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The Truth, and the Lies about Sweden



 
 
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Old February 27th 06, 04:56 AM posted to alt.parenting.spanking
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Default The Truth, and the Lies about Sweden

The reaction of the pro spanking compulsives, while predictable is
reaching the proportions of the creature in the movie Alien.

Such trashing about and screeching is a laughable spectacle.

In the midst of it of course is both outright lying, and careful
citation of cherrypicked words or data taken out of context.

Reality is ignored. Appeals to authority, whose work has repeatedly
been shown to be suspect and loaded with pro spanker bias, is the order
of the day.

One of the most frequent claims?

The rising crime rate in Sweden. And trying to link it to not spanking
children to discipline them.

So much for the lies. Let's take a look at the proof.

http://www.stophitting.com/disathome...2005v1Iss9.pdf
"... It is a well-known fact that when
mandatory reporting laws, public education
campaigns, and other measures
are implemented to increase awareness,
reporting will increase. This is
the goal of such measures. The
Swedish reporting figures have been
cited as if they are actual rates of
abuse, which they are not.
Recently the Swedish National
Crime Prevention Council examined
434 cases of assaults on young children
within the family that were
reported to the police in 1990 (all
cases) and 1997 (every other case).
It was found that the proportion of
cases involving serious injuries sustained
by children in this age range
had decreased substantially. The
majority of reported assaults result in
minor injuries or no injuries at all. On
the basis of an extensive analysis of
the data, the National Crime
Prevention Council concluded that
There has been an increase in the
propensity to report cases of assault
on young children, and that it is this
increase that is responsible for most,
if not all, of the rise in the number of
such offenses reported to the police@
(Nilsson, 2000, p. 68). ..."

Which of course addresses the "child abuse went up" lie.

But what of actual crime other than parental spanking? That monumental
lie?

Read it and weep stupid liars:

"Sixty-six percent of adults
believe that the percentage of
teens who commit violent crimes
has increased over the past ten
years and another 25 percent
believe that it has remained the
same, while only five percent
believe that it has decreased."

"In fact, government statistics
show that the violence crime rate
among teens has reached its lowest
recorded level in more than 25
years; between l990 and 2000, the
juvenile crime declined by 56 percent."
(Child Trends Research
Brief, July 2003) "

So where DO they get their figures for rising crime? Out of the general
population, which deserves to be examined more closely. Why would crime
be going up there (and in many European countries)?

Our own State department on travel to Sweden by Americans:
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p.../cis_1032.html
" ... CRIME: Sweden has a relatively low crime rate with rare, but
increasing, instances of violent crime. Most crimes involve the theft
of personal property from cars or residences or in public areas.
Pickpockets and purse-snatchers often work in pairs or groups with one
distracting the victim while another grabs valuables. Often they
operate in or near major tourist attractions like Stockholm's Old
Town, restaurants, amusement parks, museums, bars, buses, and subway
trains. Hotel breakfast rooms and lobbies attract professional,
well-dressed thieves who blend in with guests and target purses and
briefcases left unguarded by unsuspecting tourists and business
travelers. Valuables should not be left unguarded in parked vehicles.
...."

Where's the violent crime?

Apparently there is some violent crime. Rape is claimed to have gone
way up. Why?
Failure to spank, or something else? 0:-

Could it be....................terrorism connected to those that have
NOT been in the country that long and COME FROM ETHIC GROUPS THAT USE
CP FREELY ON THEIR CHILDREN?

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatc...ves/003269.php
All over Europe this is a problem and parenting methods are the real
culprit, not Swedens spanking ban. They can hardly have applied it
before people come to their country, and they have NO support in those
communities for reporting the use of CP.

It isn't a spanking ban=crime problem. It's an immigration problem.

But would the Spanking compulsives in their arguments bother to look
for other possibilities? No, it has to be churchlady voice "THE
SPANKING BAN."

Odd, that the very population that has benefited by it show LOWERED
crime rates according to the government, but overall crime is up where
IMMIGRANTS WHO WON'T OBEY THE SPANKING BAN ARE COUNTED INTO THE
POPULATION.

The Pro Spanking desperation is obvious. As more and more people accept
and embrace non-spanking as a way of child rearing, and more and more
governments ban it, and more and more severely restrict it's use, and
more and more schools in our country ban paddling, these people are
going out of their mind...rather than take a careful look at the data
and figure out the truth.

We have a thousand year old lie to deal with here. The belief that
spanking works.

Kane

 




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