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Old April 28th 07, 10:36 PM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
cjra
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On Apr 28, 2:55 pm, yogigupta wrote:
On Apr 25, 10:03 pm, cjra wrote:





I don't _want_ to wean DD. In my ideal world we'd continue going until
one of us is done. However we've already decided if at one year I'm
not ovulating, to wean as we're very anxious to TTC. At almost 10
months now, DD is still a nursing machine. She nurses regularly 3x/
night (the last few nights more like 6 but I think she's teething). I
can't even imagine weaning her.


1. How do we go about doing it? Slowly? Give her milk during the day
and still wean at night? I'm willing to give it some time, and would
prefer a gradual weaning and see if I ovulate once we cut down. Does
she _need_ cow's milk during the day? Or just another snack? I'd love
to be able to stop pumping. She's eating 3 solids meals per day now,
although no snack, just EBM/nursing.


2. How does one night wean? We co sleep. We do have a crib which she
uses some times, but obviously it's easier to co-sleep, but that
doesn't help the weaning process. Any tips?


Postponing TTC is not an option we want to consider. I'd be happier to
already be pg now! We really want another.


Normally, you should not wean off the breast milk for the first 12
post natal months. If you want to wean at 10 months, wean her to iron
fortfied infant formula 50/50 a couple of weeks and then 100 % infant
formulas.
Do not give cows's milk before first birthday.- Hide quoted text -


Just to be clear, again. I have no intention of weaning before 12
months (one year, as stated in my initial post). My question was aimed
at what to do once she reaches 12 months.

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Old April 29th 07, 08:48 PM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
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On Apr 26, 4:37 pm, "Nikki" wrote:
"cjra" wrote in message

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1. How do we go about doing it? Slowly? Give her milk during the day
and still wean at night? I'm willing to give it some time, and would
prefer a gradual weaning and see if I ovulate once we cut down. Does
she _need_ cow's milk during the day? Or just another snack? I'd love
to be able to stop pumping. She's eating 3 solids meals per day now,
although no snack, just EBM/nursing.


2. How does one night wean? We co sleep. We do have a crib which she
uses some times, but obviously it's easier to co-sleep, but that
doesn't help the weaning process. Any tips?


If you start weaning at 12mos you replace the day milk feeds with snacks &
drinks. Babies need fat, calcium, and vitamin D. I give mine milk and
dairy products to meet those needs. They don't drink a whole lot of milk at
first but they do like yogurt, cheese, pudding, etc.


Ok, that sounds reasonable. DD likes yoghurt already (esp. granmaman's
homemade yoghurt!). We tried cheese in Switzerland last week but she
wasn't too interested.


I think you can stop pumping anytime you want. If she is attached to those
6-8 ounces at daycare then you could continue to pump for that another
couple of months but if you didn't want to I wouldn't worry about it. She
would manage with solids and water or solids and cows milk. Cows milk at
10mos doesn't hurt anything it just shouldn't replace breastmilk/formula.
With all the nursing she's doing I wouldn't consider 6oz to be replacing
anything.


I'm afraid to stop those 6-8ozs for fear she'll nurse even more at
night! She already nurses 3x/night due to reverse cycling, I don't
want more. But at 12 months that will be what I cut out first.


When I night weaned mine I cut down each feeding until they were just a few
minutes long. I then started stretching out the time in the middle of the
night by eliminating feedings until I reached a point that I thought was
reasonable. I did it the same way for the older ones (that co-slept) and
the younger ones that are in their crib. There was more crying with the
younger ones but they were only 10-11mos and they were in the crib. They
do sleep better now then the older ones though.


Hmmm, am I in for a long crying session at night no matter what I do?
We saw the pedi Friday and I mentioned she was still nursing 3x/night
and he was very sympathetic - said she shouldn't be, but understood
the reverse cycling issue and said as long as I could handle it, there
was no real problem. His comment was that we were in for a rough time
when I do try to night wean.


At 12mos I'm tying to wean the twins to nursing twice a day. They are not
to happy about it.

Good luck and I hope the night weaning brings on ovulation. If you quit
pumping that might help also.


I'mhoping so too. If I can day wean and it works, that's fine. I'll
wait til 12 months for that though.


PS: I found nursing while pregnant to be absolutely awful. People do it
but I said never again. Just something to think about.


I'll decide that when the time comes!

Thanks for the tips.

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Old April 30th 07, 12:52 AM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
Anne Rogers[_2_]
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Hmmm, am I in for a long crying session at night no matter what I do?
We saw the pedi Friday and I mentioned she was still nursing 3x/night
and he was very sympathetic - said she shouldn't be, but understood
the reverse cycling issue and said as long as I could handle it, there
was no real problem. His comment was that we were in for a rough time
when I do try to night wean.


I think this may well be true in your case, because you are looking at both
her and conceiving, if you were dealing with just her and you were happy
with how things were, she would night wean eventually, without pain, but
probably not until between 2 and 3. Our DS was also on 3 times a night at
this age, and night weaning him was surprisingly painless, but I know you've
already tried what we did - at least I think you have - we did controlled
crying, we expected it would have to be DH that soothed him, but it turned
out it worked better if I did it, but one of the reasons we could do this
was because he was in a cot in his own room, I don't think he'd have stopped
crying if he could see me or DH still there and think there was a
possibility of a cuddle or some milk.

I think you'll have to figure out which is worse for her, being with you and
not being fed, or being alone, because whilst a lot of people think that
latter is brutal, for some kids it's the lesser of two evils, the parent
being there, but not doing what they want can make the crying go on and on
and on.

Anne


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Old April 30th 07, 03:26 AM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
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On Apr 25, 10:03�pm, cjra wrote:
I don't _want_ to wean DD. In my ideal world we'd continue going until
one of us is done. However we've already decided if at one year I'm
not ovulating, to wean as we're very anxious to TTC. At almost 10
months now, DD is still a nursing machine. She nurses regularly 3x/
night (the last few nights more like 6 but I think she's teething). I
can't even imagine weaning her.

1. How do we go about doing it? Slowly? Give her milk during the day
and still wean at night? I'm willing to give it some time, and would
prefer a gradual weaning and see if I ovulate once we cut down. Does
she _need_ cow's milk during the day? *Or just another snack? I'd love
to be able to stop pumping. She's eating 3 solids meals per day now,
although no snack, just EBM/nursing.

2. How does one night wean? We co sleep. We do have a crib which she
uses some times, but obviously it's easier to co-sleep, but that
doesn't help the weaning process. Any tips?

Postponing TTC is not an option we want to consider. I'd be happier to
already be pg now! We really want another.


I'm 35, so I totally hear where you're coming from in terms of not
wanting to postpone TTC, but it sounds like it's going to be really
tough going if you continue to co-sleep. I think I would switch her
to her own room and night-wean, in your situation. And maybe stop
pumping for her day feeds, just offer her the breast when she wants
it. Of course, I got my period back all three times at about 14
months, night-nursing or not. So you may find that you get your
period back just fine in the next few months anyway. If it were based
solely on how much the baby is nursing, I'd probably only have one
kid! Here's hoping, and good luck TTC!

Bryna

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Old April 30th 07, 03:31 AM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
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"cjra" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Apr 26, 4:37 pm, "Nikki" wrote:
When I night weaned mine I cut down each feeding until they were just a
few
minutes long. I then started stretching out the time in the middle of
the
night by eliminating feedings until I reached a point that I thought was
reasonable. I did it the same way for the older ones (that co-slept) and
the younger ones that are in their crib. There was more crying with the
younger ones but they were only 10-11mos and they were in the crib.
They
do sleep better now then the older ones though.


Hmmm, am I in for a long crying session at night no matter what I do?


Actually when I night weaned the ones that I co-slept with (using above
method) the crying wasn't all that bad. Luke did not cry for longer then 5
minutes and he was nursing a lot more then 3 times a night when I did the
night weaning (at 18mos). He continued to wake up and ask to nurse, and
whimper about it, for a very long time but no big crying ordeal. One other
tip. I taught them to 'finish up'. I said 'finish up' and gave them a
couple seconds to unlatch and if they didn't, I unlatched them. I did it at
the end of the nursing session until they learned it (which didn't take all
that long) and then I asked them to 'finish up'earlier and earlier. They
would unlatch themselves about 75% of the time. I did that because I
discovered that they were much happier to come off on their own, then if I
unlatched them.


--
Nikki, mama to
Hunter 4/99
Luke 4/01
Brock 4/06
Ben 4/06


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Old April 30th 07, 02:54 PM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
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On Apr 29, 6:52 pm, "Anne Rogers" wrote:
Hmmm, am I in for a long crying session at night no matter what I do?
We saw the pedi Friday and I mentioned she was still nursing 3x/night
and he was very sympathetic - said she shouldn't be, but understood
the reverse cycling issue and said as long as I could handle it, there
was no real problem. His comment was that we were in for a rough time
when I do try to night wean.


I think this may well be true in your case, because you are looking at both
her and conceiving, if you were dealing with just her and you were happy
with how things were, she would night wean eventually, without pain, but
probably not until between 2 and 3. Our DS was also on 3 times a night at
this age, and night weaning him was surprisingly painless, but I know you've
already tried what we did - at least I think you have - we did controlled
crying,


No, we haven't really done that. I have let her cry in the going to
sleep stage a number of times when she's clearly tired but won't nurse
or sleep and is just playing. What I'll do is leave her in her crib
for a few minutes, she gets really ****ed off and then she wants
desperately to nurse and falls asleep doing so pretty quickly. It's
not very nice but is sometimes the only way to get her to calm down.

A couple of times I've tried not nursing her when she woke up, and
turning away or moving farther away on the bed. It has worked
ocassionally, but not usually. The nights I haven't been in bed with
her (either because I was sick and sleeping in another room or when I
went away for 2 nights)DH tried to console her during those wake up
times but she was insistent upon eating.

we expected it would have to be DH that soothed him, but it turned
out it worked better if I did it, but one of the reasons we could do this
was because he was in a cot in his own room, I don't think he'd have stopped
crying if he could see me or DH still there and think there was a
possibility of a cuddle or some milk.

I think you'll have to figure out which is worse for her, being with you and
not being fed, or being alone, because whilst a lot of people think that
latter is brutal, for some kids it's the lesser of two evils, the parent
being there, but not doing what they want can make the crying go on and on
and on.


hah. Unfortunately her own room is not an option at the moment. "Her"
room, our second bedroom, is currently a storage room while we undergo
restorations. We are just now starting to work on her room, but it'll
be at least 3-4 months before it's habitable (probably longer - we
have to strip the lead paint off the windows/frames, the trims we're
sending out to be stripped, then we have to tape and float the walls,
fix 2 doors, paint (it's either cracked old sheetrock or new unpainted
sheetrock, then put in flooring....). There's not another room in the
house that is suitable, as all the other rooms are open - no doors
(mainly because they are down to be stripped due to chipping lead
paint -I have pics up at www.cheriseandfredo.blogspot.com if you
can't picture what I'm describing) and I don't trust the cat to leave
her alone. We do have a crib in our room, but I agree, as long as
she can see us, she's going to want us. Maybe that'll be incentive to
get the room done, not that we need the incentive, we've just had
other priorities (like the foundation skirting and the porch about to
crash).

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Old May 3rd 07, 08:06 PM posted to misc.kids.breastfeeding
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On May 3, 1:14 pm, Larry Mcmahan wrote:
In article .com,
says...

Just to be clear, again. I have no intention of weaning before 12
months (one year, as stated in my initial post). My question was aimed
at what to do once she reaches 12 months.


I can guess that you don't want to hear this, but I still say wait until
18 months. The value of breastmilk in the second year over not giving
it is proven, the value to your body in having that long to recover
makes the next pregnancy easier, and it's only another 6 months. :-)


"Only 6 months" is a lot different to someone who is 24 and got pg on
the first try the first time vs. someone who is 38 and took 10 months,
including a miscarriage to get pg the first time. Falling into the
latter camp, I'm a bit more anxious to work on the next kid. However,
I will try partial weaning and see how that works.

 




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