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Grandma was right
"I'm still waiting for anyone to take up my long offered
challenge...find me some violent criminals that were not spanked or otherwise subjected to pain based parenting." I also have been stymied finding civilizations not corrupted by the violence and oppression subjected on them during the subjugation process. Nietzsche pointed out how the "Christians" came along and "civilized" the free manly tribesmen by forcing them to do (women's work) a slavery based on agriculture. While free, the tribesmen were never beaten or oppressed by the exploiters. They never had to perform slave drudgery such as tilling the soil for their roman and feudal "overlords." Instead, the performed such manly (free) activities as hunting the wild boar and the wild stag. They fought off other tribesmen, or went on maurauding expeditions themselves. They had no overpopulation problem. Did not have to suffer through torture (school, religion, tilling the soil), and generally did not have an excess of food, or an excess of babies during the winter. Thomas Hobbes was unimpressed with the "free" condition of those early times, their high mortality rate, the starvation every winter. (No wonder the women started planting gardens.) Hobbes described the idyllic days of yo "No arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short." We need to face up to the horrible oppression and exploitation humanity has suffered from the two nemeses of our innocence. Civiliation (ie, Christianity), and second, parents. Rousseau zeroed in on the corrupting influence of PARENTS. They bring children into the world through biology. (And as if that is not enough), they proceed, by dint of superior FORCE, to impose their mores, their linguistic biases, their cultural biases, their values (thus exploiting and oppressing defenseless children), infecting children with their thought patterns, their mind set, their group think, their prejudice. And the method used is inherently corrupt. How can it not be called VIOLENCE. Parenthood, like Civilization, is ipso facto bullying, violent, and coercive. The child has no choice. |
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Grandma was right
I have heard that non white people tend to have higher levels of
credence and faith, a more basic attitude toward family values, lower rates of abortion that whites. I have also heard that, statistics wise, the white race shows higher levels of weird "perversions" among the more educated elite males, and that among undisciplined, often pampered white youth, there has been an upsurge in such criminality as the Columbine "flip out." Being more enlightened, white EXPERTS quickly found a range of scapegoats to blame. But they never blamed the pampered, materialist, permissive upbringing those boys got. Is it true that white folks no longer insist on obediance from their youth? The Columbine boys were merely "disturbed." So what was their infatuation with Goth Deth Dungeons and Dragons, and finally, mass murder. At least they were never spanked. Oh no. Their parents were too enlightened for that. (And these "smart" whites look down on other folks as being backward, ignorant, old-fashioned?) |
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Grandma was right
The "solution" is to get rid of the parents! Doan On 28 Oct 2005, robin wrote: "I'm still waiting for anyone to take up my long offered challenge...find me some violent criminals that were not spanked or otherwise subjected to pain based parenting." I also have been stymied finding civilizations not corrupted by the violence and oppression subjected on them during the subjugation process. Nietzsche pointed out how the "Christians" came along and "civilized" the free manly tribesmen by forcing them to do (women's work) a slavery based on agriculture. While free, the tribesmen were never beaten or oppressed by the exploiters. They never had to perform slave drudgery such as tilling the soil for their roman and feudal "overlords." Instead, the performed such manly (free) activities as hunting the wild boar and the wild stag. They fought off other tribesmen, or went on maurauding expeditions themselves. They had no overpopulation problem. Did not have to suffer through torture (school, religion, tilling the soil), and generally did not have an excess of food, or an excess of babies during the winter. Thomas Hobbes was unimpressed with the "free" condition of those early times, their high mortality rate, the starvation every winter. (No wonder the women started planting gardens.) Hobbes described the idyllic days of yo "No arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short." We need to face up to the horrible oppression and exploitation humanity has suffered from the two nemeses of our innocence. Civiliation (ie, Christianity), and second, parents. Rousseau zeroed in on the corrupting influence of PARENTS. They bring children into the world through biology. (And as if that is not enough), they proceed, by dint of superior FORCE, to impose their mores, their linguistic biases, their cultural biases, their values (thus exploiting and oppressing defenseless children), infecting children with their thought patterns, their mind set, their group think, their prejudice. And the method used is inherently corrupt. How can it not be called VIOLENCE. Parenthood, like Civilization, is ipso facto bullying, violent, and coercive. The child has no choice. |
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Questions for Robin: ...was Grandma was right
Let me assure you, Robin. Youth mental health issues know no racial
boundaries. Interest in "Goth Deth Dungeons and Dragons" is not an indicator of mental health or being "disturbed." "Mass murder" is not the inevitable outcome of "Goth Deth Dungeons and Dragons" interest and involvement. And why would you ask whether it is true that "white folks no longer insist on obediance from their youth?" Does black youth gang involvement and murder provoke the question "Is it true that black folks no longer insist on obedience from their youth?" This is incredibly racist thinking. And how to you know, as you claim that the Columbine boys were never spanked? And how do you explain the fact that the vast majority of youth involvement in the juvenile justice system, regardless of race, experienced corporal punishment at the hands of their parents, including spanking? LaVonne robin wrote: I have heard that non white people tend to have higher levels of credence and faith, a more basic attitude toward family values, lower rates of abortion that whites. I have also heard that, statistics wise, the white race shows higher levels of weird "perversions" among the more educated elite males, and that among undisciplined, often pampered white youth, there has been an upsurge in such criminality as the Columbine "flip out." Being more enlightened, white EXPERTS quickly found a range of scapegoats to blame. But they never blamed the pampered, materialist, permissive upbringing those boys got. Is it true that white folks no longer insist on obediance from their youth? The Columbine boys were merely "disturbed." So what was their infatuation with Goth Deth Dungeons and Dragons, and finally, mass murder. At least they were never spanked. Oh no. Their parents were too enlightened for that. (And these "smart" whites look down on other folks as being backward, ignorant, old-fashioned?) |
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