Need advice ASAP (BF & Antiobitics & C-section complication)

Hi, I posted this in alt.support.breastfeeding but no reply...I think I had
these groups mixed up. I used to post in this one years ago but haven't been
since my kids stopped BFing 3 years ago. I hope someone here can help...

My SIL had an emergency c-section after 24 hours in labor and everything was
fine for
a week, BFing was coming along. She was working with an LC from the hospital
and using shields (I think) They said the baby didn't have her tongue
organized yet.

Yesterday her incision burst due to fluids built up ( i may have this all
confused) but she is upset, had to be hospitalized, will be on antibiotics
and healing for a long time.

She said the antibiotic recommended has been approved for use while BFing
but she is
worried about the side affects to baby such as diarreah. She is very sad
about having to pump & dump and give formula. I suggested that if the
antibiotic is approved but she is nervous about it to at least nurse in the
morning and at bedtime then suplement with formula during the day.

Anyone have advice about this kind of c-section complication or what she can
do? she really wants to BF and wants to do what is best for baby (Baby is
about
1 week old tomorrow)

I will see her tomorrow and wanted to have some encouraging information for
her.
thanks

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it's true that the antibiotics may have side effects in the baby, but
it's a case of looking at options. It sounds like not having antibiotics
for the mum isn't an option, so you have to compare breastfeeding,
versus pumping, dumping and giving formula, plus, you've got to factor
in the fact that giving formula now might have an effect on later
breastfeeding (nipple confusion, exclusivity destroyed, etc.). To me it
would come out massively in favour of continuing to breastfeed,
particularly as pumping is likely to be uncomfortable/tricky with such a
problem.

Anne

"Anne Rogers" wrote in message
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it's true that the antibiotics may have side effects in the baby, but it's
a case of looking at options. It sounds like not having antibiotics for
the mum isn't an option, so you have to compare breastfeeding, versus
pumping, dumping and giving formula, plus, you've got to factor in the
fact that giving formula now might have an effect on later breastfeeding
(nipple confusion, exclusivity destroyed, etc.). To me it would come out
massively in favour of continuing to breastfeed, particularly as pumping
is likely to be uncomfortable/tricky with such a problem.

Anne

Thanks for your input. The mom wants to BF and sounded upset when she told
me she would have to give formula. I think she is worried about nipple
confusion but so far the baby has gone from bottle to breast and back with
no prob. I hope this doesn't screw it all up for them. I told them to do
more research on the antibiotic before deciding.

nanner wrote:

She said the antibiotic recommended has been approved for use while BFing
but she is
worried about the side affects to baby such as diarreah. She is very sad
about having to pump & dump and give formula.

It's possible the antibiotics might have side-effects, but it's also
possible (and I would suspect more likely) that the *formula* might have
side-effects. It's hard to say without knowing which antibiotic it is,
but the amounts of antibiotic that get into the breastmilk tend to be
pretty small traces. Given a choice between breastmilk with traces of
antibiotic in it and formula, I'd be inclined to go for the breastmilk -
especially since, as Anne points out, giving formula now could well
scupper the breastfeeding and thus the choice is quite likely to be
between slightly-less-than-optimum breastmilk for a short period
followed by normal breastmilk for a long period, or no breastmilk long-term.


All the best,

Sarah
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"Sarah Vaughan" wrote in message
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nanner wrote:

She said the antibiotic recommended has been approved for use while
BFing
but she is
worried about the side affects to baby such as diarreah. She is very sad
about having to pump & dump and give formula.

It's possible the antibiotics might have side-effects, but it's also
possible (and I would suspect more likely) that the *formula* might have
side-effects. It's hard to say without knowing which antibiotic it is,
but the amounts of antibiotic that get into the breastmilk tend to be
pretty small traces. Given a choice between breastmilk with traces of
antibiotic in it and formula, I'd be inclined to go for the breastmilk -
especially since, as Anne points out, giving formula now could well
scupper the breastfeeding and thus the choice is quite likely to be
between slightly-less-than-optimum breastmilk for a short period followed
by normal breastmilk for a long period, or no breastmilk long-term.


All the best,

Sarah
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Hi Sarah, thanks. I do agree with you but it is a sticky situation. I don't
want to make someone feel bad about a choice they make or "push" her. She is
going through alot and is upset as it is. I will be seeing her tomorrow
though and since it's been years since I was in the BF game I'm glad I can
ask some moms here.

The group seems alot less active these days.

The group seems alot less active these days.

it seems to be a more general usenet thing than this specific group,
there are a whole host of reasons behind it, one of the significant ones
seem to be increased tolerance of poor readability, one of the reasons I
use usenet is because I can set my client up to read it how I want to
read it, elsewhere it's message boards that can't be configured and have
no thread structure, so you completely loose the flow of the
conversation, but most people don't seem bothered with it, to the extent
that they don't set up things that can be read alternative ways to that
alternative, so a lot of people will refer to a yahoogroup as "this
site", when really it's "this list" because they are reading through the
yahoogroups website, not there own email client.

A lot of other places are moderated, or require you to log in and there
is someone, somewhere who is in charge, users can be removed etc. so
apparently people feel safer in a livejournal community than here -
apparently the livejournal breastfeeding community as over 2000 members,
I went to look at it, but couldn't follow anything. I have tried web
forums for stuff there isn't a newsgroup or yahoogroup for, but
ultimately I don't keep up with it as it's too time consuming.

Of the misc.kids heirachy this one slowed down first, then
misc.kids.pregnancy, though it's having a brief revival a the moment,
misc.kids seemed to be soldiering on for a while, but has been so
overwhelmed by spam that it's really died in the last 6 weeks or so.

Cheers
Anne

Cheers
Anne

Hi!

I had a Csection, luckily with no problems at all, so no advice on
that. the antibiotics, it's like Sarah said, formula milk also
has side-effects, which ones do you choose.

However, if she is worried about nipple-confusion, Tommy Tippee make a
bottle (available in all chemists and most supermarkets) with a
fantastic nipple that looks and feels almost like the real thing (only
not in colour lol). I used them on my little boy, because he couldn't
work out how to drink from a 'normal' bottle. If she gets them, the
baby should have no problems at all latching on once she is back from
hospital. The bottles are called 'closer to nature easyvent' and
really are fantastic (no, I don't work for Tommy Tippee lol!).

All the best!

-x-
Jolande

On Sep 6, 8:20 pm, "nanner" wrote:
Hi, I posted this in alt.support.breastfeeding but no reply...I think I had
these groups mixed up. I used to post in this one years ago but haven't been
since my kids stopped BFing 3 years ago. I hope someone here can help...

My SIL had an emergency c-section after 24 hours in labor and everything was
fine for
a week, BFing was coming along. She was working with an LC from the hospital
and using shields (I think) They said the baby didn't have her tongue
organized yet.

Yesterday her incision burst due to fluids built up ( i may have this all
confused) but she is upset, had to be hospitalized, will be on antibiotics
and healing for a long time.

She said the antibiotic recommended has been approved for use while BFing
but she is
worried about the side affects to baby such as diarreah. She is very sad
about having to pump & dump and give formula. I suggested that if the
antibiotic is approved but she is nervous about it to at least nurse in the
morning and at bedtime then suplement with formula during the day.

Anyone have advice about this kind of c-section complication or what she can
do? she really wants to BF and wants to do what is best for baby (Baby is
about
1 week old tomorrow)

I will see her tomorrow and wanted to have some encouraging information for
her.
thanks

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Jolande wrote:
Hi!

I had a Csection, luckily with no problems at all, so no advice on
that. the antibiotics, it's like Sarah said, formula milk also
has side-effects, which ones do you choose.

However, if she is worried about nipple-confusion, Tommy Tippee make a
bottle (available in all chemists and most supermarkets) with a
fantastic nipple that looks and feels almost like the real thing (only
not in colour lol). I used them on my little boy, because he couldn't
work out how to drink from a 'normal' bottle. If she gets them, the
baby should have no problems at all latching on once she is back from
hospital. The bottles are called 'closer to nature easyvent' and
really are fantastic (no, I don't work for Tommy Tippee lol!).

Another option is cup, spoon or dropper feeding. One of my friends had a
baby who refused, utterly refused, the breast for a week. So for a week the
mum and dad, and the midwives where she had her section, fed the baby with a
tiny flexible cup. And one day, after a week of that, her mum held her to
her breast and she took to it like a professional.

--
YoungBloke: 3 years, 94cm, 13kg and still BF

Do you know what the antibiotic is? I could look it up in my copy of Hales
(2004, but that should be ok for simple abx) and see what the likely
infant dose is. I think most of the doses are very significantly reduced
on a mg/kg basis - Erythromycin has a relative infant dose of 1.6% the
adult dose, for example.

hi, thanks. i have no clue how it's spelled so I apologize in advance of
butchering it LOL
She said "Sipro" I don't know what that is short for, does it mean anything
to you?


I did take antibiotics while nursing, and I dusted my nipples with
acidophilus powder before nursing - primarily to prevent thrush, but also
to counteract any diarrheal effects. I noticed no difference in output on
occasions that I forgot to dust.

I will let her know about this! thanks!

nanner wrote:
Do you know what the antibiotic is? I could look it up in my copy of Hales
(2004, but that should be ok for simple abx) and see what the likely
infant dose is. I think most of the doses are very significantly reduced
on a mg/kg basis - Erythromycin has a relative infant dose of 1.6% the
adult dose, for example.

hi, thanks. i have no clue how it's spelled so I apologize in advance of
butchering it LOL
She said "Sipro" I don't know what that is short for, does it mean anything
to you?

It's probably Cipro, it's approved by the AAP for breastfeeding mothers
and Hale seems to agree.

Cheers
Anne