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Chris, Dusty, I was comparing what DB posted about the fathers
having
to choose between jail and work! Read the first post on this thread.
I changed the wording as it fits for the CP in my case also. Meaning
it
is gender equal/CP or NCP equal dumb ****s!!

And you're right, I can afford my child and so can the NCP! So why
doesn't he help pay for them?

Because he didn't bring them into the
world...........................
next.

He is the one who begged on bended knee
for me to give birth to his child. My other 2 kids were already 10 &
7,
I really didn't want or need to have more children at the age of 29!

You guys are making me dislike men really fast!! LOL
Glad my BF is thankful for the help I can offer him in his case!! He
wouldn't think to highly of you guys either, and that you are the
ones
who screw it up for the decent NCP's. Just like the rad fems I guess
are the ones who make it so you feel the way you do towards me the
CP.

Someone please with an intelligent response, what makes it so that a
NCP just doesn't FEEL like paying?

Paying "child support" is tantamount to paying a prostitution fee.
Having
sex is the sole act (as a rule) that a man must do before such funds
are
extorted from him. The only requirement for the hooker is that she
chooses
to give birth. Have sex, pay money.

OK, Chris, just for the fun of it: Man and woman marry, have children,
andaer gloriously happy until thier youngest is 10 years old. At that
point
he gets the hots for his secretary. HE leaves his wife (who has been a
SAHM
for 15 years) to run off with Holly Hoohoos. HE does not want custody
because Holly does not want children. Should HE pay child support?

"Child support" is nothing more than forced extraction of funds from the
producer to the non-producer. In other words, THEFT. If the issue is
whether
or not a father takes his biological children into his home and cares
for
them, that's one story; but it aint' the same thing as paying "child
support". The fact that the government people protect the mother's right
to
keep possession of her own children supports the claim that they belong
to
her since she made the sole choice to bring them into the world. Why
they
require her to allow the biological father to babysit her children a
couple
times a month remains a mystery; especially since it is virtually never
enforced.

But you didn't answer my question. Should he have any financial
obligation
toward the children's upkeep?

I thought the answer to your question was obvious. You asked if he should
"pay child support", and my reply was that such "child support" amounts to
theft. What do you suppose my answer would be?

Or is it ok for him to run off with Holly
Hoohoos and forget that he ever had children?

He never "had" children.

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"Trial Run" wrote in message
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Chris, Dusty, I was comparing what DB posted about the fathers
having
to choose between jail and work! Read the first post on this
thread.
I changed the wording as it fits for the CP in my case also.
Meaning
it
is gender equal/CP or NCP equal dumb ****s!!

And you're right, I can afford my child and so can the NCP! So why
doesn't he help pay for them?

Because he didn't bring them into the
world...........................
next.

He is the one who begged on bended knee
for me to give birth to his child. My other 2 kids were already 10
&
7,
I really didn't want or need to have more children at the age of
29!

You guys are making me dislike men really fast!! LOL
Glad my BF is thankful for the help I can offer him in his case!!
He
wouldn't think to highly of you guys either, and that you are the
ones
who screw it up for the decent NCP's. Just like the rad fems I
guess
are the ones who make it so you feel the way you do towards me the
CP.

Someone please with an intelligent response, what makes it so that
a
NCP just doesn't FEEL like paying?

Paying "child support" is tantamount to paying a prostitution fee.
Having
sex is the sole act (as a rule) that a man must do before such funds
are
extorted from him. The only requirement for the hooker is that she
chooses
to give birth. Have sex, pay money.

OK, Chris, just for the fun of it: Man and woman marry, have
children,
andaer gloriously happy until thier youngest is 10 years old. At that
point
he gets the hots for his secretary. HE leaves his wife (who has been
a
SAHM
for 15 years) to run off with Holly Hoohoos. HE does not want custody
because Holly does not want children. Should HE pay child support?

"Child support" is nothing more than forced extraction of funds from
the
producer to the non-producer. In other words, THEFT. If the issue is
whether
or not a father takes his biological children into his home and cares
for
them, that's one story; but it aint' the same thing as paying "child
support". The fact that the government people protect the mother's
right
to
keep possession of her own children supports the claim that they belong
to
her since she made the sole choice to bring them into the world. Why
they
require her to allow the biological father to babysit her children a
couple
times a month remains a mystery; especially since it is virtually never
enforced.

But you didn't answer my question. Should he have any financial
obligation
toward the children's upkeep?

I thought the answer to your question was obvious. You asked if he should
"pay child support", and my reply was that such "child support" amounts to
theft. What do you suppose my answer would be?

Or is it ok for him to run off with Holly
Hoohoos and forget that he ever had children?

He never "had" children.

So, just to be perfectly clear, you are saying that it is always 100% a
woman's responsibility to provide for children. If a man chooses to do so,
he may. But if he doesn't choose to, he is in no way responsible for the
children. Even when the children are born within the bonds of wedlock and
it is the choice of both partners to bring children into the world. If a
man gets tired of the marriage, he walks away scot free--no
responsibilities. Right?

Chris wrote:
"Trial Run" wrote in message
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snipped for brevity

I am not dismissing that the article that you posted above does not
happen, it happens to frequently.
But it is no different then CP who are faced with the same issues!

If you can't afford to care for your children, then you shouldn't have
chosen to have them in the first place. Don't complain.



Who says she CHOSE? Maybe the children chose. Maybe she had joint
custody and he took off. Maybe she DID choose. But that does not
exonerate their father from contributing to their well being.

teachrmama wrote:

OK, Chris, just for the fun of it: Man and woman marry, have children,
andaer gloriously happy until thier youngest is 10 years old. At that point
he gets the hots for his secretary. HE leaves his wife (who has been a SAHM
for 15 years) to run off with Holly Hoohoos. HE does not want custody
because Holly does not want children. Should HE pay child support?


By "does not want custody," do you mean that he has completely and
permanently severed his contact with the child so he can hang out with
Holly? If so, then this is the extremely rare "deadbeat dad" scenario
that the present child support system and it's supporters assume is
epidemic and representative of 99% of cases. In this case, I do believe
that forced financial support -- at a rate linked to 50% of the expenses
necessary for raising a child and with full accountability for those
expenses -- is justified. Forced payment of financial child support
should be reserved for only the most aggregious abandoners.

Howver, this is not the reality in most cases. Most fathers, even if
they ran off with Holly Bigboobs, still want to DIRECTLY support their
kids and would do so if the present system didn't make it nearly
impossible in the presence of an uncooperative/greedy/vindictive CP mother.

Jay R.

Chris wrote:
"Trial Run" wrote in message
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Chris, Dusty, I was comparing what DB posted about the fathers having
to choose between jail and work! Read the first post on this thread.
I changed the wording as it fits for the CP in my case also. Meaning it
is gender equal/CP or NCP equal dumb ****s!!

And you're right, I can afford my child and so can the NCP! So why
doesn't he help pay for them?

Because he didn't bring them into the world...........................
next.

That is such sexist bull****! He should be responsible for the care of
any and all of his progeny.


He is the one who begged on bended knee
for me to give birth to his child. My other 2 kids were already 10 & 7,
I really didn't want or need to have more children at the age of 29!

You guys are making me dislike men really fast!! LOL
Glad my BF is thankful for the help I can offer him in his case!! He
wouldn't think to highly of you guys either, and that you are the ones
who screw it up for the decent NCP's. Just like the rad fems I guess
are the ones who make it so you feel the way you do towards me the CP.

Someone please with an intelligent response, what makes it so that a
NCP just doesn't FEEL like paying?

Paying "child support" is tantamount to paying a prostitution fee. Having
sex is the sole act (as a rule) that a man must do before such funds are
extorted from him. The only requirement for the hooker is that she chooses
to give birth. Have sex, pay money.

More sexist bull****. IF the father was still in a relationship with
their mother, he would be living in their home and sharing expenses. He
should still be responsible to making sure that the children are
provided for.

Does that make the fact that my hubby lets me live in HIS house, rent
free, because I have sex with him? Does that make me a prostitue? I
help him to support his son too. More prostitution, for I child I did
not bring into this world. You guys are such morons.


He can pay, he works, he loves his kids...he knows that I will not take
him back to court to get more...why...because I am just not like that!

Why don't you two try reading everything I wrote instead of only
choosing to comment on whatever you feel is negative!

"Stevie" wrote in message
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Chris wrote:
"Trial Run" wrote in message
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Chris, Dusty, I was comparing what DB posted about the fathers having
to choose between jail and work! Read the first post on this thread.
I changed the wording as it fits for the CP in my case also. Meaning
it
is gender equal/CP or NCP equal dumb ****s!!

And you're right, I can afford my child and so can the NCP! So why
doesn't he help pay for them?

Because he didn't bring them into the world...........................
next.

That is such sexist bull****! He should be responsible for the care of
any and all of his progeny.


He is the one who begged on bended knee
for me to give birth to his child. My other 2 kids were already 10 &
7,
I really didn't want or need to have more children at the age of 29!

You guys are making me dislike men really fast!! LOL
Glad my BF is thankful for the help I can offer him in his case!! He
wouldn't think to highly of you guys either, and that you are the ones
who screw it up for the decent NCP's. Just like the rad fems I guess
are the ones who make it so you feel the way you do towards me the CP.

Someone please with an intelligent response, what makes it so that a
NCP just doesn't FEEL like paying?

Paying "child support" is tantamount to paying a prostitution fee.
Having
sex is the sole act (as a rule) that a man must do before such funds are
extorted from him. The only requirement for the hooker is that she
chooses
to give birth. Have sex, pay money.

More sexist bull****. IF the father was still in a relationship with
their mother, he would be living in their home and sharing expenses. He
should still be responsible to making sure that the children are
provided for.

Does that make the fact that my hubby lets me live in HIS house, rent
free, because I have sex with him? Does that make me a prostitue? I
help him to support his son too. More prostitution, for I child I did
not bring into this world. You guys are such morons.


He can pay, he works, he loves his kids...he knows that I will not
take
him back to court to get more...why...because I am just not like that!

Why don't you two try reading everything I wrote instead of only
choosing to comment on whatever you feel is negative!

"Stevie" wrote in message
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Chris wrote:
"Trial Run" wrote in message
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Chris, Dusty, I was comparing what DB posted about the fathers having
to choose between jail and work! Read the first post on this thread.
I changed the wording as it fits for the CP in my case also. Meaning
it
is gender equal/CP or NCP equal dumb ****s!!

And you're right, I can afford my child and so can the NCP! So why
doesn't he help pay for them?

Because he didn't bring them into the world...........................
next.

That is such sexist bull****! He should be responsible for the care of
any and all of his progeny.

What gets overlooked in these highly emotional arguments about caring for
children is there is a second component that always favors CP's, but CP's
don't like to acknowledge. The argument that NCP's should be responsible
for the "care" of their children focuses in on the financial responsibility
placed upon NCP. But in reality the law acknowledges parental rights and
responsibility. The CP's get the parental rights (custody) and the NCP's
get the parental responsibility (CS payments).

It is just as sexist to pretend the parental rights stripped from NCP's and
awarded exclusively to CP's have nothing to do with the parental rights and
responsibility division that in sum represent "care" for the children.

But if your comment about "care...of all his progeny" means every father
should be given the parental rights that come with custody, I agree with
you.

He is the one who begged on bended knee
for me to give birth to his child. My other 2 kids were already 10 &
7,
I really didn't want or need to have more children at the age of 29!

You guys are making me dislike men really fast!! LOL
Glad my BF is thankful for the help I can offer him in his case!! He
wouldn't think to highly of you guys either, and that you are the ones
who screw it up for the decent NCP's. Just like the rad fems I guess
are the ones who make it so you feel the way you do towards me the CP.

Someone please with an intelligent response, what makes it so that a
NCP just doesn't FEEL like paying?

Paying "child support" is tantamount to paying a prostitution fee.
Having
sex is the sole act (as a rule) that a man must do before such funds are
extorted from him. The only requirement for the hooker is that she
chooses
to give birth. Have sex, pay money.

More sexist bull****. IF the father was still in a relationship with
their mother, he would be living in their home and sharing expenses. He
should still be responsible to making sure that the children are
provided for.

This is a good example of my point. While living in a relationship with the
children's mother, the father has both parental rights and parental
responsibility. If the parental responsibility continues for fathers after
a relationship breakup, it is just as logical to believe parental rights
should follow the father too.

"Stevie" wrote in message
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Chris wrote:
"Trial Run" wrote in message
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snipped for brevity

I am not dismissing that the article that you posted above does not
happen, it happens to frequently.
But it is no different then CP who are faced with the same issues!

If you can't afford to care for your children, then you shouldn't have
chosen to have them in the first place. Don't complain.



Who says she CHOSE?

The government people with their laws.

Maybe the children chose. Maybe she had joint
custody and he took off. Maybe she DID choose. But that does not
exonerate their father from contributing to their well being.

So long as he did not make the choice it does; and he didn't choose. Ever
hear of "Right to choose"?

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"Trial Run" wrote in message
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Chris, Dusty, I was comparing what DB posted about the fathers
having
to choose between jail and work! Read the first post on this
thread.
I changed the wording as it fits for the CP in my case also.
Meaning
it
is gender equal/CP or NCP equal dumb ****s!!

And you're right, I can afford my child and so can the NCP! So
why
doesn't he help pay for them?

Because he didn't bring them into the
world...........................
next.

He is the one who begged on bended knee
for me to give birth to his child. My other 2 kids were already
10
&
7,
I really didn't want or need to have more children at the age of
29!

You guys are making me dislike men really fast!! LOL
Glad my BF is thankful for the help I can offer him in his case!!
He
wouldn't think to highly of you guys either, and that you are the
ones
who screw it up for the decent NCP's. Just like the rad fems I
guess
are the ones who make it so you feel the way you do towards me
the
CP.

Someone please with an intelligent response, what makes it so
that
a
NCP just doesn't FEEL like paying?

Paying "child support" is tantamount to paying a prostitution fee.
Having
sex is the sole act (as a rule) that a man must do before such
funds
are
extorted from him. The only requirement for the hooker is that she
chooses
to give birth. Have sex, pay money.

OK, Chris, just for the fun of it: Man and woman marry, have
children,
andaer gloriously happy until thier youngest is 10 years old. At
that
point
he gets the hots for his secretary. HE leaves his wife (who has
been
a
SAHM
for 15 years) to run off with Holly Hoohoos. HE does not want
custody
because Holly does not want children. Should HE pay child support?

"Child support" is nothing more than forced extraction of funds from
the
producer to the non-producer. In other words, THEFT. If the issue is
whether
or not a father takes his biological children into his home and cares
for
them, that's one story; but it aint' the same thing as paying "child
support". The fact that the government people protect the mother's
right
to
keep possession of her own children supports the claim that they
belong
to
her since she made the sole choice to bring them into the world. Why
they
require her to allow the biological father to babysit her children a
couple
times a month remains a mystery; especially since it is virtually
never
enforced.

But you didn't answer my question. Should he have any financial
obligation
toward the children's upkeep?

I thought the answer to your question was obvious. You asked if he
should
"pay child support", and my reply was that such "child support" amounts
to
theft. What do you suppose my answer would be?

Or is it ok for him to run off with Holly
Hoohoos and forget that he ever had children?

He never "had" children.

So, just to be perfectly clear, you are saying that it is always 100% a
woman's responsibility to provide for children.

So long as she is 100% responsible for the choice to bring them into the
world, YES.

If a man chooses to do so,
he may. But if he doesn't choose to, he is in no way responsible for the
children. Even when the children are born within the bonds of wedlock and
it is the choice of both partners to bring children into the world.

There is one and ONLY one final arbiter in such choice; and guess who that
is.

If a
man gets tired of the marriage, he walks away scot free--no
responsibilities. Right?

"Stevie" wrote in message
oups.com...
Chris wrote:
"Trial Run" wrote in message
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Chris, Dusty, I was comparing what DB posted about the fathers having
to choose between jail and work! Read the first post on this thread.
I changed the wording as it fits for the CP in my case also. Meaning
it
is gender equal/CP or NCP equal dumb ****s!!

And you're right, I can afford my child and so can the NCP! So why
doesn't he help pay for them?

Because he didn't bring them into the world...........................
next.

That is such sexist bull****!

Call it what you like, but STILL a fact.

He should be responsible for the care of
any and all of his progeny.

Because?



He is the one who begged on bended knee
for me to give birth to his child. My other 2 kids were already 10 &
7,
I really didn't want or need to have more children at the age of 29!

You guys are making me dislike men really fast!! LOL
Glad my BF is thankful for the help I can offer him in his case!! He
wouldn't think to highly of you guys either, and that you are the ones
who screw it up for the decent NCP's. Just like the rad fems I guess
are the ones who make it so you feel the way you do towards me the CP.

Someone please with an intelligent response, what makes it so that a
NCP just doesn't FEEL like paying?

Paying "child support" is tantamount to paying a prostitution fee.
Having
sex is the sole act (as a rule) that a man must do before such funds are
extorted from him. The only requirement for the hooker is that she
chooses
to give birth. Have sex, pay money.

More sexist bull****. IF the father was still in a relationship with
their mother, he would be living in their home and sharing expenses.

Can you say...... "speculation"?

He
should still be responsible to making sure that the children are
provided for.

Because?


Does that make the fact that my hubby lets me live in HIS house, rent
free, because I have sex with him? Does that make me a prostitue? I
help him to support his son too. More prostitution, for I child I did
not bring into this world.

With all due respect, your above statements are unclear to me.

You guys are such morons.

Thank you for your opinion.



He can pay, he works, he loves his kids...he knows that I will not
take
him back to court to get more...why...because I am just not like that!

Why don't you two try reading everything I wrote instead of only
choosing to comment on whatever you feel is negative!