help with child support modification

I have a court date to modify my child support order. I have two cases and I
filed for a modification because I married and have two more kids with my
wife. I can't take care if my two kids thst live with me and my wife and pay
$1,700 a month in child support. Does anybody know what usually happens at
these things when the CP does not have a lawywer?

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 05:30:15 GMT, "glenburke" u38768@uwe wrote:

I have a court date to modify my child support order. I have two cases and I
filed for a modification because I married and have two more kids with my
wife. I can't take care if my two kids thst live with me and my wife and pay
$1,700 a month in child support. Does anybody know what usually happens at
these things when the CP does not have a lawywer?

Even with a lawyer, you're likely to lose in court. Many (most?)
judges will not consider second families as a good reason to reduce
child support to your first family.

Nan

Nan wrote:
I have a court date to modify my child support order. I have two cases and I
filed for a modification because I married and have two more kids with my
wife. I can't take care if my two kids thst live with me and my wife and pay
$1,700 a month in child support. Does anybody know what usually happens at
these things when the CP does not have a lawywer?

Even with a lawyer, you're likely to lose in court. Many (most?)
judges will not consider second families as a good reason to reduce
child support to your first family.

Nan
why not? My ex told me they may even award her more money because she settled
for less than the state guidelines required. Is that true?

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"glenburke" u38768@uwe wrote in message news:7aa54d40d5856@uwe...
I have a court date to modify my child support order. I have two cases and
I
filed for a modification because I married and have two more kids with my
wife. I can't take care if my two kids thst live with me and my wife and
pay
$1,700 a month in child support. Does anybody know what usually happens at
these things when the CP does not have a lawywer?


Does making new responsibilities for yourself with your new family remove
your obligation to your first family? I don't think so, and I doubt a court
will either.

In article 7aa54d40d5856@uwe, glenburke says...

I have a court date to modify my child support order. I have two cases and I
filed for a modification because I married and have two more kids with my
wife. I can't take care if my two kids thst live with me and my wife and pay
$1,700 a month in child support. Does anybody know what usually happens at
these things when the CP does not have a lawywer?


He gets his butt kicked. Obligations to one's children don't diminish because
one up and went to have another family - you knew your obligation when you had
those kids. Believe me, time and time again they get the "but I have these
*other* kids now" plea.

Get a lawyer.

Banty

In article 7aa85754d3fc6@uwe, glenburke via FamilyKB.com says...

Nan wrote:
I have a court date to modify my child support order. I have two cases and I
filed for a modification because I married and have two more kids with my
wife. I can't take care if my two kids thst live with me and my wife and pay
$1,700 a month in child support. Does anybody know what usually happens at
these things when the CP does not have a lawywer?

Even with a lawyer, you're likely to lose in court. Many (most?)
judges will not consider second families as a good reason to reduce
child support to your first family.

Nan
why not? My ex told me they may even award her more money because she settled
for less than the state guidelines required. Is that true?


Call.
Lawyer.
Now.

Banty

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:18:30 GMT, "glenburke via FamilyKB.com"
u38768@uwe wrote:

Nan wrote:
I have a court date to modify my child support order. I have two cases and I
filed for a modification because I married and have two more kids with my
wife. I can't take care if my two kids thst live with me and my wife and pay
$1,700 a month in child support. Does anybody know what usually happens at
these things when the CP does not have a lawywer?

Even with a lawyer, you're likely to lose in court. Many (most?)
judges will not consider second families as a good reason to reduce
child support to your first family.

Nan

why not?

Because having a new family does not erase or reduce your
responsibility to your first family. You created a second family
knowing your debt. If you can't afford child support because of a new
family you may need to consider getting a second job.

My ex told me they may even award her more money because she settled
for less than the state guidelines required. Is that true?

I think it's certainly possible.

Look, judges don't like to hear, "But I have new kids now and can't
afford the old ones!"
As Banty said, get a lawyer. I don't know what state you live in, but
in Indiana you can only ask for a modification if your income has
reduced by at least 20% since the previous order. You need to check
the laws in your state and be sure you won't be wasting yours and the
court's time, and possibly ticking off the judge to the point he
raises your obligation if you're not paying the full amount.

Nan

Nan wrote:
I have a court date to modify my child support order. I have two cases and I
filed for a modification because I married and have two more kids with my
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]

Nan

why not?

Because having a new family does not erase or reduce your
responsibility to your first family. You created a second family
knowing your debt. If you can't afford child support because of a new
family you may need to consider getting a second job.

My ex told me they may even award her more money because she settled
for less than the state guidelines required. Is that true?

I think it's certainly possible.

Look, judges don't like to hear, "But I have new kids now and can't
afford the old ones!"
As Banty said, get a lawyer. I don't know what state you live in, but
in Indiana you can only ask for a modification if your income has
reduced by at least 20% since the previous order. You need to check
the laws in your state and be sure you won't be wasting yours and the
court's time, and possibly ticking off the judge to the point he
raises your obligation if you're not paying the full amount.

Nan
It's because the Government makes money everytime they "collect child"
support from the father, not because it has anything to do with taking care
of the child. It is just another way for women to get free money. You are
screwed!

In article 7aaaa3c712f6c@uwe, dandj says...

Nan wrote:
I have a court date to modify my child support order. I have two cases and I
filed for a modification because I married and have two more kids with my
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]

Nan

why not?

Because having a new family does not erase or reduce your
responsibility to your first family. You created a second family
knowing your debt. If you can't afford child support because of a new
family you may need to consider getting a second job.

My ex told me they may even award her more money because she settled
for less than the state guidelines required. Is that true?

I think it's certainly possible.

Look, judges don't like to hear, "But I have new kids now and can't
afford the old ones!"
As Banty said, get a lawyer. I don't know what state you live in, but
in Indiana you can only ask for a modification if your income has
reduced by at least 20% since the previous order. You need to check
the laws in your state and be sure you won't be wasting yours and the
court's time, and possibly ticking off the judge to the point he
raises your obligation if you're not paying the full amount.

Nan
It's because the Government makes money everytime they "collect child"
support from the father, not because it has anything to do with taking care
of the child. It is just another way for women to get free money. You are
screwed!


Oh phooey. The non-custodial parent has this obligation, whether the mother or
the father. I work daily with someone at work who is a non-cutodial mother. A
year or so ago, we had a woman in this newsgroup, a non-custodial parent,
remarried and with a new baby, asking some of the same questions. Putting the
"my first baby was able to have me stay at home and nurse her, oh whyyyy can't
my new baby have me stay at home and nurse her too it's not faaiir." Well, the
answer was - she needed to maintain her income to meet child support payments to
her two teens who lived elsewhere with their father.

As more and more men take real responsibility for *raising* their kids, more and
more they'll be the custodial parent taking in child support payments, and/or
being a co-custodial, co-resident parent not owing child support payments.

The way for men to avoid paying child support is:
a. Maintain your marriage (which starts with choosing a good stable partner, not
the most interesting ****)
b. Foster your partner in having an earning capacity of her own (which starts by
actually having education, actually having jobs, experience)
c. Take an active, minute to minute, day to day role in raising your kids.

"a" will keep you out of the divorce courts period, "b" and "c" will make you
acustodial parent, or a co-custodial co-resident parent with the ex earning real
income.

Then, you don't have to pay child support.


BTW, if the "government" is collecting child support, that means child support
hasnt' been paid voluntarily.

Banty

Banty wrote:
I have a court date to modify my child support order. I have two cases and I
filed for a modification because I married and have two more kids with my
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
of the child. It is just another way for women to get free money. You are
screwed!

Oh phooey. The non-custodial parent has this obligation, whether the mother or
the father. I work daily with someone at work who is a non-cutodial mother. A
year or so ago, we had a woman in this newsgroup, a non-custodial parent,
remarried and with a new baby, asking some of the same questions. Putting the
"my first baby was able to have me stay at home and nurse her, oh whyyyy can't
my new baby have me stay at home and nurse her too it's not faaiir." Well, the
answer was - she needed to maintain her income to meet child support payments to
her two teens who lived elsewhere with their father.

As more and more men take real responsibility for *raising* their kids, more and
more they'll be the custodial parent taking in child support payments, and/or
being a co-custodial, co-resident parent not owing child support payments.

The way for men to avoid paying child support is:
a. Maintain your marriage (which starts with choosing a good stable partner, not
the most interesting ****)
b. Foster your partner in having an earning capacity of her own (which starts by
actually having education, actually having jobs, experience)
c. Take an active, minute to minute, day to day role in raising your kids.

"a" will keep you out of the divorce courts period, "b" and "c" will make you
acustodial parent, or a co-custodial co-resident parent with the ex earning real
income.

Then, you don't have to pay child support.

BTW, if the "government" is collecting child support, that means child support
hasnt' been paid voluntarily.

Banty
I haveto agree that it is free money. I have to pay taxes on that money but
my ex's don't even have to claim it on their taxes as income. That's free
money.

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