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Bad news for liars, good news for kids
"Mark Probert" wrote: Proof of Mark's first comment. LOL. First comment was: snip Moving on................. "Dr. Boyd Hayley" Btw, NOT one word about copyrighted. KABOOM!! |
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"Jan Drew" wrote:
"Mark" wrote: snip On Jan 8, 12:09 am, Peter Bowditch wrote: State's autism rises despite vaccine change snip "Dr." Boyd Hayley" Who??? Have you forgotten already, Jan? He's the man with the enormous "CV" (wink, wink) who speaks before congress. You never did say how you knew what he did before congress. Does he have a smoke afterwards or just roll over and go to sleep? Perhaps he makes some feeble excuse about having to get back to work. -- Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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"Jan Drew" wrote:
Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Copyright © 2008 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. Copyright © 2008 Yahoo! Inc. All Rights Reserved. Is there a point to this, Jan? If you are referring to the articles I cited, please note that I quoted only the first couple of paragraphs of each and then provided links to the relevant media sites. There was no breach of copyright. Your apology will be accepted as soon as it is offered. -- Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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PB: Is it possible the actual culprit is the active vaccine itself?
The sickest acute ailment I ever had up until 1984 was a forced flu vaccine while active duty US Army. I was so sick I was confined to quarters for 2 weeks. Paul On Jan 8, 12:09*am, Peter Bowditch wrote: State's autism rises despite vaccine change LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Autism cases in California continued to climb even after a mercury-rich vaccine preservative that some people blame for the neurological disorder was removed from routine childhood shots, a new study found. Researchers from the state Department of Public Health found the autism rate in children rose continuously during the 12-year study period from 1995 to 2007. The preservative thimerosal hasn't been used in childhood vaccines since 2001, but is used in some flu shots. Doctors say the latest study adds to existing evidence refuting a link between thimerosal exposure and autism risk and should reassure parents that the disorder is not caused by vaccinations. If there was a risk, they said, autism rates should have dropped between 2004 and 2007. ... http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/01/07....ap/index.html Another take on it at: Mercury-vaccine link to autism disproven: study CHICAGO (Reuters) - A new study provides more proof that childhood vaccines with mercury as a preservative -- no longer on the market -- did not cause autism, researchers reported on Monday. The findings came from a look at children diagnosed with autism in California from 1995 to 2007. It found that the number of autism cases continued to rise through that period even though the preservative thimerosal -- nearly half of which is made of ethylmercury -- was removed from most vaccines in 2001. ... http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080107/...cinations_dc_1 And yes, I know that the second story contains the idiotic statement "thimerosal -- nearly half of which is made of ethylmercury". I can only assume that the "journalist" studied chemistry at the University of Kentucky (if at all). -- Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Projecthttp://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraudhttp://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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t wrote: "Peter Bowditch" wrote in message .. . State's autism rises despite vaccine change No vacs for my kids thank you. And there is nothing you can do to change that. Now this is the part where you get to blather, so please do. Nah, we're all just going to sit here and admire how tough you are, you big ol' he-man, you. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "[Being against Gardasil] is like being against a cure for blindness because it'll encourage masturbation." -- Bill Maher |
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"Peter Bowditch" wrote: Mark wrote: On Jan 8, 12:09 am, Peter Bowditch wrote: State's autism rises despite vaccine change snip And where do we go from here? Which is the way that's clear? -- Peter Bowditch It's clear you posted copyrighted material. It's clear you pulled in the ILK GANG. Oh, and you might want to go to the below... http://groups.google.com/group/misc....61a29afcb9cf0f The Internet is free territory. Anyone with a server and a passable command of the English language can put up a shingle and say any ****ing thing they want to. THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE You Dumbass!!! However, there are still people who would rather believe "Joe's Website" than an in-person individual who has studied this **** ad nauseum and might -- just might -- know a little bit about it. Sorry for the rant. Mark, MD http://groups.google.com/group/misc....51cf7adfcae0bd Bull****. Find proof, or **** off, Mr. "personal physcian". Treating neonatal Hep B infection with Hep B vaccine and HBIVIG goes a LONG way toward heading off lifelong Hepatitis B carrier state and a good chance of developing liver cancer at a young age. Since they have no insurance, guess who would be stuck footing the bill for THAT treatment, JG and Roger? This "young couple" knows diddly-**** about hepatitis, its treatment, or the financial and medical consequences if it is left untreated. If your libertarianism (no capital "L") extends to denying medical coverage to morons, I retract my statements. Mark, MD http://groups.google.com/group/misc....8f9235e4121fa7 Eat **** and die, you stupid ****ing bigot. Mark, MD From: Mark ) Subject: The Flu vaccine is worthless and damaging Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 2003-11-12 17:11:53 PST Shut the **** up, you ignorant ****. From: Mark ) Subject: Are chiropractors physicians? Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 2003-09-04 19:04:33 PST You're a ****. From: Mark Probert ) Subject: MMR - despite new study, when will voodoo stop? View: Complete Thread (60 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: sci.med, alt.politics.british, uk.politics.misc, misc.kids.health Date: 2002-10-08 14:09:11 PST see above for thick **** of the year From: TaskForce 20 ) Subject: Every healthy person is sick, but does not know it yet Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 2003-08-30 13:44:47 PST What ever happened to the **** called Bubba? http://groups.google.com/group/misc....68b54f717b79ff Grow the **** up, Debbee. Mark, MD From: John Bain ) Subject: Bringing up children View: Complete Thread (62 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 2002-06-30 08:10:06 PST "Karuna" writes: Shock! Shame! Horror! ... It is called discussion. I had this rather wierdo idea that mha was kind of a discussion group. It cannot be a useful discussion group when participants deliberately set out to deceive and remain unchallenged. The point of the Ben Kolb item, which was an article about the Dateline TV programme, was not an attack on the doctors involved in the Ben Kolb case, but a discussion of the problem in getting safety information to doctors. The point was made that airlines have well defined procedures for this. CM does not. The doctors involved in the case gave a presentation explaining what went wrong, but a check on hospitals made by the Dateline researchers revealed that the 'procedure' that led to the death was still being carried out. Seems perfectly simple doesn't it. But Jan was accused of using the Ben Kolb case to divert attention. You have seen Peter B's statement which is a deliberate attempt to deceive. He may well know someone, somewhere who has used the Ben Kolb case to 'divert', but Jan did not and no-one else here has done so. Jan challenged Peter as having lied about this and whenever she sees another 'lie' from Peter, lists the lies he made about her, including the Ben Kolb case, which he has not withdrawn. Again, this is not an attempt to divert, but a challenge to a 'liar' who repeats his 'lies' to deceive other posters. He seems to have deceived you. The other challenge to Jan's original post was that this was not a 'procedure' in medical terms so the entire article must be incompetent and not worth reading. But the article was a heavily edited transcript of the TV programme, and that programme has not been challenged. It was also claimed that the participants did not say the things the article suggested, because their words were not included in inverted commas. But again this was a transcript of a TV programme which Jan watched and the participants said those things on the programme. All Jan has going for her is passion. Her opponents are often very clever deceivers, their statements may be factually accurate, but they are not 'the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth' and their intention is to mislead. Their attitude seems to be that the ends, discrediting AM, justify the means. And it works. Jan's 'line' is often distorted and she does get the 'wrong end of the stick' sometimes, and if you jump into the middle of a thread, it is so easy to assume that the other side is the voice of reason rather than deliberate deception, particularly when other posters, who have been already deceived, join in and miss the point. Best wishes -- John Bain From: John Bain ) Subject: As dense as, well, mercury View: Complete Thread (14 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 2002-12-20 08:53:43 PST Peter Bowditch writes: For those who came in late, I was accused of lying for pointing out to Jan that words have meanings and that the word "procedure" has a meaning in a medical context. The procedure that was to be performed on Ben Kolb had been done thousands of times before and has been done many times since. The practice of inadequate labelling which led to his death is something which several doctors and nurses said that they had never seen. When some television reporter got confused about the words "procedure" and "practice" and asked someone if the "procedure" was still used, that person said "yes". Cutting off the wrong leg, that old favourite of anti-medicine people, calls into question the practice of documenting which leg to cut off but does not in any way invalidate the surgical procedure of amputation. No Peter, you were accused of deliberate wordplay to deny the conclusions of the programme. Whether the reporter used the words procedure or practice is quite irrelevant, the programme made it quite clear what the problem was. Remember this Lying topic titles From: J BainSI To: misc.health.alternative Date: 28/02/2002 Peter Bowditch writes: Yet again I am accused of lying by "twisting" the Ben Kolb story. Here, once again, are my comments about this tragedy. 1) That Ben Kolb died is a tragedy. He died because of a mistake arising from a dangerous practice of decanting chemicals into unmarked containers. Quite correct, but nothing to do with the issue. The point is that there is no procedure in place to ensure that this does not happen again. The particular hospital involved has instituted procedures, but experts have said that this procedure is still being carried out in other hospitals. It is unlikely to change until a similar accident happens at those other hospitals. Or Mark P is called in to point out the error of their waysg That is the point. CM does not learn by it's mistakes, only individual practitioners do. The point was made that the airline business is tightly regulated so that this type of accident is not repeated. No such system exists in CM or AM. But let's put CM's house in order first. 2) 3) 4) 5) 6) 7) All irrelevant to the point of the article. I am still waiting for jan to succinctly state where I "lied", without discussing semantics. I am also still waiting for a simple "yes" or "no" answer to the question of whether she believes that Tim Bolen tells lies. I believe that Tim 'tells lies', just as I believe you 'tell lies' The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth is required here. You deliberately omitted the point of the article above in an attempt to deceive your readers. You succeeded with one of the Marks. Do you not consider deliberate deception as lying? Or is it OK if it bolsters your beliefs and helps persuade others that your beliefs are the True Beliefs? So, I would put you and Tim in the same category. That makes you a 'liar'. -------------------------------------- Best wishes -- John Bain UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html Surround Sound for Television http://tinyurl.com/b9fhh Oh my ****in' God... http://groups.google.com/group/sci.s...10f79e6c60165e Jan 2 2002 I hope Yurko is repeatedly and violently raped in prison, over and over, on many, many occasions until he dies of blood loss from a shredded rectum. I mean it. To do what he did to that baby is just about the most despicable thing I can imagine, and I hope he suffers hell on earth until he screams for the mercy of death. And then I hope he doesn't get the death he craves until Satan has prepared a nice hot place for him to spend the rest of eternity. Those who defend him should get the cell next door. Mark, MD Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative From: " - Find messages by this author Date: 12 Aug 2005 20:20:27 -0700 Local: Fri, Aug 12 2005 10:20 pm Subject: Please...STFU Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Will you two just stop, please? Mark, Jan Drew is just a wee bit retarded, so it makes you look bad to keep picking on her. Jan...you...aren't...that...smart..so...you...shou ld...just...go...back...t*o...those...special...cl asses. I'm a little tired of MHA being turned into the "Jan 'n' Mark Show". Yes, Jan is an abhorrhent bigot. And Mark Probert is...ummmmm..a thoughtful Jew with a functioning sense of logic? In any case, I think it is time for the bigger person to stand up and say that the nonsense needs to stop. Quit behaving like a couple of schoolyard idiots and get back to discussing issues of Alternative Medicine, mmmkay? Mark, MD P.S. . I just thought it was time to say that you and Mark P. need to quit derailing this NG. == She had a good tan, perky tits and a winning smile |
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DW: Does anybody like you or do you have any friends? I feel sorry for
you. Paul On Jan 8, 8:50*pm, (David Wright) wrote: Nah, we're all just going to sit here and admire how tough you are, you big ol' he-man, you. David Wright These are my opinions only |
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" wrote: On Jan 8, 9:46 am, "t" wrote: "Peter Bowditch" wrote in message ... State's autism rises despite vaccine change No vacs for my kids thank you. No kids for you; thank you for not breeding! ROTFLOL!! Do tell us if you have kids. Knowing you life style, they would have to be adopted. And there is nothing you can do to change that. Yup, some chose a life of celibacy And some are GAY!! |
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"Jan Drew" wrote:
"Mark Probert" wrote: Proof of Mark's first comment. LOL. First comment was: snip Moving on................. "Dr. Boyd Hayley" Btw, NOT one word about copyrighted. Because there was nothing to say about it. KABOOM!! As has been explained to you, quoting part of something and providing a link to the entire article does not violate copyright. Please try to keep up. -- Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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