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Problem with powdered formula
NOTE: Please do not reply to this post to debate about breastfeeding
vs formula. My only interest is in getting help with a formula problem. Thank you. Hi, I'm a first time parent with a 3 month old. Our son has been very happy and healthy since we brought him home. My wife has been breastfeeding but we have occasionally been supplementing with formula in anticipation of switching over by 6 months or so. Also our son is HUGE (when he was born he was 11 lbs 2 oz) and formula helps us to keep his belly full. When he was about 6-7 weeks old, there was one night when he had breastfed, then had a bottle, then breastfed again and wound up projectile vomiting all over the place. He was pretty listless for about an hour but was then fine. We figured he'd just had too much to eat and since he doesn't burp well, we figured he just couldn't hold it all in. We held off completely on formula for a month, and then started slowly again with some supplements. Once again, there came a night when he had breastfed and had some formula and wound up vomiting, although this time a bit less spectacularly but he still clearly emptied his entire stomach. This time we figured maybe the common thread was the combination in one feeding of breastmilk and formula so we decided to wait a little bit and then try again but keep to feedings with all formula or all breastmilk but not both. Last night he once again vomited after drinking just a few ounces of formula. Now, once again, we have a hypothesis. We have given him all sorts of varieties of formula and he has kept down a lot but it seems that every time we have given him powdered formula, whether it was Enfamil or Isomil, he always threw up. All 3 times it's the common thread. He drank several bottles of liquid Isomil Advanced with Iron without a problem but both times we gave him the powdered form of the exact same formula he threw up. And the first time he threw up was on powdered Enfamil, but he had drank liquid Enfamil without a problem several times previously. My question is, has anybody out there had a child that could handle all types of formula in the liquid form but could not handle powdered formula? And if so, will he outgrow it, is it maybe just that his stomach can't handle the powder in suspension right now? We have filtered well water so I don't think it's the water. We clean the bottles and use tepid water and we use bottles with collapsible sleeves so I don't think it's a hygiene, suction/air, etc. issue. Can anyone help? Thanks Dad with many cans of powder and a lot of questions |
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"joe smith" wrote in message om... NOTE: Please do not reply to this post to debate about breastfeeding vs formula. My only interest is in getting help with a formula problem. Thank you. Hi, I'm a first time parent with a 3 month old. Our son has been very happy and healthy since we brought him home. My wife has been breastfeeding but we have occasionally been supplementing with formula in anticipation of switching over by 6 months or so. Also our son is HUGE (when he was born he was 11 lbs 2 oz) and formula helps us to keep his belly full. When he was about 6-7 weeks old, there was one night when he had breastfed, then had a bottle, then breastfed again and wound up projectile vomiting all over the place. He was pretty listless for about an hour but was then fine. We figured he'd just had too much to eat and since he doesn't burp well, we figured he just couldn't hold it all in. We held off completely on formula for a month, and then started slowly again with some supplements. Once again, there came a night when he had breastfed and had some formula and wound up vomiting, although this time a bit less spectacularly but he still clearly emptied his entire stomach. This time we figured maybe the common thread was the combination in one feeding of breastmilk and formula so we decided to wait a little bit and then try again but keep to feedings with all formula or all breastmilk but not both. Last night he once again vomited after drinking just a few ounces of formula. Now, once again, we have a hypothesis. We have given him all sorts of varieties of formula and he has kept down a lot but it seems that every time we have given him powdered formula, whether it was Enfamil or Isomil, he always threw up. All 3 times it's the common thread. He drank several bottles of liquid Isomil Advanced with Iron without a problem but both times we gave him the powdered form of the exact same formula he threw up. And the first time he threw up was on powdered Enfamil, but he had drank liquid Enfamil without a problem several times previously. My question is, has anybody out there had a child that could handle all types of formula in the liquid form but could not handle powdered formula? And if so, will he outgrow it, is it maybe just that his stomach can't handle the powder in suspension right now? We have filtered well water so I don't think it's the water. We clean the bottles and use tepid water and we use bottles with collapsible sleeves so I don't think it's a hygiene, suction/air, etc. issue. Can anyone help? Thanks Dad with many cans of powder and a lot of questions Maybe he has a milk protein problem? Or reflux? Powdered formula always causes more gas in my friends' babies than the RTE type, but I've only had experience with RTE hypoallergenic formulas so I don't know if that's normal or not. I know you said you didn't want to debate, but if he's happy being breastfed, why don't you just let him nurse? Seems like it'd be easier than cleaning up projectile vomit, which was my least favorite thing in the world with my reflux baby. |
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Maybe he has a milk protein problem? Or reflux? Powdered formula always causes more gas in my friends' babies than the RTE type, but I've only had experience with RTE hypoallergenic formulas so I don't know if that's normal or not. I know you said you didn't want to debate, but if he's happy being breastfed, why don't you just let him nurse? Seems like it'd be easier than cleaning up projectile vomit, which was my least favorite thing in the world with my reflux baby. Some powdered formulas make lots of bubbles when you prepare it too. Might be that. I only used the liquid formula in the hospital, and switched to powder at home. Since the OP said he's used all kinds of formula, I don't know what it could be except that it's powder. To the OP - Have you tried soy formula - either Prosobee or Carnation Good Start's Allsoy? |
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FWIW, any type of projectile vomiting in such a young baby is a very good
reason to see a doctor. I'd strongly recommend you discuss this with a pediatrician before you continue giving your son any more formula, especially the cow-milk based ones. -- -- I mommy to DS (19m) mommy to a tiny angel (Oct 2003) EDD October 1 guardian of DH (33) War doesn't decide who's right, only who's left |
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joe smith writes:
: NOTE: Please do not reply to this post to debate about breastfeeding : vs formula. My only interest is in getting help with a formula : problem. Thank you. For proper techniques in mixing formula please refer to Elfanie's post. If you are already doing this then I agree with the other posters who think it could be a cow protein reaction. In that case, switching to a soy forumla should help. : Hi, : I'm a first time parent with a 3 month old. Our son has been very : happy and healthy since we brought him home. My wife has been : breastfeeding but we have occasionally been supplementing with formula : in anticipation of switching over by 6 months or so. In order to reduce the incidence of atopic diseases, it is a good idea to overlap the starting of solids and the termination of breastfeeding by at least 3 to 4 months. Factors in the breastmilk make the transition to other foods easier. Good luck, Larry |
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"Larry McMahan" wrote in message ... joe smith writes: : NOTE: Please do not reply to this post to debate about breastfeeding : vs formula. My only interest is in getting help with a formula : problem. Thank you. For proper techniques in mixing formula please refer to Elfanie's post. If you are already doing this then I agree with the other posters who think it could be a cow protein reaction. In that case, switching to a soy forumla should help. Not necessarily. Many babies who cannot tolerate cow's milk proteins can also not tolerate soy protein. I believe there was another thread recently (here or on misc.kids.breastfeeding, I don't remember) about some babies not tolerating powdered formulas but doing perfectly fine on the concentrated liquid variety or the ready-to-feed. So it may be something in the way the formula is made at the factory, *not* in the way the OP mixes it up at home. I think if I were in the OP's shoes, I would stick exclusively to the concentrated or ready-to-feed variety for....well, N number of feeds. 5, or 10, or whatever one package makes. If no vomiting occurs, but does after powdered, then I would figure this for the reason, and stick with the tolerated form for those feeds that must be supplemented or replaced with formula. Of course, it's more expensive, but if it stays down, that's more important. --angela |
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"joe smith" wrote in message
om... NOTE: Please do not reply to this post to debate about breastfeeding vs formula. My only interest is in getting help with a formula problem. Thank you. Hi, I'm a first time parent with a 3 month old. Our son has been very happy and healthy since we brought him home. My wife has been breastfeeding but we have occasionally been supplementing with formula in anticipation of switching over by 6 months or so. Also our son is HUGE (when he was born he was 11 lbs 2 oz) and formula helps us to keep his belly full. When he was about 6-7 weeks old, there was one night when he had breastfed, then had a bottle, then breastfed again and wound up projectile vomiting all over the place. He was pretty listless for about an hour but was then fine. We figured he'd just had too much to eat and since he doesn't burp well, we figured he just couldn't hold it all in. We held off completely on formula for a month, and then started slowly again with some supplements. Once again, there came a night when he had breastfed and had some formula and wound up vomiting, although this time a bit less spectacularly but he still clearly emptied his entire stomach. This time we figured maybe the common thread was the combination in one feeding of breastmilk and formula so we decided to wait a little bit and then try again but keep to feedings with all formula or all breastmilk but not both. Last night he once again vomited after drinking just a few ounces of formula. Now, once again, we have a hypothesis. We have given him all sorts of varieties of formula and he has kept down a lot but it seems that every time we have given him powdered formula, whether it was Enfamil or Isomil, he always threw up. All 3 times it's the common thread. He drank several bottles of liquid Isomil Advanced with Iron without a problem but both times we gave him the powdered form of the exact same formula he threw up. And the first time he threw up was on powdered Enfamil, but he had drank liquid Enfamil without a problem several times previously. My question is, has anybody out there had a child that could handle all types of formula in the liquid form but could not handle powdered formula? And if so, will he outgrow it, is it maybe just that his stomach can't handle the powder in suspension right now? We have filtered well water so I don't think it's the water. We clean the bottles and use tepid water and we use bottles with collapsible sleeves so I don't think it's a hygiene, suction/air, etc. issue. Can anyone help? Thanks Dad with many cans of powder and a lot of questions One thing that helped with my kids was to make it all up at night in a large quantity (about a quart) and then put it in the bottles and let them sit in the fridge overnight so that the extra air incorporated into it when you shake the it would settle out. Leigh in raLeigh |
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joe smith wrote: *NOTE: Please do not reply to this post to debate about breastfeeding *vs formula. My only interest is in getting help with a formula *problem. Thank you. Oh boy. * I'm a first time parent with a 3 month old. Our son has been very *happy and healthy since we brought him home. My wife has been Congratulations! *breastfeeding but we have occasionally been supplementing with formula *in anticipation of switching over by 6 months or so. Also our son is *HUGE (when he was born he was 11 lbs 2 oz) and formula helps us to *keep his belly full. For the benefit of other readers who may be unaware, I would simply like to point out that exclusive breastfeeding is not only recommended by the AAP and WHO for the first six months of life, but it is also *perfectly able* to keep the belly of even the largest newborn baby full. My cousin Andrew was 11 pounds at birth and he was breastfed and no formula was needed "to keep his belly full." Yes, formula is less digestible and therefore sometimes the baby doesn't eat as often, but that's irrelevant. Anyway. Just wanted to point that out lest someone get the wrong idea. *seems that every time we have given him powdered formula, whether it *was Enfamil or Isomil, he always threw up. All 3 times it's the *common thread. He drank several bottles of liquid Isomil Advanced *with Iron without a problem but both times we gave him the powdered *form of the exact same formula he threw up. And the first time he *threw up was on powdered Enfamil, but he had drank liquid Enfamil *without a problem several times previously. So, I guess I wonder, why keep giving him powdered formula if he can't tolerate it? I would just use the liquid if he pukes on the powdered. Seems logical. * My question is, has anybody out there had a child that could handle *all types of formula in the liquid form but could not handle powdered *formula? Does it matter? I mean, suppose your kid was the only one with this problem. He still has the problem! Best of luck with handling a difficult situation. Good for your wife for BFing at all. Your son is better off for it! -- hillary israeli vmd http://www.hillary.net "uber vaccae in quattuor partes divisum est." not-so-newly minted veterinarian-at-large |
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Have you asked the doctor, possibly your son is lactose intolerant. There
are formulas available for babies that can not handle lactose. "joe smith" wrote in message om... NOTE: Please do not reply to this post to debate about breastfeeding vs formula. My only interest is in getting help with a formula problem. Thank you. Hi, I'm a first time parent with a 3 month old. Our son has been very happy and healthy since we brought him home. My wife has been breastfeeding but we have occasionally been supplementing with formula in anticipation of switching over by 6 months or so. Also our son is HUGE (when he was born he was 11 lbs 2 oz) and formula helps us to keep his belly full. When he was about 6-7 weeks old, there was one night when he had breastfed, then had a bottle, then breastfed again and wound up projectile vomiting all over the place. He was pretty listless for about an hour but was then fine. We figured he'd just had too much to eat and since he doesn't burp well, we figured he just couldn't hold it all in. We held off completely on formula for a month, and then started slowly again with some supplements. Once again, there came a night when he had breastfed and had some formula and wound up vomiting, although this time a bit less spectacularly but he still clearly emptied his entire stomach. This time we figured maybe the common thread was the combination in one feeding of breastmilk and formula so we decided to wait a little bit and then try again but keep to feedings with all formula or all breastmilk but not both. Last night he once again vomited after drinking just a few ounces of formula. Now, once again, we have a hypothesis. We have given him all sorts of varieties of formula and he has kept down a lot but it seems that every time we have given him powdered formula, whether it was Enfamil or Isomil, he always threw up. All 3 times it's the common thread. He drank several bottles of liquid Isomil Advanced with Iron without a problem but both times we gave him the powdered form of the exact same formula he threw up. And the first time he threw up was on powdered Enfamil, but he had drank liquid Enfamil without a problem several times previously. My question is, has anybody out there had a child that could handle all types of formula in the liquid form but could not handle powdered formula? And if so, will he outgrow it, is it maybe just that his stomach can't handle the powder in suspension right now? We have filtered well water so I don't think it's the water. We clean the bottles and use tepid water and we use bottles with collapsible sleeves so I don't think it's a hygiene, suction/air, etc. issue. Can anyone help? Thanks Dad with many cans of powder and a lot of questions |
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"Doula Danielle" wrote in message news:Z0TUb.51391$F15.42123@fed1read06... Have you asked the doctor, possibly your son is lactose intolerant. There are formulas available for babies that can not handle lactose. No, no, no. Human milk has MANY times more lactose in it than cow's milk does. Cow's milk is VERY different from human milk. Human babies are designed biologically to have human milk, with lots of lactose, and the inability to tolerate lactose (called 'galactosemia') is not only rare but life-threatening if not identified. Since the OP's baby tolerates formulas mixed up from the liquid type concentrate, and not mixed from powder, it would appear to be a problem with the way the powdered kind is made. The other very likely possibility (if he tolerated no formulas, or only soy-based formula) would be an intolerance to cow's milk protein. Cow's milk protein is VERY different from the proteins in human milk, and intolerance in infants is fairly common. --angela |
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