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Switching our kids was the best thing we ever tried



 
 
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Old November 24th 06, 03:39 PM posted to misc.kids
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Default Switching our kids was the best thing we ever tried

Shorly after our first child was born, one of our relatives gave us a
book about child rearing. We leafed through it, and noticed that it
seemed a bit harsh. So we stuck it on the shelf, and didnt' think
about it again until we had a second child, and both were becoming very
difficult. This is what I mean by difficult: by the time they were
just about to turn 2 and 3 years old, we would take them to a
restaurant, and their behavior was so bad that often people nearby
would comment on it, or even leave so they didn't have to be near us.

So, we revisited the book. As I said, it seemed a bit harsh to us.
For example, it employs what I can only describe as operant
conditioning, the sort of thing you would employ to keep a dog from
repeatedly peeing on your favorite easy chair. In our case, however,
it was things like punching other children in the face at a McDonald's
play place.

We put into practice what the book describes, and over a 6 month
period saw a remarkable improvement in our son's and daughter's
behavior. Now they say "please", "thank you", and "you're welcome",
and many people compliment us on their excellent behavior. You can
also see a big difference when they are in a room with other children
of their same age. The other kids will be throwing things, throwing
fits, crying and yelling. Our children will find some toys and play
relatively quietly, amusing themselves, and not being little terrors as
they formerly were.

I guess I could sum up the book with the saying "an ounce of
prevention is worth a pound of cure". The book describes how you can
proactively stop bad habits from becoming ingrained into a child's
character. We no longer have to constantly chase after the kids and
regularly tell them no in public. It is such a relief no longer being
the parents everyone around us hates to be near in restaurants and
such. Plus, the incidence of us having to spank our kids or put them
in the corner is now only about 1/10 of what it used to be.

Since the book made such a huge positive impact on us, I decided to
look it up online. I was very surprised to see that on Amazon, for
example, the overall review was relatively low. Then I took a look at
the reviews themselves. The ones that were positive were all from
people who actually read the book and put what the book said into
practice. The negative reviews were very short, and often just had a
comment about how bad the person thought spanking was. From looking
over several dozen, it became clear that most of the people posting
negative reviews had not even tried putting the principles in the book
into practice, and many of them may not have even read the book
themselves. In fact, it seemed like some sort of campaign by a group
of people to discredit the book, which would have had fairly high
reviews if it wasn't for all of the short responses from people
critical of training children.

The book is called "To Train Up a Child", by Michael & Debi Pearl.
Here is a link to the first chapter online:

http://www.gospeltruth.net/children/pearl_tuac.htm

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Old November 24th 06, 04:34 PM posted to misc.kids
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Default Switching our kids was the best thing we ever tried


"slugbug" wrote in message
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What did you switch them with, robots?


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Old November 24th 06, 06:50 PM posted to misc.kids
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Default Alternatives to the Pearls (was Switching our kids was the best thing we ever tried)

On 24 Nov 2006 06:39:12 -0800, "slugbug" wrote:

This is what I mean by difficult: by the time they were
just about to turn 2 and 3 years old, we would take them to a
restaurant, and their behavior was so bad that often people nearby
would comment on it, or even leave so they didn't have to be near us.


Of course, you never tried gentle *discipline* instead of the Pearl's
idiocy.

If you *are* Christian, try:

Positive Discipline in the Christian Home: Using the Bible to Develop
Character and Strengthen Moral Values by Jane Ed.D. Nelsen

Some free downloads he
http://www.focusingonsolutions.com/

For the view of gentle Christian mothers go he
http://www.gentlechristianmothers.co...discipline.php




--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

The Outer Limits
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Old November 24th 06, 08:57 PM posted to misc.kids
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Default Switching our kids was the best thing we ever tried

Do you have a kitchen store, too?

Perhaps you can sell spam, there.

Reported to:

Jeff


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Old November 28th 06, 06:52 AM posted to misc.kids
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Well, if you can't find any other way to conTROLL your kids...

Just make sure you don't do it in public; if a cop sees you, you'll get
in serious trouble! TH\here are always lots of cops out on paTROLL.

-Andrea

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Old November 28th 06, 03:14 PM posted to misc.kids
Jeff
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Default Switching our kids was the best thing we ever tried


"andrea baker" wrote in message
oups.com...
Well, if you can't find any other way to conTROLL your kids...

Just make sure you don't do it in public; if a cop sees you, you'll get
in serious trouble! TH\here are always lots of cops out on paTROLL.

-Andrea


I think you have a problem with the caps lock key coming on. You also need
to use a spell-checker. And learn some self control (spelled with only one
'l').

Jeff


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Old November 28th 06, 04:42 PM posted to misc.kids
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Default Switching our kids was the best thing we ever tried

"Jeff" wrote in
news

"andrea baker" wrote in message
oups.com..
.
Well, if you can't find any other way to conTROLL your
kids...

Just make sure you don't do it in public; if a cop sees
you, you'll get in serious trouble! TH\here are always
lots of cops out on paTROLL.

-Andrea


I think you have a problem with the caps lock key coming
on. You also need to use a spell-checker. And learn some
self control (spelled with only one 'l').


uh... Jeff? she's calling these particular posters trolls.
that's why she is using words with 'trol' in them, & then
emphasizing by the caps & double l.
have another cup of coffee & reread with your humor meter
turned on
lee
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if
there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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Old November 28th 06, 05:09 PM posted to misc.kids
Banty
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Default Switching our kids was the best thing we ever tried

In article , enigma says...

"Jeff" wrote in
news

"andrea baker" wrote in message
oups.com..
.
Well, if you can't find any other way to conTROLL your
kids...

Just make sure you don't do it in public; if a cop sees
you, you'll get in serious trouble! TH\here are always
lots of cops out on paTROLL.

-Andrea


I think you have a problem with the caps lock key coming
on. You also need to use a spell-checker. And learn some
self control (spelled with only one 'l').


uh... Jeff? she's calling these particular posters trolls.
that's why she is using words with 'trol' in them, & then
emphasizing by the caps & double l.
have another cup of coffee & reread with your humor meter
turned on
lee


Um, I think he was playing the straight man...

Banty

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Old November 29th 06, 01:09 AM posted to misc.kids
Jeff
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Default Switching our kids was the best thing we ever tried


"Banty" wrote in message
...
In article , enigma says...

"Jeff" wrote in
news

"andrea baker" wrote in message
oups.com..
.
Well, if you can't find any other way to conTROLL your
kids...

Just make sure you don't do it in public; if a cop sees
you, you'll get in serious trouble! TH\here are always
lots of cops out on paTROLL.

-Andrea

I think you have a problem with the caps lock key coming
on. You also need to use a spell-checker. And learn some
self control (spelled with only one 'l').


uh... Jeff? she's calling these particular posters trolls.
that's why she is using words with 'trol' in them, & then
emphasizing by the caps & double l.
have another cup of coffee & reread with your humor meter
turned on
lee


Um, I think he was playing the straight man...



Too strait, I guess. ;-)

Jeff
Banty



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Old November 29th 06, 05:51 AM posted to misc.kids
andrea baker
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Default Switching our kids was the best thing we ever tried

Er, Jeff, um, if you haven't quite figured it out yet, I was mocking
the troll who posted the initial post.

Regards,

Andrea

Jeff wrote:
"andrea baker" wrote in message
oups.com...
Well, if you can't find any other way to conTROLL your kids...

Just make sure you don't do it in public; if a cop sees you, you'll get
in serious trouble! TH\here are always lots of cops out on paTROLL.

-Andrea


I think you have a problem with the caps lock key coming on. You also need
to use a spell-checker. And learn some self control (spelled with only one
'l').

Jeff


 




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