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Death may scare public off H1N1 shot
Death may scare public off H1N1 shot
Nov. 9, 2009 Judy Siegel-Itzkovich , THE JERUSALEM POST http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull The sudden death of a 75-year-old man at home on Friday, two days after he was vaccinated against the H1N1 (swine flu) virus may lead others to hesitate to get vaccinated, officials say. Such an event was feared by the Health Ministry and the Prime Minister's Office, which launched an expensive vaccination campaign just a few days ago. The death "apparently" had nothing to do with the shot, the ministry said. The man, who lived in Bat Yam but was not further identified, had been undergoing ambulatory dialysis for acute renal insufficiency and also suffered from heart disease. His family refused to allow an autopsy, the ministry said, so the exact cause of death cannot be determined. The ministry said on Sunday that the first group to get their shots are those at high risk for complications of the H1N1 flu and that it is "likely" that his serious diseases caused his death. By instruction of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, some 7.3 million doses of H1N1 flu vaccine - enough for every resident over the age of six months - have been ordered at a cost of NIS 500 million. Although Health Ministry public health officials advised Netanyahu - who holds the health portfolio, though the ministry is run by Deputy Health Minister Ya'acov Litzman - to import many fewer doses, Netanyahu decided otherwise. The prime minister appeared at the press conference that launched the campaign and called on everyone to get the shot as a "civic duty" even though he himself did not bare his arm; his spokesman said Netanyahu would "consult with his personal physician" before deciding whether to be vaccinated. Litzman, who was also at the press conference, didn't take the shot, either, but Health Ministry director-general Dr. Eitan Hai-Am did, as the cameras clicked. The ministry said that the H1N1 vaccines are strongly endorsed by the World Health Organization. In the fall of 2006, after two elderly men died a few days after getting vaccinated at their health fund clinic against ordinary flu, Israelis nearly stopped getting the shots. Even then-health minister Ya'acov Ben-Yizri, 79, getting a flu shot on camera to build public confidence flopped. As a result, many hundreds of thousands of doses had to be destroyed because they are effective for only a year. The H1N1 vaccine may also be unusable next fall and winter if the virus mutates into a different strain. Several months ago, a ministry poll showed that at least a quarter of the public said they were not interested in getting an H1N1 flu shot. So far, the queues for getting the H1N1 flu shot have been short. Since Rosh Hashana, more than 13 percent of the public has gone for a seasonal flu shot, including only about half of the elderly who are at high risk. Dr. Itamar Grotto, the Health Ministry's chief of public health, said on Sunday night that some 10,000 people - especially medical staffers, as well as patients at high risk for complications of the H1N1 flu - have been vaccinated so far. After any vaccination, the individual must wait in the clinic for 20 minutes to make sure he is not among the very rare people who have a severe reaction from an allergy to the egg white in which the vaccine is prepared. |
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Death may scare public off H1N1 shot
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:47:05 -0000, "john" wrote:
The sudden death of a 75-year-old man at home on Friday, two days after he was vaccinated against the H1N1 (swine flu) virus ....The man, who lived in Bat Yam but was not further identified, had been undergoing ambulatory dialysis for acute renal insufficiency and also suffered from heart disease. A 75 year old man with heart disease and kidney failure dies suddenly (but hardly unexpectedly) and you think it is caused by a vaccination 2 days earlier? Even by your normal standards of imaginative misinterpretation this seems a bit unlikely. |
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Death may scare public off H1N1 shot
Peter Parry wrote:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:47:05 -0000, "john" wrote: The sudden death of a 75-year-old man at home on Friday, two days after he was vaccinated against the H1N1 (swine flu) virus ....The man, who lived in Bat Yam but was not further identified, had been undergoing ambulatory dialysis for acute renal insufficiency and also suffered from heart disease. A 75 year old man with heart disease and kidney failure dies suddenly (but hardly unexpectedly) and you think it is caused by a vaccination 2 days earlier? Even by your normal standards of imaginative misinterpretation this seems a bit unlikely. There is an inconsistency: when someone with a serious illness contracts H1N1 flu and then dies then it is "obvious" that the swine flu was the primary cause or at least a contributing factor. But when someone with a serious illness gets an H1N1 jab and dies shortly afterwards then the vaccine is never a factor. Never! How come? And please no BS about "we know how it works, it does not kill anyone" - this is circular logic. |
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Death may scare public off H1N1 shot
Mike wrote:
Peter Parry wrote: On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:47:05 -0000, "john" wrote: The sudden death of a 75-year-old man at home on Friday, two days after he was vaccinated against the H1N1 (swine flu) virus ....The man, who lived in Bat Yam but was not further identified, had been undergoing ambulatory dialysis for acute renal insufficiency and also suffered from heart disease. A 75 year old man with heart disease and kidney failure dies suddenly (but hardly unexpectedly) and you think it is caused by a vaccination 2 days earlier? Even by your normal standards of imaginative misinterpretation this seems a bit unlikely. There is an inconsistency: when someone with a serious illness contracts H1N1 flu and then dies then it is "obvious" that the swine flu was the primary cause or at least a contributing factor. But when someone with a serious illness gets an H1N1 jab and dies shortly afterwards then the vaccine is never a factor. Never! How come? And please no BS about "we know how it works, it does not kill anyone" - this is circular logic. Circular logic for circular ******s. |
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Death may scare public off H1N1 shot
"john" wrote in message ... Death may scare public off H1N1 shot Typical fear monger whose own post goes against him. Nov. 9, 2009 Judy Siegel-Itzkovich , THE JERUSALEM POST http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull The sudden death of a 75-year-old man at home on Friday, two days after he was vaccinated against the H1N1 (swine flu) virus may lead others to hesitate to get vaccinated, officials say. The death "apparently" had nothing to do with the shot, the ministry said. The man, had been undergoing ambulatory dialysis for acute renal insufficiency and also suffered from heart disease. His family refused to allow an autopsy, the ministry said, so the exact cause of death cannot be determined. (side note, most likely he had been suffocated) After any vaccination, the individual must wait in the clinic for 20 minutes to make sure he is not among the very rare people who have a severe reaction from an allergy to the egg white in which the vaccine is prepared. Note the last statement regarding *any* vaccination, and allergy to egg white.............. As usual John is an idiot, bases his beliefs on unfounded ole wives tales, hearsay, rumors, and delusions of a paranoid mind. But heh, he *is* one whale of a guy. |
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Death may scare public off H1N1 shot
"Mike" wrote in message ... Peter Parry wrote: On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:47:05 -0000, "john" wrote: The sudden death of a 75-year-old man at home on Friday, two days after he was vaccinated against the H1N1 (swine flu) virus ....The man, who lived in Bat Yam but was not further identified, had been undergoing ambulatory dialysis for acute renal insufficiency and also suffered from heart disease. A 75 year old man with heart disease and kidney failure dies suddenly (but hardly unexpectedly) and you think it is caused by a vaccination 2 days earlier? Even by your normal standards of imaginative misinterpretation this seems a bit unlikely. There is an inconsistency: when someone with a serious illness contracts H1N1 flu and then dies then it is "obvious" that the swine flu was the primary cause or at least a contributing factor. But when someone with a serious illness gets an H1N1 jab and dies shortly afterwards then the vaccine is never a factor. Never! How come? And please no BS about "we know how it works, it does not kill anyone" - this is circular logic. Had you read the full article you would have seen a mention of egg white that would answer your fake question. You see, it is painfully obvious that you have an agenda of your own sort of like that *fool* twirp posting here. |
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Death may scare public off H1N1 shot
"Mike" wrote in message
... Peter Parry wrote: On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:47:05 -0000, "john" wrote: The sudden death of a 75-year-old man at home on Friday, two days after he was vaccinated against the H1N1 (swine flu) virus ....The man, who lived in Bat Yam but was not further identified, had been undergoing ambulatory dialysis for acute renal insufficiency and also suffered from heart disease. A 75 year old man with heart disease and kidney failure dies suddenly (but hardly unexpectedly) and you think it is caused by a vaccination 2 days earlier? Even by your normal standards of imaginative misinterpretation this seems a bit unlikely. There is an inconsistency: when someone with a serious illness contracts H1N1 flu and then dies then it is "obvious" that the swine flu was the primary cause or at least a contributing factor. But when someone with a serious illness gets an H1N1 jab and dies shortly afterwards then the vaccine is never a factor. Never! How come? And please no BS about "we know how it works, it does not kill anyone" - this is circular logic. Those dying from the H1N1 virus typically wind up in hospital with respiratory failure and requiring ventilation before succumbing to that fairly common and obvious complication of the illness. This man died suddenly at home, a not uncommon event in both vaccinated and unvaccinated elderly people. It could be related to the vaccine, but only finding an unusual number of associated sudden deaths would make that the most likely interpretation.. PM. |
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Death may scare public off H1N1 shot
Peter Moran wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message ... Peter Parry wrote: On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:47:05 -0000, "john" wrote: The sudden death of a 75-year-old man at home on Friday, two days after he was vaccinated against the H1N1 (swine flu) virus ....The man, who lived in Bat Yam but was not further identified, had been undergoing ambulatory dialysis for acute renal insufficiency and also suffered from heart disease. A 75 year old man with heart disease and kidney failure dies suddenly (but hardly unexpectedly) and you think it is caused by a vaccination 2 days earlier? Even by your normal standards of imaginative misinterpretation this seems a bit unlikely. There is an inconsistency: when someone with a serious illness contracts H1N1 flu and then dies then it is "obvious" that the swine flu was the primary cause or at least a contributing factor. But when someone with a serious illness gets an H1N1 jab and dies shortly afterwards then the vaccine is never a factor. Never! How come? And please no BS about "we know how it works, it does not kill anyone" - this is circular logic. Those dying from the H1N1 virus typically wind up in hospital with respiratory failure and requiring ventilation before succumbing to that fairly common and obvious complication of the illness. This man died suddenly at home, a not uncommon event in both vaccinated and unvaccinated elderly people. It could be related to the vaccine, but only finding an unusual number of associated sudden deaths would make that the most likely interpretation.. PM. I did not say it is the most likely interpretation. I said that it cannot be ruled out as a contributing factor. All vaccines have side effects, for some even death is included as a possible side effect in the vaccine inserts. |
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Death may scare public off H1N1 shot
"tools" wrote in message ... Peter B-Aboriginal wrote: "tools" wrote in message ... Peter B-Aboriginal wrote: "tools" wrote in message ... Peter B-Aboriginal wrote: "Mike" wrote in message ... Peter B-Aboriginal wrote: "Mike" wrote in message ... Peter Parry wrote: On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:47:05 -0000, "john" wrote: The sudden death of a 75-year-old man at home on Friday, two days after he was vaccinated against the H1N1 (swine flu) virus ....The man, who lived in Bat Yam but was not further identified, had been undergoing ambulatory dialysis for acute renal insufficiency and also suffered from heart disease. A 75 year old man with heart disease and kidney failure dies suddenly (but hardly unexpectedly) and you think it is caused by a vaccination 2 days earlier? Even by your normal standards of imaginative misinterpretation this seems a bit unlikely. There is an inconsistency: when someone with a serious illness contracts H1N1 flu and then dies then it is "obvious" that the swine flu was the primary cause or at least a contributing factor. But when someone with a serious illness gets an H1N1 jab and dies shortly afterwards then the vaccine is never a factor. Never! How come? And please no BS about "we know how it works, it does not kill anyone" - this is circular logic. Had you read the full article you would have seen a mention of egg white that would answer your fake question. You see, it is painfully obvious that you have an agenda of your own sort of like that *fool* twirp posting here. You lie. Here is a quote about egg white: ************************************************** **** After any vaccination, the individual must wait in the clinic for 20 minutes to make sure he is not among the very rare people who have a severe reaction from an allergy to the egg white in which the vaccine is prepared. ************************************************** **** There is nothing in the article suggesting the unfortunate man had an egg allergy. Is your name ignorant Mike, Mikie the one with poor reading comprehension, Mikey the poor bumbling fool that cannot put two and two together? Yes. You said, "There is an inconsistency: when someone with a serious illness contracts H1N1 flu and then dies then it is "obvious" that the swine flu was the primary cause or at least a contributing factor. But when someone with a serious illness gets an H1N1 jab and dies shortly afterwards then the vaccine is never a factor. Never! How come?" Then the article stated the allergic reaction. It was a possibility, no one said it was his reaction. There was just a mention in the article had you read it enumerating contributing factors. Then bright boy there is the issue of a 10 day period for the vaccine to take effect, then there is also his well known health problems. You were the one looking to see, or so you say, plausible reasons that it wasn't the vaccine, but at the same time leaning towards blaming the vaccine anyhow. All you idiots sound like something from the 17th century who had multiple fears, and everything was voodoo and witchcraft. We do not live in a perfect world. You take your chances and live or die by them. It is easier to be killed by a car than vaccine. It is easier to die in a war then by vaccine. Heck, it is easier to die from a household accident then a vaccine. It is far more likely that you will die from a virus then a vaccine. So, Peter, have you had the shot or the mist yet? Why not? Are you going to give it to your family too? Please do so soon. C'mon here "t" your daddy wants to give his little boy a kiss. C'mon, just a little closer.. C'mon, don't be afraid of your daddy...... BACK OFF SUCKER! THAT'S SOME BAD BREATH YOU'VE GOT GOIN ON THERE! PHEW! So, you have not taken the shot or the mist that you want everyone else to take. Nice. And, you know nothing about it beyond what you are told by the sellers of it. Hey, I have a car out back that only needs a little work and it will get great mileage and go 300MPH. I will let you buy it . No you do not need to see it before you buy it, just trust me. Use your brain, oh sorry..... Let me help you understand, I am not in any of the groups that come first for the vaccination and as you know there is a slight shortfall of meds. That said I have a natural resistance to such things due to the nature of my profession/practice/occupation/work/etc. In other words ask if you will that is my answer. So pay a "doctor" enough and I am sure that you can get some of the "short" vac. Do it for research, your self, to proove your point, who cares why. I believe you will not get it even if they have buckets full. I believe that you are full of ****. Let me get this straight, I don't need it, but you want me to pay enough (bribe) a doctor to get so and possibly steal a life from someone that needs it to somehow prove your point? Yes. you are as sick as Jan. |
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Death may scare public off H1N1 shot
Peter B-Aboriginal wrote:
"tools" wrote in message ... Peter B-Aboriginal wrote: "tools" wrote in message ... Peter B-Aboriginal wrote: "tools" wrote in message ... Peter B-Aboriginal wrote: "Mike" wrote in message ... Peter B-Aboriginal wrote: "Mike" wrote in message ... Peter Parry wrote: On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:47:05 -0000, "john" wrote: The sudden death of a 75-year-old man at home on Friday, two days after he was vaccinated against the H1N1 (swine flu) virus ....The man, who lived in Bat Yam but was not further identified, had been undergoing ambulatory dialysis for acute renal insufficiency and also suffered from heart disease. A 75 year old man with heart disease and kidney failure dies suddenly (but hardly unexpectedly) and you think it is caused by a vaccination 2 days earlier? Even by your normal standards of imaginative misinterpretation this seems a bit unlikely. There is an inconsistency: when someone with a serious illness contracts H1N1 flu and then dies then it is "obvious" that the swine flu was the primary cause or at least a contributing factor. But when someone with a serious illness gets an H1N1 jab and dies shortly afterwards then the vaccine is never a factor. Never! How come? And please no BS about "we know how it works, it does not kill anyone" - this is circular logic. Had you read the full article you would have seen a mention of egg white that would answer your fake question. You see, it is painfully obvious that you have an agenda of your own sort of like that *fool* twirp posting here. You lie. Here is a quote about egg white: ************************************************** **** After any vaccination, the individual must wait in the clinic for 20 minutes to make sure he is not among the very rare people who have a severe reaction from an allergy to the egg white in which the vaccine is prepared. ************************************************** **** There is nothing in the article suggesting the unfortunate man had an egg allergy. Is your name ignorant Mike, Mikie the one with poor reading comprehension, Mikey the poor bumbling fool that cannot put two and two together? Yes. You said, "There is an inconsistency: when someone with a serious illness contracts H1N1 flu and then dies then it is "obvious" that the swine flu was the primary cause or at least a contributing factor. But when someone with a serious illness gets an H1N1 jab and dies shortly afterwards then the vaccine is never a factor. Never! How come?" Then the article stated the allergic reaction. It was a possibility, no one said it was his reaction. There was just a mention in the article had you read it enumerating contributing factors. Then bright boy there is the issue of a 10 day period for the vaccine to take effect, then there is also his well known health problems. You were the one looking to see, or so you say, plausible reasons that it wasn't the vaccine, but at the same time leaning towards blaming the vaccine anyhow. All you idiots sound like something from the 17th century who had multiple fears, and everything was voodoo and witchcraft. We do not live in a perfect world. You take your chances and live or die by them. It is easier to be killed by a car than vaccine. It is easier to die in a war then by vaccine. Heck, it is easier to die from a household accident then a vaccine. It is far more likely that you will die from a virus then a vaccine. So, Peter, have you had the shot or the mist yet? Why not? Are you going to give it to your family too? Please do so soon. C'mon here "t" your daddy wants to give his little boy a kiss. C'mon, just a little closer.. C'mon, don't be afraid of your daddy...... BACK OFF SUCKER! THAT'S SOME BAD BREATH YOU'VE GOT GOIN ON THERE! PHEW! So, you have not taken the shot or the mist that you want everyone else to take. Nice. And, you know nothing about it beyond what you are told by the sellers of it. Hey, I have a car out back that only needs a little work and it will get great mileage and go 300MPH. I will let you buy it . No you do not need to see it before you buy it, just trust me. Use your brain, oh sorry..... Let me help you understand, I am not in any of the groups that come first for the vaccination and as you know there is a slight shortfall of meds. That said I have a natural resistance to such things due to the nature of my profession/practice/occupation/work/etc. In other words ask if you will that is my answer. So pay a "doctor" enough and I am sure that you can get some of the "short" vac. Do it for research, your self, to proove your point, who cares why. I believe you will not get it even if they have buckets full. I believe that you are full of ****. Let me get this straight, I don't need it, but you want me to pay enough (bribe) a doctor to get so and possibly steal a life from someone that needs it to somehow prove your point? Man! you must have went to the industrial brainwash! A spotless mind! |
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