$55 million lawsuit filed against DSHS: Carole Ann DeLeon sits injail, charged with killing her adopted son by depriving him of water....

"0:-]" wrote in message
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Many people have been reunited with their children because of Kane's
advice.

Sure and kangaroos fly 747's for Northwest Airlines.

I don't care if you believe it or not.

And I don't give a flying **** what YOU believe Dan.

Check and mate, dummy.

I doubt he cares if you care.

Is that too complex for you of the "unspanked children develop
sociopathy?"

Oh posterboy don't strain us with your WIT and WISDOM. Go back to
sharing your expertise on Cuba and your DOUBLE NAUGHT spying there Jethro!

"Ron" wrote in message
...

You must remember to Kane, Ron and the other CPS apologists, any
time you provide information that suggests that their Emperor is naked,
really ****es them off Greg.

To a point you are correct kenny. It does tend to irritate me a bit,
but then again these "suggestions" are lies, proven to be lies, and
everyone should object to that. Why don't you? Why do you continue to
support points of view that have been proven to be false time and again
kenny?

don't it becomes a "personal" war for them. They can't destroy the
message so they try to kill the messenger. In their world there is only
ONE view, theirs. Which, of course, is why there is such a problem with
the CPS system.

My views are supported by fact kenny. Verifiable, posted, fact. fx and
gregg cannot claim the same. And if they were to it is quite easy to
point out the errors in their theories with the facts.

No Ron your views are supported by bull**** you and the CPS people
CALL facts.

If you have an alternate set of facts, facts that can be verified, I'll
look them over kenny. Until that happens I'll use the data that is
available. You can call what I have BS if you like, but at least it can be
verified and viewed by anyone with an internet connection.

Oh I think this started with people posting "alternate facts" thta have
you CPS guys foaming at the mouth Ron.

Lots of **** is "posted"" Ron and it is bull****. To me the true test is
challenging those "facts" where the evidence supporting both sides is put
to the test of credibility.

I can relate to that. Unfortunately your track record in this area is
totally abysmal. Your credibility as well is completely in the crapper.
So, raise both and maybe, just maybe, someone will take you seriously
kenny.

But you have a vested interest in making that claim. To most people my
credibility is much better than yours and Kanes. Those who figure out that
you guys are here in disguise.

In a court where BULL**** you read in "POSTS" doesn't cut it. Where pure
**** like your pal's claims of EXPERTISE on Cuba would get him yanked off
the witness stand by the bailiff.

Interesting. What I put in posts is verifiable kenny. Completely
available to anyone. Good in any court in the land. Documented,
validated, official. I cant speak for others, but I do know that you have
a real long track record here of taking other people's statements
completely out of context and applying your own meaning to them. A REAL
long track record. This, more than anything else, is what has trashed
your credibility in this news group. And you have done it to yourself.
Personally, I find that very funny.

And you and Kane do NOT? Long ago I said I would play on the field YOU
guys created. Now you bitch about it. Poor baby! Your associate (Kane) and
his PRETENSE of GREAT KNOWLEDGE (expertise) on Cuba is a great example of
what you guys are all about. Not to mention Kanes claims of INVENTING the
Internet AND The computer - and his DOUBLE NAUGHT spying. Not to mention the
REST of his BULL**** GRANDIOSITY!

Your "perspective" of what happens in a court room is a bit ....
different, from what you have posted to date. I have spent quite a bit of
time in court rooms in my life. When one is a Law Enforcement Officer it
comes with the job. I have also spent quite some time in civil courts,
due to my more than 15 years as a foster parent and numerous adoptions.
Yeah, I'd say that your perspective is unlike any other I have ever heard
of.

Yeah cops spend lots of time in courts and have the perspective of the
professional witness who walks into the courthouse with an AGENDA. That does
NOT mean you have a frigging CLUE as to how the actual process works. Like
many cops that are PROFESSIONALS at CPS types of cases they come loaded for
bear and ready to LIE their asses off because in your minds the end justify
ANY AND ALL means! Shall I bring up as a good example DETECTIVE Bobby Perez
in the Wenatchee case? How HE stands as POSTER BOY for law enforcement in
CPS cases?

You see where I sit in the courtrooms and I have been there probably AS
MUCH as you have or more in a 30+ year career, my dealing is with legal
strategy and with evidence. Of course MY perspective is different from any
YOU have heard of because we are on DIFFERENT SIDES Ron! You are on NAIL the
parents side, and I am on the side of the WRONGLY accused.

Hmmm, given the above I'd be willing to bet that I have more court room
time than you do.

Bet you'd lose that one Ronny. You come in flap your jaws and leave. I'm
there for the whole deal, and before and after.

On Jun 29, 5:38 am, Greegor wrote:
On Jun 28, 5:04 pm, Dan Sullivan wrote:





On Jun 28, 4:25 pm, Greegor wrote:

Kane wrote

'Fraid not. I think they would not be terribly
happy with my helping folks as I do.

Why would they care how many butt buddies
and sock puppets you PRETEND you helped?

krp wrote

Which is why you attack anyone standing
up for the wrongly accused.

Kane wrote

You mean like Greg? Greg Hansen who advised a women who had just
recovered her children from CPS to, in another case, step right up
with the evidence she had broken the two party recording law in her
state to challenge this "unfair law," and risk being charged with a
crime, possibly arrested, and possibly end up in jail...with CPS
coming for her children again?

That "anyone," krp?

You're talking about ""lostintranslation"" Kim Olson of CT
"lazyvegan"?
She of the mysterious 20 second audio clip with her name in it?

What's mysterious about it?

Famous for addressing lawmakers on election day?

You can't talk to lawmakers on election day?

Where DOES she work anyway?

Conneticut, I believe.

Kane wrote

The same Greg that attaches like a blood sucking leech to anyone
coming here to seek advice and information, and tries to get them to
follow HIS example....one of SIX PLUS YEARS of having sabotaged his
girlfriends attempts to have her child returned from state custody?

That 'anyone,' krp?

Should I NAME the public defenders who failed
to afford their client a VIGOROUS defense?

Please do.

Who fought like limp dishrags?
Who "sold out" the family?
Who urged the "stipulation scam" and promised
to protect against a bad service plan and then
when they saw the plan later, promptly WITHDREW?

Did you really think we shunned legal counsel
and started PRO SE pleadings right off the bat?

Wasn't it only a couple of weeks and then you decided to fight CPS
over every issue large or small?

Finding a public defender who is not a complete
stooge for the DHS plan is very hard.

Even finding a PAID attorney who will afford
parents a VIGOROUS REPRESENTATION
against CPS (The State) is extremely difficult.

How much have YOU personally spent on attny's fees since the little
girl was removed?

Read his "pleading," and his House Ways and Means Committee Hearing
testimony, krp. And with a straight face say the same thing...pointing
out in his rambling self aggrandizement exactly what you think I am
attacking him for that should NOT be attacked as a sure fire way to
LOSE A CASE WITH CPS.

As opposed to "winning through surrender" I suppose.
Doing services to please the agency before they even
have the legal right to dictate such stuff, right?

To get the children back BEFORE CPS can get the Judge to Order a six
month removal!

That's not a good thing, Greg?

Come on, master Debater. Let's do another "sociopathy" lie from you.

I'll kick your sorry ass just as I did then.

Delusions of grandeur!

Do you think ANYONE, even Greg, fell for your feeble dodge that I had
to agree I was wrong when your charge of what I said or didn't say was
a flat out LIE?

What what what?

Too much run on sentence RAVING.

To Kane truth is a thin veneer to wrap his lies in.

Get with the program krp. No one here is blind, or stupid, as you'd
wish them to be.

Are you reading a job ad for CPS worker prerequisites?
You left out obsessive, deluded and incompetent.

And anyone that WOULD fall for your bull**** is either one or the
other or both, or a liar such as you.

Because you said so, right?

On Jun 28, 1:44 pm, " krp" wrote:

"0:-]" wrote in message

.. .

Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough
for
you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing false
allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE.

Do you have some examples, that you can provide a LINK to, krp, where
I have given advice that would be suicide?

LINK Kane? No didn't save it. But thinking about your advice to just
blindly cooperate with the CPS folks and DO what they say. (Performance
agreements, etc.) Which is tacit agreement to surrender legal JURISDICTION
to them to run your family . BAD BAD BAD legal advice Kane. They should
always seek out legal counsel and NOT you!

By the way, krp, THAT is Dan's advice, merely ECHOED by Kane.

Kane has admitted to ""infiltrating"" Family Rights groups.
Dan got caught doing it and ejected.
They have BOTH badmouthed Family Rights groups in general.
They claim they are superior.

The last time Dan infiltrated a group he had already
been kicked out of, he lasted mere weeks because
he just had to vent his spleen about his ""concerns""
with the Constitutional Defense.

That wasn't me.

Obviously it was simply someone else who saw thru the Constitutional
Defense BS.

Even Bob himself didn't use it.

He and his wife signed numerous service agreements witrh CPS.

He actually berates
any legal argument, come to think of it.

I berate any legal argument?

That's quite a broad brush you're using, Greg.

Prove it!

He urges the quicker more expedient solution
to get the kids home. Can you guess what that is?

Beat CPS to the punch!!!

Another one of my favorites is that Dan has
asserted how easy it is to get a CPS Service Plan
corrected when it's wrong.

To hear LIT and him tell it, all a family has to do
is ask the caseworker and they instantly change
the service plan.

Hell, It took years and some really embarassing
court pleadings to get the agency to drop the
""Vocational Rehab"" item even though the item
was totally impossible since they knew I had
no disability. After I called the Vocational Rehab
agency I think Iowa DHS got a rather embarassing
message from the Department Of Vocational Rehab.
That and a taunting, embarassing pleading got
them to remove this totally IMPOSSIBLE service.

They wanted you to get a job, Greg.

Caseworker input into the psych eval said
that I ""perceived myself"" to be an assault victim.

Didn't the little girl's grandfather punch you in the face after he
found out you locked her out of her own home in February with no
shoes, socks or coat?

Investigation of this ""pathology"" was dropped
after the attacker plead GUILTY and spent a night in jail.

I'd like to buy the guy a drink.

We had one caseworker so ****y she stood in the
courthouse hallway wringing her fists like
Colonel Klink from Hogan's Heros.
She's the one who perjured herself about
me sending her a threatening e-mail.
(Proving malicious intent, by the way.)

The ""e-mail"" lie was so lame the Judge
rolled his eyes, knowing full well she lied
on the witness stand.

Were you in the courtroom, Greg?

I was the one cross examining her.

Did you ask the Judge to have her arrested for perjury?

The Judge should have done that.

So that's a "no."

Why did you fail to ask the Judge for her arrest?

Greg, if you and your Family Rights friends have all the best answers,
tactics and strategy, why hasn't the girl been returned to her mother?

We follow all of your advice Dan!

Liar.

We pucker up and kiss caseworker ass as fast as we can!

That's never been my advice to anyone.

What ELSE do you suggest we do?

Lisa dumped you.

Maybe she does have a chance of getting her daughter back.

" krp" wrote in message
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"Ron" wrote in message
...

You must remember to Kane, Ron and the other CPS apologists, any
time you provide information that suggests that their Emperor is
naked, really ****es them off Greg.

To a point you are correct kenny. It does tend to irritate me a bit,
but then again these "suggestions" are lies, proven to be lies, and
everyone should object to that. Why don't you? Why do you continue to
support points of view that have been proven to be false time and again
kenny?

don't it becomes a "personal" war for them. They can't destroy the
message so they try to kill the messenger. In their world there is
only ONE view, theirs. Which, of course, is why there is such a
problem with the CPS system.

My views are supported by fact kenny. Verifiable, posted, fact. fx
and gregg cannot claim the same. And if they were to it is quite easy
to point out the errors in their theories with the facts.

No Ron your views are supported by bull**** you and the CPS people
CALL facts.

If you have an alternate set of facts, facts that can be verified, I'll
look them over kenny. Until that happens I'll use the data that is
available. You can call what I have BS if you like, but at least it can
be verified and viewed by anyone with an internet connection.

Oh I think this started with people posting "alternate facts" thta have
you CPS guys foaming at the mouth Ron.

True, to a point. Alternate facts that cannot be supported. Alternate
facts that come from a unreliable source, namely fx's anti-cps friends.
Alternate facts that have been shown to be false.

But then I am asking YOU for an alternate set of facts kenny. Not fx. We
know his, and we know them to be false. Proven false. So, show us what you
have kenny, I'd love to look them over.

Lots of **** is "posted"" Ron and it is bull****. To me the true test is
challenging those "facts" where the evidence supporting both sides is
put to the test of credibility.

I can relate to that. Unfortunately your track record in this area is
totally abysmal. Your credibility as well is completely in the crapper.
So, raise both and maybe, just maybe, someone will take you seriously
kenny.

But you have a vested interest in making that claim. To most people my
credibility is much better than yours and Kanes. Those who figure out that
you guys are here in disguise.

Most people? Please, don't make me laugh. You have one supporter here
kenny. gregg. And a whole passel of sock puppets that show up and go away
again just as quickly. Most people think you are some kind of virus, just
another internet nut-job.

As for disguises, well kenny I have been posting here under the same ID for
more than 10 years. My email address that shows at the top of this post is
a real address, and I actually check it almost every day. gregg and others
have determined that I am indeed a real person, and that I dont hide my
identity behind the internet
anonymity that is so easy to obtain (as you well know).

In a court where BULL**** you read in "POSTS" doesn't cut it. Where
pure **** like your pal's claims of EXPERTISE on Cuba would get him
yanked off the witness stand by the bailiff.

Interesting. What I put in posts is verifiable kenny. Completely
available to anyone. Good in any court in the land. Documented,
validated, official. I cant speak for others, but I do know that you have
a real long track record here of taking other people's statements
completely out of context and applying your own meaning to them. A REAL
long track record. This, more than anything else, is what has trashed
your credibility in this news group. And you have done it to yourself.
Personally, I find that very funny.

And you and Kane do NOT? Long ago I said I would play on the field YOU
guys created.

No kenny, you didnt. And you dont. We provide facts, supported opinion,
and rational commentary. You provide nothing to support your views. Never
have as far as I can tell. Our initial debate showcased that VERY clearly.

Now you bitch about it. Poor baby! Your associate (Kane) and his PRETENSE
of GREAT KNOWLEDGE (expertise) on Cuba is a great example of what you guys
are all about. Not to mention Kanes claims of INVENTING the Internet AND
The computer - and his DOUBLE NAUGHT spying. Not to mention the REST of
his BULL**** GRANDIOSITY!

Your "perspective" of what happens in a court room is a bit ....
different, from what you have posted to date. I have spent quite a bit
of time in court rooms in my life. When one is a Law Enforcement Officer
it comes with the job. I have also spent quite some time in civil
courts, due to my more than 15 years as a foster parent and numerous
adoptions. Yeah, I'd say that your perspective is unlike any other I have
ever heard of.

Yeah cops spend lots of time in courts and have the perspective of the
professional witness who walks into the courthouse with an AGENDA. That
does NOT mean you have a frigging CLUE as to how the actual process works.
Like many cops that are PROFESSIONALS at CPS types of cases they come
loaded for bear and ready to LIE their asses off because in your minds the
end justify ANY AND ALL means! Shall I bring up as a good example
DETECTIVE Bobby Perez in the Wenatchee case? How HE stands as POSTER BOY
for law enforcement in CPS cases?

So, you have one example of ..... maybe 5,000 or so kenny? How ....
feldman-ish (gregg-ish, doug-ish, etc.).

Ron


You see where I sit in the courtrooms and I have been there probably AS
MUCH as you have or more in a 30+ year career, my dealing is with legal
strategy and with evidence. Of course MY perspective is different from any
YOU have heard of because we are on DIFFERENT SIDES Ron! You are on NAIL
the parents side, and I am on the side of the WRONGLY accused.

Hmmm, given the above I'd be willing to bet that I have more court room
time than you do.

Bet you'd lose that one Ronny. You come in flap your jaws and leave.
I'm there for the whole deal, and before and after.

"Ron" wrote in message
...


Oh I think this started with people posting "alternate facts" that
have you CPS guys foaming at the mouth Ron.

True, to a point. Alternate facts that cannot be supported. Alternate
facts that come from a unreliable source, namely fx's anti-cps friends.
Alternate facts that have been shown to be false.


Not to you when you refuse to accept anything that disagrees with your
view of your Emperor's clothing.

DAVID DIP**** MOORE as:
"freedom" wrote in message
d.net...

When was the last time you were in a courtroom? For your bankruptcy?
When
you beat Peggy up? Or your last DUI?

You keep repeating those claims about me Davey. Please document even
ONCE that I had a DUI or hit Peggy much less I was ever in court over it.
You have been making that claim nowe for 10 years. You have access to public
records PUT UP OR SHUT up dip****!


Hmmm, given the above I'd be willing to bet that I have more court room
time than you do.

Bet you'd lose that one Ronny. You come in flap your jaws and leave.
I'm
there for the whole deal, and before and after.

Like you were there for Steven Leuck? Will Rainey? Thomas Walsh?

Let's see Kooky Leuck, Will Rainey who is somebody YOU made up named
after William Rainey Harper College close to where you used to live, and
FAKE messages from Walsh posted NOT by Walsh but by Wilblur Streett. Come up
with something REAL Davey.

" krp" wrote in message
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"Ron" wrote in message
...


Oh I think this started with people posting "alternate facts" that
have you CPS guys foaming at the mouth Ron.

True, to a point. Alternate facts that cannot be supported. Alternate
facts that come from a unreliable source, namely fx's anti-cps friends.
Alternate facts that have been shown to be false.


Not to you when you refuse to accept anything that disagrees with your
view of your Emperor's clothing.

You have given me NOTHING to refuse kenny. I cant refuse what you dont
provide. As for what fx has provided, well that was quickly proven to be
false. Didnt take me long at all, and I fully supported what I said with
data and links. Something fx has yet to do. I could most likely dispose of
what you may provide just as quickly, just as easily. But for me to be able
to do that, you are actually going to have to give us something to look at.
So far, nada.

Where's the beef kenny?

Ron

"Ron" wrote in message
...

Oh I think this started with people posting "alternate facts" that
have you CPS guys foaming at the mouth Ron.

True, to a point. Alternate facts that cannot be supported. Alternate
facts that come from a unreliable source, namely fx's anti-cps friends.
Alternate facts that have been shown to be false.


Not to you when you refuse to accept anything that disagrees with your
view of your Emperor's clothing.

You have given me NOTHING to refuse kenny. I cant refuse what you dont
provide.

Others have provided the data, why must I do the same again? To be
redundant? BTW. I sent Greg a copy of the photo of the farmhouse I was
talking about. Greg will share it with you or I can. I want the CUBA EXPERT
(Kane) to show me the Taxi stand right outside the door, the BUS STOP and
the corner Internet Cafe.... I'd send it here but Verizon won't pass binary
info to a non-binary group.

How about if I send YOU a copy? Or will you accuse me of trying to TRASH
your computer????

Dan wrote
Dozensof kids owe Kane a debt of gratitude
for the fact they're out of fostercare.

DanKane: Your story about how many kids you saved
included numbers which changed.

Do you think this sort of hair splittting is comparable?

Did you think this was a superior strategy?


On Jun 29, 2:18 pm, Dan Sullivan wrote:
in a new thread titled:
Greg's changing his story regarding the facts of CPS' input in his
psych eval!
Up till yesterday Greg Hanson claimed more than a dozen times
(starting on 5-29-2001) that one of CPS' input parameters/concerns in
his psych eval was "Need to be the victim"

His new version is CPS' "input into the psych eval said that I
""perceived myself"" to be an assault victim."

What prompted the change, Greg?

Why the new version?

On Jun 29, 4:00 pm, Greegor wrote:
Dan wrote

Dozensof kids owe Kane a debt of gratitude
for the fact they're out of fostercare.

DanKane: Your story about how many kids you saved
included numbers which changed.

So?

Do you think this sort of hair splittting is comparable?

What hair splitting?

Did you think this was a superior strategy?

What was?

On Jun 29, 2:18 pm, Dan Sullivan wrote:
in a new thread titled:
Greg's changing his story regarding the facts of CPS' input in his
psych eval!

This is a different thread!

Stick to the right thread, Greg.