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"Donna Metler" wrote: I wouldn't have complained, but as a heavy Coca-Cola drinker, I would've had to make a *serious* adjustment once the no-soft drinks rule went into effect. Luckily, I have no such rules at my house. However, since "Coke" was about the 6th word that my child was able to say with regular proficiency, I may have a different set of problems down the road. We'll see. ;-) We have quite a few teachers who have mini-fridges in their classrooms so they can keep sodas on hand. Count me as a member of that group. P. Tierney |
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Vending Machines in schools
"Nan" wrote in message
... On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 04:28:23 GMT, "Byron Canfield" wrote: "Nan" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:32:11 -0700, Joni Rathbun wrote: We ran a cafe in the library last year. We refused to carry Pepsi (the soda in our district) but we did have some "designer" sodas including a fancy root beer, an orange cream soda, and Jones Sodas. We also had bottled water, a wide variety of juices and some Snapple juice type drinks. We had hot cider and cocoa in the winter. We also had Starbucks Frappucinnos. Everything sold well, but juices were our top sellers. Water was second. We have entire vending machines filled with water downstairs but they run out often. We kept some of our water bottles in the freezer. Some kids really liked that. Third best seller: Starbucks Frappucinnos. Cocoa was a big seller in the winter. We plan to eliminate sodas completely next year. That is surprising, and it's wonderful that your school is able to bypass the marketing hoohah and do what's better for the students. Many schools don't have that option. Nan The schools DO have the option; they're just afraid to look at it. And you know this to be fact because..... Nan I know the option to be a fact because my daughter's school has done so. I know the fear to be a fact (apparently the fear of losing funding) because you have said so yourself -- unless you were lying? -- "There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary numbers and those who don't." ----------------------------- Byron "Barn" Canfield |
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"Byron Canfield" wrote in message newsROOa.15347$H17.5892@sccrnsc02... "Nan" wrote in message ... On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 04:35:17 GMT, "Byron Canfield" wrote: And then you tell them: "Yes, that's all well and good; we accept your offer. And here is the list of what we will allow you to stock in the vending machines. Any deviation from the list will be cause for immediate termination of power to the vending machines to prevent their further use by students until such time as the stock is made in conformance with the list." I suppose, if the school is *really* willing to give back all the funding or computers, or whatever was provided. The school would not have to return any funding or equipment if the "donaters" are the ones in violation. Uh, I do most of the grant writing for my school. Both sides are liable for the outcome. UNLESS the school has specified very in depth what they will and will not accept as part of the written agreement, and the other side has agreed, with no weasel phrases, the school could indeed lose the equipment. In our cases, the phrase is "in compliance with USDA regulations for school-day food service"-so until the USDA approves sodas, they're not allowed. But if they wanted to start stocking flavored milk in our vending machines, they could do so. |
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On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Donna Metler wrote: "Chookie" wrote in message ... In article , toto wrote: For the younger kids who cannot go off-campus, it will work, for high school students. I doubt it unless we keep them from going anywhere else and I am not in favor of closing campuses and making teens prisoners for the entire school day as is done in some places. What an interesting perspective. AFAIK, children in NSW public schools aren't allowed off-premises without parental permission (eg for a dental appointment). We have a legal doctrine of "in loco parentis", meaning that the teachers are responsible for the children's safety -- they know where they are and that they aren't doing anything stupid. How can this be achieved if you have students wandering all over town? And who is responsible if some kid gets himself run over? That's the main reason most schools don't have open campuses-because we are held liable if something happens. Those which do require parental permission, and if your child leaves without permission, they are theoretically able to be charged with a truancy violation (although this is unlikely to happen unless something bad happens and the school needs to cover their tracks). Our district wound up with a few dead kids after their lunchtime excursions off campus (for which we were not held liable) so public outcry rather created a mood in which closed campuses were ... demanded. Attendance at afternoon classes has risen dramatically. But the mood will eventually swing the other way. Open campuses will creep back into the system (buildings can make their own decisions) until the Next Bad Thing. |
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"Donna Metler" wrote in message
... "Byron Canfield" wrote in message newsROOa.15347$H17.5892@sccrnsc02... "Nan" wrote in message ... On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 04:35:17 GMT, "Byron Canfield" wrote: And then you tell them: "Yes, that's all well and good; we accept your offer. And here is the list of what we will allow you to stock in the vending machines. Any deviation from the list will be cause for immediate termination of power to the vending machines to prevent their further use by students until such time as the stock is made in conformance with the list." I suppose, if the school is *really* willing to give back all the funding or computers, or whatever was provided. The school would not have to return any funding or equipment if the "donaters" are the ones in violation. Uh, I do most of the grant writing for my school. Both sides are liable for the outcome. UNLESS the school has specified very in depth what they will and will not accept as part of the written agreement, and the other side has agreed, with no weasel phrases, the school could indeed lose the equipment. In our cases, the phrase is "in compliance with USDA regulations for school-day food service"-so until the USDA approves sodas, they're not allowed. But if they wanted to start stocking flavored milk in our vending machines, they could do so. That's merely an issue of taking control of the contract -- do just that -- specify in great depth what is and is not acceptable and what will be the outcome for violations on the part of the vendor. Too many think they just have to roll over and accept the contract the vendor provides, which is naturally slanted in their favor. Not so. Take theirs and completely rewrite it, slanted the other way. Believe me, they want the business so bad they'll take it anyway. -- "There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary numbers and those who don't." ----------------------------- Byron "Barn" Canfield |
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On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 08:58:27 -0500, "Donna Metler"
wrote: That's the main reason most schools don't have open campuses-because we are held liable if something happens. Those which do require parental permission, and if your child leaves without permission, they are theoretically able to be charged with a truancy violation (although this is unlikely to happen unless something bad happens and the school needs to cover their tracks). Imo, though, teenagers need to be treated as young adults, responsible for their own behavior. For younger children it makes sense to have them on the premises all day, but for older kids, going out to lunch is just like going out to lunch if you are an adult working on the job and while you may not have the option if you work in some jobs, adults can change jobs, while teens are unlikely to be able to change schools. It may be that the privilege should be earned. Honor students at my high school when I grew up were allowed more privileges. Of course kids also could walk home for lunch in my elementary school without a big fuss being made over it. Most didn't, but some of us who lived close did at least on occasion. The only provision was that you had to let the teacher know you were going home for lunch that day in the morning when she took the lunch count. Kids need time to be kids Unlike their American counterparts, most German students in both the primary and secondary grades attend school for only half the day, and for those in the early primary grades, the school day can end at 10:30 a.m. But many places all over the world are becoming much more structured in supervising even the play time of children. I don't think this is a good thing. When are we allowing children just to be kids, to learn how to set their own social structures and to explore the world? -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. Outer Limits |
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"toto" wrote in message
... Imo, though, teenagers need to be treated as young adults, responsible for their own behavior. For younger children it makes sense to have them on the premises all day, but for older kids, going out to lunch is just like going out to lunch if you are an adult working on the job and while you may not have the option if you work in some jobs, adults can change jobs, while teens are unlikely to be able to change schools. Yes but, as you say, not all adults can leave for lunch. I think part of growing up to be an adult is to learn that you don't always get to make the rules you want. -- CBI |
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On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:01:58 -0500, "Donna Metler"
wrote: The public schools walk a very thin line where litigation is concerned, and most will err on the side of caution. I know. This is part of what is wrong with our society and our schools, imho. -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. Outer Limits |
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"toto" wrote in message ... On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:29:01 -0400, "CBI" wrote: Yes but, as you say, not all adults can leave for lunch. I think part of growing up to be an adult is to learn that you don't always get to make the rules you want. However, most college kids have a much better schedule. We are fools if we think that making high schools like primary schools works to produce kids who are learning to be adults. Whatever benefit you can imagine for being able to go out for lunch on their own can be realized at other times such as nights and weekends at the mall, on dates, etc. If the school finds that the kids leaving campus in the middle of the day creates problems such as them getting into trouble and missing classes then the best move would be to keep them there. It will be good training for when their boss makes them stay close for lunch or required classes in college keep them from having lunch when and where they want. You don't always get to eat your lunch where and when you want (or at all). I think the kids would be more poorly served if they grew up expecting that they would. -- CBI |
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"thumper" wrote in message om... (Cathy Weeks) wrote in message om... "Donna Metler" wrote in message ... What drives me nuts is that the school cafeteria sells ice cream, fruit roll-ups, cookies and similar things, so the kids end up getting their junk food there, and a lot of their regular "food" is high carb highly processed stuff. Yeah, and my stepson's school gives out candy as rewards! I just can't get over that. They seize on any excuse to give out junk. The afterschool program regularly gives out full-sized candy bars at the end of the day. What are they thinking??? When my son moved into the toddler room of his daycare, they provided morning and afternoon snacks. They also sent a note home about appropriate food to send for lunch, emphasizing healthy meals. Each time the licensing agency comes, they ask us to be sure to send healthy lunches too. Sounds good, right? Everyday should be treated like it is the day the licensing agency comes. So, why is it that the first day he started in that room the morning snack was.... Dunkin' Munchkins. And they never never serve 100% juice (at least it isn't in the refrigerator unless a parent has provided it for their child). I just don't get it! No you don't. Juice is basically sugar water. All the best, Jeff Take care, Lisa Cathy Weeks Mommy to Kivi Alexis 12/01 - http://www.bricktopia.com/kivi to reply remove the spam and Cathy isn't spelled with a K |
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