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Old June 23rd 08, 11:07 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.nursing,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
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SUICIDES 'LINKED TO PHONE MASTS'
Sunday June 22,2008
Lucy Johnston

THE spate of deaths among young people in Britain's suicide capital could be
linked to radio waves from dozens of mobile phone transmitter masts near the
victims' homes.

http://www.express.co.uk/printer/view/49330/

Dr Roger Coghill, who sits on a Government advisory committee on mobile
radiation, has discovered that all 22 youngsters who have killed themselves
in Bridgend, South Wales, over the past 18 months lived far closer than
average to a mast.

He has examined worldwide studies linking proximity of masts to depression.
Dr Coghill's work is likely to trigger alarm and lead to closer scrutiny of
the safety of masts, which are frequently sited on public buildings such as
schools and hospitals.

It is also likely to fuel more campaigns against placing masts close to
public places on health grounds.

Dr Coghill said last night there was strong circumstantial evidence that the
masts may have triggered depression in those from Bridgend who took their
lives.

They include Kelly Stephenson, 20, who hanged herself from a shower rail in
February this year while on holiday in Folkestone, Kent.

Dr Coghill said: "There is a body of research that has over the years
pointed to the fact that exposure to mobile radiation can lead to
depression. There is evidence of higher suicide rates where people live near
any electrical equipment that gives off radio or electrical waves."

There are now 70 million mobile phone handsets in the UK and around 50,000
masts. Both emit radio signals and electromagnetic fields that can penetrate
the brain, and for many years campaigners have argued that this could
seriously damage people's health.

The national average for proximity to a mobile phone transmitter varies
depending on the type of mast. The latest masts are far more powerful so
they can transmit more sophisticated data, such as photos and videos for
people to download on internet phones.

Masts are placed on average 800 metres away from each home across the
country. In Bridgend the victims lived on average only 356 metres away.

The national average distance from a new powerful mast is a kilometre while
in Bridgend it is 540 metres. Three transmitters were within 200 metres, 13
within 400 metres and as many as 22 within 500 metres of victims' homes.
Carwyn Jones, 28, who hanged himself last week, was the third young person
in his street to commit suicide.

Research shows young people's brains are more susceptible to radio wave
energy. Only two weeks ago a report identified mobiles as having an effect
on sleep patterns.

Dr Coghill added: "What seems to be happening is that the electrical energy
is having an effect on the chemistry of the brain, depleting serotonin
levels. We know that in depression serotonin levels are low and that a
standard treatment for depression is to give drugs to boost serotonin
levels. As they begin to work, the patient's depression lifts."

He said urgent research was needed because Britain was now covered with
thousands of masts, many close to homes, schools and offices.

Since January 5, 2007, there have been 22 deaths of young people in the
Bridgend area. Some believe the suicides are linked but so far experts have
failed to find a common cause.

Thomas Davies, 20, hanged himself in February 2007. Last night his brother
Nathan, 19, welcomed Dr Coghill's research. "As far as this family is
concerned nothing can bring Tom back," he said. "But if there is a link
found and something can be done then it could prevent further suicides."

But Mike Dolan, executive director of the Mobile Operators Association,
dismissed Dr Coghill's research. "This is an insensitive and outrageous
piece of speculation which has no basis in established science," he said.

The Government's Health Protection Agency insisted that fields from mobile
masts - even modern powerful masts - were well within international agreed
safety limits. "There is no evidence that masts do you harm. The levels of
radio waves are very low."


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Old June 24th 08, 05:52 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.nursing,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:07:45 +0100, "JOHN" wrote:

Dr Roger Coghill,


"Dr"? He claims an MA in Greek Classics and a bachelors in Biological
Sciences as well as an MA in "environmental management" but no sign of
a doctorate on his own CV and he isn't someone who usually hides from
publicity.

I don't suppose for one minute that the fact that dear old cogloose
sells a plethora of ineffective "anti-radiation" devices at inflated
prices ever has any influence on his "research"?

He endorses the "Phone Dome" "a tiny anti-radiation safety accessory
made up of micro crystals that neutralise and change the negative
effects of all mobile/cell phones reducing harmful radiation by over
99% without any adverse effects on the phone's functionality. Acting
as an energy cell the Phone Dome creates a positive energy cell
alteration within the radiation fields emitted from the mobile/cell
phones. The Phone Dome weighs less than a paperclip and simply sticks
onto the back of a phone...Testing with Kinesology and through the SE5
Plus (radionic equipment) have both given this product the thumbs up"

He has also apparently written that AIDS is caused by mobile phones,
or more precisely neonatal exposure to RF, rather than a virus. I'm
not sure if that accords with your current theory of the week on that
subject or not.

who sits on a Government advisory committee on mobile
radiation,


He does? Which one would that be?

Coghill Research Laboratories, along with about 40 other organisations
including the Council of Mortgage Lenders, Scotland Before Pylons and
Trentham Environmental Action Group, is a participant in "Sage"
(Stakeholder Advisory Group ELF EMF) a "conflict resolution" group run
by R K Partnership Ltd and concerned with power lines, not phones.
"This stakeholder group is not a formally constituted body nor are the
participants formally appointed by government."

Are there others he attends?

He does however run a DVD rental service, and sell the Gainex Magnetic
Fuel Economiser. He also owns http://www.galonja.co.uk/wpo.htm which
arguably has the worlds most inept web design company front page.

He also apparently lectured on the electromagnetic aspects of Feng
Shui where "Protective devices to mitigate exposure will be
introduced".

It is reported that he did tell the truth at least once "OK, so I
don’t know a lot of physics. Nor biochemistry, nor microbiology,
anatomy, physiology, radio engineering, physical chemistry,
epidemiology, statistics, ..."

Dr Coghill said last night there was strong circumstantial evidence that the
masts may have triggered depression in those from Bridgend who took their
lives.


Even by the usual dire standards of snake-oil peddlers this example of
making money from suicide is particularly distasteful.

I presume he would wish to sell the survivors a Fostac Chip " “We
offer the explanation that multi cellular organisms have their own
endogenous field and we speculate that the Fostac device is energized
by cell phone radiations to emit masking or compensating radiations
which benefit the endogenous field rather than perturbing it, by some
means which we do not understand.- Roger Coghill"

Or a dose of "Asphalia For Natural Protection" pills" [powdered
grass] "Two months supply of our radio-protective supplement to
counteract the adverse effects of EMF exposure from cellphones,
transmitters, WiFi, electric appliances and Powerlines"?

or perhaps his "Photon Duvet " with "infrared ray photoelectron
emission fibres." Or his "electrosmog detector" to allow the poor
souls to hear the "aggressive pulsing of signals from base stations"
as they put a noose around their necks?

Could he have helped them with a personal Harmoniser (a bit of bent
metal tube with water inside)?

"“The Mobile Phone Personal Harmoniser has a significantly protective
effect against exposure to electromagnetic fields and radiations from
mobile phones” Biologist Roger Coghill,"

"The results showed that the protected cells enjoyed much higher post
exposure viability compared with cells which do not have the benefit
of the Harmoniser. Furthermore it did not seem to matter that the
water in the Harmoniser had been imploded more than a year prior to
the study..." (from Coghill's report).

Masts are placed on average 800 metres away from each home across the
country. In Bridgend the victims lived on average only 356 metres away.


The national average figure quoted includes both urban and rural
areas so is meaningless. In parts of Chester masts are only on
average 300m away, so why is the suicide rate there lower than
average?

Might the fact that in Bridgend youth unemployment is much higher than
average, alcohol consumption is much higher and the weather is much
worse than average (damp and dismal) have more to do with the suicide
rate than mobile phone masts?

He said urgent research was needed because Britain was now covered with
thousands of masts, many close to homes, schools and offices.


WoooWoo - go buy a Coghill £40 Microshield to "Reduce radiation from
your mobile phone by up to 99%." or an EMF protector net that blocks
electro-magnetic radiation for only £11.75 a metre.
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Old June 24th 08, 07:04 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.nursing,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
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"Peter Parry" wrote in message
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usual drivel


http://whale.to/a/electromagnetic_a.html



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Old June 24th 08, 10:16 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.nursing,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:04:41 +0100, "JOHN" wrote:


http://whale.to/a/electromagnetic_a.html


From that page:-

"Every standing tower in the world, pretty much, can be seen by energy
sensitives and psychics to give off very dense, destructive dead
Orgone radiation"

"they found out that the little towers, by the tens of thousands, they
could literally aim any energy like a gun to a single home, a given
range area, and so forth."

"If this is true then there is covert agenda going on"

"all radio and TV towers were drafted into the HAARP network in recent
years, so they're death transmitters"

I bow to your far superior expertise and experience when it comes to
drivel.







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Old June 25th 08, 08:00 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.nursing,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
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"Peter Parry" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:04:41 +0100, "JOHN" wrote:


http://whale.to/a/electromagnetic_a.html


From that page:-

"Every standing tower in the world, pretty much, can be seen by energy
sensitives and psychics to give off very dense, destructive dead
Orgone radiation"

"they found out that the little towers, by the tens of thousands, they
could literally aim any energy like a gun to a single home, a given
range area, and so forth."

"If this is true then there is covert agenda going on"

"all radio and TV towers were drafted into the HAARP network in recent
years, so they're death transmitters"

I bow to your far superior expertise and experience when it comes to
drivel.

http://whale.to/b/appeal_to_incredulity.html


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Old June 25th 08, 12:05 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.nursing,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:00:21 +0100, "JOHN" wrote:

http://whale.to/b/appeal_to_incredulity.html


Incredulity is always a good idea when faced with incredible claims,
especially unsubstantiated incredible claims.

For example you have apparently kindly helped the remaining citizens
of Bridgend by traveling down there and scattering 15 Holy Hand
Grenades (Quartz, aluminium powder and glue); 70 Tower Busters ( a
paper cup filled with a half/half mix of resin and metal particles
into which is inserted a single quartz crystal) ; 6 Earth Pipes (These
apparently work by pulling the Deadly Orgone energy from the
underground and then releasing Putre Orgone, which is good for living
beings, above ground and below). Oh, and also two toilet rolls whose
function wasn't altogether clear..

It isn't wholly unreasonable for an outside observer to think that
rather than achieving anything you are merely barking mad. Your usual
answer to any comment tends to support this assumption as it often
appears to be the Internet equivalent of the biblical quotations used
by demented religionists :-

Q: "Why do you want to kill people?"
A:"Matthew14:44"

Q: "What qualifications does this snake oil peddler have?"
A: "www.dolphinoil.com/unbelievers/

This really doesn't help the presentation of your case or do anything
to convince people what you are saying has any foundation in fact.

On the available evidence it isn't unreasonable to conclude that the
combination of a known seller of snake oil and someone who believes
that a 555 timer and a few extra components worth a dollar or so will
make a device which cures every disease are several sandwiches short
of a picnic rather than unsung benefactors of mankind.


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Old June 25th 08, 12:36 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.nursing,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
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"Peter Parry" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:00:21 +0100, "JOHN" wrote:

http://whale.to/b/appeal_to_incredulity.html


Incredulity is always a good idea when faced with incredible claims,
especially unsubstantiated incredible claims.

For example you have apparently kindly helped the remaining citizens
of Bridgend by traveling down there and scattering 15 Holy Hand
Grenades (Quartz, aluminium powder and glue); 70 Tower Busters ( a
paper cup filled with a half/half mix of resin and metal particles
into which is inserted a single quartz crystal) ; 6 Earth Pipes (These
apparently work by pulling the Deadly Orgone energy from the
underground and then releasing Putre Orgone, which is good for living
beings, above ground and below). Oh, and also two toilet rolls whose
function wasn't altogether clear..

It isn't wholly unreasonable for an outside observer to think that
rather than achieving anything you are merely barking mad. Your usual
answer to any comment tends to support this assumption as it often
appears to be the Internet equivalent of the biblical quotations used
by demented religionists :-

Q: "Why do you want to kill people?"
A:"Matthew14:44"

Q: "What qualifications does this snake oil peddler have?"
A: "www.dolphinoil.com/unbelievers/

This really doesn't help the presentation of your case or do anything
to convince people what you are saying has any foundation in fact.

On the available evidence it isn't unreasonable to conclude that the
combination of a known seller of snake oil and someone who believes
that a 555 timer and a few extra components worth a dollar or so will
make a device which cures every disease are several sandwiches short
of a picnic rather than unsung benefactors of mankind.



ad hominem variant. Do try harder.


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Old June 25th 08, 04:45 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.nursing,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:36:21 +0100, "JOHN" wrote:

On the available evidence it isn't unreasonable to conclude that the
combination of a known seller of snake oil and someone who believes
that a 555 timer and a few extra components worth a dollar or so will
make a device which cures every disease are several sandwiches short
of a picnic rather than unsung benefactors of mankind.



ad hominem variant.


Hardly. I think I am right in saying it is a matter of record that you
have stated you believe a simple device made from a few pence worth of
components and commonly called a zapper is capable of curing most if
not all diseases.

Being quite objective that stated belief alone calls into question
your ability to understand either science or technology or the way in
which proof of efficacy can be presented and proven. It is arguable
that such a lack of basic understanding plus your expressed belief in
alien visitors, in mind control weapons in every radio and phone mast
and non-existent secret underground military facilities casts doubt
upon your connection with reality.

Similarly to describe non-Dr Coghill as a purveyor and supporter of
snake oil remedies is objectively correct. He sells or promotes the
quack devices I mentioned earlier. If he makes unsubstantiated and
patently inaccurate statements the only obvious benefit of which are
to his own pocket surely it is right to question them?
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Old June 25th 08, 08:18 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.nursing,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
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"Peter Parry" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:36:21 +0100, "JOHN" wrote:

On the available evidence it isn't unreasonable to conclude that the
combination of a known seller of snake oil and someone who believes
that a 555 timer and a few extra components worth a dollar or so will
make a device which cures every disease are several sandwiches short
of a picnic rather than unsung benefactors of mankind.



ad hominem variant.


Hardly. I think I am right in saying it is a matter of record that you
have stated you believe a simple device made from a few pence worth of
components and commonly called a zapper is capable of curing most if
not all diseases.

Being quite objective that stated belief alone calls into question
your ability to understand either science or technology or the way in
which proof of efficacy can be presented and proven. It is arguable
that such a lack of basic understanding plus your expressed belief in
alien visitors, in mind control weapons in every radio and phone mast
and non-existent secret underground military facilities casts doubt
upon your connection with reality.

Similarly to describe non-Dr Coghill as a purveyor and supporter of
snake oil remedies is objectively correct. He sells or promotes the
quack devices I mentioned earlier. If he makes unsubstantiated and
patently inaccurate statements the only obvious benefit of which are
to his own pocket surely it is right to question them?


Yes, I know, its called ad hominem. Look it up


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Old June 25th 08, 10:46 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.nursing,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:18:00 +0100, "JOHN" wrote:

Similarly to describe non-Dr Coghill as a purveyor and supporter of
snake oil remedies is objectively correct. He sells or promotes the
quack devices I mentioned earlier. If he makes unsubstantiated and
patently inaccurate statements the only obvious benefit of which are
to his own pocket surely it is right to question them?


Yes, I know, its called ad hominem. Look it up


The article you quoted claimed he was a Dr. He is not. He is neither
a Doctor of Medicine nor entitled to the academic form.

It claimed he "sits on a Government advisory committee on mobile
radiation". He doesn't.

It said he had "examined worldwide studies linking proximity of masts
to depression". Possibly he has, but there is little evidence he has
the qualifications, training or experience to fully understand them.
As he said himself - "OK, so I don’t know a lot of physics. Nor
biochemistry, nor microbiology, anatomy, physiology, radio
engineering, physical chemistry,epidemiology, statistics, ..."

It said "Dr Coghill said last night there was strong circumstantial
evidence that the masts may have triggered depression in those from
Bridgend who took their lives." Neither he nor anyone else has ever
produced credible evidence showing anything of the sort.

It claimed he said "There is evidence of higher suicide rates where
people live near any electrical equipment that gives off radio or
electrical waves." Where is the evidence?

It claimed "Coghill added: "What seems to be happening is that the
electrical energy is having an effect on the chemistry of the brain,
depleting serotonin levels. " There is no objective evidence of
anything of the sort and no evidence Coghill has the education or
facilities to make an informed judgment on the matter.

You appear to have accepted this report uncritically. When
considering how accurate your judgment is likely to be the fact you
believe in the presence of aliens amongst the general population and
mass mind control is relevant.

Challenging unsupported, ill informed assertions is not argumentum ad
hominem. Pointing out that the person who made the statements stands
to benefit financially from the publicity by increased their sales of
snake oil nostrums is not argumentum ad hominem but fact.

I note you have not addressed the substance of the article at all.

 




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