Who has the ultimate right to choose?

"Chris" wrote in message
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"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
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teachrmama wrote:
"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
teachrmama wrote:
"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
Relayer wrote:
Really, bottom line is if the guy doesn't want to be a father, the
LEAST he can do is use a condom.

A classic anti-abortion argument.

Not 100% but still better than
nothing. However, most guys dont like them. But some will like
being
a
father a LOT less.....

If he didn't use a condom, then too bad.

"If she wore a short skirt then she deserved to be raped."

Same logic.

Oh come on, Ray. A man who does not want to be a father but does
want
to
engage in sexual intercourse could at least have the common sense to
protect
himself.

The classic anti-abortion argument.

It's HIS sperm--he should at least try to keep the little fellers
corralled.

And her egg. But more importantly, whether to have a child is still
entirely her choice.

All the more reason for the man to protect himself--seeing as how at
this
point in time the system is going to enrich the woman at the expense of
both
the man and the child. Certainly there is nobody else out there
protecting
you.

Time to change the system. Not that I expect it to happen soon
because most women are more interested in protecting their priviledges
than they are in equality.


I agree. But, until then, you'd best be protecting yourself, right?

Double-edged sword. Are there immediate benefits to protecting yourself?
Yes. However, if the vast majority of men "protect" themselves, then the
chances of the system changing approaches zero. Why? Because this problem
will be virtually non-existent; no complaints, crusades, etc.. Remember,
the
squeaky wheel gets the grease; or at least has a chance to get the grease.
No squeak, no grease.

Surely, surely you are not suggesting that men go out and impregnate every
possible female so the "squeak" will be louder, Chris! I am apalled at your
suggestion!!


So now we have a NEW problem; that of men shouldering the irresponsible
woman's responsibility. But wait, they're already doing that. Besides, how
will the human race continue with men protecting themselves? Last I
checked,
parthenogenesis in humans does not exist.

What do you care how irresponsible the woman is if you are taking
responsibility for YOUR sexual behavior?


The problem men are faced with is not unlike the problem that a woman
utilizing an empty laundromat late at night faces. When she gets raped
while
doing her children's laundry, could you imagine the public outcry if it
was
suggested that she somehow deserved it because she did not "protect"
herself? But yet, apply the SAME example to a man (regarding unprotected
sex), and it's commonly accepted that he deserved it. Go figure.

Sticking clothes in a wahing machine to get them clean is not exactly the
same as sticking you ______ in a ____ to give yourself pleasure, Chris.


I guess you could say that no benefit is without its risks. But the man
should NOT be forced to share a risk without the accompanying benefit!

Hey, you know perfectly well how I feel about 50/50 shared custody, each
parent pays their own way. Btu what does stupidly feeding yourself to a
merciless system have to do with overcoming the evils of that system?
Protect yourself, and fight for justice. You don't have to be a victim to
fight.


To my knowledge, being a parent isn't a crime; at least it's not if you
are
a woman. But if you are a man, you get fined with TWO DECADES of payments
or
prison, even if you were FORCED into parenthood.

And if you know that will be the result, why would you be foolish enought
NOT to protect yourself?