Has Sally Lieber ever raised any kids?

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...alifornia.html

Spanking Still Legal in California
Assemblywoman Who Had Requested Statewide Ban Backs Down
By Eric Fleming
Sally Lieber, the Democratic Assemblywoman from Mountain View,
California, on Thursday dropper her proposal to ban spanking of
children under the age of 4. Instead, the politician, who had
previously been best known as the author of California's minimum wage
increase, is preparing to submit a revised version of her child
punishment bill.
Lieber, who has no children, attracted attention nationwide last month
with her proposal to protect children from being spanked. The idea was
ridiculed on television shows, including "Saturday Night Live," and
"The Colbert Report."

The original bill, which was never submitted to the California
legislature, would have banned any type of corporal punishment,
including striking a child "with an open palm on the buttocks," of any
child younger than 4. The assemblywoman admitted that she knew the
bill as originally planned would not have had the votes. It was
opposed, she said, by members of both parties, and that many of her
colleagues had told her in person that they could not support a ban on
spanking.

The new bill, which was introduced on Thursday, will help district
attorneys more easily prosecute parents who cross the line between
discipline and abuse. The new bill, if successful, would attempt to
clarify the current California law that makes it a crime to inflict
"unjustifiable" physical pain. Among the abuses which would become
explicitly illegal a hitting a child with a stick or paddle or
slapping a 2-year-old in the face.

In addition, the revised legislation also attempts to curb abuse for
minors. According to the San Francisco Chronicle, the bill seeks to
"ban anyone from hitting a child with an implement such as a stick,
rod, switch, electrical cord, extension cord, belt, broom or shoe.
Throwing, kicking, burning or cutting a minor also would not be
allowed. Striking a child with a closed fist would also be illegal, as
would choking."

Even among child safety and protection experts, there have been mixed
responses to the new bill. Nadine A. Block, from the Center for
Effective Discipline in Columbus, Ohio, congratulated Assemblywoman
Lieber for "hanging in there" in the face of heavy criticism. Ms.
Block called the legislation "very reasonable as a first go."

But Richard Wexler, the executive director of the National Coalition
for Child Protection Reform, disagrees. "All of the things that she
seeks to ban are already prohibited if they cause serious harm to a
child. If you slap a 3-year-old on the face and you cause serious
injury, there are already statutes that cover this," he said. And
Carol Miller, a clinical professor of pediatrics at UCSF, said the
bill sounds redundant. "Currently, if we see that a child has been
abused in any way, we are mandated to report that to the police," she
said. "I'm not seeing how this helps that mandate."

Even so, some who originally opposed the spanking "ban," are now
giving more positive responses. "I applaud Ms. Lieber's effort to
narrow the scope and make this bill more of a law-enforcement type of
bill," said Chuck DeVore, a Republican from Irvine.

Sources:

www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,1070395.story
www.nytimes.com/2007/02/23/us/23spank.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...022300326.html

On Feb 26, 10:02 pm, "Greegor" wrote:

Lieber, who has no children,

Don't you read what you post, dingleberry?

One of the things you can pretty much count on is that every legislator
like Sally was child, and knew children, and observed families, and
learned how to parent.

Many kids get to see real parents doing real child rearing, rather than
self indulgent sick abuse of children disguised as 'parenting.'

You are an example of a poorly raised child, Greg. You have little in
the way of ethics, and nothing in the way of conscience.

You'll lie for your sick agenda.

You have lied repeatedly about other posters here, and you have attacked
parents that are either just starting to fight CPS or have fought and won.

New posters are immediately attacked by you even when they are parents
seeking help.

You are one sick little puppy, so YOUR opinion of Ms Lieber is of no
value other than to point out she is more likely right than a thug such
as you.

Thank goodness you can't "shower" Lisa's daughter any more.

0:-]

Greegor wrote:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...alifornia.html

Spanking Still Legal in California
Assemblywoman Who Had Requested Statewide Ban Backs Down
By Eric Fleming
Sally Lieber, the Democratic Assemblywoman from Mountain View,
California, on Thursday dropper her proposal to ban spanking of
children under the age of 4. Instead, the politician, who had
previously been best known as the author of California's minimum wage
increase, is preparing to submit a revised version of her child
punishment bill.
Lieber, who has no children, attracted attention nationwide last month
with her proposal to protect children from being spanked. The idea was
ridiculed on television shows, including "Saturday Night Live," and
"The Colbert Report."

The original bill, which was never submitted to the California
legislature, would have banned any type of corporal punishment,
including striking a child "with an open palm on the buttocks," of any
child younger than 4. The assemblywoman admitted that she knew the
bill as originally planned would not have had the votes. It was
opposed, she said, by members of both parties, and that many of her
colleagues had told her in person that they could not support a ban on
spanking.

The new bill, which was introduced on Thursday, will help district
attorneys more easily prosecute parents who cross the line between
discipline and abuse. The new bill, if successful, would attempt to
clarify the current California law that makes it a crime to inflict
"unjustifiable" physical pain. Among the abuses which would become
explicitly illegal a hitting a child with a stick or paddle or
slapping a 2-year-old in the face.

In addition, the revised legislation also attempts to curb abuse for
minors. According to the San Francisco Chronicle, the bill seeks to
"ban anyone from hitting a child with an implement such as a stick,
rod, switch, electrical cord, extension cord, belt, broom or shoe.
Throwing, kicking, burning or cutting a minor also would not be
allowed. Striking a child with a closed fist would also be illegal, as
would choking."

Even among child safety and protection experts, there have been mixed
responses to the new bill. Nadine A. Block, from the Center for
Effective Discipline in Columbus, Ohio, congratulated Assemblywoman
Lieber for "hanging in there" in the face of heavy criticism. Ms.
Block called the legislation "very reasonable as a first go."

But Richard Wexler, the executive director of the National Coalition
for Child Protection Reform, disagrees. "All of the things that she
seeks to ban are already prohibited if they cause serious harm to a
child. If you slap a 3-year-old on the face and you cause serious
injury, there are already statutes that cover this," he said. And
Carol Miller, a clinical professor of pediatrics at UCSF, said the
bill sounds redundant. "Currently, if we see that a child has been
abused in any way, we are mandated to report that to the police," she
said. "I'm not seeing how this helps that mandate."

Even so, some who originally opposed the spanking "ban," are now
giving more positive responses. "I applaud Ms. Lieber's effort to
narrow the scope and make this bill more of a law-enforcement type of
bill," said Chuck DeVore, a Republican from Irvine.

Sources:

www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,1070395.story
www.nytimes.com/2007/02/23/us/23spank.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...022300326.html

Dan Sullivan wrote:
On Feb 26, 10:02 pm, "Greegor" wrote:

Lieber, who has no children,

Don't you read what you post, dingleberry?

Superfluous question. You already KNOW the answer to that. So do the
rest of us.

Kane