaceutical industry, as you claim, why did they refuse ImClone's application? DIVERSION SUPREME!!! 1. That members, including the Chair, of the FDA and CDC advisory committees who make these decisions own stock in drug companies that make vaccines. (could this possible have a bearing on HOW they vote,,,,,TDN??) 2. That individuals on both advisory committees own patents for vaccines under consideration or affected by the decisions of the committee. ( could this be a factor is HOW they vote TDN??) 3. That three out of five of the members of the FDA's advisory committee who voted for the rotavirus vaccine had conflicts of interest that were waived. ( Is this honest, TDN??) 4. That seven individuals of the 15 member FDA advisory committee were not present at the meeting, two others were excluded from the vote, and the remaining five were joined by five temporary voting members who all voted to license the product. ( do you wonder why, TDN??) 5. That the CDC grants conflict-of-interest waivers to every member of their advisory committee a year at a time, and allows full participation in the discussions leading up to a vote by every member, whether they have a financial stake in the decision or not. (Same questions, TDN) 6. That the CDC's advisory committee has no public members - no parents have a vote in whether or not a vaccine belongs on the childhood immunization schedule. The FDA's committee only has one public member. (Should parents be a part of this commitee, TDN??) These are just a few of the problems we found. Specific examples of this include: Dr. John Modlin-He served for four years on the CDC advisory committee and became the Chair in February 1998. He participated in the FDA's committee as well owned stock in Merck, one of the largest manufacturers of vaccines, valued at $26,000. He also serves on Merck's Immunization Advisory Board. Dr. Modlin was the Chairman of the Rotavirus working group. He voted yes on eight different matters pertaining to the ACIP's rotavirus statement, including recommending for routine use and for inclusion in the Vaccines for Children program. It was not until this past year, that Dr. Modlin decided to divest himself of his vaccine manufacturer stock. (WHY do you suppose he voted YES to all eight, TDN??) At our April 6 autism hearing, Dr. Paul Offit disclosed that he holds a patent on a rotavirus vaccine and receives grant money from Merck to develop this vaccine. He also disclosed that he is paid by the pharmaceutical industry to travel around the country and teach doctors that vaccines are safe. Dr. Offit is a member of the CDC's advisory committee and voted on three rotavirus issues - including making the recommendation of adding the rotavirus vaccine to the Vaccines for Children's program. ( piad by pharmaceurical industry,, does this tell you anything, TDN??) Dr. Patricia Ferrieri, during her tenure as Chair of the FDA's advisory committee, owned stock in Merck valued at $20,000 and was granted a full waiver. (WHY was she granted a full waiver, TDN??) Dr. Neal Halsey, who serves as a liaison member to the CDC committee on behalf of the American Association of Pediatrics, and as a consultant to the FDA's committee, has extensive ties to the pharmaceutical industry, including having solicited and received start up funds from industry for his Vaccine Center. As a liaison member to the CDC committee, Dr. Halsey is there to represent the opinions of the organization he represents, but was found in the transcripts to be offering his personal opinion as well. ( Any question for this, TDN??) Dr. Harry Greenberg, who serves as Chair of the FDA committee, owns $120,000 of stock in Aviron, a vaccine manufacturer. He also is a paid member of the board of advisors of Chiron, another vaccine manufacturer and owns $40,000 of stock. This stock ownership was deemed not to be a conflict and a waiver was granted. To the FDA's credit, he was excluded from the rotavirus discussion because he holds the patent on the rotashield vaccine. ( well, well, why was he excluded, TDN??) How confident can we be in the process when we learned that most of the work of the CDC advisory committee is done in "working groups" that meet behind closed doors, out of the public eye? Members who can't vote in the full committee because of conflicts of interest are allowed to work on the same issues in working groups, and there is no public scrutiny. I was appalled to learn that at least six of the ten individuals who participated in the working group for the rotavirus vaccine had financial ties to pharmaceutical companies developing rotavirus vaccines. (see anything appalling there, TDN??) How confident can we be in the recommendations with the Food and Drug Administration when the chairman and other individuals on their advisory committee own stock in major manufacturers of vaccines? ( can you answer this, TDN??) How confident can we be in a system when the agency seems to feel that the number of experts is so few that everyone has a conflict and thus waivers must be granted. It almost appears that there is a "old boys network" of vaccine advisors that rotate between the CDC and FDA - at times serving simultaneously. Some of these individuals serve for more than four years. We found one instance where an individual served for sixteen years continually on the CDC committee. With over 700,000 physicians in this country, how can one person be so indispensable that they stay on a committee for 11 years? (And this, TDN??) It is important to determine if the Department of Health and Human Services has become complacent in their implementation of the legal requirements on conflicts of interest and committee management. If the law is too loose, we need to change it. If the agencies aren't doing their job, they need to be held accountable. That's the purpose of this hearing, to try to determine what needs to be done. (Is the law to loose, TEN??) Why is this review necessary? Vaccines are the only substances that a government agency mandates a United States citizen receive. State governments have the authority to mandate vaccines be given to children prior to admission to day care centers and schools. State governments rely on the recommendations of the CDC and the FDA to determine the type and schedule of vaccines. I am not alone in my concern about the increasing influence of industry on medicine. Last year, the New England Journal of Medicine learned that 18 individuals who wrote drug therapy review articles had financial ties to the manufacturer of the drugs discussed. The Journal, which has the most stringent conflict of interest disclosures of medical journals, had a recent editorial discussing the increasing level of academic research funded by the industry. The editor stated, "What is at issue is not whether researchers can be 'bought' in the sense of a quid pro quo, it is that close and remunerative collaboration with a company naturally creates goodwill on the part of researchers and the hope that the largesse will continue. This attitude can subtly influence scientific judgment." Can the FDA and the CDC really believe that scientists are more immune to self-interest than other people? (please answer this, TDN!) Maintaining the highest level of integrity over the entire spectrum of vaccine development and implementation is essential. The Department of Health and Human Services has a responsibility to the American public to ensure the integrity of this process by working diligently to appoint individuals that are totally without financial ties to the vaccine industry to serve on these and all vaccine-related panels. (is intregrity important, TDN??) No individual who stands to gain financially from the decisions regarding vaccines that may be mandated for use should be participating in the discussion or policy making for vaccines. We have repeatedly heard in our hearings that vaccines are safe and needed to protect the public. If the panels that have made the decisions on all vaccines on the Childhood Immunization Schedule had as many conflicts as we found with rotavirus, then the entire process has been polluted and the public trust has been violated. I intend to find out if the individuals who have made these recommendations that effect every child in this country and around the world, stood to gain financially and professionally from the decisions of the committees they served on. (do you agree, TDN??) Please answer EACH question. Thanks, Jan http://groups.google.com/group/misc....77339e6?hl=en& Bravo! (sorry for joining the rah! brigade, but this deserves a standing ovation, i.m.o.) http://groups.google.com/group/misc....b7c38c6?hl=en& HCN /akaTDN -- Peter Bowditch Tsu Dho Nimh abac This person has not created a profile. 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"HCN" wrote in message . .. "Peter Bowditch" wrote in message ... "Jan Drew" wrote: HCN /akaTDN I think it is high praise to be considered in the same league as Tsu Do Nimh... though I haven't seen her post for a very long time. Sadly... I am not her. Subject: Silicon Valley Chemcials From: "D. C. Sessions" Date: 7/30/02 9:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: DEBBEE1023 wrote: I am asking DC, as he has stated that he is an Engineer in his quote. I do not recall asking you the question, because I don't recall you ever stating you were an Engineer... I did? Care to point out where? Page after page, but here is just a few, who do you ask?? Think people are too stupid to look it up? Jan Thread: Medical Control, Medical Corruption In article ,"D. C. & M. V. Sessions" wrote: Now the question is, which is overpaid relative to the other? As an engineer, I (dcs) have as much bias as you're likely to find, but there's no way I can compare the people I work with to the ones who have taken care of my family. From: D. C. Sessions ) Subject: Jeff's run with the fox and hunt with the hounds. Newsgroups: misc.kids.health, sci.med, uk.people.health Date: 2001-03-04 09:30:18 PST I'm an engineer, Jim, not a doctor! Seriously, the scientific paradigm has had a somewhat longer run in other fields, notably physics and chemistry.I'll grant that the application to the practical arts such as engineering and medicine has really only taken off int his cent From: D. C. Sessions ) Subject: SOME SHOTS MAY BE BAD FOR YOUR CHILDREN ~ WashTimes Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, misc.kids, health Date: 2000-11-15 22:19:26 PST Ileana wrote: and you're supposed to be one of the "scientists" ? ? ? Me? Nyah. Engineer. Patents, publications, pushingelectrons and holes around. Wires and stuff. Logic,of course, is bread and butter in my field. From: D. C. & M. V. Sessions ) Subject: Ritalin class action suit Newsgroups: misc.kids.health, sci.med, misc.health.alternative Date: 2000/05/30 It's been an interesting couple of weeks. (Disclaimer for those who don't know me -- I'm an electronic engineer and volunteer emergency care tech.) Two weeks ago a customer, having trouble, asked to have an engineer come visit to troubleshoot. Common enough, but this one s in Europe. From: D. C. Sessions ) Subject: Cataracts Newsgroups: sci.med, sci.med.nutrition, misc.health.alternative Date: 2001-11-06 08:36:03 PST Me, I don't pretend to be a scientist (never mind the business card.)I be an engineer, and engineers are *professional* pessimists: it'sour job to deal with Murphy's Law. An engineer _must_ be convinced that there is a flaw in the works somewhere, if she can only find it.Sometimes we fail to find it and the silly thing ships anyway. From: D. C. & M. V. Sessions ) Subject: Autism and Mercury Newsgroups: misc.kids.health, sci.med, misc.health.alternative Date: 2000/01/22 Sounds pretty safe to me (and I'm an engineer, with the usual engineer's preference for belts, suspenders, and velcro From: steve_H ) Subject: microkernels, tannebaum, torvalds -- 'splain me please Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: 2002-07-18 06:54:24 PST "D. C. Sessions" wrote in message ... mlw wrote: "D. C. Sessions" wrote: | An engineer is someone who will spend three hours | | figuring out how to do a two-hour job in one hour. | Which, by the way, is a good investment in time if you have to do it twice. You might want to check your math.he is just rounding things up and down, remember, he is an engineer nota scientist, so he does not have to be exact with his calculations Search Result 12 From: D. C. & M. V. Sessions ) Subject: Recommendations about vaccines Newsgroups: misc.kids.health Date: 2000/05/04 So who's a physician? I are an engineer From: D. C. Sessions ) Subject: Linux: where is the savings ? Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy Date: 2001-11-24 16:37:33 PST For all my griping about the idiotic IT policies of my employer,they have been by far the best I have had in almost thirty years as an enginer From: D. C. Sessions ) Subject: CDC 'action' on breastfeeding Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, misc.kids.pregnancy, sci.med Date: 2002-07-07 13:06:53 PST The controls engineer in me wincesat the thought of a system like this, BTW From: D. C. Sessions ) Subject: The placebo effect and muscle strength Newsgroups: misc.health.alternativ Date: 2001-07-16 00:40:07 PST On the contrary, I *can* predict the results of conventional allergy treatmentat least as well as I can predict the results of semiconductor fabricationprocesses, or any other process subject to uncontrolled (often truly random,in the quantum mechanics sense) influences. Search Result 4 From: D. C. & M. V. Sessions ) Subject: scientists don't know how vaccines work Newsgroups: sci.med, misc.kids.health, misc.health.aids Date: 2000-08-28 07:16:11 PST And yet -- semiconductor devices still work pretty well. (Andspeaking from immediate personal experience, figuring out what's wrong with a design can be a bear thanks to minimal observability and controllability.) Please -- I don't want to ask you to trust me on this, but if you want toargue it you really should learn a bit about semiconductor reliability physics.My CV on this is scattered around the Net (including the USPTO) if youwonder if I know whereof I write.-- From: D. C. Sessions ) Subject: winux vs lindows Newsgroups: alt.linux.sux, comp.os.linux.advocacy My employer (arather large semiconductor company) has moved the reference DAplatform where all of the integration work is done from HP-UX (still the backbone of the working DA set) http://groups.google.com/group/misc....b1d2ffb?hl=en& == Subject: Silicon Valley Chemcials From: Date: 8/2/02 5:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: "Tsu Dho Nimh" wrote in message . Gail Chandler, a spokeswoman for TI, said that while TI and Raytheon acknowledged environmental concerns at their site, most of the harm to the Eagle site was caused by other businesses. She said the settlement was not an admission that TI created the problem for Eagle. Well of course the company-paid spokeslady would say that . . . fact is, though, the jury came back with a verdict against TI and with a $21 million penalty. BTW, I can't imagine what other business would have left pollution unique to semiconductor manufacturing on the property . . . Sounds like you're being an apologist for TI . . . --Tock You got it, but there is more. TDN is a friend of DC Sessions,,,,,,,and a brainwashed member of organized medicine. She was busy defending those who have vested interests in vaccines, and are members of the CDC and FDA. That's A OK,,,,,,,,,,but, watch her attack any MLM or anyone who sells,,,,,,,,,, == http://groups.google.com/group/misc....28ce8f3?hl=en& wrote: BTW, I can't imagine what other business would have left pollution unique to semiconductor manufacturing on the property . . . Solvents are NOT unique to semiconductor manufacturing ... they are used in painting, dry cleaning, furniture stripping, etc. Tsu Dho Nimh == Mon, Sep 22 2003 7:57 am Email: Tsu Dho Nimh Have you invented another spurious case of misidentification, Jan? Oh, that's right, just as all women in the world with four children are the same woman, all people who have a three-letter nick (or a nick which can be abbreviated to three letters) are the same person. Do you realise how idiotic this practice makes you look? -- Peter Bowditch |
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"HCN" wrote in message . .. Reposting S P A M. That she Hates................................... "Peter Bowditch" wrote in message ... "Jan Drew" wrote: HCN /akaTDN I think it is high praise to be considered in the same league as Tsu Do Nimh... though I haven't seen her post for a very long time. Sadly... I am not her. Have you invented another spurious case of misidentification, Jan? Oh, that's right, just as all women in the world with four children are the same woman, all people who have a three-letter nick (or a nick which can be abbreviated to three letters) are the same person. Absurd. I have NO knowledge of the number of kids she has. Do you realise how idiotic this practice makes you look? -- Peter Bowditch I have knowledge of YOUR famous remarks! |
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"Jan Drew" wrote:
"HCN" wrote in message ... Reposting S P A M. That she Hates................................... "Peter Bowditch" wrote in message ... "Jan Drew" wrote: HCN /akaTDN I think it is high praise to be considered in the same league as Tsu Do Nimh... though I haven't seen her post for a very long time. Sadly... I am not her. Have you invented another spurious case of misidentification, Jan? Oh, that's right, just as all women in the world with four children are the same woman, all people who have a three-letter nick (or a nick which can be abbreviated to three letters) are the same person. Absurd. I have NO knowledge of the number of kids she has. Did you notice the word "another" in my first question? That means that I was talking about SOMEONE ELSE. Did I mention the number of children that HCN has, Jan? No, I didn't. I was referring to the way that you have accused SOMEONE ELSE of using a false name and part of the evidence was that the SOMEONE ELSE had four children, just like the person whom you accused her of being. I realise that English is difficult for you, but even you should have been able to detect the allusion in what I wrote. Do you realise how idiotic this practice makes you look? -- Peter Bowditch I have knowledge of YOUR famous remarks! Is that supposed to be an answer to my question? -- Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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