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0:- Newsgroups: alt.support.child-protective-services From: "0:-" Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:21:52 -0800 Local: Wed, Jan 17 2007 1:21 pm Subject: Meth Hype vs Reality Aaron Williams wrote: Their baaaaacccccccckkkkkkkkkk. Here's some truth about the 'meth hype'. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ http://www.youthtoday.org/youthtoday...ry2_10_05.html The Meth Epidemic: Hype vs. Reality The facts about how the drug affects child welfare and how agencies have coped. On Jan 17th this year I posted this commentary below in rebutal to claims that the "meth" problem was just "hype," the claims above. Having first hand knowledge and knowing many foster parents that have worked with meth effected children I took offense at the propagandist approach of some of my opponents. Sooner or later we would see that what I ended with in that post would be proven. It's very likely that hour is nearer now: Here's my comments then; " ... These figures take into account the hospital and medical costs for drug exposed babies, housing costs, and outside care costs. The long-term health damage to meth-exposed children has not yet been calculated." So now researchers are finding; http://www.katu.com/news/local/7036912.html www.katu.com Click Here to Print Research: Meth harms babies before birth Hands hold a bag of crystal methamphetamine and a pipe in this file photo. Story Published: Apr 15, 2007 at 3:59 PM PDT Story Updated: Apr 15, 2007 at 4:01 PM PDT By Associated Press PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - Oregon medical researchers say new studies on mice show that methamphetamine can harm babies before they're born. Oregon Health and Science University used mice to study prenatal exposure to the highly addictive drug - and how it negatively affects learning and memory. Now researchers are recruiting boys and girls ages seven to nine who were exposed to meth when their mothers were pregnant for a new study. The study will involve three paper-based tests and three computer-based tests - including a three-dimensional, computer-generated virtual reality program called Memory Island to assess spatial learning and memory. Researchers say the mouse studies have already shown that females are more vulnerable to impairment than males. (Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) Find this article at: http://www.katu.com/news/local/7036912.html Click Here to Print SAVE THIS | EMAIL THIS | Close Check the box to include the list of links referenced in the article. ©2007 KATU-TV. All Rights Reserved. Where will it lead? Well the propagandists peddling their anti Meth Problem BS can hold their breath while CPS workers, foster parents, and bio parents and their families that have dealt with this problem personally already KNOW the outcome. Children are impaired by meth exposure in utero. Kane I am a bit confused about this post. I mean is there anyone out there that does not believe that the use of Amphetamines is probably not a good idea when you are pregnant. (Cocaine, Heroin, Smoking, Heavy Drinking) are probably not great either. With Amphetamines user they are probably addicted - You are not going talk them out of it. Animal studies with mice are of interest but you must remember that if we had the same rate of metabolism as mice we would have a body temperature above boiling point. |
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On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:36:57 GMT, Rob wrote: 0:-] wrote: 0:- Newsgroups: alt.support.child-protective-services From: "0:-" Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:21:52 -0800 Local: Wed, Jan 17 2007 1:21 pm Subject: Meth Hype vs Reality Aaron Williams wrote: Their baaaaacccccccckkkkkkkkkk. Here's some truth about the 'meth hype'. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ http://www.youthtoday.org/youthtoday...ry2_10_05.html The Meth Epidemic: Hype vs. Reality The facts about how the drug affects child welfare and how agencies have coped. On Jan 17th this year I posted this commentary below in rebutal to claims that the "meth" problem was just "hype," the claims above. Having first hand knowledge and knowing many foster parents that have worked with meth effected children I took offense at the propagandist approach of some of my opponents. Sooner or later we would see that what I ended with in that post would be proven. It's very likely that hour is nearer now: Here's my comments then; " ... These figures take into account the hospital and medical costs for drug exposed babies, housing costs, and outside care costs. The long-term health damage to meth-exposed children has not yet been calculated." So now researchers are finding; http://www.katu.com/news/local/7036912.html www.katu.com Click Here to Print Research: Meth harms babies before birth Hands hold a bag of crystal methamphetamine and a pipe in this file photo. Story Published: Apr 15, 2007 at 3:59 PM PDT Story Updated: Apr 15, 2007 at 4:01 PM PDT By Associated Press PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - Oregon medical researchers say new studies on mice show that methamphetamine can harm babies before they're born. Oregon Health and Science University used mice to study prenatal exposure to the highly addictive drug - and how it negatively affects learning and memory. Now researchers are recruiting boys and girls ages seven to nine who were exposed to meth when their mothers were pregnant for a new study. The study will involve three paper-based tests and three computer-based tests - including a three-dimensional, computer-generated virtual reality program called Memory Island to assess spatial learning and memory. Researchers say the mouse studies have already shown that females are more vulnerable to impairment than males. (Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) Find this article at: http://www.katu.com/news/local/7036912.html Click Here to Print SAVE THIS | EMAIL THIS | Close Check the box to include the list of links referenced in the article. ©2007 KATU-TV. All Rights Reserved. Where will it lead? Well the propagandists peddling their anti Meth Problem BS can hold their breath while CPS workers, foster parents, and bio parents and their families that have dealt with this problem personally already KNOW the outcome. Children are impaired by meth exposure in utero. Kane I am a bit confused about this post. Okay. I might have not been clear enough, and there is a history here that you could not know if you are a new poster. I have been accused of hyping, or using hype of others, in the Meth epidemic issue. I mean is there anyone out there that does not believe that the use of Amphetamines is probably not a good idea when you are pregnant. (Cocaine, Heroin, Smoking, Heavy Drinking) are probably not great either. The argument has been made here that (paraphrasing)'it's no worse than the cocaine "epidemic" and that turned out to not be that bad.' The truth on the cocaine "epidemic" is that it is now being minimized, while in fact those that cared for the child victims of cocaine ingestion know otherwise. Children at the very least, months and months of pain and disorientation, and were not like normal children and still aren't. I suspect very poor testing procedures with 'agendas' running the studies. With Amphetamines user they are probably addicted - You are not going talk them out of it. The problem with Meth is that so much goes into it that is more than just the Amphetamines that the damages are highly unpredictable. "Dirty" can have some very strange things in it. My past arguments, of which this post on research is an extension of, weren't and still aren't about "going to talk them out of," meth use. My focus is on two things. Education to influence people not to start using, and more especially at this time in history, dealing responsibly as a society to the wreck it makes of children's lives. Many parents are "lost" due to this particular addiction. That is bad for children. It is costly, risky, and painful to come into their lives, as a society, and make other plans for them and carry them out. If anyone has a better idea I'd like to hear it. Animal studies with mice are of interest but you must remember that if we had the same rate of metabolism as mice we would have a body temperature above boiling point. Scientists, believe it or not, know that and make compensations for it. Usually through statistical analysis. In other words, they work to fit the "dose" to the body weight and metabolism. In fact, they selectively breed mice for characteristics that are specialized for the research they are doing. Animal studies with mice have become highly standardized to account for human to mouse differences. Personally I think pigs make better human surrogates, but then they are much more expensive to breed and house than mice, per experiment. I could probably feed and cage easily 2,000 mice for what it takes to pen and feed one pig. Age studies would be a disaster, for instance, costwise. Pigs live long lives and get very very big....like 300-800 lbs. Mice it is. 0:- (Though pigs are used for some medical experimentation...like heart and circulatory studies...you can hardly tell us apart by sight of organs only.) Kane I don't think we need to do animal studies. I thought that the problems of amphetamine use in pregnancy were accepted. Amphetamine abuse during pregnancy: environmental factors and outcome after 14-15 years. * Eriksson M, * Jonsson B, * Steneroth G, * Zetterstrom R. Department of Pediatrics, Karolinska Hospital, Stockholm, Sweden. The aim of this study was to assess the influence of social environmental factors on school performance and behavioural problems among 14-year-old children who had been exposed to amphetamine during foetal life. The study group comprised a cohort of 65 children who had suffered intrauterine exposure to amphetamine due to maternal drug abuse. This group has been followed since birth and examined at regular intervals. Information regarding the academic performance of the children was gathered from the school authorities. The psychosocial environment of the children was determined through interviews and through information obtained from the social authorities. Of the 64 children who attended a school within the state school system, 10 (15%) were a year behind for their age. The mean grades were significantly lower than those of their classmates. Behavioural problems were mentioned in the social authority documentation of one-third of the children, regardless of whether the child was placed in a foster home or was residing with the biological mother. A positive significant correlation was found between maternal age and the outcome of the children, as well as between therapy during pregnancy and outcome, whilst several environmental factors, particularly during the child's first four years, correlate negatively to outcome. Psychosocial factors early in life influence the outcome at 14 years. The positive effect of intervention during pregnancy illustrates the importance of early identification preferable during pregnancy. |
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Meth is very bad.
NACO got caught exaggerating the stats in an effort to pull for massive FUNDING. On Apr 21, 12:04 am, Rob wrote: 0:-] wrote: On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:52:09 GMT, Rob wrote: 0:-] wrote: On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:36:57 GMT, Rob wrote: 0:-] wrote: 0:- Newsgroups: alt.support.child-protective-services From: "0:-" Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:21:52 -0800 Local: Wed, Jan 17 2007 1:21 pm Subject: Meth Hype vs Reality Aaron Williams wrote: Their baaaaacccccccckkkkkkkkkk. Here's some truth about the 'meth hype'. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ http://www.youthtoday.org/youthtoday...ry2_10_05.html The Meth Epidemic: Hype vs. Reality The facts about how the drug affects child welfare and how agencies have coped. On Jan 17th this year I posted this commentary below in rebutal to claims that the "meth" problem was just "hype," the claims above. Having first hand knowledge and knowing many foster parents that have worked with meth effected children I took offense at the propagandist approach of some of my opponents. Sooner or later we would see that what I ended with in that post would be proven. It's very likely that hour is nearer now: Here's my comments then; " ... These figures take into account the hospital and medical costs for drug exposed babies, housing costs, and outside care costs. The long-term health damage to meth-exposed children has not yet been calculated." So now researchers are finding; http://www.katu.com/news/local/7036912.html www.katu.com Click Here to Print Research: Meth harms babies before birth Hands hold a bag of crystal methamphetamine and a pipe in this file photo. Story Published: Apr 15, 2007 at 3:59 PM PDT Story Updated: Apr 15, 2007 at 4:01 PM PDT By Associated Press PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - Oregon medical researchers say new studies on mice show that methamphetamine can harm babies before they're born. Oregon Health and Science University used mice to study prenatal exposure to the highly addictive drug - and how it negatively affects learning and memory. Now researchers are recruiting boys and girls ages seven to nine who were exposed to meth when their mothers were pregnant for a new study. The study will involve three paper-based tests and three computer-based tests - including a three-dimensional, computer-generated virtual reality program called Memory Island to assess spatial learning and memory. Researchers say the mouse studies have already shown that females are more vulnerable to impairment than males. (Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) Find this article at: http://www.katu.com/news/local/7036912.html Click Here to Print SAVE THIS | EMAIL THIS | Close Check the box to include the list of links referenced in the article. ©2007 KATU-TV. All Rights Reserved. Where will it lead? Well the propagandists peddling their anti Meth Problem BS can hold their breath while CPS workers, foster parents, and bio parents and their families that have dealt with this problem personally already KNOW the outcome. Children are impaired by meth exposure in utero. Kane I am a bit confused about this post. Okay. I might have not been clear enough, and there is a history here that you could not know if you are a new poster. I have been accused of hyping, or using hype of others, in the Meth epidemic issue. I mean is there anyone out there that does not believe that the use of Amphetamines is probably not a good idea when you are pregnant. (Cocaine, Heroin, Smoking, Heavy Drinking) are probably not great either. The argument has been made here that (paraphrasing)'it's no worse than the cocaine "epidemic" and that turned out to not be that bad.' The truth on the cocaine "epidemic" is that it is now being minimized, while in fact those that cared for the child victims of cocaine ingestion know otherwise. Children at the very least, months and months of pain and disorientation, and were not like normal children and still aren't. I suspect very poor testing procedures with 'agendas' running the studies. With Amphetamines user they are probably addicted - You are not going talk them out of it. The problem with Meth is that so much goes into it that is more than just the Amphetamines that the damages are highly unpredictable. "Dirty" can have some very strange things in it. My past arguments, of which this post on research is an extension of, weren't and still aren't about "going to talk them out of," meth use. My focus is on two things. Education to influence people not to start using, and more especially at this time in history, dealing responsibly as a society to the wreck it makes of children's lives. Many parents are "lost" due to this particular addiction. That is bad for children. It is costly, risky, and painful to come into their lives, as a society, and make other plans for them and carry them out. If anyone has a better idea I'd like to hear it. Animal studies with mice are of interest but you must remember that if we had the same rate of metabolism as mice we would have a body temperature above boiling point. Scientists, believe it or not, know that and make compensations for it. Usually through statistical analysis. In other words, they work to fit the "dose" to the body weight and metabolism. In fact, they selectively breed mice for characteristics that are specialized for the research they are doing. Animal studies with mice have become highly standardized to account for human to mouse differences. Personally I think pigs make better human surrogates, but then they are much more expensive to breed and house than mice, per experiment. I could probably feed and cage easily 2,000 mice for what it takes to pen and feed one pig. Age studies would be a disaster, for instance, costwise. Pigs live long lives and get very very big....like 300-800 lbs. Mice it is. 0:- (Though pigs are used for some medical experimentation...like heart and circulatory studies...you can hardly tell us apart by sight of organs only.) Kane I don't think we need to do animal studies. I respectfully disagree. Posters to ascps have argued that "it's going to turn out like the 'cocaine baby' hype, that resulted in not as much damage as claimed or predicted." I think the Cocaine baby damage is pretty significant.http://www.ncbi.nlm..nih.gov/entrez/...&cmd=Retrieve&... Morrow CE, Culbertson JL, Accornero VH, Xue L, Anthony JC, Bandstra ES. Department of Pediatrics, University of Miami School of Medicine, Miami, FL 33101, USA. Risk for developing a learning disability (LD) or impaired intellectual functioning by age 7 was assessed in full-term children with prenatal cocaine exposure drawn from a cohort of 476 children born full term and enrolled prospectively at birth. Intellectual functioning was assessed using the Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children-Third Edition (Wechsler, 1991) short form, and academic functioning was assessed using the Wechsler Individual Achievement Test (WIAT; Wechsler, 1993) Screener by examiners blind to exposure status. LDs were categorized based on ability-achievement discrepancy scores, using the regression-based predicted achievement method described in the WIAT manual. The sample in this report included 409 children (212 cocaine-exposed, 197 non-cocaine-exposed) from the birth cohort with available data. Cumulative incidence proportions and relative risk values were estimated using STATA software (Statacorp, 2003). No differences were found in the estimate of relative risk for impaired intellectual functioning (IQ below 70) between children with and without prenatal cocaine exposure (estimated relative risk = .95; 95% confidence interval [CI] = 0.65, 1.39; p = .79). The cocaine-exposed children had 2.8 times greater risk of developing a LD by age 7 than non-cocaine-exposed children (95% CI = 1.05, 7.67; p = .038; IQ /= 70 cutoff). Results remained stable with adjustment for multiple child and caregiver covariates, suggesting that children with prenatal cocaine exposure are at increased risk for developing a learning disability by age 7 when compared to their non-cocaine-exposed peers. PMID: 17083299 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] As if that is a valid argument. Hence, we need to see if they are right, and we can just relax about the "damage," or not. I thought that the problems of amphetamine use in pregnancy were accepted. Nope. It takes a body of research, including replication, to make a reasonable determination. Like the cocaine issue. A single study. How many have there been? As I said, a body of research, with replication, is needed. More bad decisions setting bad policy have been made from a single "study" than I'd care to count. Replications are in order. Amphetamine abuse during pregnancy: environmental factors and outcome after 14-15 years. * Eriksson M, * Jonsson B, * Steneroth G, * Zetterstrom R. Department of Pediatrics, |
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On May 16, 7:21 pm, Greegor wrote:
Methis very bad. NACO got caught exaggerating the stats in an effort to pull for massive FUNDING. Yeah, sure, Greg. http://www.thepeterboroughexaminer.c...ial&cla ssif= http://tinyurl.com/yo36xw (Not even a US source, bunky. So stop with the head in the sand lying, silly little child.) Printed from www.thepeterboroughexaminer.com web site Thursday, May 24, 2007 - © 2007 Peterborough Examiner Meth lab Mexican style LESLIE MILLIN Thursday, May 24, 2007 - 00:00 Editorial - Most who pass through this city see it as a dreary industrial satellite of Mexico City, an obstacle on their way to far more beautiful places, but its very dreariness as well as other attributes have made it a place where a new and alarming approach to the international drug trade is quietly fermenting. Mexican authorities are understandably upset that their country has become deeply involved with the seemingly insatiable appetite of Americans for cocaine, which originates in South America but passes through Mexico. But they are now having to face a new reality: that their national territory may not simply be a conduit but a point of origin, and for an addictive substance arguably more profitable and dangerous even than cocaine: crystal methamphetamine. An indicator of the potential scope of the enterprise is the US$205- million seized from a private house in the elegant Las Lomas area of Mexico City, the home of a naturalized Mexican of Chinese origin, Zhenli Ye Gon, who seems to have vanished rather than explain his need to have quite so much cash on hand. Mexico's Attorney General offers a coherent explanation: Ye Gon was preparing to build a 150,000-square-foot factory in Toluca to manufacture sufficient amphetamine to supply up to 80 per cent of the estimated American market. To do this he had imported eight state-of-the-art pill manufacturing machines and 60 tons of pseudoephedrine, a pharmaceutical often used as a precursor of methamphetamine. Like any good businessman, he had arranged for premises in San Pedro Totoltepec industrial park, where one more boxy warehouse/factory with big trucks coming and going would attract no attention. His machines were made by Fette GMBH, a highly respectable German enterprise, and each had the capacity to make up to 50,000 pills per hour, or about 360,000 pills per day assuming he complied with the labour code. At full production these machines could have produced almost 3-million pills a day, worth an estimated US$14-million on the wholesale black market. His raw material came from China by way of Long Beach, California and passed on through the Mexican Pacific ports of Manzanillo and Lazaro Cardenas, a purely industrial port with very strict security arrangements where the first 19 tons of pseudoephedrine were seized. Ye Gon's machines were imported through the Gulf port of Veracruz, apparently attracting no attention. One of the considerations of which the Mexican authorities are all too aware is that the profits of the drug trade are so great that its participants are quite prepared to murder to protect them, and to emphasize the deaths by very gruesome techniques: decapitation is now common. Death tolls have been as many as 21 in a single day. Many are gangsters killing each other for some marginal advantage, but many are police - either for not being corrupt, or for being insufficiently corrupt - and some are simply innocent by-standers. Particularly along the northern border, worried business leaders are pointing out that foreign direct investments are shrinking, because of concerns that cross-border shipments will not only be delayed by extra security, but that drivers may be in fear of their lives. A concern of the Mexican authorities is that of the eight machines imported by Ye Gon, only one is accounted for. The other seven could be anywhere, stashed in some other industrial park, waiting for a further shipment of pseudoephedrine through some busy port with overworked or overbribed officials. Whether Ye Gon is personally still active is unknown, but a man who can walk away from US$205-million and a luxury home is clearly a formidable force. Leslie Millin is an editor with the Issues Network. He lives for several months of the year in Mexico. ID- 541224 © 2007 , Osprey Media. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. |
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On May 22, 7:16 am, Greegor wrote:
Rob is that you? Your imaginary friend again, Greg? |
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Whether Ye Gon is personally still active is unknown, but a man who
can walk away from US$205-million and a luxury home is clearly a formidable force. Or dead. |
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Proof that people see Meth hysteria as a profit center?
Script writer proves what else? On May 27, 8:50 pm, "0:-]" wrote: http://www.oregonlive.com/oregonian/...base/entertain... Being hooked on crime provides a window on meth Sunday, May 27, 2007 JEFF BAKER TACOMA -- From the window of Mark Lindquist's office on the ninth floor of the County-City Building, it's possible to see a drug deal go down. "Tweeker Alley" is just around the corner, and meth users fill the downstairs courtrooms, on trial for the crimes that grow out of their addiction -- the break-ins and child abuse and identity theft. Meth and identity theft, he says, "go together like marijuana and the munchies." It's the kind of polished line someone who's worked as a script doctor in Hollywood and written four novels might deliver, not a deputy prosecuting attorney for Pierce County who's in charge of a drug unit specializing in meth cases. Funny thing, though. Lindquist did work as a screenwriter and he has written four novels, most recently "The King of Methlehem," an inside look at Tacoma's meth culture that's so lightly fictionalized that it uses real names wherever possible and includes precise descriptions of where Lindquist eats and sleeps and works. Advertisement In "The King of Methlehem," the office of Mike Lawson, who has the same title and initials as Lindquist, is described by the author/prosecutor as "dominated by his oversized desk, has a view of downtown Tacoma and a black-and-white signed poster of Kurt Cobain with an acoustic guitar. . . ." Take a Polaroid and rub it a little on the corner, and that's Lindquist's office. The leak in the acoustic tile of the ceiling, the one he says is "both metaphor and reality," is in another office, down the hall. On a sunny Friday afternoon, activity on the ninth floor is down a little from the usual high-caffeine buzz. Lindquist leans back in his chair and talks about the cases he's working. Besides all kinds of "meth stuff," he prosecutes murders and other major crimes and is preparing to take the accused Tacoma Mall shooter to trial in August; seven people were injured and four people were held hostage there. Questions about the 2005 case make Lindquist choose his words carefully; he doesn't want to say anything that's not in the indictment. Dominick Maldonado allegedly told police beforehand that he was armed and about to start shooting. When asked where, Maldonado's said to have replied, "Just follow the screams." Lindquist doesn't want to get the quote wrong and prints a copy of the indictment before heading downstairs. In the elevator and the lobby, he exchanges greetings with everyone in sight. Lindquist is 6-foot-6, wears white shirts with monogrammed cuffs and was chosen as one of People magazine's 100 most eligible bachelors in the country in 2000, but it's his obvious zest for his job that makes him stand out. "I got hooked when I was an intern," he says. "I loved everything about it. It's endlessly fascinating, and I get a real adrenaline charge from it." Lindquist, 48, grew up in Seattle and went to the University of Southern California. He stayed in Los Angeles and had a good time as a screenwriter and writing fiction. His first novel, "Sad Movies," was edited by Salem native Gary Fisketjon, and through that connection and a friendship with Bret Easton Ellis, Lindquist became a West Coast member of the literary Brat Pack of the 1980s, with all the drinking privileges that implies. His second novel, "Carnival Desires," also was edited by Fisketjon, but by 1992 the party was over. Lindquist, wanting to change his life, moved back to Seattle and went to law school at the University of Washington. He took a job with Pierce County as soon as he graduated and jumped into the gritty life of crime and punishment, first prosecuting drunken-driving and drug cases, then assaults and rapes and since 2004 as the trial team leader for the drug unit. All along, he kept writing. A third novel, "Never Mind Nirvana," with a jacket showing a lawyer chasing a dollar that spoofs Nirvana's "Nevermind" album cover, was published in 2000 to strong sales and reviews and was optioned by Hollywood. His boss, Pierce County prosecuting attorney Gerald Horne, is supportive, and Lindquist spends evenings and weekends writing what he knows. "There's a lot more parallels between the law and writing than you might think," Lindquist says. "Like what? Well, like a love of language and a desire to create order out of the world." Lindquist is sitting in Le-Le's, a Vietnamese restaurant that's a hangout for Tacoma's legal/political crowd. He describes it in "The King of Methlehem" as being like "Rick's, Humphrey Bogart's cafe in 'Casablanca.' Everybody comes to Le-Le's." Everybody's come and gone this afternoon as Lindquist sips a bubble tea and talks about meth. In 1997, his unit prosecuted 25 meth labs. By 2001, the number was 439. Pierce County's always been a dumping ground for parolees and others leaving state institutions, he says, and the combination of that population and the rural areas outside Tacoma made it fertile territory for a meth explosion. Manufacturers learned the relatively simple "Nazi method" of cooking meth off the Internet and from each other and had no problem setting up labs across the county. "That's changed," Lindquist says. "Home cooking has peaked and is on the decline." Increased awareness by police and the public -- blue tarps, propane tanks and the smell of cat urine equals a meth lab -- and more aggressive prosecution has cut the number of meth labs in the county. Meth use continues to increase, he says, and Mexican gangs smuggle in the drug. Lindquist laughs at those who try to minimize the meth problem. Go back to the courthouse, he says, and talk to the people in the system. His office sees them cycling through, year after year, and it's discouraging. "Remember that leak in the ceiling?" he asks. "Sometimes it feels like we have our finger in the dike." He's smiling when he says it, though, and he can't wait to go back and do something about it, and then write about it later. Lindquist discusses "The King of Methlehem" at 7:30 p.m. Thursday at Powell's Books on Hawthorne, 3723 S.E. Hawthorne Blvd. www.marklindquist.net Jeff Baker: 503-221-8165; |
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On May 28, 11:25 am, "0:-]" wrote:
On 28 May 2007 01:39:14 -0700, Greegor wrote: Proof that people see Meth hysteria as a profit center? Nope. And you failed to hid your claim with question mark. It's an obvious accusation. Script writer proves what else? He's likely on-line, Greg. Shall I give you his email address? Send him an email and ask him to explain to you how he makes a profit off prosecuting meth and meth related cases. I'm sure you can deal with him. When you call him a liar, right? In fact, if you are feeling off today, why don't I mail your email to him for you? I'll be thinking about that throughout the day. I'll let you know what I decide, if I remember to. His county, by the way, has an extremely high crime rate. Lots of transients, right on the major north south drug run highway, I5, from Mexico to Canada. Cities all along that route suffer from severe drug trafficking problems. Do some research...like you actually will....R R R R R On May 27, 8:50 pm, "0:-]" wrote: http://www.oregonlive.com/oregonian/...base/entertain... Being hooked on crime provides a window on meth Sunday, May 27, 2007 JEFF BAKER TACOMA -- From the window of Mark Lindquist's office on the ninth floor of the County-City Building, it's possible to see a drug deal go down. "Tweeker Alley" is just around the corner, and meth users fill the downstairs courtrooms, on trial for the crimes that grow out of their addiction -- the break-ins and child abuse and identity theft. Meth and identity theft, he says, "go together like marijuana and the munchies." It's the kind of polished line someone who's worked as a script doctor in Hollywood and written four novels might deliver, not a deputy prosecuting attorney for Pierce County who's in charge of a drug unit specializing in meth cases. Funny thing, though. Lindquist did work as a screenwriter and he has written four novels, most recently "The King of Methlehem," an inside look at Tacoma's meth culture that's so lightly fictionalized that it uses real names wherever possible and includes precise descriptions of where Lindquist eats and sleeps and works. Advertisement In "The King of Methlehem," the office of Mike Lawson, who has the same title and initials as Lindquist, is described by the author/prosecutor as "dominated by his oversized desk, has a view of downtown Tacoma and a black-and-white signed poster of Kurt Cobain with an acoustic guitar. . . ." Take a Polaroid and rub it a little on the corner, and that's Lindquist's office. The leak in the acoustic tile of the ceiling, the one he says is "both metaphor and reality," is in another office, down the hall. On a sunny Friday afternoon, activity on the ninth floor is down a little from the usual high-caffeine buzz. Lindquist leans back in his chair and talks about the cases he's working. Besides all kinds of "meth stuff," he prosecutes murders and other major crimes and is preparing to take the accused Tacoma Mall shooter to trial in August; seven people were injured and four people were held hostage there. Questions about the 2005 case make Lindquist choose his words carefully; he doesn't want to say anything that's not in the indictment. Dominick Maldonado allegedly told police beforehand that he was armed and about to start shooting. When asked where, Maldonado's said to have replied, "Just follow the screams." Lindquist doesn't want to get the quote wrong and prints a copy of the indictment before heading downstairs. In the elevator and the lobby, he exchanges greetings with everyone in sight. Lindquist is 6-foot-6, wears white shirts with monogrammed cuffs and was chosen as one of People magazine's 100 most eligible bachelors in the country in 2000, but it's his obvious zest for his job that makes him stand out. "I got hooked when I was an intern," he says. "I loved everything about it. It's endlessly fascinating, and I get a real adrenaline charge from it." Lindquist, 48, grew up in Seattle and went to the University of Southern California. He stayed in Los Angeles and had a good time as a screenwriter and writing fiction. His first novel, "Sad Movies," was edited by Salem native Gary Fisketjon, and through that connection and a friendship with Bret Easton Ellis, Lindquist became a West Coast member of the literary Brat Pack of the 1980s, with all the drinking privileges that implies. His second novel, "Carnival Desires," also was edited by Fisketjon, but by 1992 the party was over. Lindquist, wanting to change his life, moved back to Seattle and went to law school at the University of Washington. He took a job with Pierce County as soon as he graduated and jumped into the gritty life of crime and punishment, first prosecuting drunken-driving and drug cases, then assaults and rapes and since 2004 as the trial team leader for the drug unit. All along, he kept writing. A third novel, "Never Mind Nirvana," with a jacket showing a lawyer chasing a dollar that spoofs Nirvana's "Nevermind" album cover, was published in 2000 to strong sales and reviews and was optioned by Hollywood. His boss, Pierce County prosecuting attorney Gerald Horne, is supportive, and Lindquist spends evenings and weekends writing what he knows. "There's a lot more parallels between the law and writing than you might think," Lindquist says. "Like what? Well, like a love of language and a desire to create order out of the world." Lindquist is sitting in Le-Le's, a Vietnamese restaurant that's a hangout for Tacoma's legal/political crowd. He describes it in "The King of Methlehem" as being like "Rick's, Humphrey Bogart's cafe in 'Casablanca.' Everybody comes to Le-Le's." Everybody's come and gone this afternoon as Lindquist sips a bubble tea and talks about meth. In 1997, his unit prosecuted 25 meth labs. By 2001, the number was 439. Pierce County's always been a dumping ground for parolees and others leaving state institutions, he says, and the combination of that population and the rural areas outside Tacoma made it fertile territory for a meth explosion. Manufacturers learned the relatively simple "Nazi method" of cooking meth off the Internet and from each other and had no problem setting up labs across the county. "That's changed," Lindquist says. "Home cooking has peaked and is on the decline." Increased awareness by police and the public -- blue tarps, propane tanks and the smell of cat urine equals a meth lab -- and more aggressive prosecution has cut the number of meth labs in the county. Meth use continues to increase, he says, and Mexican gangs smuggle in the drug. Lindquist laughs at those who try to minimize the meth problem. Go back to the courthouse, he says, and talk to the people in the system. His office sees them cycling through, year after year, and it's discouraging. "Remember that leak in the ceiling?" he asks. "Sometimes it feels like we have our finger in the dike." He's smiling when he says it, though, and he can't wait to go back and do something about it, and then write about it later. Lindquist discusses "The King of Methlehem" at 7:30 p.m. Thursday at Powell's Books on Hawthorne, 3723 S.E. Hawthorne Blvd. www.marklindquist.net Jeff Baker: 503-221-8165; - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Meth bust at day care Cops want to crack down on people who make drugs near kids. BROOMFIELD - Police have made a meth arrest at a home used for day care. Jerry Aaron Robinson, 27, was arrested Wednesday at a Broomfield home where his mother cares for five children. Police found items in Robinson's room used to manufacture methamphetamine. Police cite the bust as an example of why the state must clamp down on people who manufacture dangerous drugs around kids. Robinson faces third-degree felony drug charges carrying a jail term of four to 16 years. If a bill being considered in the legislature had been law, Robinson also would face felony child-abuse charges, carrying another four-to- 16-year term. That bill, HB 1004, passed out of the House Appropriations Committee on Thursday. It now goes to the full House. Broomfield police Sgt. Dan Schuler said kids are at risk in an area where methamphetamine is made. "When they combine the various chemicals, it becomes a very toxic vapor, and it permeates into the carpet, the furniture, and it's just very dangerous," Schuler said. "And the problem is, they don't know what the long-range effects are going to be on these kids." The chemicals are also highly flammable. Robinson faces an additional charge of failing to register as a sex offender. He was convicted of a 1996 sexual assault. He was not under an order to remain away from children, however,Schuler said. Robinson's mother cared for five children in the home where the arrest occurred. They are all relatives, including grandchildren. The woman was not arrested. A 1-year-old child was sent to Children's Hospital for observation. The other children, aged 6 to 8, were given to their parents. Under a bill signed into law Monday by Gov. Bill Owens, county social services would be required to remove children from homes where drug crimes were taking place. The bill does not take effect until July 1. That bill is needed to let social workers know that children must be removed from such homes, said Rep. Cheri Jahn, D-Wheat Ridge. "It absolutely says you will get them out of there," Jahn said. www.stopmethaddiction.com is a very informative site. I hear that the some innovative drug dealers are mixing drugs w/ candy to appeal to the younger crowd...anybody seen any blueberry ice in their "hoods". spd |
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