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Need some info on child support in texas
wrote in message oups.com... teachrmama wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Gini wrote: "teachrmama" wrote wrote My wife has an 6 year old son with another man. He abandoned her for the entire pregnancy and the first 6 months of the babys life. He started making payments to her since then of 400.00 a month. Sometimes he'll pay less, sometimes he pays what he is supposed to. For the first 3-5 years he paid in cash and the last year or so he paid by check. They have never gone to court for this. The payments have just been a mutual agreement. He told us he now wants to do it through the courts. To my understanding, from others in a similar situation, the payments he made do not count as child support. If it never went through the courts it is considered a "gift" and he would be required to pay back support from day 1. Is this true? I also know that the amount of child support he makes is about 10-15% of his income and I feel that is to low of an amount for him to pay. If anyone can give me any info on this I would really appreciate it. I would really like to get more info on what would happen if we did go through the courts and if what i posted is actually true. Thanks in advance I really hope you are a troll just trying to stir up trouble!! Why on God's green earth would you want to LIE and say that he had not been paying if, indeed, he has had the integrity to pay support for all these years? Why would you want your wife to be a LIAR? Why would you want your stepson to see his mother and stepfather LYING to the courts? Is that the sort of disrespect you want the child to learn? Will it be ok when he starts lying to you just to get something he is not entitled to? Why can't you just tell the truth? == What she said--And why are you sticking your nose in her business anyway? You sound like a real peach. == You two missed the whole point entirely....I'm not asking anyone to lie to the courts. From what I understand, according to people who have gone through this situation, is that in the state of texas, mutual agreements for child support dont mean anything to the court. A coworker paid child support to his exwife for 10 years through a similar mutual agreement. When she went to court to get it official, he was told the payments he had made for 10 years were not considered child support to the state of texas, but instead were called "gifts". he had to pay 10 years of back child support even though he had proof he paid his ex every month. Thats the thing i'm trying to find out. Is this how it really works. As to why i'm gettting involved.....I'm married to this woman and her son. I dont have a choice when it comes to providing for him. If the boys father doesnt pay the full amount, I have to make up for that. I want to go through the courts so that we can have some recourse for this. Just to let you know what a jerk this guy is. He took his son for 2 weeks a couple of months back. He stiffed my wife and only paid her half the amount they agreed upon since she only had him for half of a month. I dont know where you people got that I was lying to anyone. Please re-read my original post. As to why i'm getting involved in this.....We have 2 kids together. Our finances are together. When the ex stiffs us on child support, thats extra money taken away from everyone in our family. He has an obligation to his child. Hes getting off easy considering what his income is. As stated earlier, at best, hes only paying 10-15% of his income when the state usually grants 20-25% of a persons income to child support My question stands: Why can't you just tell the truth? "Yes, Your Honor, he DID pay the amount WE AGREED ON for all of these years. No, Your Honor, we DO NOT WANT him to have to pay it again. That would not be fair to him. I (your wife speaking) would like to sign a satisfaction of judgement for those years because I DO NOT WANT TO CHEAT HIM BY USING THE SYSTEM. That is what we agreed on, and I'm sticking to our agreement." How hard is that? As for him having the child for half the month and only paying Child Support for the other half of the month, what is wrong with that? Doesn't it make sense to you? If not, why not? If the court feels that he should be paying more child support, they will surely raise the amount. Just how much money does this guy make? Where do you get the idea that he should pay 1/4 of his income for child support? Who gets the tax exemption for the child at tax time? And, while we are on financial things, does your wife work to pay her half of the child's expenses? Just because you may discover there is a legal loophole that will permit child support to be collected twice, do you really feel it would be the right thing to do? Do you want your children to treat their friends the way you are planning to treat this man? Would you want your brother treated that way? Your son? The fact that you think this man is scum does not mean it is ok to cheat him--and you know you would be cheating him if, indeed, you collected child support twice. Unfortunately, this idea that you have to screw the man just because it's legal does not reflect kindly on your character! Think about it! I'm sorry teachrmama but where did you get that i'm just trying to screw this guy out of money? Those arent my intentions. I stated that this is what I had heard happened to some people i knew and i wanted to know if this was the case or not. So get off your high horse and back off if you have nothing to contribute to this post. It was brought to my attention that if we did go to court he would have no choice but to pay from day 1 of the childs life. NOT if you and your wife tell the truth. NOT if you sign a satisfaction of judgment! IF someone said to you "Yes, this is true" would you feel like you were forced to accept the money because the courts said so? Or would you pay him back every penny that he had already paid? The only reason I want to go through the courts is to have recourse when he shorts my wife on the child support. I'm not looking to bankrupt the man. I just want him to live up to his legal obligations and not shortchange us anytime he finds an excuse. Well, first, he would be shortchanging neither you nor your wife, but his child. But, reading your posts, it seems to me that you aer perfectly willing to shortchange him by letting him pay double and hiding behind the courts as if you aer being forced to accept the money becausethe courts so order. Just out of curiosity, how much do you believe that he should be paying per month for child support? What do you feel is the actual dollar amount needed to take care of the child? Is the amount you expect from this man half of the amount it takes to actually take care of the child? You never did explain why you though it was terrible for the man to keep half of the support he pays per month when he had the child for half that month, BTW. Why was that so terrible, in your opinion? |
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Need some info on child support in texas
"teachrmama" wrote ....................... You never did explain why you though it was terrible for the man to keep half of the support he pays per month when he had the child for half that month, BTW. Why was that so terrible, in your opinion? == Couldn't make the payments on their SUV? == |
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"Gini" wrote in message news:bx0ng.2532$D03.53@trndny03... "teachrmama" wrote ...................... You never did explain why you though it was terrible for the man to keep half of the support he pays per month when he had the child for half that month, BTW. Why was that so terrible, in your opinion? == Couldn't make the payments on their SUV? == chuckle Seriously, this one really gets me. What happened to integrity? Just because you *can* do something does not mean it is the right thing to do! If the adults can't act like adults and work things out together, how do they expect their children ever to be able to do so? Why do courts not only support, but encourage such outrageously childish behavior!! |
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Need some info on child support in texas
"Gini" wrote in message news:5%%mg.1155$pv2.431@trndny05... "teachrmama" wrote ............ Just because you may discover there is a legal loophole that will permit child support to be collected twice, do you really feel it would be the right thing to do? Do you want your children to treat their friends the way you are planning to treat this man? Would you want your brother treated that way? Your son? == ;-) How about him, when she dumps him? == I don't think he thinks that will ever happen. Think he'll post back here again when it does? |
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Need some info on child support in texas
"teachrmama" wrote "Gini" wrote in message "teachrmama" wrote ............ Just because you may discover there is a legal loophole that will permit child support to be collected twice, do you really feel it would be the right thing to do? Do you want your children to treat their friends the way you are planning to treat this man? Would you want your brother treated that way? Your son? == ;-) How about him, when she dumps him? == I don't think he thinks that will ever happen. Think he'll post back here again when it does? = I hope so. Should be fun. |
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Need some info on child support in texas
"teachrmama" wrote "Gini" wrote in message "teachrmama" wrote ...................... You never did explain why you though it was terrible for the man to keep half of the support he pays per month when he had the child for half that month, BTW. Why was that so terrible, in your opinion? == Couldn't make the payments on their SUV? == chuckle Seriously, this one really gets me. == Me too. Nauseating. Really. == |
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Need some info on child support in texas
wrote in message oups.com... teachrmama wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Gini wrote: "teachrmama" wrote wrote My wife has an 6 year old son with another man. He abandoned her for the entire pregnancy and the first 6 months of the babys life. He started making payments to her since then of 400.00 a month. Sometimes he'll pay less, sometimes he pays what he is supposed to. For the first 3-5 years he paid in cash and the last year or so he paid by check. They have never gone to court for this. The payments have just been a mutual agreement. He told us he now wants to do it through the courts. To my understanding, from others in a similar situation, the payments he made do not count as child support. If it never went through the courts it is considered a "gift" and he would be required to pay back support from day 1. Is this true? I also know that the amount of child support he makes is about 10-15% of his income and I feel that is to low of an amount for him to pay. If anyone can give me any info on this I would really appreciate it. I would really like to get more info on what would happen if we did go through the courts and if what i posted is actually true. Thanks in advance I really hope you are a troll just trying to stir up trouble!! Why on God's green earth would you want to LIE and say that he had not been paying if, indeed, he has had the integrity to pay support for all these years? Why would you want your wife to be a LIAR? Why would you want your stepson to see his mother and stepfather LYING to the courts? Is that the sort of disrespect you want the child to learn? Will it be ok when he starts lying to you just to get something he is not entitled to? Why can't you just tell the truth? == What she said--And why are you sticking your nose in her business anyway? You sound like a real peach. == You two missed the whole point entirely....I'm not asking anyone to lie to the courts. From what I understand, according to people who have gone through this situation, is that in the state of texas, mutual agreements for child support dont mean anything to the court. A coworker paid child support to his exwife for 10 years through a similar mutual agreement. When she went to court to get it official, he was told the payments he had made for 10 years were not considered child support to the state of texas, but instead were called "gifts". he had to pay 10 years of back child support even though he had proof he paid his ex every month. Thats the thing i'm trying to find out. Is this how it really works. As to why i'm gettting involved.....I'm married to this woman and her son. I dont have a choice when it comes to providing for him. If the boys father doesnt pay the full amount, I have to make up for that. I want to go through the courts so that we can have some recourse for this. Just to let you know what a jerk this guy is. He took his son for 2 weeks a couple of months back. He stiffed my wife and only paid her half the amount they agreed upon since she only had him for half of a month. I dont know where you people got that I was lying to anyone. Please re-read my original post. As to why i'm getting involved in this.....We have 2 kids together. Our finances are together. When the ex stiffs us on child support, thats extra money taken away from everyone in our family. He has an obligation to his child. Hes getting off easy considering what his income is. As stated earlier, at best, hes only paying 10-15% of his income when the state usually grants 20-25% of a persons income to child support My question stands: Why can't you just tell the truth? "Yes, Your Honor, he DID pay the amount WE AGREED ON for all of these years. No, Your Honor, we DO NOT WANT him to have to pay it again. That would not be fair to him. I (your wife speaking) would like to sign a satisfaction of judgement for those years because I DO NOT WANT TO CHEAT HIM BY USING THE SYSTEM. That is what we agreed on, and I'm sticking to our agreement." How hard is that? As for him having the child for half the month and only paying Child Support for the other half of the month, what is wrong with that? Doesn't it make sense to you? If not, why not? If the court feels that he should be paying more child support, they will surely raise the amount. Just how much money does this guy make? Where do you get the idea that he should pay 1/4 of his income for child support? Who gets the tax exemption for the child at tax time? And, while we are on financial things, does your wife work to pay her half of the child's expenses? Just because you may discover there is a legal loophole that will permit child support to be collected twice, do you really feel it would be the right thing to do? Do you want your children to treat their friends the way you are planning to treat this man? Would you want your brother treated that way? Your son? The fact that you think this man is scum does not mean it is ok to cheat him--and you know you would be cheating him if, indeed, you collected child support twice. Unfortunately, this idea that you have to screw the man just because it's legal does not reflect kindly on your character! Think about it! I'm sorry teachrmama but where did you get that i'm just trying to screw this guy out of money? Those arent my intentions. I stated that this is what I had heard happened to some people i knew and i wanted to know if this was the case or not. So get off your high horse and back off if you have nothing to contribute to this post. It was brought to my attention that if we did go to court he would have no choice but to pay from day 1 of the childs life. The only reason I want to go through the courts is to have recourse when he shorts my wife on the child support. I'm not looking to bankrupt the man. I just want him to live up to his legal obligations and not shortchange us anytime he finds an excuse. Here's what has everyone up on their high horse including me now! First you posted the child's father had the idea HE wanted to do his CS payments through court order and you suggested you were concerned about how he might be treated. Above you indicate how you want him to pay through court order and indicate how YOU want him to be treated. Which is it? If it's the latter, I say get out of the middle of any discussions between your wife and the father of your step child. It's none of your business and whatever occurs comes with the fact you married a woman with a previous child fathered by another man. |
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I dont understand you people.....Let me hit up a few topics some of you
wrote. First, I dont care if he has his son the whole summer, he still has to pay child support. Next, I know the CS is for the boy but when he shorts us on the CS, that is that much less we have to spend on our children. We dont have a choice when it comes to providing for the boy. Why should his father have a choice? I dont want him to pay back CS from day 1. I was just stating that this is what I heard will happen. One person misunderstood my post and like lemmings, you all followed their mistake. I am asking because I rather this be through the court system so that he has no choice but to live up to his legal and moral responsibility. I have no idea where you get that I want to collect CS 2x. All i'm asking is for the man to pay what the state of texas says is fair and you people come on here flaming the hell out of me. For the record, my wife and I both work and provide for her son. Between day care, sending him to a learning center for a learning disability, and everyday activities, the amount his father pays is way to low. Much lower than the state of texas generally says he should be paying. I dont understand why some of you jackals rip me apart for asking a question about how this would work. FOR THE LAST TIME, AND HOPEFULLY SOME OF YOU WILL ACTUALLY READ THIS, I DO NOT WANT TO COLLECT CS 2X. I WAS ASKING IF HE WOULD HAVE A CHOICE IF THE COURTS SAID HE WOULD OWE EVEN IF HE DID PAY. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET FACTS. I'M NOT TRYING TO BANKRUPT OR CHEAT THE GUY. Bob Whiteside wrote: wrote in message oups.com... teachrmama wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Gini wrote: "teachrmama" wrote wrote My wife has an 6 year old son with another man. He abandoned her for the entire pregnancy and the first 6 months of the babys life. He started making payments to her since then of 400.00 a month. Sometimes he'll pay less, sometimes he pays what he is supposed to. For the first 3-5 years he paid in cash and the last year or so he paid by check. They have never gone to court for this. The payments have just been a mutual agreement. He told us he now wants to do it through the courts. To my understanding, from others in a similar situation, the payments he made do not count as child support. If it never went through the courts it is considered a "gift" and he would be required to pay back support from day 1. Is this true? I also know that the amount of child support he makes is about 10-15% of his income and I feel that is to low of an amount for him to pay. If anyone can give me any info on this I would really appreciate it. I would really like to get more info on what would happen if we did go through the courts and if what i posted is actually true. Thanks in advance I really hope you are a troll just trying to stir up trouble!! Why on God's green earth would you want to LIE and say that he had not been paying if, indeed, he has had the integrity to pay support for all these years? Why would you want your wife to be a LIAR? Why would you want your stepson to see his mother and stepfather LYING to the courts? Is that the sort of disrespect you want the child to learn? Will it be ok when he starts lying to you just to get something he is not entitled to? Why can't you just tell the truth? == What she said--And why are you sticking your nose in her business anyway? You sound like a real peach. == You two missed the whole point entirely....I'm not asking anyone to lie to the courts. From what I understand, according to people who have gone through this situation, is that in the state of texas, mutual agreements for child support dont mean anything to the court. A coworker paid child support to his exwife for 10 years through a similar mutual agreement. When she went to court to get it official, he was told the payments he had made for 10 years were not considered child support to the state of texas, but instead were called "gifts". he had to pay 10 years of back child support even though he had proof he paid his ex every month. Thats the thing i'm trying to find out. Is this how it really works. As to why i'm gettting involved.....I'm married to this woman and her son. I dont have a choice when it comes to providing for him. If the boys father doesnt pay the full amount, I have to make up for that. I want to go through the courts so that we can have some recourse for this. Just to let you know what a jerk this guy is. He took his son for 2 weeks a couple of months back. He stiffed my wife and only paid her half the amount they agreed upon since she only had him for half of a month. I dont know where you people got that I was lying to anyone. Please re-read my original post. As to why i'm getting involved in this.....We have 2 kids together. Our finances are together. When the ex stiffs us on child support, thats extra money taken away from everyone in our family. He has an obligation to his child. Hes getting off easy considering what his income is. As stated earlier, at best, hes only paying 10-15% of his income when the state usually grants 20-25% of a persons income to child support My question stands: Why can't you just tell the truth? "Yes, Your Honor, he DID pay the amount WE AGREED ON for all of these years. No, Your Honor, we DO NOT WANT him to have to pay it again. That would not be fair to him. I (your wife speaking) would like to sign a satisfaction of judgement for those years because I DO NOT WANT TO CHEAT HIM BY USING THE SYSTEM. That is what we agreed on, and I'm sticking to our agreement." How hard is that? As for him having the child for half the month and only paying Child Support for the other half of the month, what is wrong with that? Doesn't it make sense to you? If not, why not? If the court feels that he should be paying more child support, they will surely raise the amount. Just how much money does this guy make? Where do you get the idea that he should pay 1/4 of his income for child support? Who gets the tax exemption for the child at tax time? And, while we are on financial things, does your wife work to pay her half of the child's expenses? Just because you may discover there is a legal loophole that will permit child support to be collected twice, do you really feel it would be the right thing to do? Do you want your children to treat their friends the way you are planning to treat this man? Would you want your brother treated that way? Your son? The fact that you think this man is scum does not mean it is ok to cheat him--and you know you would be cheating him if, indeed, you collected child support twice. Unfortunately, this idea that you have to screw the man just because it's legal does not reflect kindly on your character! Think about it! I'm sorry teachrmama but where did you get that i'm just trying to screw this guy out of money? Those arent my intentions. I stated that this is what I had heard happened to some people i knew and i wanted to know if this was the case or not. So get off your high horse and back off if you have nothing to contribute to this post. It was brought to my attention that if we did go to court he would have no choice but to pay from day 1 of the childs life. The only reason I want to go through the courts is to have recourse when he shorts my wife on the child support. I'm not looking to bankrupt the man. I just want him to live up to his legal obligations and not shortchange us anytime he finds an excuse. Here's what has everyone up on their high horse including me now! First you posted the child's father had the idea HE wanted to do his CS payments through court order and you suggested you were concerned about how he might be treated. Above you indicate how you want him to pay through court order and indicate how YOU want him to be treated. Which is it? If it's the latter, I say get out of the middle of any discussions between your wife and the father of your step child. It's none of your business and whatever occurs comes with the fact you married a woman with a previous child fathered by another man. |
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wrote and another note. lets look at the person you are defending. Someone who left a woman when he got her pregnant. == He didn't "get her pregnant." She had unprotected sex when she was ovulating. Unless she was raped, that was her choice. She should have known better. == Offered absolutely no help during the pregnancy == She chose to give birth. He had no choice. == and then finally decides to come back 6 months into the boys life. He drops the child support off when it is convenient for him. == This is none of your business. == Sometimes he is weeks late in paying and sometimes he doesnt even pay the amount agreed upon. He shortchanged the cs because quote "I spent too much money purchasing a vehicle". He picks up his son every other weekend and has makes no attempt to call or see him at any other time. His son absolutely hates being with him. == Why? Who turned him against his dad? == |
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