Cox Strategy Targets Child Support Deadbeats

ROTFLMAO!!!!

EXCELLENT!!!! Way to go Dan!! I love it!!! You get the gold star!!

"Dan Curry" wrote in message
. ..
I used their "Report a DeadBeat form" to report all the scumbags behind
this
Extortion racket.

Good then you can report yourself so you can be added to their list of
deadbeats...

Dan Curry Owes : $xxx,xxx
Steven Spehar: 179,619.44
Evelyn Sammut: 102021.00
Jeffery Kelly: 71739.31
Gregory Thomas: 50879.00
Michael Woodworth: 47229.00
Dennis Horn: 44848.68
Timothy Ackley: 41,000.00

WHo else in here needs to be listed??

Bob Whiteside, Matt D, Paul Fritz, Dusty, Melvin the Rambler, Nytmove,
Teacherpreacher's hubby, Lecher9000 oh and we cant forget little gini the
aspiring lawyer who doesnt know jack about laws.

"Dan Curry" wrote in message
. ..
I used their "Report a DeadBeat form" to report all the scumbags behind
this
Extortion racket.


"Fighting for kids" adf wrote in message
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Cox strategy targets child support deadbeats

October 17, 2003





BY JACK KRESNAK
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER




Attorney General Mike Cox announced a two-pronged strategy Thursday to
help
get child support for Michigan's 650,000 children who receive no
financial
help from absent parents.

In the state's six largest counties, about 40,000 parents each owe more
than
$40,000 in overdue child support. But only a few hundred of them are
facing
criminal charges.

That will change, Cox said.

"This isn't some social faux pas or breach of etiquette," Cox said.
"This
is
a crime."

Under the PayKids initiative, the attorney general will use 39
billboards,
a
Web site, www.paykids.com, and a toll-free phone number to help parents
collect child support while educating the public at the same time. The
phone
number is 866-729-5437.

Cox has also created a child-support division with a team of special
assistant attorneys general to help prosecute thousands of criminal
cases
in
counties other than Wayne in which parents owe at least $40,000 in
court-ordered child support.

In Wayne County, Cox's office will prosecute cases in which more than
$100,000 is owed, while County Prosecutor Mike Duggan's office will
pursue
child-support violators who owe more than $5,000 in child support as
long
as
the children's cases are still active through the county's Friend of the
Court.

In Michigan, Cox said, more than $7 billion is owed by child-support
violators, $3 billion of that to Michigan taxpayers who have supported
the
children through welfare programs.

Since April, Cox said, his division has arrested 54 people, issued 95
arrest
warrants and collected more than $725,000 for Michigan children. Duggan
said
his office has prosecuted 820 violators this year and collected $908,000
for
children.

The PayKids initiative is being funded by corporate sponsors including
General Motors Corp., the bridge-and-trucking company Centra, the
Michigan
Hospital Association and the Michigan Medical Society. The nonprofit
initiative is expected to raise more than $500,000 in its first year.

Geraldine Jensen, president of the Association for Children for
Enforcement
of Support (ACES), a national organization based in Ann Arbor, praised
Cox
for his efforts.

Failure to pay child support is "the only crime in this country that
causes
poverty," Jensen said. "These parents are lawbreakers. They've abandoned
their children and have failed to meet the most basic obligation a
parent
has."

Why have a study for something that is so obvious?

"Dusty" wrote in message ...

"Matt D" wrote in message
om...
Failure to pay child support is "the only crime in this country that
causes
poverty," Jensen said. "These parents are lawbreakers. They've
abandoned
their children and have failed to meet the most basic obligation a
parent
has."


What about the crime of have having a child and keeping a child (as
opposed to adoption) that you are not able to support in the first
place. I don't see anyone being prosecuted for that.

And then there's this from Professor Sanford Braver...
"In fact, no evidence exits that large numbers of father voluntarily
abandon their children. No government or academic study has ever
demonstrated such an epidemic, and those studies that have addressed the
question directly have concluded otherwise."

In article , Dusty says...

ROTFLMAO!!!!

EXCELLENT!!!! Way to go Dan!! I love it!!! You get the gold star!!

"Dan Curry" wrote in message
...
I used their "Report a DeadBeat form" to report all the scumbags behind
this
Extortion racket.
===
Read slowly, FFK and give your brain time to catch up to the meaning.
===
===

"Fighting for kids" adf wrote in message
...
So go flip burgers!!!

I suppose he could. But then how is he going to pay her with an imputed
income; with "imputed" cash?


"Chris" wrote in message
news:svkrb.10191$0K6.10076@fed1read06...

wrote in message
...
Paul F. states:
"Cox is a horses ass..." snipped

And I voted for the asshole too.
He may be a horses ass, but he's an Attorney General horses ass. Same
goes for the Governor. Cox is acting under order from the Governor.

In their effort to get dead beat dads to pay, they've neglected a
Minor
detail or two.

1) Fix the badly broken friend of the court system. It needs to be
dismantled, and a new system put in it's place.

2) The dads who are no longer working at the high paying jobs they
were
when first tagged with paying big $$ CS should be reevaluated to see
what they can pay.

Neither of those two things is gonna happen.

Just yesterday, they found county jails were overcrowded. Many of
those
locked up are dead beat dads. Many were paying CS, but NOT what was
court ordered.

Just how is a man supposed to pay more than he makes? Now that he no
longer makes (like) $25 an hour, and has a job paying (like) $10 an
hour
less, what is he to do when he is ignored when shows Proof he hasn't
made that Big money for (maybe) years?

They're gonna load up the jails, make men lose their jobs, and be in
worse shape (child support wise) than they were before.

Now you have previously employed men, out of a job, and damn bitter at
a
system that just wouldn't listen to reason.They then will be real dead
beats. Dedicated non payers.

I knew of a man who lost his truck driving job and couldn't pay the
"child
support" money to the woman. While in the process of finding another
trucking job, she had his driver's license pulled........ Go figure.


That is what's happening, and that is what's gonna happen.


nm

"Fighting for kids" adf wrote in message
...
So, as paul harvey says.. here's the rest of the story...

Brother probably was behind in the first place, brother probably jumped
from
job to job and the judge said enough is enough and told this deadbeat to
get
off his ass and find a job.

Involuntary servitude is illegal.


"Dusty" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
Paul F. states:
"Cox is a horses ass..." snipped

And I voted for the asshole too.
He may be a horses ass, but he's an Attorney General horses ass. Same
goes for the Governor. Cox is acting under order from the Governor.

In their effort to get dead beat dads to pay, they've neglected a
Minor
detail or two.

1) Fix the badly broken friend of the court system. It needs to be
dismantled, and a new system put in it's place.

2) The dads who are no longer working at the high paying jobs they
were
when first tagged with paying big $$ CS should be reevaluated to see
what they can pay.

Neither of those two things is gonna happen.

Just yesterday, they found county jails were overcrowded. Many of
those
locked up are dead beat dads. Many were paying CS, but NOT what was
court ordered.

Just how is a man supposed to pay more than he makes? Now that he no
longer makes (like) $25 an hour, and has a job paying (like) $10 an
hour
less, what is he to do when he is ignored when shows Proof he hasn't
made that Big money for (maybe) years?

They're gonna load up the jails, make men lose their jobs, and be in
worse shape (child support wise) than they were before.

Now you have previously employed men, out of a job, and damn bitter at
a
system that just wouldn't listen to reason.They then will be real dead
beats. Dedicated non payers.

That is what's happening, and that is what's gonna happen.


nm


My brother had something similar happen to him - FIVE TIMES!! He had a
good
job in 2001, was paying his CS (there are several instances of
overpayment,
but that's another story..), had a nice apartment, saw his kids
regularly,
no problems.

Then the stock market falls on it's face and in no time at all 8+
million
people where out of work. He went back to the courts on five different
occasions to have the CS lowered. The god damned judge ordered an
INCREASE
from $600 a month to over $1000 a month!!

He had no job, no job prospects (save of flipping burgers) on the
horizon
and this jack-ass tells him "It's incentive." What the hell is that
kind
of
crap?!?! Incentive my ass! It's robbery, plan and simple.

So, now the state wants to put him behind bars for "failure to pay".
What
a
crock of **** that idea is. Lock up someone that hasn't committed any
crime, to force them to give up money that they don't have. Now that
makes
a whole hell of a lot of sense - NOT!

And they wonder why the suicide rate for divorced men is 10 times higher
than the national average...

And this...............
Aside from the fact that parents are forced into exile by our child support
laws, no study has ever shown child support to help children. And how could
it, since no accountability is required of custodial parents. Custodial
parents can spend this tax-free gift on anything they want: booze, drugs,
new clothes, a new car, vacations - maybe even on the children. Nobody knows
how much of the money ever reaches the child. UCLA Professor William S.
Comanor estimates that only $1 in $5 of child support actually is spent on
the child. Why not adopt the same documentation rules for custodial parents
that the IRS requires for tax deductions? Ditto for penalties and fines.
Studies do show that states highest in child support and welfare payments
rank lowest in child well-being (in fact, this information was presented to
this very same committee in 1995). Why? Money is a destabilizer or put
differently, a single-parent household enabler. What was responsible for
increasing child well-being? The intact family, something not terribly
popular with society's "me, me, me" attitude. Divorces increase during
economic boom times and decrease during tough times. Child support, like
welfare, creates an individual economic boom (without requiring work, no
less).

"Dusty" wrote in message ...

"Matt D" wrote in message
om...
Failure to pay child support is "the only crime in this country that
causes
poverty," Jensen said. "These parents are lawbreakers. They've
abandoned
their children and have failed to meet the most basic obligation a
parent
has."


What about the crime of have having a child and keeping a child (as
opposed to adoption) that you are not able to support in the first
place. I don't see anyone being prosecuted for that.

And then there's this from Professor Sanford Braver...
"In fact, no evidence exits that large numbers of father voluntarily
abandon their children. No government or academic study has ever
demonstrated such an epidemic, and those studies that have addressed the
question directly have concluded otherwise."

Work two jobs, three jobs.


"Chris" wrote in message
news:VDprb.11957$0K6.4847@fed1read06...

"Fighting for kids" adf wrote in message
...
So go flip burgers!!!

I suppose he could. But then how is he going to pay her with an imputed
income; with "imputed" cash?


"Chris" wrote in message
news:svkrb.10191$0K6.10076@fed1read06...

wrote in message
...
Paul F. states:
"Cox is a horses ass..." snipped

And I voted for the asshole too.
He may be a horses ass, but he's an Attorney General horses ass.
Same
goes for the Governor. Cox is acting under order from the Governor.

In their effort to get dead beat dads to pay, they've neglected a
Minor
detail or two.

1) Fix the badly broken friend of the court system. It needs to be
dismantled, and a new system put in it's place.

2) The dads who are no longer working at the high paying jobs they
were
when first tagged with paying big $$ CS should be reevaluated to see
what they can pay.

Neither of those two things is gonna happen.

Just yesterday, they found county jails were overcrowded. Many of
those
locked up are dead beat dads. Many were paying CS, but NOT what was
court ordered.

Just how is a man supposed to pay more than he makes? Now that he no
longer makes (like) $25 an hour, and has a job paying (like) $10 an
hour
less, what is he to do when he is ignored when shows Proof he
hasn't
made that Big money for (maybe) years?

They're gonna load up the jails, make men lose their jobs, and be in
worse shape (child support wise) than they were before.

Now you have previously employed men, out of a job, and damn bitter
at
a
system that just wouldn't listen to reason.They then will be real
dead
beats. Dedicated non payers.

I knew of a man who lost his truck driving job and couldn't pay the
"child
support" money to the woman. While in the process of finding another
trucking job, she had his driver's license pulled........ Go figure.


That is what's happening, and that is what's gonna happen.


nm

Snore...


"Paul Fritz" wrote in message
...
And this...............
Aside from the fact that parents are forced into exile by our child
support
laws, no study has ever shown child support to help children. And how
could
it, since no accountability is required of custodial parents. Custodial
parents can spend this tax-free gift

Tax Free how do you figure? Its already taxed, do you propose it be taxed
twice ?

on anything they want: booze, drugs,
new clothes, a new car, vacations - maybe even on the children. Nobody
knows
how much of the money ever reaches the child. UCLA Professor William S.
Comanor estimates that only $1 in $5 of child support actually is spent on
the child.

No one knows but this guy does? Contridicting yourself.

Why not adopt the same documentation rules for custodial parents
that the IRS requires for tax deductions? Ditto for penalties and fines.

I agree. I think that there should be some kind of accountability on each
parents part. I also think that those who do not pay support on time and
fall behind so much should NOT be allowed to get away with it.

Studies do show that states highest in child support and welfare payments
rank lowest in child well-being (in fact, this information was presented
to
this very same committee in 1995).

Where? What study?

Why? Money is a destabilizer or put
differently, a single-parent household enabler. What was responsible for
increasing child well-being?

Usually these studies concentrate on what the state itself spends on things
such as education, medical coverage, ect not on what impact child support
has on the children. You yourself said how could any study dictate such
things if they dont have any accountability where the money is spent and no
one really knows how much is actually spent on the child. The two dont
correlate at all.


The intact family, something not terribly
popular with society's "me, me, me" attitude. Divorces increase during
economic boom times and decrease during tough times. Child support, like
welfare, creates an individual economic boom (without requiring work, no
less).

And raising a child alone is not work? A recent study showed that a stay at
home parent has as much stress and responsiblity as someone who works TWO
full time jobs. So a single parent who has NO support from the NCP has to
do this PLUS work a job to support their family (as statistics show "most"
NCP's dont pay support on a regular basis nor do they pay the full amounts
ordered). Get off the "CP's" dont work.

"Dusty" wrote in message
...

"Matt D" wrote in message
om...
Failure to pay child support is "the only crime in this country that
causes
poverty," Jensen said. "These parents are lawbreakers. They've
abandoned
their children and have failed to meet the most basic obligation a
parent
has."


What about the crime of have having a child and keeping a child (as
opposed to adoption) that you are not able to support in the first
place. I don't see anyone being prosecuted for that.

And then there's this from Professor Sanford Braver...
"In fact, no evidence exits that large numbers of father voluntarily
abandon their children. No government or academic study has ever
demonstrated such an epidemic, and those studies that have addressed the
question directly have concluded otherwise."

"Fighting for kids" adf wrote in message
...
Good then you can report yourself so you can be added to their list of
deadbeats...

Dan Curry Owes : $xxx,xxx
Steven Spehar: 179,619.44
Evelyn Sammut: 102021.00
Jeffery Kelly: 71739.31
Gregory Thomas: 50879.00
Michael Woodworth: 47229.00
Dennis Horn: 44848.68
Timothy Ackley: 41,000.00

WHo else in here needs to be listed??

Bob Whiteside, Matt D, Paul Fritz, Dusty, Melvin the Rambler, Nytmove,
Teacherpreacher's hubby, Lecher9000 oh and we cant forget little gini the
aspiring lawyer who doesnt know jack about laws.

I haven't paid any CS to support my children's mother for nearly 5 years. I
used the laws and got out of having to pay her anything. And I took all of
the tax benefits she used to get too. I enjoy being called a deadbeat for
what I did and how I used the system to my advantage. It's really easy to
do. Some day I might even explain it to FFK.