Is 1k a month support 2 kids too little for 51k salary?

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"jean paul sartre" wrote in message
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On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:37:37 -0700, teachrmama wrote:

You don't mention how much the mother earns. It makes a
difference.

"jean paul sartre" wrote in message
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Hi, I have a question... Does anybody have an idea about this?

I live/work in Washington DC- I have two toddlers with a woman in
NY.
I
earn (before taxes) 51k a year.

We don't have a formal arrangements with the courts for child
support.
I send her 1k a month and I help out with medical expenses as
they
show
up.
Last year the amount I sent her averaged to about 1300 a month.

Is this too much? Too little ? What would the courts find- what
is the
likelyhood they would order me to increase or decrease the
amount??


She earns very little. She works part time and moved in with her
mother.

Ok. Look on alllaw.com, at the child support calculators. You will
have
to
use the state the child lives in. It will show approximately what
you
would
have to pay with a court order. I am not sure whether it includes
child
care into the calculation.

For what it's worth, courts NEVER order someone to pay less. In other
words,
they order a minimum; not a maximum.

Perhaps I'm unique, but I was ordered to pay less CS after the CS
guidelines were implemented. The irony was I had more income than when
the original CS order was made yet the modification of the CS order
using the new guidelines dropped the amount paid down about $150 per
month.

I have to admit the above is why I don't think the CS guidelines are
that unreasonable. But I did think paying CS, SS, and income taxes
that took 75% of my gross income was way over the top.

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I think it probably depends on what state you are in. Some states take
out way more than others. We were really rocked financially when my
husband got hit with CS and arrearages, but we survived. They tried to
force him to change to another insurance option at work that they
thought would be more convenient for his older daughter, but would have
put all of us over 2 hours from medical care. The attorneys where he
worked stepped in and told them no. If we had been hit with the cost of
that insurance (much more expensive), plus child care, on top of the CS
order, it would have wiped us out. The CS itself was doable, even
though it was far more per month than we spent on both of our daughters.

I was just making a point about how the CS guidelines helped me. Before
the guidelines were in existence the judges had a free shot to screw NCP
fathers. They didn't explain how they came up with the amounts ordered,
what incomes they used, etc. They just flipped out a bunch of numbers.
In fact, the only thing the judge in my case mentioned was the Lyin'
Lenore Weitzman line of BS about how I would recover very quickly in the
future. I read that to mean the judge knew she was screwing me in the
short-term under the assumption I would be okay in the future. Of
course, now we know the concept of men recovering financially very
quickly after divorce was based on erroneous research calculations by
Weitzman and her 10 year cover-up and denials of the mistakes that cost a
bunch of us big dollars because the "recovery" demonstrated by her
research calculations was never real.

I know, Bob. I wasn't criticizing you.

I knew that.

One of the problems in my state is we have not had a Republican governor for
over 20 years to appoint any conservative judges. What that means is
virtually every judge that sits on the bench today was appointed by a
governor from the liberal side of the political spectrum. The one that had
my case was one of the first feminist law school grads appointed to the
bench. She considered herself one of the progressive thinkers in family
law. She died a couple of months ago of Acute Alzheimer's Disease. I now
believe she was afflicted with the disease while she was on the bench. Her
reputation while in Family Law was she spilled more cocktails than she could
drink. Ironically, in her obituary they made no mention of her years in
DomRel and instead focused on her Juvenile Court years at the end of her
career.

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custody of such child]

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"Bob W" wrote in message
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"Chris" wrote in message
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custody of such child]

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"teachrmama" wrote in message
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"jean paul sartre" wrote in message
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On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:37:37 -0700, teachrmama wrote:

You don't mention how much the mother earns. It makes a difference.

"jean paul sartre" wrote in message
...
Hi, I have a question... Does anybody have an idea about this?

I live/work in Washington DC- I have two toddlers with a woman in
NY.
I
earn (before taxes) 51k a year.

We don't have a formal arrangements with the courts for child
support.
I send her 1k a month and I help out with medical expenses as they
show
up.
Last year the amount I sent her averaged to about 1300 a month.

Is this too much? Too little ? What would the courts find- what is
the
likelyhood they would order me to increase or decrease the amount??


She earns very little. She works part time and moved in with her
mother.

Ok. Look on alllaw.com, at the child support calculators. You will
have
to
use the state the child lives in. It will show approximately what you
would
have to pay with a court order. I am not sure whether it includes
child
care into the calculation.

For what it's worth, courts NEVER order someone to pay less. In other
words,
they order a minimum; not a maximum.

Perhaps I'm unique, but I was ordered to pay less CS after the CS
guidelines
were implemented.

It was not an order limiting how much you were allowed to pay. Therefore, it
was not an order to pay "less".

The irony was I had more income than when the original CS
order was made yet the modification of the CS order using the new
guidelines
dropped the amount paid down about $150 per month.

I have to admit the above is why I don't think the CS guidelines are that
unreasonable. But I did think paying CS, SS, and income taxes that took
75%
of my gross income was way over the top.