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Old June 23rd 03, 10:50 PM
P. Tierney
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"Stevet Thompson" wrote in message
om...
Banty wrote in message

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[snip]
I'm really, really down deep disgusted with the whole tobacco thing.

It's a
really stupid, addictive, expensive (personally and to society),

destructive,
valueless thing to be defending, to be calling on others' tolerance

continually
for.


As a smoker who finds many common habits of non-smoker's somewhat
irritating, I'll state that as long as people like you can find
nothing better to whine about, I will be grinding my cigarette butts
into the sidewalk, or tossing them wherever I want. I will smoke
indoors whenever I feel there's a reasonable chance that I won't get
caught.


The Problem, Exhibit A.



P. Tierney


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Old June 24th 03, 12:39 AM
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"Pockets of Resistance" wrote in message
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On 23 Jun 2003 08:49:31 -0700, Banty wrote:

Come back with another "Aint it Awful" about something else "for the
chiiiillldren" - the OP really blew it and picked the wrong subject for

this
one!


No, I didn't.

The law was specifically passed to keep the very *sight* of people
smoking away from The Children. It explains why smoking is allowed in
parts of the park where The Children are not encouraged to congregate.


a local anti-smoking lobby released last week the scintillating fact that,
in the year prior to taking up smoking, x percent of teenagers had seen a
character in a film smoking - therefore characters in films shouldn't smoke
because it clearly leads to children commencing the habit. it's hard to know
whether to laugh or cry, sometimes.

I guess today's parents are so gutless and uninfluential in their
children's lives that such protection is needed.


no - you're just trying to have a dig at parents which is unwarranted. by
the time children commence smoking their parent's influence is, by nature,
greatly lessened, because it is the nature of humans to break free of
parental bonds at that age.

if you want to have a dig at someone, put it at the feet of people who
propose dubious laws. it sounds to me like *they* wish to have control out
of all proportion to their entitlement to do so.
kylie
--
First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not
speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I
was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was
not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no
one left to speak out for me.
~ Martin Niemoeller


  #23  
Old June 24th 03, 01:56 AM
==Daye==
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:33:13 +1000, "0tterbot"
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but from a practical p.o.v. - who on earth would know the number, be able to
write down the car's numberplate while tooling down the highway, etc. it's
all a bit hard in practice, innit. it *is* nice to see that it will work if
pursued, though!


There was a story on "A Current Affair" or "Today Tonight" about
a man who has a notepad attached to his dash. He writes down all
the number plates of people throwing butts out the window. He
then calls and dobs them in.

He probably isn't the only person who does it.

==Daye==
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Old June 24th 03, 02:24 AM
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"P. Tierney" wrote in message news:[email protected]
"Stevet Thompson" wrote in message
om...
Banty wrote in message

...
[snip]
I'm really, really down deep disgusted with the whole tobacco thing.

It's a
really stupid, addictive, expensive (personally and to society),

destructive,
valueless thing to be defending, to be calling on others' tolerance

continually
for.


As a smoker who finds many common habits of non-smoker's somewhat
irritating, I'll state that as long as people like you can find
nothing better to whine about, I will be grinding my cigarette butts
into the sidewalk, or tossing them wherever I want. I will smoke
indoors whenever I feel there's a reasonable chance that I won't get
caught.


The Problem, Exhibit A.


Fortunately, there is no anti-smoker SWAT battalion in this city, and
so the burden of proof is on non-smokers, who will have to follow me
around wherever I travel in the hopes of catching me with a lit smoke.
Further, since anti-smoking laws are by nature municipal, there is no
legal precident which would allow j. random citizen to apprehend or
detain. Therefore, I feel quite confident that when I smoke in your
office-tower's stairwell, or in the bathroom, or even when I blow
smoke in your church's HVAC intake, there is little chance that I'll
be inconvenienced in the slightest even if caught.


Regards,

Steve

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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
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Old June 24th 03, 03:49 AM
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"Stevet Thompson" wrote in message
om...
"P. Tierney" wrote in message

news:[email protected]
"Stevet Thompson" wrote in message
om...
Banty wrote in message

...
[snip]
I'm really, really down deep disgusted with the whole tobacco thing.

It's a
really stupid, addictive, expensive (personally and to society),

destructive,
valueless thing to be defending, to be calling on others' tolerance

continually
for.

As a smoker who finds many common habits of non-smoker's somewhat
irritating, I'll state that as long as people like you can find
nothing better to whine about, I will be grinding my cigarette butts
into the sidewalk, or tossing them wherever I want. I will smoke
indoors whenever I feel there's a reasonable chance that I won't get
caught.


The Problem, Exhibit A.


Fortunately, there is no anti-smoker SWAT battalion in this city, and
so the burden of proof is on non-smokers, who will have to follow me
around wherever I travel in the hopes of catching me with a lit smoke.
Further, since anti-smoking laws are by nature municipal, there is no
legal precident which would allow j. random citizen to apprehend or
detain. Therefore, I feel quite confident that when I smoke in your
office-tower's stairwell, or in the bathroom, or even when I blow
smoke in your church's HVAC intake, there is little chance that I'll
be inconvenienced in the slightest even if caught.


Maybe I'll leave by your credo and start dropping the drawers
and crapping in public places. And they don't like the smell -- tough!
I'm livin' free, man!!! And there are no anti-crapper SWAT battalions
in this city, so people will have to follow me around to catch me.
And then what?!?! No legal precedent allows j.random citizen to
apprehend and detain me and my crap.

So... yeah! Let's give those uptight !^@#@ what they deserve!!!
If they don't like the smell of my feces on the street, they can go
to freakin' China!

Man, I feel so intelligent.



P.
Tierney


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Old June 24th 03, 04:22 AM
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In article , ==Daye== says...

On 23 Jun 2003 09:51:05 -0700, Banty
wrote:

If this were an anti-cursing law, I'd be with you.


I wouldn't. Cursing happens in the real world. Children hear
whether you want them to or not. Words like "ass," "hell," and
"damn" are even on TV.


You misunderstand. Read it again. I wouldn't support an anti-cursing law.

Banty

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Old June 24th 03, 04:25 AM
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In article , "LaTreen says...

x-no-archive: yes

Do you raise as big a fuss when people change diapers in public?

Do you object when people bring their children into public pools
wearing swim diapers (that release fecal matter - a PROVEN
health hazard) into public pools?

Both are an entitlement issue with parents. How many times are
diapers changed in cafes and airplanes?

I WILL smoke outside. When I wait for a bus - I go under the shelter
with everyone else and I DO light up. If people are there with children
I make a point to stand by them. You can take your ill-behaved children
anywhere you want. I WILL smoke where ever I am allowed to by law.
If they don't like it, they can move - that's the entitlement attitude that
applies to me when your children are obnoxious and ill-mannered.

There is an law against smoking in an athletic field near my house and I
will
smoke there until I am fined for it. If I am fined, I will drag the case out
in
court as long as I can to run up the cost and waste the town's money.

I see the litter left behind by breeders from little league and the feces
left
from the dog owners.

These people don't care about the public - why should I?

LaTreen Washington


The Problem Exhibit B.

Banty

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Old June 24th 03, 05:04 AM
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Banty wrote in message ...
In article ,
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Well, the law being that certain folks will have to leave a nasty, destructive
habit at home, the only harm would be that there's a law. Unecessary laws are
bad.


Yes, unnecessary laws are, IMO, VERY bad. I don't like restricting
anyone's freedom unnecessary.

But, in tha face of "**** you", "what's your problem", butts and ashes flicked
everywhere, folks have not much option but to put up with the crap, not use the
park, or take public spaces back via laws. Folks are tired of it. I put the
blame for the laws square at the feet of a lot of the smokers.


I put the blame for the laws square at the feet of those who propose
them and lobby for them. Why are they seeking a solution through the
law and why are they insisting on banning smoking whether they are
around to be bothered or not?


Oh - I dunno - mebbe it's "**** You", keyed cars, and other general intimidation
that people meet up with nowdays when asking for consideration. It's the only
real answser to pervasive social intimidation - the force of law.

I'm sorry, but let me see if I have this straight. You feel that the
society you live in is so pervasively rude that we need to require
courtesy (such as not smoking around those who object) by force of law
if we expect to get it? And that requiring people not to smoke
OUTDOORS WHEN NO ONE ELSE IS AROUND is a reasonable cost if that's
what it takes? Am I correctly interpreting your opinon?

You should pretty much assume that there are *always* people around to be
bothered. It fits reality much better (in fact, pusing this notion in itself is
a form of social intimidation) than assuming that folks who are bothered by
smoking are a small group of curmugeons.


I'm not assuming that folks who are bothered by smoking are a small
group of curmugeons. I'm assuming that it isn't too much trouble, in
an outdoor setting, for them to either remove themselves from the
offender or to ask the offender to stop. I'll grant you that the
offender may not always stop, but that's really a rare occurrance,
especially if one asks politely. Further, I think the small minority
of smokers who won't accomodate such a request is going to be the same
small minority that would flaut the law if there were one.

Actually, the person I think you're referring to has stated that he
would, if requested, stop or move. He's also talked about how rudely
he has seen non-smokers behave when asking smokers to quit. I think he
has a point. I've never had a smoker be rude to me and insist on
continuing to blow smoke into my face. I suspect that those who
regularly encounter rude smokers are, to some extent, creating the
situation by being rude in way they phrase their request to stop. Not
always, but I'm certain it happens sometimes. I don't think that the
smokers are entirely to blame for the problem.


I *have* seen smokers be rude in response to reasonable, quiet requests. And,
like I've said elsewhere, smoking being so inherently intrusive and
trash-producing, it doens't take much inconsideration to make a huge impact.


A *huge* impact in an outdoor setting? I think this is an
exaggeration.

And, as has been pointed out, as with other innately smelly and bothersome and
intrusive things, the burden is on the SMOKER to be discreet and polite.

"Mind if I fart?"


Not at all madam. Fart all you like. However, I think I will take
this opportune time to bid you adieu. It's been an interesting
conversation, but I have other things to attend to. ANd I'd just as
soon leave before the atmosphere deteriates.
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Old June 24th 03, 11:05 AM
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"==Daye==" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:33:13 +1000, "0tterbot"
wrote:

but from a practical p.o.v. - who on earth would know the number, be able

to
write down the car's numberplate while tooling down the highway, etc.

it's
all a bit hard in practice, innit. it *is* nice to see that it will work

if
pursued, though!


There was a story on "A Current Affair" or "Today Tonight" about
a man who has a notepad attached to his dash. He writes down all
the number plates of people throwing butts out the window. He
then calls and dobs them in.

He probably isn't the only person who does it.


probably not. i hope he also writes down people who run red lights - a habit
which has reached epic proportions in my area.
kylie


 




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