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1. Comment by Hollis G. (hollis) — July 15,2007 @ 2:21AM
Rating: 13 Thumbs Up

This reminds me of the people who take in more pets than they should.

There should be more frequent visits to all houses of those who
care for special-needs children, to make sure both the parents and kids
are doing ok.


2. Comment by R T. (#4829) — July 15,2007 @ 3:56AM
Rating: 12 Thumbs Up

#1, the visits that should come are the visits of help. my kids are
autistic, food allergies, ADHD and so forth. the school is always
calling CPS with unfounded reports.

unless you have special needs kids you have no clue what it is
like. it is very hard, emotionally draining and will put a strain on any
relationship.

from my situation the school sees a rash, scrape, bruise, wrong
clothes, a itch, wrong hair cut style, pretty much anything they call.
the worse part is, the school blows smoke up my ass saying its trying to
help. if the school wants to help it should think before it calls CPS


3. Comment by Annie H. (saladfork) — July 15,2007 @ 6:03AM
Rating: 13 Thumbs Up

As a former caseworker I found placing any more than 1-2 special
needs kids into a single family strained it to near breaking point. In
fact I saw more than a few homes break up even at that level.

The foster care system needs more willing homes so they can stop
overloading homes. But its hard to find those homes due to the life
committment, the committment of resourses and the lack of outside support.


4. Comment by Merle S. (#5415) — July 15,2007 @ 8:29AM
Rating: 14 Thumbs Up

Allowing these folks to adopt 19 children, even perfectly developed
ones, is a poor idea. Allowing them to have that many severely disabled
children is just criminal.


5. Comment by Lori S. (Loris) — July 15,2007 @ 9:24AM
Rating: 11 Thumbs Up

"The couple relied on subsidies from the various states from which
the children were adopted. They also received Social Security in
addition to their own savings and credit. But the subsidies have
stopped, and Karin Wilson said their home will soon be for sale."

They no longer have the children. And now they can't pay their bills.
Children as Chattel (subsidies)


6. Comment by Virginia G. (VAinTucson) — July 15,2007 @ 10:42AM
Rating: 5 Thumbs Up

"Karin Wilson said she did not want to trivialize the incident, but
characterized it as a momentary breakdown."

Okay, wasn't this the same guy who had another "momentary
breakdown" last year when he blocked a school bus in his driveway,
holding it hostage until the news crews arrived, because he had an issue
with how his kids were being treated on the bus? I think that it's time
that these kids be moved from their current "warehouse-for-profit"
environment and placed in safer and more appropriate surroundings.
Kuddos to CPS!


7. Comment by Lori S. (Loris) — July 15,2007 @ 12:16PM
Rating: 4 Thumbs Up

HHS Awards Adoption Bonuses to States
On October 14, 2004, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
(HHS) Secretary Tommy G. Thompson announced the awarding of $17,896,000
in adoption bonuses to 31 States and Puerto Rico. The funding comes from
the Adoption Incentives Program and is given to States that were
successful in increasing the number of adoptions from the public child
welfare system over the number of adoptions in 2002.

The bonuses go to State child welfare agencies for a variety of
child welfare and other related services including adoption and
adoption-related services.

The Adoption Incentive Program, which was revised and strengthened
last December by the Bush Administration, [actually Democrats advocate
socialist policies - it takes a village to raise a child - Hilliary, and
the like. If you notice our reps that fight FOR families, Paton, Karen
Johnson, Knaperek, et al are Republican, Napolitano, Goddard, etc are
Demo.I am indep't, ex-Repub]
Two key changes that strengthen States' adoption and child welfare
services a
An additional bonus of $4,000 to States for each child aged 9 and
above adopted from the public child welfare system. This bonus is on top
of the current $4,000 provided for each child and on top of the $2,000
bonus for each special needs child adopted.

The threshold to receive incentives has been reset based on the
number of adoptions in FY 2002, making States that reached their highest
number of adoptions in the earlier years of the program more likely to
qualify for a bonus. [STEAL MORE KIDS FOR MONEY]
==========

GOVERNMENT RUN CHILD MARKETING SCAM


Subject: How the Family System Really Works
Adoption Bonuses: The Money Behind the Madness
No Happy Ending for These Children
DSS and Affiliates Rewarded for Breaking Up Families
by Nev Moore, Massachusetts News

Where to Find the Children
A whole new industry was put into motion. A sweet marketing scheme
that even Bill Gates could envy. Now, if you have a basket of apples,
and people start giving you $100 per apple, what are you going to do?
Make sure that you have an unlimited supply of apples, right? The United
States Department of Health & Human Services administers Child
Protective Services. To accompany the ASF Act, the President requested,
by executive memorandum, an initiative entitled Adoption 2002, to be
implemented and managed by Health & Human Services. The initiative not
only gives the cash adoption bonuses to the states, it also provides
cash adoption subsidies to adoptive parents until the children turn
eighteen. Everybody makes money. If anyone really believes that these
people are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, then I've got
some bad news for you.

The fact that this program is run by HHS, ordered from the very
top, explains why the citizens who are victims of DSS get no response
from their legislators. It explains why no one in the Administration
cares about the abuse and fatalities of children in the "care" of DSS,
and no one wants to hear about the broken arms, verbal abuse, or rapes.
They are just business casualties. It explains why the legislators I've
talked to for the past three years look at me with pity. Because I'm
preaching to the already damned.
The legislators have forgotten who funds their paychecks and who
they need to account to, as has the Governor. Because it isn't the
President. It's us.

How DSS Is Helped
The way that the adoption bonuses work is that each state is given
a baseline number of expected adoptions based on population. For every
child that DSS can get adopted, there is a bonus of $4,000 to $6,000.
But that is just the starting figure in a complex mathematical formula
in which each bonus is multiplied by the percentage that the state has
managed to exceed its baseline adoption number. The states must maintain
this increase in each successive year. [Like compound interest.] The
bill reads: "$4,000 to $6,000 will be multiplied by the amount (if any)
by which the number of foster child adoptions in the State exceeds the
base number of foster child adoptions for the State for the fiscal year."


8. Comment by Lori S. (Loris) — July 15,2007 @ 12:19PM
Rating: 7 Thumbs Up

Virginia, they get more money every time they move them. Statistics
add up to "averages" which is what the federal funding is based on - see
above articles. Sometimes (not usually, but it does happen) they even do
this to foster parents (false accusations) to move them to get more
money. The bad foster parents, what about them? Ask the parents of Mays,
Hill, others... It has nothing to do with protection, nothing at all -
just the green.


9. Comment by Lori S. (Loris) — July 15,2007 @ 12:31PM
Rating: 7 Thumbs Up

That is right from the Federal DHHS site. Also see Child Welfare
Bureau. All stats, money, etc I ever post is right from the horses
mouth. check it yourself. - YOUR social security money.

TITLE IV—GRANTS TO STATES FOR CHILD-WELFARE SERVICES [1]

Part B—Child and Family Services
Subpart 1—Child Welfare Services
Sec. 420. [Repealed.]
Sec. 421. Purpose
Sec. 422. State plans for child welfare services
Sec. 423. Allotments to States
Sec. 424. Payment to States
Sec. 425. Limitations on authorization of appropriations
Sec. 426. Research, training, or demonstration projects
Sec. 427. [Repealed.]
Sec. 428. Payments to Indian tribal organizations
Sec. 429. National random sample study of child welfare
Subpart 2—Promoting Safe and Stable Families
Sec. 430. Findings and Purpose
Sec. 431. Definitions
Sec. 432. State plans
Sec. 433. Allotments to States
Sec. 434. Payments to States
Sec. 435. Evaluations; Research; Technical Assistance
Sec. 436 Authorization of appropriations; Reservation of certain
amounts
Sec. 437 Discretionary and Targeted Grants
Sec. 438 Entitlement funding for State courts to assess and improve
handling of proceedings relating to foster care and adoption
Sec. 439 Grants for programs for mentoring children of prisoners

Part E—Federal Payments for Foster Care and Adoption Assistance
Sec. 470. Purpose: appropriation
Sec. 471. State plan for foster care and adoption assistance
Sec. 472. Foster care maintenance payments program
Sec. 473. Adoption assistance program
Sec. 473A. Adoption incentive payments
Sec. 473B. Timely interstate home study incentive payments
Sec. 474. Payments to States; Allotments to States
Sec. 475. Definitions
Sec. 476. Technical assistance; Data collection and evaluation
Sec. 477. John H. Chafee foster care independence program
Sec. 478. Rule of construction
Sec. 479. Collection of data relating to adoption and foster care
Sec. 479A. Annual report

[1] Title IV of the Social Security Act is administered by the
Department of Health and Human Services. The Administration for Public
Services, Office of Human Development Services, administers social
services under Title IV, Parts B and E.

http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title04/0400.htm
======================

STate- they get matched by the feds! [Kidnapping incentive] -
Nappi, are you listening????

Summary of the Final CPS Bill HB2024
December 15, 2003

HB2024 Appropriation

· Provides $10.3 million be appropriated to DES from the general fund
to maintain current staffing and service levels for child
protective services. Excuses DES from the
provisions of 35-131 (D)(2), which would otherwise require that DES
report monthly how it
will reduce services and staff to meet the shortfall.

· Provides for $6,304,300 million to fund reform efforts that will
allow CPS to conduct 100% investigations of reports of abuse and
neglect, reduce caseloads of CPS
workers to national standards, provide additional compensation for
CPS workers (including
monthly stipends for CPS investigators), increase the foster rate
reimbursement rate for foster
parents (first increase since 1996) and replace outdated
information technology equipment.

· Provides for $675,000 for FY2003-2004 through FY2005-2006 from the
state general fund to DES for residential drug treatment.

· Provides for $25,000 to fund an additional position to DHS to
conduct the home inspections for the licensing of foster homes.


10. Comment by Bobo A. (#4323) — July 15,2007 @ 1:15PM
Rating: 7 Thumbs Up

#2 - RT- As you know, if a school employee has reason to suspect
abuse or neglect s/he is required by law to report it. Since many
severely disabled children cannot express how an injury occurred,
everything can become suspicious. Some disabled children also frequently
just say "mama" or "daddy" when asked how something happened.You may
recall that Marana employees almost did jail time over failure to
report. I suspect you are exaggerating about the haircuts, though.

#6 - Virginia - I only hope they are in more appropriate and safer
homes. Children in the CPS system are always at high risk for physical,
emotional and sexual abuse. There are many great foster parents, but are
also a lot of untrained, questionable group home staff, and foster
parents in it for the stipends.

(I once confronted a woman about slapping a 3 year-old across the
face in the store. She pointed out that she was the foster parent, and
this was the only way she could get the child's attention. I called the
police, thinking this was especially inappropriate for a paid caregiver.
After interviewing the foster parent, the police told me that the child
was in psychiatric care, and very difficult to handle, so the slap was
considered justified. What 3 year-old removed from her family wouldn't
be a little difficult? In fact, what 3 year-old isn't "difficult" under
normal circumstances? Witnessing the whole event, I can tell you that
the child could have been easily handled just by being placed in the
basket and being spoken to and engaged in shopping, rather than dragged
through the store by the arm being yelled at and slapped for looking at
things. If this is the public display, what happens at home.)


11. Comment by David R. (Mottmer) — July 15,2007 @ 1:50PM
Rating: 5 Thumbs Up

I've done this, albeit without so many kids at once. The most I've
taken is 2 at a time. It's rewarding in its own right, but sometimes it
can be pretty difficult. I can totally understand the stress involved,
and sometimes you really need a break for your sanity's sake. I also
wonder about how anyone could take in that many at once. As I read the
story (which probably leaves much out), I think they have taken care of
these kids with very noble intentions, and the kids would have otherwise
lived in various institutions or group homes where (regardless of the
efforts of staff, many of whom can be great people) they would be more
likely to slip through the cracks and never know family life. On the
other hand, maybe some of the agencies involved could provide more
assistance, even if in small ways, that would make a large difference in
the stress level.

About schools, I've had some bad experiences dealing with some (but
good ones with others; I need to give credit where it's due). Some
teachers and administrators are totally understanding, but some can be
very fast to blame you for problems that existed in someone prior to
placement in your home; they seem to think that you should be able to
quash it all in a few days, and take you to task for not using methods
that are specifically forbidden by law, or by terms of whatever contract
or service plans you're operating under. They can get incredibly
vindictive when you disagree with them for... well, for just about
anything. I haven't dealt with Marana schools, and maybe they really did
see something that needed reporting, but I've learned that sometimes you
need to take some reports with several large rocks of salt.


12. Comment by Bobo A. (#4323) — July 15,2007 @ 2:36PM
Rating: 4 Thumbs Up

1. 11- I agree about some reports being quite erroneous.
Unfortunately, the law is stacked against teachers who fail to report
any "suspicion". After the Marana prosecutions, and subsequent barage of
professional development, many are running scared. They are specifically
prohibited from asking the child questions, or trying to
confirm/disconfirm the abuse. That is totally the role of CPS, police,
jury, etc. Of course, becoming vindictive or refusing to work as
partners with parents is totally unacceptable.

Many professionals think the whole reporting laws work against
those they are designed to protect. For example, most kids know about
mandatory reporting (and sentencing), and often will fail to talk to
anyone just because they know it will be reported. If an 17 year-old
tells a school counselor that he/she was molested 10 years ago by an
uncle, the child will be dragged through the entire reporting and police
procedures. An 18year-old who reports the same thing, has a choice. Even
professional therapists are not allowed to determine if reporting is in
the best interest of the child, or spend time encouraging them to
report. The report must be made within 24 hours. At that point, it is
out of their hands. Why should any child feel the need to remain silent
for so long, just to protect a perpetrator (and in their minds, the
family). Most children involved in the entire process will tell you that
they would never report again.


13. Comment by Clouds 4. (customcloud) — July 15,2007 @ 3:32PM
Rating: 2 Thumbs Up

12 Bobo, your comment reminded me of an article I read that I was
able to find online. The similiarities are chilling, to say the least.

Social Science: America's Implanted Leadership
by Nancy Levant, June 5, 2007

They are paid to profile and report.
These “human service agents” are crawling all over your public
schools systems – in EVERY public school - your daycare centers, your
healthcare clinics and organizations, EVERY social/human service
organization, and even your public libraries, who are now quietly
pushing Teen Screen in their after-school “care” programs for teens.

More on link. http://www.newswithviews.com/Levant/nancy91.htm


14. Comment by Carol R. (azcruby) — July 15,2007 @ 3:42PM
Rating: 2 Thumbs Up

Clearly, the system is broken and the children are the losers. A
travesty and a tragedy.


15. Comment by R T. (#4829) — July 15,2007 @ 4:00PM
Rating: 0 Thumbs Up

#10 bobo, we work with the school on a level no other families do.
we talk to the principal or his assistant and teachers everyday. we have
a school district aid come to the house 2-3 times a week. we have a DDD
case worker, therapist's and the like come in. i should install a
revolving door thats how many are here in a week.

why doesn't DDD or anyone else call? i will tell you why, cuz the
school has nothing else better to do than to treat all kids exactly the
same when clearly they are not




CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
SECURITY AGENCY/CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WIRETAPPING PROGRAM....

CPS Does not protect children...
It is sickening how many children are subject to abuse, neglect and even
killed at the hands of Child Protective Services.

every parent should read this .pdf from
connecticut dcf watch...

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com/8x11.pdf

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com

Number of Cases per 100,000 children in the US
These numbers come from The National Center on
Child Abuse and Neglect in Washington. (NCCAN)
Recent numbers have increased significantly for CPS

*Perpetrators of Maltreatment*

Physical Abuse CPS 160, Parents 59
Sexual Abuse CPS 112, Parents 13
Neglect CPS 410, Parents 241
Medical Neglect CPS 14 Parents 12
Fatalities CPS 6.4, Parents 1.5

Imagine that, 6.4 children die at the hands of the very agencies that
are supposed to protect them and only 1.5 at the hands of parents per
100,000 children. CPS perpetrates more abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse
and kills more children then parents in the United States. If the
citizens of this country hold CPS to the same standards that they hold
parents too. No judge should ever put another child in the hands of ANY
government agency because CPS nationwide is guilty of more harm and
death than any human being combined. CPS nationwide is guilty of more
human rights violations and deaths of children then the homes from which
they were removed. When are the judges going to wake up and see that
they are sending children to their death and a life of abuse when
children are removed from safe homes based on the mere opinion of a
bunch of social workers.

BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEY
ARE "FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...
 




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