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August 14th 04, 09:14 PM
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Colic defined (also: Flutist Michelle: net kook extraordinaire : )
COLIC DEFINED See below... FLUTIST MICHELLE: NET KOOK EXTRAORDINAIRE : ) See ACTUALLY MICHELLE, below... Michelle J. Haines (flutist) wrote (on misc.kids.breastfeeding): "It seems we've become infested with a Gastaldo-quality net-kook. I'm so thrilled." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain Tori M. replied: "...i was "thrilled" to think we could have another Todd.. grrr...Lol I have killfiled Todd a few times but I always remove him because people veply to him and then I wonder what else he said.. lol..." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain Larry McMahan replied: "Michelle!! This comparison is grossly unfair to Todd! It is certain that Todd is quite Quixotic, but he has used valid science in his posts to urge needed reforms in the birth process. his 30% closing of the birth canal..." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...utput= gplain Michelle replied: "Yeah. But, in another group a couple years ago, I was chatting with another newsgroup regular about her chosen career (she had recently graduated medical school and was planning on specializing in high- risk OBGYN). I mentioned her reading MKP to get some of the feeling for issues women had, and jokingly mentioned dodging Gastaldo. Six months or so later, he comes screaming into this newsgroup (rec.music.tori-amos), starting throwing around his excessive rants, and then started hassling Katy's teachers, insisting she was unfit tp practice medicine, because she basically had a reaction of "Who is THIS idiot?"...So, he still gets the net-kook crown. http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain ACTUALLY MICHELLE.... You were NOT "jokingly mentioning dodging Gastaldo." Kathryn J. Drennan MD was discussing "chiropracty"... She wrote: "Also, there's absolutely no evidence that I'm aware of that chiropracty is any more effective than good conventional medical therapy and physical therapy for back injuries...." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain [Assuming Kathryn meant by "back injuries" "acute low back problems" - common physical therapy modalities were found NOT to be effective in 1994 when a US Public Health Service-sponsored panel of mostly MDs found that spinal manipulation like that used by most DCs is effective in acute low back problems.] You replied to her: "...there's a guy who regularly posts to MKP that 'fetal skull squashing' could be eliminated if only chiropractors could act as baby catchers." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain Kathryn J. Drennan, MD replied: "fetal skull squashing" happens as the baby passes through the pelvic outlet and (to a much lesser extent) vagina. If the chirpractor can't change that, he can't prevent it, although it may be amusing to watch him try.....Also, what's so bad about fetal skull squashing...aside from epidural/subdural/brain bleeds which although bad, are very rare, and not necesarily due to skull squashing'." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain You replied: "See, now you're simply assuming that Todd Gastaldo has the ability to ... make sense...But generally, it's a rant about things like forceps, birth in the lithogamy position, and overlly medalicized birth. A few of his objections might make sense here and there if he weren't constantly spouting, 'MDs are lying and babies are dying!' and how chiropractors should be certified doctors, yadda, yadda, shut up already." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain Michelle, I've NEVER posted to MKP "that 'fetal skull squashing' could be eliminated if only chiropractors could act as baby catchers." Rather, I have indicated (repeatedly) that ANYONE - even and esp. pregnant women - can eliminate fetal skull squashing caused by MDs senselessly closing the birth canal - by simply not closing the birth canal. And BTW, chiros ARE certified doctors. One last matter Michelle... You told the MD you still hadn't "finished rolling [your] eyes" at your sister's statement that "her kids had colic because of birth trauma." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain COLIC DEFINED... "Crying is called 'Infantile colic' when such cries are numerous, paroxystic, difficult to comfort, and without an obvious cause." --Stagnara et al. [Arch Pediatr. 1997 Oct;4(10):959-66. PubMed abstract] "[i]n 2002, the cause of infant colic is still unknown." --Marsha L. Cirgin Ellett, RN, DNS [Gastroenterol Nurs. 2003 Mar-Apr;26(2):60-5. PubMed abstract] I suspect that MANY cases of "colic"/inconsolable crying may be due to MDs causing terrible neck pain by closing birth canals and violently pushing on tiny spines (with oxytocin and Cytotec) and gruesomely pulling (with hands forceps and vaccums)... I'm just guessing that birth trauma might cause colic - but regardless - why are we letting MDs close birth canals? Doesn't it seem just a little strange to you that Kathryn Drennan, MD graduated medical school without learning that standard delivery positions close the birth canal up to 30%? She wrote: "When I was a kid, they squashed my skull, and I liked it. I had to walk home from the hospital uphill bothways through 10 feet of snow...... " http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain MDs are closing birth canals up to 30% and pulling so hard they sometimes rip spinal nerves out of tiny spinal cords. Some babies die, some babies get paralyzed - most "only" get their spines gruesomely wrenched. ALL spinal manipulation is gruesome with the birth canal closed up to 30%. Michelle, until you retract your lies, Todd Gastaldo, DC, holder of your "net kook crown" shall regard you as a net kook extraordinaire. : ) Would you tell your sister that there may be something to her statement about colic being caused by birth trauma? Thanks. Sincerely, Todd Dr. Gastaldo PS You wrote: "A few of [Gastaldo's] objections might make sense here and there if he weren't constantly spouting, 'MDs are lying and babies are dying!'" MDs *are* lying and babies *are* dying - and both of these facts are useful in making sense of my objections that MDs should not be closing birth canals and committing other obvious crimes... In regard to this latter - other obvious MD crimes... I have recently become interested in the grisly spectacle of MDs routinely robbing babies of up to 50% of the blood they would otherwise have tranfused to themselves immediately after birth. WHY are we letting MDs immediately amputate those natural oxygenation/transfusion devices called placentas? See Connecticut EMTs to help OBs (and babies)? http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/2731 COLIC (defined above) - who knows but that denying babies their blood might also cause/contribute to colic/inconsolable crying after birth? 
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August 15th 04, 04:10 AM
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August 15th 04, 05:12 AM
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"Michelle J. Haines" wrote says... COLIC DEFINED See below... FLUTIST MICHELLE: NET KOOK EXTRAORDINAIRE : ) See, Larry. Told ya.  Michelle Flutist Michelle, you LIED to Larry. See again: Colic defined (also: Flutist Michelle: net kook extraordinaire : ) http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/2735 Todd
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August 16th 04, 04:28 AM
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I wrote (erroneously):
...Assuming [Kathryn Drennan, MD] meant by "back injuries" "acute low back problems" - common physical therapy modalities were found NOT to be effective in 1994 when a US Public Health Service-sponsored panel of mostly MDs found that spinal manipulation like that used by most DCs is effective in acute low back problems... CORRECTION: The US Public Health Service-sponsored panel found no *scientific evidence* of effectiveness of common physical therapy modalities in relieving discomfort. Big difference between that and me saying (erroneously) that physical therapy modalities were found NOT to be effective. Physical therapy modalities may well be effective and might be *demonstrated* effective in future studies. BTW, many DCs use physical therapy modalities as well as spinal manipulation. In regard to possible changes in this 1994 panel's guideline, I just found this at a National Library of Medicine/NIH website: THIS DOCUMENT IS NO LONGER VIEWED AS GUIDANCE FOR CURRENT MEDICAL PRACTICE. Abstract Findings and recommendations on the assessment and treatment of adults with acute low back problems-activity limitations due to symptoms in the low back and/or back-related leg symptoms of less than 3 months' duration-are presented in this clinical practice guideline. The following are the principal conclusions of this guideline: a.. The initial assessment of patients with acute low back problems focuses on the detection of "red flags" (indicators of potentially serious spinal pathology or other nonspinal pathology). b.. In the absence of red flags, imaging studies and further testing of patients are not usually helpful during the first 4 weeks of low back symptoms. c.. Relief of discomfort can be accomplished most safely with nonprescription medication and/or spinal manipulation. d.. While some activity modification may be necessary during the acute phase, bed rest 4 days is not helpful and may further debilitate the patient. e.. Low-stress aerobic activities can be safely started in the first 2 weeks of symptoms to help avoid debilitation; exercises to condition trunk muscles are commonly delayed at least 2 weeks. f.. Patients recovering from acute low back problems are encouraged to return to work or their normal daily activities as soon as possible. g.. If low back symptoms persist, further evaluation may be indicated. h.. Patients with sciatica may recover more slowly, but further evaluation can also be safely delayed. i.. Within the first 3 months of low back symptoms, only patients with evidence of serious spinal pathology or severe, debilitating symptoms of sciatica, and physiologic evidence of specific nerve root compromise corroborated on imaging studies can be expected to benefit from surgery. j.. With or without surgery, 80 percent of patients with sciatica recover eventually. k.. Nonphysical factors (such as psychological or socioeconomic problems) may be addressed in the context of discussing reasonable expectations for recovery. This document is in the public domain and may be used and reprinted without special permission. AHCPR will appreciate citation of the source, and the suggested format is provided below: Bigos S, Bowyer O, Braen G, et al. Acute Low Back Problems in Adults. Clinical Practice Guideline No. 14. AHCPR Publication No. 95-0642. Rockville, MD: Agency for Health Care Policy and Research, Public Health Service, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. December 1994. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/bv....chapter.25870 Todd Dr. Gastaldo "Todd Gastaldo" wrote in message link.net... COLIC DEFINED See below... FLUTIST MICHELLE: NET KOOK EXTRAORDINAIRE : ) See ACTUALLY MICHELLE, below... Michelle J. Haines (flutist) wrote (on misc.kids.breastfeeding): "It seems we've become infested with a Gastaldo-quality net-kook. I'm so thrilled." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain Tori M. replied: "...i was "thrilled" to think we could have another Todd.. grrr...Lol I have killfiled Todd a few times but I always remove him because people veply to him and then I wonder what else he said.. lol..." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain Larry McMahan replied: "Michelle!! This comparison is grossly unfair to Todd! It is certain that Todd is quite Quixotic, but he has used valid science in his posts to urge needed reforms in the birth process. his 30% closing of the birth canal..." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...utput= gplain Michelle replied: "Yeah. But, in another group a couple years ago, I was chatting with another newsgroup regular about her chosen career (she had recently graduated medical school and was planning on specializing in high- risk OBGYN). I mentioned her reading MKP to get some of the feeling for issues women had, and jokingly mentioned dodging Gastaldo. Six months or so later, he comes screaming into this newsgroup (rec.music.tori-amos), starting throwing around his excessive rants, and then started hassling Katy's teachers, insisting she was unfit tp practice medicine, because she basically had a reaction of "Who is THIS idiot?"...So, he still gets the net-kook crown. http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain ACTUALLY MICHELLE.... You were NOT "jokingly mentioning dodging Gastaldo." Kathryn J. Drennan MD was discussing "chiropracty"... She wrote: "Also, there's absolutely no evidence that I'm aware of that chiropracty is any more effective than good conventional medical therapy and physical therapy for back injuries...." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain [Assuming Kathryn meant by "back injuries" "acute low back problems" - common physical therapy modalities were found NOT to be effective in 1994 when a US Public Health Service-sponsored panel of mostly MDs found that spinal manipulation like that used by most DCs is effective in acute low back problems.] You replied to her: "...there's a guy who regularly posts to MKP that 'fetal skull squashing' could be eliminated if only chiropractors could act as baby catchers." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain Kathryn J. Drennan, MD replied: "fetal skull squashing" happens as the baby passes through the pelvic outlet and (to a much lesser extent) vagina. If the chirpractor can't change that, he can't prevent it, although it may be amusing to watch him try.....Also, what's so bad about fetal skull squashing...aside from epidural/subdural/brain bleeds which although bad, are very rare, and not necesarily due to skull squashing'." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain You replied: "See, now you're simply assuming that Todd Gastaldo has the ability to ... make sense...But generally, it's a rant about things like forceps, birth in the lithogamy position, and overlly medalicized birth. A few of his objections might make sense here and there if he weren't constantly spouting, 'MDs are lying and babies are dying!' and how chiropractors should be certified doctors, yadda, yadda, shut up already." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain Michelle, I've NEVER posted to MKP "that 'fetal skull squashing' could be eliminated if only chiropractors could act as baby catchers." Rather, I have indicated (repeatedly) that ANYONE - even and esp. pregnant women - can eliminate fetal skull squashing caused by MDs senselessly closing the birth canal - by simply not closing the birth canal. And BTW, chiros ARE certified doctors. One last matter Michelle... You told the MD you still hadn't "finished rolling [your] eyes" at your sister's statement that "her kids had colic because of birth trauma." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain[i] COLIC DEFINED... "Crying is called 'Infantile colic' when such cries are numerous, paroxystic, difficult to comfort, and without an obvious cause." --Stagnara et al. [Arch Pediatr. 1997 Oct;4(10):959-66. PubMed abstract] "n 2002, the cause of infant colic is still unknown." --Marsha L. Cirgin Ellett, RN, DNS [Gastroenterol Nurs. 2003 Mar-Apr;26(2):60-5. PubMed abstract] I suspect that MANY cases of "colic"/inconsolable crying may be due to MDs causing terrible neck pain by closing birth canals and violently pushing on tiny spines (with oxytocin and Cytotec) and gruesomely pulling (with hands forceps and vaccums)... I'm just guessing that birth trauma might cause colic - but regardless - why are we letting MDs close birth canals? Doesn't it seem just a little strange to you that Kathryn Drennan, MD graduated medical school without learning that standard delivery positions close the birth canal up to 30%? She wrote: "When I was a kid, they squashed my skull, and I liked it. I had to walk home from the hospital uphill bothways through 10 feet of snow...... " http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain MDs are closing birth canals up to 30% and pulling so hard they sometimes rip spinal nerves out of tiny spinal cords. Some babies die, some babies get paralyzed - most "only" get their spines gruesomely wrenched. ALL spinal manipulation is gruesome with the birth canal closed up to 30%. Michelle, until you retract your lies, Todd Gastaldo, DC, holder of your "net kook crown" shall regard you as a net kook extraordinaire. : ) Would you tell your sister that there may be something to her statement about colic being caused by birth trauma? Thanks. Sincerely, Todd Dr. Gastaldo PS You wrote: "A few of [Gastaldo's] objections might make sense here and there if he weren't constantly spouting, 'MDs are lying and babies are dying!'" MDs *are* lying and babies *are* dying - and both of these facts are useful in making sense of my objections that MDs should not be closing birth canals and committing other obvious crimes... In regard to this latter - other obvious MD crimes... I have recently become interested in the grisly spectacle of MDs routinely robbing babies of up to 50% of the blood they would otherwise have tranfused to themselves immediately after birth. WHY are we letting MDs immediately amputate those natural oxygenation/transfusion devices called placentas? See Connecticut EMTs to help OBs (and babies)? http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/2731 COLIC (defined above) - who knows but that denying babies their blood might also cause/contribute to colic/inconsolable crying after birth?
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August 16th 04, 05:58 AM
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Hmmm...very interesting. My first daughter was the fussiest baby EVER,
and the doctors used forceps AND a vacuum during labor. Brandy "Todd Gastaldo" wrote in message hlink.net...[i] COLIC DEFINED See below... FLUTIST MICHELLE: NET KOOK EXTRAORDINAIRE : ) See ACTUALLY MICHELLE, below... Michelle J. Haines (flutist) wrote (on misc.kids.breastfeeding): "It seems we've become infested with a Gastaldo-quality net-kook. I'm so thrilled." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain Tori M. replied: "...i was "thrilled" to think we could have another Todd.. grrr...Lol I have killfiled Todd a few times but I always remove him because people veply to him and then I wonder what else he said.. lol..." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain Larry McMahan replied: "Michelle!! This comparison is grossly unfair to Todd! It is certain that Todd is quite Quixotic, but he has used valid science in his posts to urge needed reforms in the birth process. his 30% closing of the birth canal..." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...utput= gplain Michelle replied: "Yeah. But, in another group a couple years ago, I was chatting with another newsgroup regular about her chosen career (she had recently graduated medical school and was planning on specializing in high- risk OBGYN). I mentioned her reading MKP to get some of the feeling for issues women had, and jokingly mentioned dodging Gastaldo. Six months or so later, he comes screaming into this newsgroup (rec.music.tori-amos), starting throwing around his excessive rants, and then started hassling Katy's teachers, insisting she was unfit tp practice medicine, because she basically had a reaction of "Who is THIS idiot?"...So, he still gets the net-kook crown. http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain ACTUALLY MICHELLE.... You were NOT "jokingly mentioning dodging Gastaldo." Kathryn J. Drennan MD was discussing "chiropracty"... She wrote: "Also, there's absolutely no evidence that I'm aware of that chiropracty is any more effective than good conventional medical therapy and physical therapy for back injuries...." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain [Assuming Kathryn meant by "back injuries" "acute low back problems" - common physical therapy modalities were found NOT to be effective in 1994 when a US Public Health Service-sponsored panel of mostly MDs found that spinal manipulation like that used by most DCs is effective in acute low back problems.] You replied to her: "...there's a guy who regularly posts to MKP that 'fetal skull squashing' could be eliminated if only chiropractors could act as baby catchers." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain Kathryn J. Drennan, MD replied: "fetal skull squashing" happens as the baby passes through the pelvic outlet and (to a much lesser extent) vagina. If the chirpractor can't change that, he can't prevent it, although it may be amusing to watch him try.....Also, what's so bad about fetal skull squashing...aside from epidural/subdural/brain bleeds which although bad, are very rare, and not necesarily due to skull squashing'." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain You replied: "See, now you're simply assuming that Todd Gastaldo has the ability to ... make sense...But generally, it's a rant about things like forceps, birth in the lithogamy position, and overlly medalicized birth. A few of his objections might make sense here and there if he weren't constantly spouting, 'MDs are lying and babies are dying!' and how chiropractors should be certified doctors, yadda, yadda, shut up already." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain Michelle, I've NEVER posted to MKP "that 'fetal skull squashing' could be eliminated if only chiropractors could act as baby catchers." Rather, I have indicated (repeatedly) that ANYONE - even and esp. pregnant women - can eliminate fetal skull squashing caused by MDs senselessly closing the birth canal - by simply not closing the birth canal. And BTW, chiros ARE certified doctors. One last matter Michelle... You told the MD you still hadn't "finished rolling [your] eyes" at your sister's statement that "her kids had colic because of birth trauma." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain COLIC DEFINED... "Crying is called 'Infantile colic' when such cries are numerous, paroxystic, difficult to comfort, and without an obvious cause." --Stagnara et al. [Arch Pediatr. 1997 Oct;4(10):959-66. PubMed abstract] "n 2002, the cause of infant colic is still unknown." --Marsha L. Cirgin Ellett, RN, DNS [Gastroenterol Nurs. 2003 Mar-Apr;26(2):60-5. PubMed abstract] I suspect that MANY cases of "colic"/inconsolable crying may be due to MDs causing terrible neck pain by closing birth canals and violently pushing on tiny spines (with oxytocin and Cytotec) and gruesomely pulling (with hands forceps and vaccums)... I'm just guessing that birth trauma might cause colic - but regardless - why are we letting MDs close birth canals? Doesn't it seem just a little strange to you that Kathryn Drennan, MD graduated medical school without learning that standard delivery positions close the birth canal up to 30%? She wrote: "When I was a kid, they squashed my skull, and I liked it. I had to walk home from the hospital uphill bothways through 10 feet of snow...... " http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain MDs are closing birth canals up to 30% and pulling so hard they sometimes rip spinal nerves out of tiny spinal cords. Some babies die, some babies get paralyzed - most "only" get their spines gruesomely wrenched. ALL spinal manipulation is gruesome with the birth canal closed up to 30%. Michelle, until you retract your lies, Todd Gastaldo, DC, holder of your "net kook crown" shall regard you as a net kook extraordinaire. : ) Would you tell your sister that there may be something to her statement about colic being caused by birth trauma? Thanks. Sincerely, Todd Dr. Gastaldo PS You wrote: "A few of [Gastaldo's] objections might make sense here and there if he weren't constantly spouting, 'MDs are lying and babies are dying!'" MDs *are* lying and babies *are* dying - and both of these facts are useful in making sense of my objections that MDs should not be closing birth canals and committing other obvious crimes... In regard to this latter - other obvious MD crimes... I have recently become interested in the grisly spectacle of MDs routinely robbing babies of up to 50% of the blood they would otherwise have tranfused to themselves immediately after birth. WHY are we letting MDs immediately amputate those natural oxygenation/transfusion devices called placentas? See Connecticut EMTs to help OBs (and babies)? http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/2731 COLIC (defined above) - who knows but that denying babies their blood might also cause/contribute to colic/inconsolable crying after birth?
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August 16th 04, 05:27 PM
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BABY'S HEART STOPPED...
See below... First this... FUSSIEST BABY **EVER** Brandy Kurtz wrote: "Hmmm...very interesting. My first daughter was the fussiest baby EVER, and the doctors used forceps AND a vacuum during labor." http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain I had written... I suspect that MANY cases of "colic"/inconsolable crying may be due to MDs causing terrible neck pain by closing birth canals and violently pushing on tiny spines (with oxytocin and Cytotec) and gruesomely pulling (with hands forceps and vaccums)... I'm just guessing that birth trauma might cause colic - but regardless - why are we letting MDs close birth canals? See Colic defined (also: Flutist Michelle: net kook extraordinaire : ) http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/2735 Michelle J. Haines replied to Brandy: "Overall, I'm inclined to think that how they were born has pretty much jack-all to do with their personalities. "http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain Michelle, This is the first time I've seen the term "jack-all" - I assume you mean that birth trauma means "jack" - "nothing" - in regard to "fussiness"... If the OB is pulling the baby out of the birth canal with hands, forceps or vacuum extractor - she had better not be closing the birth canal. Yet OBs *often* vacuum extract with birth canals close up to 30% (with women semisitting or dorsal)... It's obvious criminal negligence regardless whether it effects the baby's "personality." You didn't mention birth position in any of your birth descriptions. Your mention of "heart stoppage due to nupal [sic] cord" reminded me of "heartrate drops" ostensibly caused by a nuchal cord... Kate Elliott, MD wrote: "I started pushing, and continued just doing my thing. They suggested I try on my back with my legs pulled up (sorry, Gastaldo) so I did. I then tried hands and knees, but didn't like it particularly any better, and really was not in the mood to support my weight any more than that. So I went back to that position [on my back with my legs pulled up] , which the intern told me was working quite well...The only wrinkle came toward the end, as she continued to have the big drops in heartrate with each contraction. They got worse and her recovery from them slowed, and I was told at this point no more easing her out slowly -- she needed to come now. So I had to start holding my breath and pushing through incredible pain to get her out. The last few pushes I was screaming like a banshee, and when the OB urged me to push *hard* and get her out, I replied "I can't -- it hurts too much -- use the vacuum!". But I could, and did. At 9:44am, Margaret Hope K. entered the world weighing in at 8lbs 10oz. She had a tight nuchal cord, which accounted for her heartrate drops, and [she] was a tad stunned at first..." http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...g.goog le.com Heartrate drops and "a tad stunned" might also be expected if the mom's birth canal is closed up to 30%... NOTE: OBs indicate that closing the birth canal FAR LESS than 30% can kill; and Australian obstetrician Norman F. Beischer, MD has guessed that 10-15% of stillbirths are just fine right before delivery. Michelle, you must not have been laboring on your back or butt (with your birth canal closed up to 30%) when the "nupal cord" caused your baby's heart to stop - or you would have mentioned it. For the benefit of any new readers... My usual public service announcement... PREGNANT WOMEN: OBs are knowingly closing birth canals up to 30%. For simple PROOF that OBs are knowingly closing birth canals up to 30%... For simple instructions on how women can allow their birth canals to OPEN their birth canals the "extra" up to 30%... See I ain't no Semmelweis, but... http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/2591 IT'S OBVIOUS OB CRIME... OBs are slicing vaginas en masse (euphemism "routine episiotomy") - surgically/FRAUDULENTLY inferring everything possible is being done to OPEN birth canals - even as they CLOSE birth canals - up to 30%. OBs are slicing abdomens en masse ("c-section") - surgically/fraudulently inferring everything possible has been DONE to open birth canals - even as they CLOSE birth canals - up to 30%. Now - to be sure - allowing the birth canal to open the "extra" up to 30% is not going to prevent all caesareans and episiotomies - but it can't hurt. Incidentally, when babies' shoulders get stuck, OBs KEEP the birth canal closed - even as they say they are opening it maximally. See ACOG birth crime video evidence http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/2300 ONE LAST NOTE... OBs don't charge for their mass vagina slicing - but it is known to increase severe perineal tears by 50X - and perineal tearing is the most common reason for hospitalization of women: "The most common diagnosis for hospitalization among all women is trauma to perineum due to childbirth." http://www.ahcpr.gov/data/hcup/factbk3/factbk3.htm NOTE: A top CNMwife actually promoted semisitting (closing the birth canal up to 30%) after I mentioned the grisly biomechanics to her... See Criminal medical CAM at Hawai'i's John A Burns School of Medicine http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/2256 Thanks for reading. Sincerely, Todd Dr. Gastaldo COLIC DEFINED... "Crying is called 'Infantile colic' when such cries are numerous, paroxystic, difficult to comfort, and without an obvious cause." --Stagnara et al. [Arch Pediatr. 1997 Oct;4(10):959-66. PubMed abstract] "[i]n 2002, the cause of infant colic is still unknown." --Marsha L. Cirgin Ellett, RN, DNS [Gastroenterol Nurs. 2003 Mar-Apr;26(2):60-5. PubMed abstract] "Michelle J. Haines" wrote in message snip *shrug* First daughter -- stuck in the birth canal jammed up against the pubic bone for well over an hour, culminating vacuum extraction. Middle-of-the-road baby. First son -- traumatic birth, APGAR of 4, heart stoppage due to nupal cord, emergency c-section. Very mellow, apart from a couple of nights where he was inconsolable at three in the morning. It was only a few, though, although since he contracted meningitis at ten weeks old. He really liked to hang out on the floor and stare at this weird ceiling angle we had. Calm about being a tad mauled (in a good way) by his older sister. Second son -- c-section after very long labor, but the labor was never very extreme, he never got into the birth canal, and really didn't have any physical trauma. All in all, the easiest birth I've had, aside from a post-operative infection. Screamiest, clingiest child I've had. Screamed into my face for two-four hours every night for weeks. Refused to be held by anyone but me or my husband, and frequently, by anyone but me. Massive diaper rashes if you waved a disposable in his direction. Never took a suck out of a bottle for any reason. He still has a short temper, easily gets frustrated, and often has bouts of separation anxiety even at the age of four. Second daughter -- mostly natural birth, but physically a bit rough at the end, where she caught her shoulder on something, and popped a blood vessel in my labia. Her entrance was fast, sudden, and rough. Hands down, mellowest baby I've ever had. Her version of a temper tantrum is to stamp her feet twice, smack something on the floor and whine. Overall, I'm inclined to think that how they were born has pretty much jack-all to do with their personalities. Michelle Flutist -- Drift on a river, That flows through my arms Drift as I'm singing to you I see you smiling, So peaceful and calm And holding you, I'm smiling, too Here in my arms, Safe from all harm Holding you, I'm smiling, too -- For Xander [9/22/98 - 2/23/99]
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"Brandy Kurtz" wrote in message om... Hmmm...very interesting. My first daughter was the fussiest baby EVER, and the doctors used forceps AND a vacuum during labor. Brandy My daughter had colic longer then I knew a child should have colic and whe was delivered without outside help. i thought that she would calm down at 4 months but she kept nighttime cry patterns up until 6 months if not 8 months. Tori -- Bonnie 3/20/02 Xavier due 10/17/04
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