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cloud dreamer wrote:
videonovels wrote:
cloud dreamer wrote:

Pushy atheists? When is the last time you had an atheist
come to your door and tell you how to run your life??? .......

When they force religious folks' children to attend a government school
against their will (i.e. forbidding at-home schooling). And YES there
are several atheists trying to outlaw homeschooling.

Schooling is for the three Rs...reading, writing and arithmetic.
Church is for educating the children in religion.
Forbidding homeschooling is to standardize what is taught.
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Hence you demonstrate what the term "pushy atheist" means. You are
trying to force YOUR opinion to become everybody's opinion. Like a
dictator or an "oligarchy of atheists". A small group of men trying to
run everybody else's home.

Annoying.

In MY opinion, freedom to choose schools is JUST as important, probably
more so, as having freedom to choose amongst multiple phone companies
or multiple car manufacturers (versus just one choice). To me, choice
== freedom. And therefore parents should have multiple options for
schools: Government, Private, Church, Individual Tutoring, or straight
out-of-the-book-learning/ at-home schooling.

And that's the genius of this country:

We are FREE. We don't have to follow anybody else's opinion except our
own. Each man/woman is a president of his/her own household, and that
includes what Values we want our children to learn.

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As for myself, I find the pro-corporation, pro-"be a consumer", pro-"be
a corporate wage slave" attitude of public schools to be disgusting. I
do NOT want to send my kids there. If you outlaw home-schooling as an
option, you take away my freedom to avoid that pro-corporate culture
(and mediocrity) that runs rampant through the government schools.

More opinions you should read:
http://heron61.livejournal.com/443109.html
- "When schools are actually encouraged to have kids put on psychiatric
drugs at as early an age as possible, and where children are likely to
be abused by their teachers and the faculty and staff, let alone each
other, I am very glad that home schooling is an option."

- "The most damning thing I can say about public school is that it
creates an aritifical, age-based environment in which children are
taught that they have nothing in common with anyone outside of their
own age range, in which they are taught that conformity and mediocrity
are positive things and in which harassment from one's peers is both
expected and normal. These things I wholeheartedly and utterly oppose."

- "I was homeschooled, and I wasn't purposefully exposed to differing
viewpoints: I just had the run of the libary :P. I didn't end up
becoming a fundy, even though my parents were. The only problem I see
is that we don't have tribes anymore, so there isn't that informal
communal education of kids. But there could be, and government
regulation that stands in the way of parents coming together to teach
their own children concerns me."

- "Public schools these days aren't really places you want to go if you
want to learn anything. In Pennsylvania, I am told by a few
homeschoolers, the kids have to take the same achievement tests as the
public school students and be evaluated for advancement. (Disclaimer:
said homeschoolers are not fundies, but either scientist-atheists or
pagans. Make of this what you will.)"

- "In my view, sending a kid to public school is just another flavor of
'exposing a child to only one viewpoint.' Schools serve the power
elites, I don't like the power elite, therefore, I don't much like
public schools as total institutions."

- "In the government schools I attended, the school was - for all
intents and purposes - the source of nearly all conformist attitudes,
and individuality-stunting endeavors."

- "I homeschooled my son for as long as I could. He could NOT survive
in a traditional environment. I know of a young woman who graduated
college at the age of 20. She is extremely intelligent. Polyamorous.
Very self confident. Not religious in any way... her mother chose to
homeschool her because she was light years ahead of children her own
age. Just because the fundy's do it, doesn't mean the rest of us are
****ed up or that we should oppose our right to educate our children.
Freedom for all... even if it hurts."

AND FINALLY:

"Most of the people reading your blog strike me as being odd - all of
us are some combination of LGBT/pan/whatever, poly, otherkin, unusual
religions, philosophers, geeks, gamers, etc. ----- You can keep
avoiding the question by opining for the masses, but what do you
suggest that we 'oddballs' and non-traditionalists gain by
educating/conforming ourselves in the common values? All I know is
that I'd be damned if I let someone else try to take my children and
program them against my wishes, it would be one of those 'defend to the
death' sort of things."

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What you "pushy atheist" aka cloud-dreamer want to do is make a bunch
of CLONES out of people, by forcing them all to conform to your public
schooling.

As a pro-liberty-loving person, I strongly oppose conformity. I like
variety. *Infinite Diversity via Infinite Combination.* And the way
to achieve that is to be Pro-Choice towards education. Allow each
person to choose his/her own style of schooling, whether it's
government-education or private-education or individual-tutoring or
book-learning (at-home). That's true Freedom.

That's what this nation was founded for.
That's what we strive to achieve:
MORE choices, not less.

telenovels wrote:

In MY opinion, freedom to choose schools is JUST as important, probably
more so, as having freedom to choose amongst multiple phone companies
or multiple car manufacturers (versus just one choice). To me, choice
== freedom. And therefore parents should have multiple options for
schools: Government, Private, Church, Individual Tutoring, or straight
out-of-the-book-learning/ at-home schooling.


Fine, but pay for it. My parents paid for me to have a "special" (i.e.,
religious) education. When I finally got to public school in 11th
grade, I found I preferred it, not least among my reasons the ability
to decide what *I* wanted to wear every morning. More important, I'd've
been a happier person without the daily religious indoctrination.
Except for weddings and funerals, I have been to church fewer times
than I can count on one hand since my sophomore year in HS. And that is
some time ago.

Maybe it would be a good idea to give away religious education. That
way, no one would be religious within a generation.

record hunter wrote:
Fine, but pay for it. My parents paid for me to have a "special" (i.e.,
religious) education. When I finally got to public school in 11th
grade, I found I preferred it, not least among my reasons the ability
to decide what *I* wanted to wear every morning. More important, I'd've
been a happier person without the daily religious indoctrination.
Except for weddings and funerals, I have been to church fewer times
than I can count on one hand since my sophomore year in HS. And that is
some time ago.

My parents are Buddhist, my dad's Chinese Buddhist, my mom's thai Buddhist. I was in
public school until high school, where I went into a private catholic school. Daily
morning prayers, religion class in the que with my econ/shop/3r's, etc. I stood when
others stood, I sat when others sat, didn't say a word in honour of the Judeo-Christian
God at any particular point in time, but I also didn't bad mouth it w/o reason.

They tried to convert every now and then, but no one ever proselytized me, or ostracize
me because I wasn't a believer. I don't know how your religious classes went, but we got
a good smattering of all the various religions and beliefs in it, not just Christianity.

My younger brother is the first in all the generations to be baptized, and it was me who
wanted to take him to bible class and Church every week, when I was home.

The uniform bit didn't bother me so much, as I looked great in anything.
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