Secretive CPS gave kids to dad despite 'history of violence': Dadstands accused of murdering them...

Secretive CPS gave kids to dad despite 'history of violence'

Laurie Roberts
Republic columnist
May. 26, 2007 12:00 AM
In January 2006, Jamie Hallam sent her children to stay with their
father for a few days. She never saw them again.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...berts0526.html


According to police and court records, Child Protective Services told
the father not to return the children. This, despite the fact that a
judge had denied him any access to his kids, citing a history of
domestic violence and drug use.

Now the children are dead and the father and his girlfriend are in jail
and CPS is left to explain why its workers overrode the judge's
decision, essentially putting the kids into the arms of the man who
stands accused of murdering them.
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Oh, never mind. I forgot. CPS doesn't have to explain. The law allows
the agency its secrets.

CPS officials have refused to release the records in the deaths of
4-year-old Ariana Payne and her 5-year-old brother, Tyler, citing fears
that it could jeopardize the criminal case.

I'm guessing that may not be the only thing they fear.

According to Tucson police, the children went to stay with their dad,
Christopher Payne, for a weekend in late January 2006. He would later
tell police that he was about to take them home but was advised by CPS
to keep them and instead file for custody.

"Mother repeatedly is high on drugs, not in a condition to take care of
the children . . . ," he wrote in his February 2006 request for custody.
"CPS is who instructed me to do this for the safety of the kids."

In March 2006, Hallam asked police for help in getting her children back
but a CPS supervisor told officers to leave them with Payne. According
to police, the supervisor said CPS was investigating the mother, who had
been "uncooperative."

"She felt it would be best that the children stay with their father
until a hearing could be set and final determination of custody could be
settled then," the police report says.

It's hard to understand how she could feel that way. Court records show
that a Pima County Superior Court judge awarded Hallam full custody of
Ariana and Tyler in June 2003, "with no parenting time for the
respondent/father based upon the history of domestic violence against
the petitioner/mother and in the presence of the minor children."

The judge also cited Payne's "history of alcohol and drug abuse."

The question is, did CPS know about the judge's order and disregard it?
Or did the agency leave the kids with the father without even bothering
to check his background?

The court never acted on Payne's request for custody. We have no way of
knowing whether caseworkers checked on the children during the time he
kept them with CPS' blessing.

Ariana's decomposing body was found in February, stuffed in a plastic
tub left in a storage locker. Half of her ribs, her spine and her right
shoulder had been broken and were in various stages of healing at the
time of her death. Police have never found Tyler's body. Investigators
believe the children were killed last summer.

Payne and his girlfriend, Reina Gonzales, have been charged with
first-degree murder. Witnesses have told police the pair were heroin
addicts and dealers. The two have pleaded not guilty.

Whether CPS knew that is anybody's guess.

The Arizona Republic has filed a lawsuit seeking the records in this and
another case involving another Tucson child who was beaten to death on
CPS' watch. Two legislators are so troubled by what happened that they
plan to launch hearings this summer. Hearings that must, by law, remain
confidential. You know how dead children need their privacy.

As for CPS, Ken Deibert, the agency head, wrote in a column this week
that they're just following the law. "It's the right thing to do," he
wrote. "It protects children and families from sensationalism, reducing
the likelihood of further trauma. And it punishes the offenders, leading
to justice for the children."

Does it?






CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
SECURITY AGENCY/CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WIRETAPPING PROGRAM....

CPS Does not protect children...
It is sickening how many children are subject to abuse, neglect and even
killed at the hands of Child Protective Services.

every parent should read this .pdf from
connecticut dcf watch...

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com/8x11.pdf

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com

Number of Cases per 100,000 children in the US
These numbers come from The National Center on
Child Abuse and Neglect in Washington. (NCCAN)
Recent numbers have increased significantly for CPS

*Perpetrators of Maltreatment*

Physical Abuse CPS 160, Parents 59
Sexual Abuse CPS 112, Parents 13
Neglect CPS 410, Parents 241
Medical Neglect CPS 14 Parents 12
Fatalities CPS 6.4, Parents 1.5

Imagine that, 6.4 children die at the hands of the very agencies that
are supposed to protect them and only 1.5 at the hands of parents per
100,000 children. CPS perpetrates more abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse
and kills more children then parents in the United States. If the
citizens of this country hold CPS to the same standards that they hold
parents too. No judge should ever put another child in the hands of ANY
government agency because CPS nationwide is guilty of more harm and
death than any human being combined. CPS nationwide is guilty of more
human rights violations and deaths of children then the homes from which
they were removed. When are the judges going to wake up and see that
they are sending children to their death and a life of abuse when
children are removed from safe homes based on the mere opinion of a
bunch of social workers.

BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEY
ARE "FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...

...
CPS is left to explain why its workers overrode the judge's
decision, essentially putting the kids into the arms of the man who
stands accused of murdering them.
....
CPS supervisor told officers to leave them

Caseworkers telling cops what to do??

the mother, who had been "uncooperative."

AHA! The ultimate crime in the minds of CASEWORKERS!

So much so that CPS overrode the Judges no contact order
regarding the drug addict father who killed the kids!

Ya think LEO's will become less willing to go along with
these "directives" from CPS?

Kane wrote
So, fx, what's your take on the mother knowing about the father's
history, and the judge awarding her full custody with NO father's
visitation rights, yet she still sent the children to stay with him
for a few days?

Interesting point, but was there a no contact order or
did the judge intend to leave the decision on contact
up to the responsible parent's judgement?

Regardless, how would this change the stupidity
of how the CPS supervisor DIRECTED the cops
to leave the kids with the Dad?

If the Child Protection INDUSTRY keeps telling
cops what to do like this, soon they'll have
Law Enforcement Agencies viewing CPS as
a bunch of irresponsible meaningless clowns.

Curious, isn't it?

It strongly suggests something is being left out of this story.

I see this rather often when an reporter has an agenda that overrides
objectivity. I've even had it happen to me.

Someone wanted to make the interview more "sensational," so they
flatly misquoted me, much like krp, you and others have done
here...0:].

You can't be slandered if you're anonymous DONALD!
It's not PERJURY used to break up your family either.

Whining about being misquoted by the press hardly compares.

But that's the media for yah. Gives us lots to discuss, with very
little trust in facts.

Seems like such a waste of valuable time for us, you and I, to keep
posting the failings of people and organizations then, no?

Like Rantz the caseworker child molester or like the caseworker
who participated in burglary and armed robbery using two former client
teens?

It's not like big headlines are as wrong as Dewey defeats Truman
often!

I only post because you and those like you with your own agenda keep
posting.

Notice yet?

So, why did the mom send the children to this court denied father, and
she knowing that he was violent and a druggie, eh?

That IS a good point, but if she was guilty of that how could the
agency nitwits be innocent of that?

I particularly like the part where the CPS supervisor
justified the ORDERSS to the cop based on
complaints that the Mom was not cooperative!

Can't answer, can you, fx?

Did you think your hyperactivity is an advantage, Kane?



Laurie Roberts
Republic columnist
May. 26, 2007 12:00 AM
In January 2006, Jamie Hallam sent her children to stay with their
father for a few days. She never saw them again.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu.../0526roberts05...

According to police and court records, Child Protective Services told
the father not to return the children. This, despite the fact that a
judge had denied him any access to his kids, citing a history of
domestic violence and drug use.

Now the children are dead and the father and his girlfriend are in jail
and CPS is left to explain why its workers overrode the judge's
decision, essentially putting the kids into the arms of the man who
stands accused of murdering them.
advertisement

Oh, never mind. I forgot. CPS doesn't have to explain. The law allows
the agency its secrets.

CPS officials have refused to release the records in the deaths of
4-year-old Ariana Payne and her 5-year-old brother, Tyler, citing fears
that it could jeopardize the criminal case.

I'm guessing that may not be the only thing they fear.

According to Tucson police, the children went to stay with their dad,
Christopher Payne, for a weekend in late January 2006. He would later
tell police that he was about to take them home but was advised by CPS
to keep them and instead file for custody.

"Mother repeatedly is high on drugs, not in a condition to take care of
the children . . . ," he wrote in his February 2006 request for custody.
"CPS is who instructed me to do this for the safety of the kids."

In March 2006, Hallam asked police for help in getting her children back
but a CPS supervisor told officers to leave them with Payne. According
to police, the supervisor said CPS was investigating the mother, who had
been "uncooperative."

"She felt it would be best that the children stay with their father
until a hearing could be set and final determination of custody could be
settled then," the police report says.

It's hard to understand how she could feel that way. Court records show
that a Pima County Superior Court judge awarded Hallam full custody of
Ariana and Tyler in June 2003, "with no parenting time for the
respondent/father based upon the history of domestic violence against
the petitioner/mother and in the presence of the minor children."

The judge also cited Payne's "history of alcohol and drug abuse."

The question is, did CPS know about the judge's order and disregard it?
Or did the agency leave the kids with the father without even bothering
to check his background?

The court never acted on Payne's request for custody. We have no way of
knowing whether caseworkers checked on the children during the time he
kept them with CPS' blessing.

Ariana's decomposing body was found in February, stuffed in a plastic
tub left in a storage locker. Half of her ribs, her spine and her right
shoulder had been broken and were in various stages of healing at the
time of her death. Police have never found Tyler's body. Investigators
believe the children were killed last summer.

Payne and his girlfriend, Reina Gonzales, have been charged with
first-degree murder. Witnesses have told police the pair were heroin
addicts and dealers. The two have pleaded not guilty.

Whether CPS knew that is anybody's guess.

The Arizona Republic has filed a lawsuit seeking the records in this and
another case involving another Tucson child who was beaten to death on
CPS' watch. Two legislators are so troubled by what happened that they
plan to launch hearings this summer. Hearings that must, by law, remain
confidential. You know how dead children need their privacy.

As for CPS, Ken Deibert, the agency head, wrote in a column this week
that they're just following the law. "It's the right thing to do," he
wrote. "It protects children and families from sensationalism, reducing
the likelihood of further trauma. And it punishes the offenders, leading
to justice for the children."

Does it?

CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
SECURITY AGENCY/CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WIRETAPPING PROGRAM....

CPS Does not protect children...
It is sickening how many children are subject to abuse, neglect and even
killed at the hands of Child Protective Services.

every parent should read this .pdf from
connecticut dcf watch...

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com/8x11.pdf

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com

Number of Cases per 100,000 children in the US
These numbers come from The National Center on
Child Abuse and Neglect in Washington. (NCCAN)
Recent numbers have increased significantly for CPS

*Perpetrators of Maltreatment*

Physical Abuse CPS 160, Parents 59
Sexual Abuse CPS 112, Parents 13
Neglect CPS 410, Parents 241
Medical Neglect CPS 14 Parents 12
Fatalities CPS 6.4, Parents 1.5

Imagine that, 6.4 children die at the hands of the very agencies that
are supposed to protect them and only 1.5 at the hands of parents per
100,000 children. CPS perpetrates more abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse
and kills more children then parents in the United States. If the
citizens of this country hold CPS to the same standards that they hold
parents too. No judge should ever put another child in the hands of ANY
government agency because CPS nationwide is guilty of more harm and
death than any human being combined. CPS nationwide is guilty of more
human rights violations and deaths of children then the homes from which
they were removed. When are the judges going to wake up and see that
they are sending children to their death and a life of abuse when
children are removed from safe homes based on the mere opinion of a
bunch of social workers.

BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEY
ARE "FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION

"0:-]" wrote in message
...
On 26 May 2007 18:22:47 -0700, Greegor wrote:

Kane wrote
So, fx, what's your take on the mother knowing about the father's
history, and the judge awarding her full custody with NO father's
visitation rights, yet she still sent the children to stay with him
for a few days?

Interesting point, but was there a no contact order or
did the judge intend to leave the decision on contact
up to the responsible parent's judgement?

RR R R R R.....look dummy, the grounds for he judges decision for
custody were stated as having been made based on a domestic violence
history by him with her the victim, in front of the children, and on
his being a druggie (I thought you hated junkies).

Regardless of any "no contact order," or it's lack, do YOU think her
judgement was sound but CPS was NOT?

Regardless, how would this change the stupidity
of how the CPS supervisor DIRECTED the cops
to leave the kids with the Dad?

Because they were not told of the history of the father, and it would
have been a violation of his constitutional rights for them to take
the children away from him barring any abuse of them by him.

Was there any?

Did the mother tell CPS PRIOR to the dustup that he was a violent drug
user?

On what grounds would they have investigated him in the time frame
that would make them culpable for NOT doing so?

The father ran a number on CPS, stupid, BEFORE THE MOTHER WENT TO THE
COPS.

Pay attention.

The father KNEW the mom was looking for the kids. He and his
girlfriend, allegedly, had murdered them already. He had to do a
number on CPS.

If the Child Protection INDUSTRY keeps telling
cops what to do like this, soon they'll have
Law Enforcement Agencies viewing CPS as
a bunch of irresponsible meaningless clowns.

What reason did CPS have for NOT leaving the children with the
father...not from what we know NOW, but what was known by CPS THEN,
stupid?

A divorced father has his children, who the mother dropped off with
him.

CPS only hears of this AFTER the father contacts them. NOT THE MOTHER.
She did NOT contact CPS, she contacted the cops, who then contacted
CPS, who had, in the interim been contacted by the father.

Work it out, and try to stay awake as your work.

Curious, isn't it?

It strongly suggests something is being left out of this story.

I see this rather often when an reporter has an agenda that overrides
objectivity. I've even had it happen to me.

Someone wanted to make the interview more "sensational," so they
flatly misquoted me, much like krp, you and others have done
here...0:].

You can't be slandered if you're anonymous DONALD!
It's not PERJURY used to break up your family either.

So if I'm Donald then you are slandering me. Simple isn't it?

I'd not be anonymous to you.

Now YOU have to worry about how that might stand up in court, were it
true.

Whining about being misquoted by the press hardly compares.

It wasn't offered as comparison of content, but of process. Try to
keep up here.

But that's the media for yah. Gives us lots to discuss, with very
little trust in facts.

Seems like such a waste of valuable time for us, you and I, to keep
posting the failings of people and organizations then, no?

Like Rantz the caseworker child molester or like the caseworker
who participated in burglary and armed robbery using two former client
teens?

Yep. All are singular incidences that do not contribute in any manner
to the needs of families that used to come here for help that you
drove away, Greg.

It's not like big headlines are as wrong as Dewey defeats Truman
often!

Didn't you just say they don't compare?

I made no claim of right or wrong, Greg, only that it's really a waste
of over half the purpose of this ng, to help families coming her for
advice and support.

You have jumped on them like the little jackal you are, a loser
yourself, in service to Lisa, who has had the absence of her daughter
for over six years, because of you and your choices.

I only post because you and those like you with your own agenda keep
posting.

Notice yet?

So, why did the mom send the children to this court denied father, and
she knowing that he was violent and a druggie, eh?

That IS a good point, but if she was guilty of that how could the
agency nitwits be innocent of that?

She knew, they did not.

How would they know until after the fact, Greg?

The children were not reported as missing. Not even the cops knew they
were dead as the actions of mother and father began, as we read of
them in the article.

CPS had no reason to suspect the father of anything at all.

One does NOT do a background check when confronted with a father that
has the physical custody of his children. Does one?

For what reason?

By the time all the accusations were in, the kids were already dead. A
bit late for a background check, and NO reason to do one before.

To CPS he was just a father with the kids his wife dropped off. The
cops pop up and ask what's up, and what can they say....take the kids
and run?
"
"Mother repeatedly is high on drugs, not in a condition to take care of
the children . . . ," he wrote in his February 2006 request for
custody.
"CPS is who instructed me to do this for the safety of the kids."
"

Note that HE, likely long after the children were dead, was requesting
placement with him. Custody?

Remember when I used to mock Doug on this issue, because I KNOW that
parents can hide the deaths, let alone the abuse of children much more
than a foster parent can?

This guy just got unlucky. What if custody HAD been awarded to him,
Greg? We might never know those children were murdered. Might never
found them.


On what grounds, would CPS investigate this man, Greg?

Are you now suggesting that CPS violate his 4th amendment rights?

Why not stop dodging and answer this question?

I particularly like the part where the CPS supervisor
justified the ORDERSS to the cop based on
complaints that the Mom was not cooperative!

Again with taking things out of context. Do you recall what else was
said to CPS about the mother and what they were investigating for?

The orders were justified by the investigation...for alleged drug use
and inability to parent the children. The 'joke' for you to
contemplate as you do so well, is that the children were likely
already dead at his hand. Do you like THAT part?

I do not. I find it sick, and I find you sick for your attempts to use
such a case to focus on alleged CPS failings when in fact this is a
case of a murder CPS had NOTHING to do with at any time.

The mother made the choice to drop them off...not CPS. CPS ONLY came
into the picture when the father contacted the court for custody and
subsequently CPS got the case to investigate.

This crap happens routinely at CPS. They are USED by parents in
divorce and custody proceedings, and there was NO reason to suspect he
had at that point killed his children already. Or was going to either.

Can't answer, can you, fx?

Did you think your hyperactivity is an advantage, Kane?

Nothing to do with my question.

Do you think your torpidity is an advantage, Greg?

0:]

Logic is just not gregg's strong point. Hyperbole maybe, or dishonesty, or
maybe even blind stupidity, but certainly not logic.

Ron





Laurie Roberts
Republic columnist
May. 26, 2007 12:00 AM
In January 2006, Jamie Hallam sent her children to stay with their
father for a few days. She never saw them again.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu.../0526roberts05...

According to police and court records, Child Protective Services told
the father not to return the children. This, despite the fact that a
judge had denied him any access to his kids, citing a history of
domestic violence and drug use.

Now the children are dead and the father and his girlfriend are in jail
and CPS is left to explain why its workers overrode the judge's
decision, essentially putting the kids into the arms of the man who
stands accused of murdering them.
advertisement

Oh, never mind. I forgot. CPS doesn't have to explain. The law allows
the agency its secrets.

CPS officials have refused to release the records in the deaths of
4-year-old Ariana Payne and her 5-year-old brother, Tyler, citing fears
that it could jeopardize the criminal case.

I'm guessing that may not be the only thing they fear.

According to Tucson police, the children went to stay with their dad,
Christopher Payne, for a weekend in late January 2006. He would later
tell police that he was about to take them home but was advised by CPS
to keep them and instead file for custody.

"Mother repeatedly is high on drugs, not in a condition to take care of
the children . . . ," he wrote in his February 2006 request for
custody.
"CPS is who instructed me to do this for the safety of the kids."

In March 2006, Hallam asked police for help in getting her children
back
but a CPS supervisor told officers to leave them with Payne. According
to police, the supervisor said CPS was investigating the mother, who
had
been "uncooperative."

"She felt it would be best that the children stay with their father
until a hearing could be set and final determination of custody could
be
settled then," the police report says.

It's hard to understand how she could feel that way. Court records show
that a Pima County Superior Court judge awarded Hallam full custody of
Ariana and Tyler in June 2003, "with no parenting time for the
respondent/father based upon the history of domestic violence against
the petitioner/mother and in the presence of the minor children."

The judge also cited Payne's "history of alcohol and drug abuse."

The question is, did CPS know about the judge's order and disregard it?
Or did the agency leave the kids with the father without even bothering
to check his background?

The court never acted on Payne's request for custody. We have no way of
knowing whether caseworkers checked on the children during the time he
kept them with CPS' blessing.

Ariana's decomposing body was found in February, stuffed in a plastic
tub left in a storage locker. Half of her ribs, her spine and her right
shoulder had been broken and were in various stages of healing at the
time of her death. Police have never found Tyler's body. Investigators
believe the children were killed last summer.

Payne and his girlfriend, Reina Gonzales, have been charged with
first-degree murder. Witnesses have told police the pair were heroin
addicts and dealers. The two have pleaded not guilty.

Whether CPS knew that is anybody's guess.

The Arizona Republic has filed a lawsuit seeking the records in this
and
another case involving another Tucson child who was beaten to death on
CPS' watch. Two legislators are so troubled by what happened that they
plan to launch hearings this summer. Hearings that must, by law, remain
confidential. You know how dead children need their privacy.

As for CPS, Ken Deibert, the agency head, wrote in a column this week
that they're just following the law. "It's the right thing to do," he
wrote. "It protects children and families from sensationalism, reducing
the likelihood of further trauma. And it punishes the offenders,
leading
to justice for the children."

Does it?

CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
SECURITY AGENCY/CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WIRETAPPING PROGRAM....

CPS Does not protect children...
It is sickening how many children are subject to abuse, neglect and
even
killed at the hands of Child Protective Services.

every parent should read this .pdf from
connecticut dcf watch...

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com/8x11.pdf

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com

Number of Cases per 100,000 children in the US
These numbers come from The National Center on
Child Abuse and Neglect in Washington. (NCCAN)
Recent numbers have increased significantly for CPS

*Perpetrators of Maltreatment*

Physical Abuse CPS 160, Parents 59
Sexual Abuse CPS 112, Parents 13
Neglect CPS 410, Parents 241
Medical Neglect CPS 14 Parents 12
Fatalities CPS 6.4, Parents 1.5

Imagine that, 6.4 children die at the hands of the very agencies that
are supposed to protect them and only 1.5 at the hands of parents per
100,000 children. CPS perpetrates more abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse
and kills more children then parents in the United States. If the
citizens of this country hold CPS to the same standards that they hold
parents too. No judge should ever put another child in the hands of ANY
government agency because CPS nationwide is guilty of more harm and
death than any human being combined. CPS nationwide is guilty of more
human rights violations and deaths of children then the homes from
which
they were removed. When are the judges going to wake up and see that
they are sending children to their death and a life of abuse when
children are removed from safe homes based on the mere opinion of a
bunch of social workers.

BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR
CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEY
ARE "FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION