4 days of vaccine business and inspiration ... Meet some profitting mightily from the Vaccine Biz

http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover

Bravo to David Kirby and the Imuses ... and to Huff Post for helping
uncover the massive cover-up around the harm of vaccinations.

People need to realize that the Vaccination Industry is huge & broad
& wide & deep ... with many levels of public relations and billions
of dollars of profits to pay for it all.

[http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm
One of the centers ... list members are seen throughout blogs,
Wikipedia, Usenet and health lists and WWW.]

Much of the 'media' we see on the internet is based at this
appropriately named "Snake-oil Vigilante" sites. I believe the real
'snake-oil' is vaccinations ... and am thrilled to see this discussion
reach the Presidential Campaign level.

Humans survived for millenia without the help of the Pharma Industry
....

The Vaccination Marketing Machine is meeting next month in Washington
.... which they call "4 days of vaccine business and inspiration."
http://www.terrapinn.com/2008/wvcwawards/conf.stm

This site will show the vast number of hghly paid individuals who are
as far from 'unbiased' as any people could be while promoting their
drugs.

Upton Sinclair said it so well:

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary
depends upon his not understanding it."

On Mar 4, 1:48*pm, Ilena Rose wrote:
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover

Bravo to David Kirby and the Imuses ...

Two f the Merchants of Disease, Disability and Death.

and to Huff Post

The mouthpiece of the Merchants of Disease, Disability and Death.

Ilena Rose wrote:

People need to realize that the Vaccination Industry is huge & broad
& wide & deep ... with many levels of public relations and billions
of dollars of profits to pay for it all.

People need to realise that an industry with total world-wide sales of
about ten billion dollars (mostly sold to governments and charities)
and very high research costs cannot possibly have "billions of dollars
of profits".

Sensible people, that is. People who care about the truth.

I guess you miss out on two counts, Ilena.

(How is the Dutch auction at the Coronado base going? What is the
lowest amount of money you had to pay a sailor to "service" you?)

--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

Note from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:

The Vac Flacks are working overtime ... the new information about
their Industry being held accountable for destroying one child's life
is a Vac PR Flack Dream! More work for them to spin and lie and insult
and make up false facts!

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...m#Mark-Probert
Disbarred attorney, bitter and insulting to those exposing Vac
Industry Lies

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...Peter-Bowditch
Right hand Liar of Stephen Barrett ... is as loss in his sexual
fantasies about me as he is in vaccine 'safety'

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/0...nation-racket/

Time To End Profit Driven Mandatory Vaccination Racket

by Evelyn Pringle / February 12th, 2008

The push to keep adding more vaccines to the mandatory schedules comes
directly from a purely profit motivated industry and a recent investor
report estimates that the world-wide market will quadruple from about
$4.3 billion in 2006 to more than $16 billion in 2016, with the
biggest boost coming from kids in the US.

A November 2007 report entitled, “Pipeline and Commercial Insight:
Pediatric and Adolescent Vaccines,” authored by vaccine analyst,
Hedwig Kresse, for the independent market analyst Datamonitor
discusses the future outlook for vaccine profits.

The report provides an assessment of products and a patient-based
forecast of market size and coverage rates to the year 2016, and
predicts that the introduction of high price vaccines will induce
rapid growth in the pediatric and adolescent vaccines market.

The report predicts that due to the “promising commercial potential”
of new, high-price vaccines, the pediatric and adolescent market will
quadruple from approximately $4.3 billion in 2006, to over $16 billion
by 2016, across the US, the EU-five including France, Germany, Italy,
Spain, and the UK, and Japan.

The crucial factor for success in the pediatric market, the report
notes, is the introduction of a product into national vaccination
schedules. “Along with reimbursement, this virtually guarantees the
rapid uptake and continuously high coverage rates in the target
population,” Ms Kresse states.

As an example, she cites Wyeth’s Prevnar, as the first premium price
vaccine launched in the US in 2000 for vaccinating infants against
pneumonia and meningitis.

Since then, Prevnar has been added to the childhood vaccination
schedules in the US and EU-five despite its high price of nearly $320
for the 4-dose regimen. In 2006, Global sales reached almost $2
billion, making Prevnar the first vaccine to attain blockbuster
status, according to the report. By 2016, Datamonitor expects the
total value of the infant market for pneumococcal vaccines to increase
to $2.3 billion.

In June 2006, Merck’s Gardasil was approved for cervical cancer.
Because it was the first vaccine offered as a preventive measure for a
form of cancer, its approval generated tremendous public attention
along with pressure for healthcare authorities to make the vaccine
available to teenage girls at a cost of $360 for 3 doses.

“Although most cases of cervical cancer in the developed world can be
prevented through the existing pap smear screening programs, the
expensive HPV vaccination has been recommended and is reimbursed for
teenage girls across the US and Europe,” Ms Kresse reports.

She notes that this decision is driven more by public pressure and
excitement about the opportunity to vaccinate against cancer rather
than by real need. The widespread publicity has led to a good uptake
in the target group of adolescent girls, which is usually hard to
reach for vaccination, Ms Kresse points out to investors.

Datamonitor sees a huge commercial opportunity in HPV vaccines, with
annual sales of $1.4 billion in teenage girls for the seven major
markets by 2016 and a cumulative catch-up opportunity in women aged
13-26 that could add up to over $17 billion until 2016.

But Ms Kresse warns investors that the “lack of medical need” for
rotavirus vaccines such as RotaTeq will limit their uptake in most
markets. RotaTeq is advertised to combat diarrhea that usually affects
infants under the age of two, and was introduced by Merck in the US in
2006, at a price of $200 for the three-dose regimen.

According to Ms Kresse, many countries, but not the US, have refused
to add the vaccine to their schedules due to cost-benefit reasons. “In
the developed world, rotavirus diarrhea is rarely severe for small
infants and quick and efficacious treatment is already available,” she
writes. “Consequently, healthcare authorities see no need to widely
introduce a very expensive vaccine.”

Datamonitor estimates that annual sales will remain limited to
approximately $1 billion across the 7 major markets by 2016 and
predicts that the US will account for the majority of sales, being the
only country to have recommended the rotavirus vaccine for all
infants.

Wyeth’s Prevnar vaccine came on the market in 2000 and is recommended
for children under 2. The vaccine was hailed as a breakthrough and had
sales of more than $1.5 billion in 2006. Prevnar is given as four
shots to children between 2 and 15 months.

On September 18, 2007, NewsMax reported that the vaccine has
dramatically curbed pneumonia and other serious illnesses in children
but is also having an unfortunate effect: “promoting new superbugs
that cause ear infections.”

According to NewsMax, doctors reported finding the first such germ
that is resistant to all drugs approved to treat childhood ear
infections and 9 toddlers in Rochester, N.Y., have had the bug and
that it also may be turning up elsewhere.

It is a strain of strep bacteria not included in the pneumococcal
vaccine. Prevnar prevents seven strains responsible for most cases of
pneumonia, meningitis and bloodstream infections. But dozens more
strains exist and some have become resistant to antibiotics since the
vaccine combats the more common strains.

If the new strains continue to spread, “it tells us the vaccine is
becoming less effective” and needs to be revised, Dr Dennis Maki,
infectious diseases chief at the University of Wisconsin-Madison
Hospitals and Clinics, told NewsMax.

A new study in the November 8, 2007 New England Journal of Medicine by
researchers at Oregon Health & Science University, supported by the
United States Public Health Service, suggests that the schedule for
vaccinating and revaccinating against diseases should be reevaluated
and adjusted.

The study found that in many cases, the established duration of
immunity for vaccines is greatly underestimated, which means that
people are getting booster shots when their immunity levels do not
require it and those antibody responses caused by viruses such as
measles mumps, and rubella remained at protective levels for several
decades and in most cases, for life.

The research also reconfirmed a previous finding by Slifka and his
colleagues: that the duration of immunity after smallpox vaccination
is much longer than previously thought. In that earlier study
published in the journal Nature Medicine in 2003, these OHSU
researchers observed surprisingly long-lived antiviral antibody
responses but they were unable to measure the slow rate of decline.

The study indicates that the duration of immunity after smallpox
vaccination is maintained with a calculated half-life of 92 years and
that a person who has received the primary series of tetanus vaccine
is likely to be protected for 3 decades.

Experts say we have allowed ourselves and our children to be overdosed
through a culture dominated by industry marketing influence which has
now become dangerously out of control and detrimental to our
children’s health. “In the 21st century, it is unacceptable to be
marketing medication to infants and children that may not work,” Dr
Steven Czinn, chair of the department of pediatrics at the University
of Maryland School of Medicine, told Reuters on October 11, 2007.

In the November 19, 2007 Huffington Post article, “Over Medicated and
Over-Vaccinated: The Unintended Consequence of Medicines Meant to
Protect,” Deirdre Imus asks, “Where are the conflict-free studies that
prove giving infants and children 49 immunizations - most of them by
age 5, are safe and effective?”

She points out that studies have provided evidence that the
over-vaccination of dogs and cats can result in numerous maladies
including cancer, skin and ear conditions, arthritis, allergies,
diabetes, aggression, behavior problems and other immune system
dysfunctions. “There is even a name for the conditions caused by
animal over-vaccination, vaccinosis,” she notes.

Ms Imus also points out that the mercury-containing preservative,
thimerosal, used in vaccines for over 50 years was removed from animal
vaccines in 1992.

“Unfortunately for the kids,” she writes, “it remained in children’s
vaccines for another decade and remains in some vaccines like the
influenza (25 micrograms) and tetanus vaccine (25 micrograms) today
and in trace amounts (3 micrograms) in some immunizations.”

She says most people do not realize is that any liquid waste
containing more than 200 parts per billion (ppb) mercury must be
deposited at a hazardous waste site and that drinking water cannot
exceed 2 ppb mercury.

“But when the influenza vaccines arrive and are injected into pregnant
woman and infants as young as six months, those vaccines contain
50,000 ppb mercury,” Ms Imus notes.

This amount of mercury is 250 times higher than hazardous waste, she
notes, and according to EPA guidelines, this amount can only be
considered safe if a person weighs 550 pounds. “Even trace amounts of
mercury in vaccines can be anywhere from 600 to 2000 ppb,” she warns.

On November 13, 2006, PutChildrenFirst.org, a parent-led organization
advocating vaccine safety, issued a press release to announce the
results of a survey conducted October 27-30, 2006, by Zogby
International of over 9,000 Americans to learn their plans for getting
flu shots, their knowledge of its ingredients, and who they hold
responsible for making sure vaccines are safe.

The survey showed that an overwhelming majority of Americans were
unaware that most flu shots contain mercury and that they would refuse
a shot with mercury. After learning that mercury is an ingredient, 74%
of those polled said they were less likely to get a flu shot and 86%
of parents said they were less likely to allow their child to get a
shot.

Lisa Handley is a founding parent of PutChildrenFirst.org, whose son
Jamison had an adverse reaction to a flu shot with mercury in 2003. “I
know firsthand how life-changing a flu shot with mercury can be, since
our son began his regression into autism after his flu shot,” she
states.

“With everything we know about the dangers of mercury and the havoc it
can wreak on young, developing brains, there is no excuse for any
vaccine to contain mercury,” says Lyn Redwood, RN, MSN, President of
SafeMinds, a nonprofit organization committed to ending
mercury-induced neurological disorders.

“The survey reveals that Americans are overwhelmingly in the dark
about what is in most flu shots,” Ms Redwood stated in the press
release.

“They do not want a known neurotoxin injected into their children, and
they believe Congress and medical professionals must be more vigilant
about keeping vaccines safe and mercury-free,” she added.

PutChildrenFirst also advises that two recent studies in leading
medical journals admitted that limited data exists to support the
effectiveness of flu vaccines. One study, in the Journal of the
American Medical Association, noted that, “there is scant data on the
efficacy and effectiveness of influenza vaccine in young children,”
the release notes.

According to Ms Imus, we are beginning to see prescribed vaccines,
like the whole cell DPT and Rotovirus, which are later found to be
unsafe.

“While physicians warn the public about the over use of antibiotics,”
she points out, “it is the physicians themselves that over-prescribed
these antibiotics for every ailment under the sun.”

“And like antibiotics,” she writes, “every time a new vaccine was
developed, it quickly found its way onto the immunization schedule
along with the recommended booster shots.”

“We are now reaping the unintended consequences of the overuse of
these medical interventions,” she states. “Instead of being healthier,
we have a nation of very sick children.”

Forcing parents to inject poisonous concoctions into innocent,
helpless children against their will is a gross violation of their
most basic parental rights.

Evelyn Pringle is an investigative journalist focused on exposing
corruption in government and corporate America.

Ilena Rose wrote:

The push to keep adding more vaccines to the mandatory schedules comes
directly from a purely profit motivated industry and a recent investor
report estimates that the world-wide market will quadruple from about
$4.3 billion in 2006 to more than $16 billion in 2016, with the
biggest boost coming from kids in the US.

So total sales of $4.6 billion becomes "billions of dollars of
profits", does it?

Please ask a passing child to tell you the difference between sales
and profits, Ilena. Make sure that the child has been vaccinated
against measles, because otherwise it might have brain damage from
meningitis (not that you would care).


A November 2007 report entitled, “Pipeline and Commercial Insight:
Pediatric and Adolescent Vaccines,” authored by vaccine analyst,
Hedwig Kresse, for the independent market analyst Datamonitor
discusses the future outlook for vaccine profits.

Another fool who apparently doesn't know (or care) about the
difference between sales and profits.

Ilena - you didn't answer my question about the Dutch auction at the
Coronado base. What was the lowest amount of money that a sailor would
take to, well you know ... ?

--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

Actually ... Peter with his twisted sexual hallucinations about me is
correct about one thing ... the enormous public relations budgets to
pay flacks etc. is shown under 'expenses' ... not 'profits.

Here shows Merck buying 'non profits' to hawk Gardasil ... we've
certainly seen the flacks pushing it here.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm


http://ilena-rosenthal.blogspot.com


http://www.cogforlife.org/gardasilmoneytrail.htm
Mandatory Childhood Vaccine Legislation Ignores The Contaminated
Culture That Created It

By Pam Martens

A national furor has erupted over another executive order. This time,
it’s not the President of the United States bypassing the legislative
branch of government to pass laws, it’s the Governor of one of the
three most populated states in the country. Rick Perry, Governor of
Texas, has signed an order making it mandatory for 11 and 12 year old
girls to be injected with a 3-shot regimen vaccine that’s been on the
market less than 9 months. Ostensibly, the vaccine is to prevent some
strains of human papillomavirus (HPV) that may cause cervical cancer,
a cancer that occurs annually in less than one-tenth of one percent of
women in the U.S.

The clinical trials for these 11 and 12 year old girls were limited to
a few hundred individuals of this age group and tested only for immune
response, not the efficacy of the drug in preventing the virus or
cervical cancer.

The vaccine comes from the big pharmaceutical maker, Merck, which is
currently facing down 27,400 lawsuits (as of 12/31/2006 according to
its own SEC filings ) over another of the drugs the company touted as
safe, Vioxx, just before it was taken off the market due to
cardiovascular risk. The lawsuits allege, and produce damaging
internal emails to back their assertions, that while Merck was telling
the public and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) about the safety
of Vioxx, internal correspondence at the company was confirming it
knew that Vioxx was causing heart attacks, essentially brushing it off
as the cost of doing business and telling its sales force to “DODGE”
questions arising from doctors about these risks.

According to the Wall Street Journal, this is a direct quote from an
internal email from Dr. Edward Scolnick, chief of research for Merck
at the time of the Vioxx subterfuge: In Vioxx, he wrote, “We have a
great drug and like angioedema with Vasotec and seizures with Primaxin
and myopathy with Mevacor there is always a hazard. The class will do
well and so will we.” Experts now believe that as many as 140,000
individuals suffered heart attacks, strokes and other serious medical
complications as a result of taking Vioxx. This business model of
injury and suffering to some for the benefit of "the class" could
certainly be challenged on many ethical fronts. But only a fool or a
conflicted regulatory body would fail to see it as a cautionary red
flag in the implementation of a vaccine for children for a disease
they stand a 1 in 15,000 chance of getting later in life, with no
clinical evidence that the duration of the vaccine will even last that
long.

The adequacy of Merck’s internal ethical culture to market vaccines
for children was further called into question in May 2005 when
Congress released Merck’s training manuals for its sales force. The
manuals gave the impression of being authored by a psychotic
intelligence operative who moonlighted as a used car salesman.[*]

While this latest vaccine, which goes by the proprietary name
Gardasil, was being fast tracked for review at the FDA, another
government agency, the IRS, was fast tracking charges that Merck owed
the Federal government over $2 Billion in back taxes. The amount Merck
is anticipated to have to pay out for Vioxx lawsuits and back taxes
could wipe out its cash reserves without an immediate infusion of big
sales from some other blockbuster drug. Enter Gardasil, whose 3-dose
regimen will cost a minimum of $360 per student.

With the stakes this high, Merck reached out to a non-profit group
called “Women in Government,” a group funded by it and other drug
companies that stand to benefit from the sale of Gardasil through the
use of co-licensing agreements and royalty payments. On May 18, 2006,
when the FDA held its hearing on whether to approve Gardasil, Kathryn
Guccione, an employee of Women in Government, appeared at the hearing
to ask the FDA to approve the vaccine. (Of the 9 public groups that
spoke at the hearing, 6 received financial support from Merck.)

While acknowledging to the FDA that her organization received funding
from Merck, Ms. Guccione also indicated that her group was responsible
for recently getting 39 states to formally introduce legislation or
resolutions calling attention to preventing cervical cancer. As more
and more states jumped on this fast moving train, Women in Government,
which had an executive from Merck sitting on its Business Council last
year, rolled out the second phase of the project once Gardasil was
approved in June 2006. The second phase was for their members, female
state lawmakers across the country, to introduce the actual
legislation that would mandate that six grade girls receive the
Gardasil vaccine in order to enter school. At least 20 states now have
this legislation pending, most of it introduced by members of Women in
Government.

I sent an email to Women in Government asking for the specific dollar
amount of funding they had received from Merck. Ms. Guccione responded
in an email: “We leave it up to our supporters if they wish to share
specific funding information.” The organization’s 990 tax form that is
publicly available shows it has received over $5.7 million in total
funds for the period 2002 through 2005. It does not list its donors’
names or the amount they have given.

But Women in Government was the tip of the iceberg. Merck was spending
tens of millions of dollars funding other non profits (who engaged
high profile celebrities), TV advertising and PR firms to create a
saturated public climate ready to embrace a new mandatory vaccine.

And then there were Merck’s acknowledged lobbyists. The Associated
Press has reported that one of Merck’s lobbyists in Texas, Mike
Toomey, is the former chief of staff to Governor Rick Perry. This
might help explain why a conservative Republican Governor would risk a
tidal wave of conservative backlash by skirting the legislative branch
to pass an order that is highly questionable on both a medical basis
as well as parental rights.

The real clue may be buried in the hundreds of pages of documents
related to Gardasil that reside on the FDA’s web site. On June 8,
2006, the FDA sent a letter to Merck approving its license for
Gardasil. But there was a caveat. The FDA wanted more safety
information gathered in a new study of 11 and 12 year old girls. The
letter said: “…a sufficient number of children 11-12 years of age will
be studied to permit an analysis of safety outcomes. The final study
protocol will be submitted by December 31, 2006. Patient accrual will
be completed by December 31, 2008.” This meant that Merck was going to
need to enroll a large number of 11 and 12 year old girls and get the
willing and informed signatures of parents who didn’t know about
Merck’s history with Vioxx before December 2008. Enter the mandatory
order from the Texas governor requiring mandatory vaccinations of
sixth grade girls entering school in September 2008. On its face, this
could be interpreted as a mandatory clinical trial on orders from the
Governor of Texas to augment the inadequate one conducted by Merck.

As jaded as this chronology appears, an equally questionable role was
played by the government agencies mandated to protect the public
health.

The day after the FDA held its hearing on Gardasil, it met again to
discuss its future mandates with outside experts. A transcript of that
meeting quotes an FDA associate director of research, Dr. Kathryn
Carbone, as follows: “When I arrived here 10 years ago, in fact, I was
instructed never to mention the word ‘research’ and FDA in the same
sentence.” A slide presented as part of this meeting now lists two
goals for the FDA: (1) “Ensure the safety and efficacy of vaccines and
related biological products for human use;” and (2) “Facilitate the
development, evaluation, licensure and use of new vaccines and related
products that positively impact the public health.”

Why should the FDA be concerned with licensing products for big
pharma? Aside from the stated goal of ensuring the public health, it’s
also big bucks for government workers.

According to the federal government’s Office of Technology Transfer at
the National Institute of Health (NIH), researchers working for the
FDA or NIH and are credited with an invention can “receive the first
$2,000 received from a licensee. Next, they receive 15 percent of
royalties received above $2,000 up to $50,000. Finally, they receive
25 percent of royalties in excess of the first $50,000 received each
year. Each inventor cannot receive more than $150,000 in royalty
payments for a calendar year.”

So the question arises: if you’re a government employee at the FDA and
you know your government colleagues could earn millions over a
lifetime for a drug invention, are you going to shoot down their
license application; especially when your agency is strapped for funds
and intramural grants from these sister agencies are keeping you
afloat?

According to the Office of Technology Transfer, it collected $82.7
million in royalty payments from 882 license agreements or amendments
in fiscal year 2006.

And guess where Gardasil originated; in a lab at a federal agency.
According to an Office of Technology Transfer document, “The
underlying technology for the vaccine originated in the laboratories
of Drs. John Schiller and Douglas Lowy of the NIH National Caner
Institute (NCI)…Working with the NCI technology transfer office, the
NIH Office of Technology Transfer (OTT) oversaw the patenting of the
VLPs. OTT then sought a suitable [emphasis added] company with the
necessary resources to formulate the vaccine and to conduct clinical
trails. The technology was licensed to Merck….”

And this answers one more question: why was GlaxoSmithKline also
funding Women in Government. It has its own competing vaccine in the
pipeline. According to Merck’s SEC filings (and backed up by NIH
documents) “In February 2005, the Company announced that it and
GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) entered into a cross-license and settlement
agreement for certain patent rights related to HPV vaccines. Pursuant
to the agreement, GSK will receive an upfront payment and royalties
from the Company based upon sales of Gardasil….)

If ever there was a message of hope to those downtrodden FDA whistle
blowers and public citizens calling for an investigation of the
regulatory structure of the FDA, surely this is it. And, hopefully, it
comes before a pack of callous corporate owners of underwater stock
options and Washington bureaucrats stick it to our Nation’s children.
Pam Martens is an independent writer living in New Hampshire.
[*] Merck's sales force training manuals and related documents:
http://oversight.house.gov/features/vioxx/documents.asp

http://ahrp.blogspot.com/2007/02/mor...-for-viox.html

On Mar 5, 3:26*am, Peter Bowditch wrote:


(How is the Dutch auction at the Coronado base going? What is the
lowest amount of money you had to pay a sailor to "service" you?)

--
Grow up Peter--exactly how old are you anyways? You might think
your little degrading comments are cute--but I certainly do not see
you posting the same things about any other the women that post in the
MHA,
all of those you know----but appear to be smitten with you.
These comments are totally degrading to women---and you are hardly
anything
anyone in their right mind would enjoy looking at unless they were
drunk and blind!

I noticed the insults were back in full swing this morning--must have
hit one or two
raw nerves--whenever people post things you, and the rest of the Good
Housekeeping
seal of approval gang do not like---then the insults start flying---
you usually start with
Ilena--and I'm sure I am next.....

I could care less -- as long as you keep this whole thing in
prospective ----as solely for
entertainment only---it's a puppet show.....I was trying to figure out
how you could have been seen on a beach in Florida, and be posting
from Australia at the same time-----thats when I realized it was a
puppet show!! Does Shari Lewis pull your strings?

On Mar 5, 6:10*am, Ilena Rose wrote:

The Vac Flacks are working overtime ... the new information about
their Industry being held accountable for destroying one child's life
is a Vac PR Flack Dream! More work for them to spin and lie and insult
and make up false facts!

Ilena--quit taking this so personal---relax, grab yourself some
popcorn, and
kick back.....it's a puppet show---they can only program the puppets
to be
insulting.....laugh....will ya?

You and I do not always see eye to eye---but I certainly do not like
the comments
Peter B makes towards you and sailors. Those are disgusting!!

The worse thing you can do to someone that has spun information----is
to present
information that sends them indeed into the spin cycle----keep 'em
spinning, one of them
will eventually throw up----and after one throws up I guarantee there
will be joiners---who wants to be
caught with their hands in the cooky jar giving out information that
could come back and bite them
in the you no where!!

Laugh---lighten 'up this is funny....!!!!

Bee wrote:

On Mar 5, 3:26*am, Peter Bowditch wrote:


(How is the Dutch auction at the Coronado base going? What is the
lowest amount of money you had to pay a sailor to "service" you?)

--
Grow up Peter--exactly how old are you anyways? You might think
your little degrading comments are cute--but I certainly do not see
you posting the same things about any other the women that post in the
MHA,

Most of the other women don't post continual lies about me. Also, most
of the other women haven't boasted about screwing someone at the Taj
Mahal and haven't rung someone up to tell him that they were taking a
bath and getting their clothes off made them think of him.

In any case, poking Ilena with a sharp stick is amusing, and you
yourself have said that this place is only here for entertainment.

(Note: The expression "poking Ilena with a sharp stick" should not be
taken to imply that I would want to poke Ilena with anything else. The
doctor might prescribe cipro and then I would get kidney stones - see
other thread for details.)


all of those you know----but appear to be smitten with you.
These comments are totally degrading to women---and you are hardly
anything
anyone in their right mind would enjoy looking at unless they were
drunk and blind!

Yes, that is how most people feel about Ilena.


I noticed the insults were back in full swing this morning--must have
hit one or two
raw nerves--whenever people post things you, and the rest of the Good
Housekeeping
seal of approval gang do not like---then the insults start flying---
you usually start with
Ilena--and I'm sure I am next.....

Why would I want to insult you, Debster?


I could care less -- as long as you keep this whole thing in
prospective ----as solely for
entertainment only---it's a puppet show.....I was trying to figure out
how you could have been seen on a beach in Florida, and be posting
from Australia at the same time-----thats when I realized it was a
puppet show!! Does Shari Lewis pull your strings?

The last time I saw Shari Lewis she had her hand up a sock puppet. I
am not a sock puppet, and as for where the hand goes ...

--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
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"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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On Mar 4, 1:48 pm, Ilena Rose wrote:
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Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover

Bravo to David Kirby and the Imuses ...

Two f the Merchants of Disease, Disability and Death.

and to Huff Post

The mouthpiece of the Merchants of Disease, Disability and Death.