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On Jun 26, 4:36 pm, "teachrmama" wrote:
"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message ... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message m... "whatamess" wrote in message roups.com... On Jun 25, 12:29 pm, John Meyer wrote: whatamess wrote: On Jun 25, 9:01 am, John Meyer wrote: Chris wrote: Just curious: How many times can a mother encourage her children to flunk in school in order to prolong the free income from "child support"? I don't know, but one thing's for certain, if you can get actual proof that she's doing this, I'd be down there at the court filing for a change of custody because of child abuse. Even if you get proof, I can assure you the courts will say that "it's in the best interest of the child" to continue to support him to ensure he gets at least a high school education... And also, there's a fine line between encouraging them to fail, and being so neglectful that they continue to fail...sadly, the courts will see a HUGE line between these two as well...of course, all in the best interest of the child. You know what, you may be right. The courts may say all of this stuff even if it is shown that the mother is passed out drunk when the kids get off school and that they really shouldn't be yanked from their mother during the tender years. But you know what that is preferable to? It is preferable to the courts not having to say that because you didn't bring it forward and the public being able to write this off as one-sided, typical selfish behavior. So bring it forward, gather all the evidence, and if the courts rule that way, post it all online along with their ruling. If you don't know how to post up recordings of video calls I'll help and I'm sure there are other people on this list who have the technical knowhow to do so. If you can't scan it, send it on to one of us and we'll do it. Scan it all, publish it all, and post it all, because if I am going to curse the darkness I'd like to leave an objective record that others can see. So Chris, if you have the records, post them on up and let the world decide.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I do agree with you John, I was simply stating what the courts will probably do... I've always wondered how the courts would treat a child dropping out of high school and then enrolling in a community college program to get a GED. Does anyone have any experience with that scenario and how it relates to the CS high school/age limits laws? My guess is that the GED would qualify as completion of high school. Better question is: What happens if the flunky drops out of high school and NEVER gets a GED? I can't say what the language is in every child support order, but in my husband's it is "age 19 or completion of high school, whichever comes first." If the order was modified after October 1997 there is a good chance that language has been modified to include the provisions of ORS 107.108, the adult child attending school law extending CS to age 21. The order was issued in 2001- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What state? Texas says the following: Child support must be paid until the child is 18 or finishes high school (if the child turns 18 before that), so long as the child is a full-time high school student--unless the child is disabled. Also, there was something about it being an "accredited school" and I believe that was changed this year...lovely...So in Texas at least, you pay until the kid decides to graduate...lovely...once again. So you could drop out until you were 18, then days before your 18th birthday decide to go back, and NCP would have to pay for you until you decided to finish school...since now it says it can be an accredited or non-accredited school, I wonder if the kid is over 21 and can no longer attend public school, if they can attend some other school and continue collecting...ah, the joys of CS... |
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Flunking for profit
We live in Ca--child in Oregon. The order is an Oregon order, via Ca.
"whatamess" wrote in message oups.com... On Jun 26, 4:36 pm, "teachrmama" wrote: "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message ... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message m... "whatamess" wrote in message roups.com... On Jun 25, 12:29 pm, John Meyer wrote: whatamess wrote: On Jun 25, 9:01 am, John Meyer wrote: Chris wrote: Just curious: How many times can a mother encourage her children to flunk in school in order to prolong the free income from "child support"? I don't know, but one thing's for certain, if you can get actual proof that she's doing this, I'd be down there at the court filing for a change of custody because of child abuse. Even if you get proof, I can assure you the courts will say that "it's in the best interest of the child" to continue to support him to ensure he gets at least a high school education... And also, there's a fine line between encouraging them to fail, and being so neglectful that they continue to fail...sadly, the courts will see a HUGE line between these two as well...of course, all in the best interest of the child. You know what, you may be right. The courts may say all of this stuff even if it is shown that the mother is passed out drunk when the kids get off school and that they really shouldn't be yanked from their mother during the tender years. But you know what that is preferable to? It is preferable to the courts not having to say that because you didn't bring it forward and the public being able to write this off as one-sided, typical selfish behavior. So bring it forward, gather all the evidence, and if the courts rule that way, post it all online along with their ruling. If you don't know how to post up recordings of video calls I'll help and I'm sure there are other people on this list who have the technical knowhow to do so. If you can't scan it, send it on to one of us and we'll do it. Scan it all, publish it all, and post it all, because if I am going to curse the darkness I'd like to leave an objective record that others can see. So Chris, if you have the records, post them on up and let the world decide.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I do agree with you John, I was simply stating what the courts will probably do... I've always wondered how the courts would treat a child dropping out of high school and then enrolling in a community college program to get a GED. Does anyone have any experience with that scenario and how it relates to the CS high school/age limits laws? My guess is that the GED would qualify as completion of high school. Better question is: What happens if the flunky drops out of high school and NEVER gets a GED? I can't say what the language is in every child support order, but in my husband's it is "age 19 or completion of high school, whichever comes first." If the order was modified after October 1997 there is a good chance that language has been modified to include the provisions of ORS 107.108, the adult child attending school law extending CS to age 21. The order was issued in 2001- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What state? Texas says the following: Child support must be paid until the child is 18 or finishes high school (if the child turns 18 before that), so long as the child is a full-time high school student--unless the child is disabled. Also, there was something about it being an "accredited school" and I believe that was changed this year...lovely...So in Texas at least, you pay until the kid decides to graduate...lovely...once again. So you could drop out until you were 18, then days before your 18th birthday decide to go back, and NCP would have to pay for you until you decided to finish school...since now it says it can be an accredited or non-accredited school, I wonder if the kid is over 21 and can no longer attend public school, if they can attend some other school and continue collecting...ah, the joys of CS... |
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"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message ... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message ... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "whatamess" wrote in message ups.com... On Jun 25, 12:29 pm, John Meyer wrote: whatamess wrote: On Jun 25, 9:01 am, John Meyer wrote: Chris wrote: Just curious: How many times can a mother encourage her children to flunk in school in order to prolong the free income from "child support"? I don't know, but one thing's for certain, if you can get actual proof that she's doing this, I'd be down there at the court filing for a change of custody because of child abuse. Even if you get proof, I can assure you the courts will say that "it's in the best interest of the child" to continue to support him to ensure he gets at least a high school education... And also, there's a fine line between encouraging them to fail, and being so neglectful that they continue to fail...sadly, the courts will see a HUGE line between these two as well...of course, all in the best interest of the child. You know what, you may be right. The courts may say all of this stuff even if it is shown that the mother is passed out drunk when the kids get off school and that they really shouldn't be yanked from their mother during the tender years. But you know what that is preferable to? It is preferable to the courts not having to say that because you didn't bring it forward and the public being able to write this off as one-sided, typical selfish behavior. So bring it forward, gather all the evidence, and if the courts rule that way, post it all online along with their ruling. If you don't know how to post up recordings of video calls I'll help and I'm sure there are other people on this list who have the technical knowhow to do so. If you can't scan it, send it on to one of us and we'll do it. Scan it all, publish it all, and post it all, because if I am going to curse the darkness I'd like to leave an objective record that others can see. So Chris, if you have the records, post them on up and let the world decide.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I do agree with you John, I was simply stating what the courts will probably do... I've always wondered how the courts would treat a child dropping out of high school and then enrolling in a community college program to get a GED. Does anyone have any experience with that scenario and how it relates to the CS high school/age limits laws? My guess is that the GED would qualify as completion of high school. Better question is: What happens if the flunky drops out of high school and NEVER gets a GED? I can't say what the language is in every child support order, but in my husband's it is "age 19 or completion of high school, whichever comes first." If the order was modified after October 1997 there is a good chance that language has been modified to include the provisions of ORS 107.108, the adult child attending school law extending CS to age 21. The order was issued in 2001 Then it should contain the post-1997 child attending school enforcement language. What I meant to type was the idea an Oregon order entered or modified after October 1997 should include the "current enforcement language" provisions of ORS 107.108. Extending CS to age 21 has been a function of law in Oregon since 1973. A quick way to check this out is to look at the "obligation limit" or other language on the money judgment about support duration. But she would have to be going to school, right? We expect her to graduate this next year, but she will probably opt to not attend college. So if she chooses not to attend any sort of post high school education, then support ends at 19, as per the order, right? That would be in 10 months, including the month of her birthday. That's right on all accounts. But just in case, here is the Administrative Rule regarding post-secondary education support. This law changes a lot because of the disputes between judges, DOJ, and CS Administration over legislative intent and what the words in the law mean. A 2006 change allows CS to terminate and then be re-started prior to age 21 if the adult child decides later to attend school. http://dcs.state.or.us/oregon_admin_...s/055_5110.pdf If "child support" is a state issue, ordered by the state, and enforced by same, how can the federal government enforce it? Through international treaties, uniform interstate laws, and the fact they pay 2/3 of the states' cost of setting up CS programs in compliance with federal regulations. Which smacks of DOUBLE standards. If federal tax dollars are used to run the "child support" industry, then the standards should be the same in each state; but they're not. Same dollars ought to equal same standards. Typical government people mentality. In their minds, right seems wrong, and wrong seems right. What else is new.......... |
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"Chris" wrote in message ... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message ... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message ... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "whatamess" wrote in message ups.com... On Jun 25, 12:29 pm, John Meyer wrote: whatamess wrote: On Jun 25, 9:01 am, John Meyer wrote: Chris wrote: Just curious: How many times can a mother encourage her children to flunk in school in order to prolong the free income from "child support"? I don't know, but one thing's for certain, if you can get actual proof that she's doing this, I'd be down there at the court filing for a change of custody because of child abuse. Even if you get proof, I can assure you the courts will say that "it's in the best interest of the child" to continue to support him to ensure he gets at least a high school education... And also, there's a fine line between encouraging them to fail, and being so neglectful that they continue to fail...sadly, the courts will see a HUGE line between these two as well...of course, all in the best interest of the child. You know what, you may be right. The courts may say all of this stuff even if it is shown that the mother is passed out drunk when the kids get off school and that they really shouldn't be yanked from their mother during the tender years. But you know what that is preferable to? It is preferable to the courts not having to say that because you didn't bring it forward and the public being able to write this off as one-sided, typical selfish behavior. So bring it forward, gather all the evidence, and if the courts rule that way, post it all online along with their ruling. If you don't know how to post up recordings of video calls I'll help and I'm sure there are other people on this list who have the technical knowhow to do so. If you can't scan it, send it on to one of us and we'll do it. Scan it all, publish it all, and post it all, because if I am going to curse the darkness I'd like to leave an objective record that others can see. So Chris, if you have the records, post them on up and let the world decide.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I do agree with you John, I was simply stating what the courts will probably do... I've always wondered how the courts would treat a child dropping out of high school and then enrolling in a community college program to get a GED. Does anyone have any experience with that scenario and how it relates to the CS high school/age limits laws? My guess is that the GED would qualify as completion of high school. Better question is: What happens if the flunky drops out of high school and NEVER gets a GED? I can't say what the language is in every child support order, but in my husband's it is "age 19 or completion of high school, whichever comes first." If the order was modified after October 1997 there is a good chance that language has been modified to include the provisions of ORS 107.108, the adult child attending school law extending CS to age 21. The order was issued in 2001 Then it should contain the post-1997 child attending school enforcement language. What I meant to type was the idea an Oregon order entered or modified after October 1997 should include the "current enforcement language" provisions of ORS 107.108. Extending CS to age 21 has been a function of law in Oregon since 1973. A quick way to check this out is to look at the "obligation limit" or other language on the money judgment about support duration. But she would have to be going to school, right? We expect her to graduate this next year, but she will probably opt to not attend college. So if she chooses not to attend any sort of post high school education, then support ends at 19, as per the order, right? That would be in 10 months, including the month of her birthday. That's right on all accounts. But just in case, here is the Administrative Rule regarding post-secondary education support. This law changes a lot because of the disputes between judges, DOJ, and CS Administration over legislative intent and what the words in the law mean. A 2006 change allows CS to terminate and then be re-started prior to age 21 if the adult child decides later to attend school. http://dcs.state.or.us/oregon_admin_...s/055_5110.pdf If "child support" is a state issue, ordered by the state, and enforced by same, how can the federal government enforce it? Through international treaties, uniform interstate laws, and the fact they pay 2/3 of the states' cost of setting up CS programs in compliance with federal regulations. Which smacks of DOUBLE standards. If federal tax dollars are used to run the "child support" industry, then the standards should be the same in each state; but they're not. Same dollars ought to equal same standards. Typical government people mentality. In their minds, right seems wrong, and wrong seems right. What else is new.......... The federal standards for CS program operation are detailed in 45 CFR 303. They are the same for every state. |
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On 27 jun, 03:42, "Chris" wrote:
"teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message ... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message m... "whatamess" wrote in message roups.com... On Jun 25, 12:29 pm, John Meyer wrote: whatamess wrote: On Jun 25, 9:01 am, John Meyer wrote: Chris wrote: Just curious: How many times can a mother encourage her children to flunk in school in order to prolong the free income from "child support"? I don't know, but one thing's for certain, if you can get actual proof that she's doing this, I'd be down there at the court filing for a change of custody because of child abuse. Even if you get proof, I can assure you the courts will say that "it's in the best interest of the child" to continue to support him to ensure he gets at least a high school education... And also, there's a fine line between encouraging them to fail, and being so neglectful that they continue to fail...sadly, the courts will see a HUGE line between these two as well...of course, all in the best interest of the child. You know what, you may be right. The courts may say all of this stuff even if it is shown that the mother is passed out drunk when the kids get off school and that they really shouldn't be yanked from their mother during the tender years. But you know what that is preferable to? It is preferable to the courts not having to say that because you didn't bring it forward and the public being able to write this off as one-sided, typical selfish behavior. So bring it forward, gather all the evidence, and if the courts rule that way, post it all online along with their ruling. If you don't know how to post up recordings of video calls I'll help and I'm sure there are other people on this list who have the technical knowhow to do so. If you can't scan it, send it on to one of us and we'll do it. Scan it all, publish it all, and post it all, because if I am going to curse the darkness I'd like to leave an objective record that others can see. So Chris, if you have the records, post them on up and let the world decide.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I do agree with you John, I was simply stating what the courts will probably do... I've always wondered how the courts would treat a child dropping out of high school and then enrolling in a community college program to get a GED. Does anyone have any experience with that scenario and how it relates to the CS high school/age limits laws? My guess is that the GED would qualify as completion of high school. Better question is: What happens if the flunky drops out of high school and NEVER gets a GED? I can't say what the language is in every child support order, but in my husband's it is "age 19 or completion of high school, whichever comes first." I've seen it written "age 18 or completion of high school, whichever comes LAST." Gee, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize which of the two causes the poor schmuck to get screwed far worse. Not to mention, since there is no way to know whether or not they have graduated from high school, the payments could continue indefinitely! At least in your case, you know for certain the date when you can stop paying. - Ocultar texto de la cita - - Mostrar texto de la cita -- Ocultar texto de la cita - - Mostrar texto de la cita - Ah yes Chris...the lovely state of Texas...which as we stand, we know that she started 5th grade (for the second time) at age 12... We still have no idea if she passed this year or failed again...She took summer school last year, and failed that too... So, let's see...if she passed, and provided she doesn't fail again and stays in school, that would mean we stop paying 3 months short of her 20th birthday...if she failed...we stop 3 months short of her 21st...Now, if she decides to quit at 15...and then sit on her behind for 2 years...so she returns at 18 to school...I guess we pay until she finishes? Because it no longer needs to be an accredited school (ie. public school is through age 21 I believe), so she could go anywhere, and we could be paying until she decides to graduate...And yes, we are still hoping we will KNOW when she graduates...lovely. I would think that when she fails and CS stops, if she hasn't finished High School, her mother will attempt to send her to live with us to finish, without paying CS...but no, we won't tolerate it. |
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"whatamess" wrote in message ups.com... On 27 jun, 03:42, "Chris" wrote: "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message ... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message m... "whatamess" wrote in message roups.com... On Jun 25, 12:29 pm, John Meyer wrote: whatamess wrote: On Jun 25, 9:01 am, John Meyer wrote: Chris wrote: Just curious: How many times can a mother encourage her children to flunk in school in order to prolong the free income from "child support"? I don't know, but one thing's for certain, if you can get actual proof that she's doing this, I'd be down there at the court filing for a change of custody because of child abuse. Even if you get proof, I can assure you the courts will say that "it's in the best interest of the child" to continue to support him to ensure he gets at least a high school education... And also, there's a fine line between encouraging them to fail, and being so neglectful that they continue to fail...sadly, the courts will see a HUGE line between these two as well...of course, all in the best interest of the child. You know what, you may be right. The courts may say all of this stuff even if it is shown that the mother is passed out drunk when the kids get off school and that they really shouldn't be yanked from their mother during the tender years. But you know what that is preferable to? It is preferable to the courts not having to say that because you didn't bring it forward and the public being able to write this off as one-sided, typical selfish behavior. So bring it forward, gather all the evidence, and if the courts rule that way, post it all online along with their ruling. If you don't know how to post up recordings of video calls I'll help and I'm sure there are other people on this list who have the technical knowhow to do so. If you can't scan it, send it on to one of us and we'll do it. Scan it all, publish it all, and post it all, because if I am going to curse the darkness I'd like to leave an objective record that others can see. So Chris, if you have the records, post them on up and let the world decide.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I do agree with you John, I was simply stating what the courts will probably do... I've always wondered how the courts would treat a child dropping out of high school and then enrolling in a community college program to get a GED. Does anyone have any experience with that scenario and how it relates to the CS high school/age limits laws? My guess is that the GED would qualify as completion of high school. Better question is: What happens if the flunky drops out of high school and NEVER gets a GED? I can't say what the language is in every child support order, but in my husband's it is "age 19 or completion of high school, whichever comes first." I've seen it written "age 18 or completion of high school, whichever comes LAST." Gee, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize which of the two causes the poor schmuck to get screwed far worse. Not to mention, since there is no way to know whether or not they have graduated from high school, the payments could continue indefinitely! At least in your case, you know for certain the date when you can stop paying. - Ocultar texto de la cita - - Mostrar texto de la cita -- Ocultar texto de la cita - - Mostrar texto de la cita - Ah yes Chris...the lovely state of Texas...which as we stand, we know that she started 5th grade (for the second time) at age 12... We still have no idea if she passed this year or failed again...She took summer school last year, and failed that too... So, let's see...if she passed, and provided she doesn't fail again and stays in school, that would mean we stop paying 3 months short of her 20th birthday...if she failed...we stop 3 months short of her 21st...Now, if she decides to quit at 15...and then sit on her behind for 2 years...so she returns at 18 to school...I guess we pay until she finishes? Because it no longer needs to be an accredited school (ie. public school is through age 21 I believe), so she could go anywhere, and we could be paying until she decides to graduate...And yes, we are still hoping we will KNOW when she graduates...lovely. I would think that when she fails and CS stops, if she hasn't finished High School, her mother will attempt to send her to live with us to finish, without paying CS...but no, we won't tolerate it. Is this just speculation on your part (of which I have done my share, believe me), or have you spoken to a lawyer about all of this. I cna't imagine that any state would consider keeping a person on "child support" until they were 50! |
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"teachrmama" wrote in message ... "whatamess" wrote in message ups.com... On 27 jun, 03:42, "Chris" wrote: "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message ... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message m... "whatamess" wrote in message roups.com... On Jun 25, 12:29 pm, John Meyer wrote: whatamess wrote: On Jun 25, 9:01 am, John Meyer wrote: Chris wrote: Just curious: How many times can a mother encourage her children to flunk in school in order to prolong the free income from "child support"? I don't know, but one thing's for certain, if you can get actual proof that she's doing this, I'd be down there at the court filing for a change of custody because of child abuse. Even if you get proof, I can assure you the courts will say that "it's in the best interest of the child" to continue to support him to ensure he gets at least a high school education... And also, there's a fine line between encouraging them to fail, and being so neglectful that they continue to fail...sadly, the courts will see a HUGE line between these two as well...of course, all in the best interest of the child. You know what, you may be right. The courts may say all of this stuff even if it is shown that the mother is passed out drunk when the kids get off school and that they really shouldn't be yanked from their mother during the tender years. But you know what that is preferable to? It is preferable to the courts not having to say that because you didn't bring it forward and the public being able to write this off as one-sided, typical selfish behavior. So bring it forward, gather all the evidence, and if the courts rule that way, post it all online along with their ruling. If you don't know how to post up recordings of video calls I'll help and I'm sure there are other people on this list who have the technical knowhow to do so. If you can't scan it, send it on to one of us and we'll do it. Scan it all, publish it all, and post it all, because if I am going to curse the darkness I'd like to leave an objective record that others can see. So Chris, if you have the records, post them on up and let the world decide.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I do agree with you John, I was simply stating what the courts will probably do... I've always wondered how the courts would treat a child dropping out of high school and then enrolling in a community college program to get a GED. Does anyone have any experience with that scenario and how it relates to the CS high school/age limits laws? My guess is that the GED would qualify as completion of high school. Better question is: What happens if the flunky drops out of high school and NEVER gets a GED? I can't say what the language is in every child support order, but in my husband's it is "age 19 or completion of high school, whichever comes first." I've seen it written "age 18 or completion of high school, whichever comes LAST." Gee, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize which of the two causes the poor schmuck to get screwed far worse. Not to mention, since there is no way to know whether or not they have graduated from high school, the payments could continue indefinitely! At least in your case, you know for certain the date when you can stop paying. - Ocultar texto de la cita - - Mostrar texto de la cita -- Ocultar texto de la cita - - Mostrar texto de la cita - Ah yes Chris...the lovely state of Texas...which as we stand, we know that she started 5th grade (for the second time) at age 12... We still have no idea if she passed this year or failed again...She took summer school last year, and failed that too... So, let's see...if she passed, and provided she doesn't fail again and stays in school, that would mean we stop paying 3 months short of her 20th birthday...if she failed...we stop 3 months short of her 21st...Now, if she decides to quit at 15...and then sit on her behind for 2 years...so she returns at 18 to school...I guess we pay until she finishes? Because it no longer needs to be an accredited school (ie. public school is through age 21 I believe), so she could go anywhere, and we could be paying until she decides to graduate...And yes, we are still hoping we will KNOW when she graduates...lovely. I would think that when she fails and CS stops, if she hasn't finished High School, her mother will attempt to send her to live with us to finish, without paying CS...but no, we won't tolerate it. Is this just speculation on your part (of which I have done my share, believe me), or have you spoken to a lawyer about all of this. I cna't imagine that any state would consider keeping a person on "child support" until they were 50! Actually, people have been forced to pay for a 50 year old "child". |
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"Chris" wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "whatamess" wrote in message ups.com... On 27 jun, 03:42, "Chris" wrote: "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message ... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message m... "whatamess" wrote in message roups.com... On Jun 25, 12:29 pm, John Meyer wrote: whatamess wrote: On Jun 25, 9:01 am, John Meyer wrote: Chris wrote: Just curious: How many times can a mother encourage her children to flunk in school in order to prolong the free income from "child support"? I don't know, but one thing's for certain, if you can get actual proof that she's doing this, I'd be down there at the court filing for a change of custody because of child abuse. Even if you get proof, I can assure you the courts will say that "it's in the best interest of the child" to continue to support him to ensure he gets at least a high school education... And also, there's a fine line between encouraging them to fail, and being so neglectful that they continue to fail...sadly, the courts will see a HUGE line between these two as well...of course, all in the best interest of the child. You know what, you may be right. The courts may say all of this stuff even if it is shown that the mother is passed out drunk when the kids get off school and that they really shouldn't be yanked from their mother during the tender years. But you know what that is preferable to? It is preferable to the courts not having to say that because you didn't bring it forward and the public being able to write this off as one-sided, typical selfish behavior. So bring it forward, gather all the evidence, and if the courts rule that way, post it all online along with their ruling. If you don't know how to post up recordings of video calls I'll help and I'm sure there are other people on this list who have the technical knowhow to do so. If you can't scan it, send it on to one of us and we'll do it. Scan it all, publish it all, and post it all, because if I am going to curse the darkness I'd like to leave an objective record that others can see. So Chris, if you have the records, post them on up and let the world decide.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I do agree with you John, I was simply stating what the courts will probably do... I've always wondered how the courts would treat a child dropping out of high school and then enrolling in a community college program to get a GED. Does anyone have any experience with that scenario and how it relates to the CS high school/age limits laws? My guess is that the GED would qualify as completion of high school. Better question is: What happens if the flunky drops out of high school and NEVER gets a GED? I can't say what the language is in every child support order, but in my husband's it is "age 19 or completion of high school, whichever comes first." I've seen it written "age 18 or completion of high school, whichever comes LAST." Gee, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize which of the two causes the poor schmuck to get screwed far worse. Not to mention, since there is no way to know whether or not they have graduated from high school, the payments could continue indefinitely! At least in your case, you know for certain the date when you can stop paying. - Ocultar texto de la cita - - Mostrar texto de la cita -- Ocultar texto de la cita - - Mostrar texto de la cita - Ah yes Chris...the lovely state of Texas...which as we stand, we know that she started 5th grade (for the second time) at age 12... We still have no idea if she passed this year or failed again...She took summer school last year, and failed that too... So, let's see...if she passed, and provided she doesn't fail again and stays in school, that would mean we stop paying 3 months short of her 20th birthday...if she failed...we stop 3 months short of her 21st...Now, if she decides to quit at 15...and then sit on her behind for 2 years...so she returns at 18 to school...I guess we pay until she finishes? Because it no longer needs to be an accredited school (ie. public school is through age 21 I believe), so she could go anywhere, and we could be paying until she decides to graduate...And yes, we are still hoping we will KNOW when she graduates...lovely. I would think that when she fails and CS stops, if she hasn't finished High School, her mother will attempt to send her to live with us to finish, without paying CS...but no, we won't tolerate it. Is this just speculation on your part (of which I have done my share, believe me), or have you spoken to a lawyer about all of this. I cna't imagine that any state would consider keeping a person on "child support" until they were 50! Actually, people have been forced to pay for a 50 year old "child". Are you referring to a disabled child? |
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On 29 jun, 14:55, "teachrmama" wrote:
"whatamess" wrote in message ups.com... On 27 jun, 03:42, "Chris" wrote: "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message ... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message m... "whatamess" wrote in message roups.com... On Jun 25, 12:29 pm, John Meyer wrote: whatamess wrote: On Jun 25, 9:01 am, John Meyer wrote: Chris wrote: Just curious: How many times can a mother encourage her children to flunk in school in order to prolong the free income from "child support"? I don't know, but one thing's for certain, if you can get actual proof that she's doing this, I'd be down there at the court filing for a change of custody because of child abuse. Even if you get proof, I can assure you the courts will say that "it's in the best interest of the child" to continue to support him to ensure he gets at least a high school education... And also, there's a fine line between encouraging them to fail, and being so neglectful that they continue to fail...sadly, the courts will see a HUGE line between these two as well...of course, all in the best interest of the child. You know what, you may be right. The courts may say all of this stuff even if it is shown that the mother is passed out drunk when the kids get off school and that they really shouldn't be yanked from their mother during the tender years. But you know what that is preferable to? It is preferable to the courts not having to say that because you didn't bring it forward and the public being able to write this off as one-sided, typical selfish behavior. So bring it forward, gather all the evidence, and if the courts rule that way, post it all online along with their ruling. If you don't know how to post up recordings of video calls I'll help and I'm sure there are other people on this list who have the technical knowhow to do so. If you can't scan it, send it on to one of us and we'll do it. Scan it all, publish it all, and post it all, because if I am going to curse the darkness I'd like to leave an objective record that others can see. So Chris, if you have the records, post them on up and let the world decide.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I do agree with you John, I was simply stating what the courts will probably do... I've always wondered how the courts would treat a child dropping out of high school and then enrolling in a community college program to get a GED. Does anyone have any experience with that scenario and how it relates to the CS high school/age limits laws? My guess is that the GED would qualify as completion of high school. Better question is: What happens if the flunky drops out of high school and NEVER gets a GED? I can't say what the language is in every child support order, but in my husband's it is "age 19 or completion of high school, whichever comes first." I've seen it written "age 18 or completion of high school, whichever comes LAST." Gee, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize which of the two causes the poor schmuck to get screwed far worse. Not to mention, since there is no way to know whether or not they have graduated from high school, the payments could continue indefinitely! At least in your case, you know for certain the date when you can stop paying. - Ocultar texto de la cita - - Mostrar texto de la cita -- Ocultar texto de la cita - - Mostrar texto de la cita - Ah yes Chris...the lovely state of Texas...which as we stand, we know that she started 5th grade (for the second time) at age 12... We still have no idea if she passed this year or failed again...She took summer school last year, and failed that too... So, let's see...if she passed, and provided she doesn't fail again and stays in school, that would mean we stop paying 3 months short of her 20th birthday...if she failed...we stop 3 months short of her 21st...Now, if she decides to quit at 15...and then sit on her behind for 2 years...so she returns at 18 to school...I guess we pay until she finishes? Because it no longer needs to be an accredited school (ie. public school is through age 21 I believe), so she could go anywhere, and we could be paying until she decides to graduate...And yes, we are still hoping we will KNOW when she graduates...lovely. I would think that when she fails and CS stops, if she hasn't finished High School, her mother will attempt to send her to live with us to finish, without paying CS...but no, we won't tolerate it. Is this just speculation on your part (of which I have done my share, believe me), or have you spoken to a lawyer about all of this. I cna't imagine that any state would consider keeping a person on "child support" until they were 50! - Ocultar texto de la cita - - Mostrar texto de la cita -- Ocultar texto de la cita - - Mostrar texto de la cita - Well, the law does not say until X years, it says 18 or until they finish high school, whichever is later...period. It might be speculation on my part, but unless the law says no later than age 20 or other, I would think they could do as they please... |
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Flunking for profit
"whatamess" wrote in message ups.com... On 29 jun, 14:55, "teachrmama" wrote: "whatamess" wrote in message ups.com... On 27 jun, 03:42, "Chris" wrote: "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message ... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message m... "whatamess" wrote in message roups.com... On Jun 25, 12:29 pm, John Meyer wrote: whatamess wrote: On Jun 25, 9:01 am, John Meyer wrote: Chris wrote: Just curious: How many times can a mother encourage her children to flunk in school in order to prolong the free income from "child support"? I don't know, but one thing's for certain, if you can get actual proof that she's doing this, I'd be down there at the court filing for a change of custody because of child abuse. Even if you get proof, I can assure you the courts will say that "it's in the best interest of the child" to continue to support him to ensure he gets at least a high school education... And also, there's a fine line between encouraging them to fail, and being so neglectful that they continue to fail...sadly, the courts will see a HUGE line between these two as well...of course, all in the best interest of the child. You know what, you may be right. The courts may say all of this stuff even if it is shown that the mother is passed out drunk when the kids get off school and that they really shouldn't be yanked from their mother during the tender years. But you know what that is preferable to? It is preferable to the courts not having to say that because you didn't bring it forward and the public being able to write this off as one-sided, typical selfish behavior. So bring it forward, gather all the evidence, and if the courts rule that way, post it all online along with their ruling. If you don't know how to post up recordings of video calls I'll help and I'm sure there are other people on this list who have the technical knowhow to do so. If you can't scan it, send it on to one of us and we'll do it. Scan it all, publish it all, and post it all, because if I am going to curse the darkness I'd like to leave an objective record that others can see. So Chris, if you have the records, post them on up and let the world decide.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I do agree with you John, I was simply stating what the courts will probably do... I've always wondered how the courts would treat a child dropping out of high school and then enrolling in a community college program to get a GED. Does anyone have any experience with that scenario and how it relates to the CS high school/age limits laws? My guess is that the GED would qualify as completion of high school. Better question is: What happens if the flunky drops out of high school and NEVER gets a GED? I can't say what the language is in every child support order, but in my husband's it is "age 19 or completion of high school, whichever comes first." I've seen it written "age 18 or completion of high school, whichever comes LAST." Gee, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize which of the two causes the poor schmuck to get screwed far worse. Not to mention, since there is no way to know whether or not they have graduated from high school, the payments could continue indefinitely! At least in your case, you know for certain the date when you can stop paying. - Ocultar texto de la cita - - Mostrar texto de la cita -- Ocultar texto de la cita - - Mostrar texto de la cita - Ah yes Chris...the lovely state of Texas...which as we stand, we know that she started 5th grade (for the second time) at age 12... We still have no idea if she passed this year or failed again...She took summer school last year, and failed that too... So, let's see...if she passed, and provided she doesn't fail again and stays in school, that would mean we stop paying 3 months short of her 20th birthday...if she failed...we stop 3 months short of her 21st...Now, if she decides to quit at 15...and then sit on her behind for 2 years...so she returns at 18 to school...I guess we pay until she finishes? Because it no longer needs to be an accredited school (ie. public school is through age 21 I believe), so she could go anywhere, and we could be paying until she decides to graduate...And yes, we are still hoping we will KNOW when she graduates...lovely. I would think that when she fails and CS stops, if she hasn't finished High School, her mother will attempt to send her to live with us to finish, without paying CS...but no, we won't tolerate it. Is this just speculation on your part (of which I have done my share, believe me), or have you spoken to a lawyer about all of this. I cna't imagine that any state would consider keeping a person on "child support" until they were 50! - Ocultar texto de la cita - - Mostrar texto de la cita -- Ocultar texto de la cita - - Mostrar texto de la cita - Well, the law does not say until X years, it says 18 or until they finish high school, whichever is later...period. It might be speculation on my part, but unless the law says no later than age 20 or other, I would think they could do as they please... My situation is very similar to yours, so I understand what you are going through. Being at the mercy of a bureaucracy that wants nothing more than to make itself look good so it can keep the gravy train rolling is unnerving to say the least. I will be retiring far later than I would have thought I would, do to this issue. And my children will have to pay for far more of their own college than is fair, because they are "irrelevant." I would still suggest consulting with a lawyer to find out the facts before assuming that disaster is neverending. At leat then you will know for sure one way or another. Which has got to be better than the uncertainty you're living with now. Good luck! |
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