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Old June 26th 07, 11:04 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.support.divorce,misc.kids
Greegor
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Default foster mother competent to stand trial on charges she abused a child, including stabbing her eyes.

On Jun 26, 3:00 pm, "0:-]" wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:44:34 -0700, Greegor
wrote:

What a relief for the agency!
Instead of approving and protecting a complete friggin mental case
for ten years, they approved and protected a friggin
CRIMINAL CHILD ABUSER because they see Fosters
as their allies.


Kane wrote
Greg, prove they KNEW.


The legal term is "KNEW OR SHOULD HAVE KNOWN".
This avoids a lot of deniability for the agencies.

16 abuse reports and you want to pose like they didn't KNOW?

Hah!

Don't you think it takes a complete SICKO to poke a kids
eyes with needles?


Yep. And you have claimed WE can't tell an abused child when we see
one.

Well if we can't, then surely CPS can't tell an abuser when they see
one. That's why they investigate.

Now what were the results of their investigations?

The girl denied everything, until this most recent assault. Or have
you forgotten that?

You who claim children lie but CPS believes them.


This story doesn't refute that!

She lied (under threat) and CPS believed her.

But 16 abuse reports from all kinds of people??

How come the Foster application process didn't
catch somebody sick enough to poke needles
into a kids eyes?


Where on the app does it ask, "do you stick needles in children's
eyes?"

Do they need to make that a question on the
Foster application form?


Nope. The system puckered up, Greg. Aren't you satisfied knowing that
and wouldn't you like it to improve?


CPS makes things worse not better.
This abuser was a FOSTER CONTRACTOR!

Did you read the Newstribune's comment on short of staff, overloaded
workers?


16 abuse reports from many reporters swept under
the rug and this is all you can come up with?

"Do you ever feel compelled to do sadistic things to children?"


You'd be surprised what questions they are asked during the home study
process.


Is it the same sort of home study I've seen for the kin here?
First one didn't even mention the PROZAC!
Second one barely mentioned Prozac, didn't address the
way Prozac was being taken UNRELIABLY, and the
home study idiot let the form become a platform for
a raging mental case to make wild impossible accusations!

Clearly the "home study" is not reasonable, impartial,
investigative or done to protect children.

It's more of a political tool, subject to
being completely warped to serve agency interests.

"Do you ever have the urge to stick needles into a childs eyes?"


Gosh, I did not read ahead but managed to predict you would ask that.

Just imagine the law suits they could avoid!


They cannot avoid "lawsuits." In this country you can bring a suit for
just about anything you wish.

Which BUREAUCRAT thought they were helping the
agencies by dead ending the 16 reports of abuse?


You are lying, if you read the article. Until the very end, when the
woman was caught, the little girl, out of fear, lied for her.


16 abuse reports from all over and you think that clinches it?
Even a CASEWORKER knew this one stunk,
but the SUPERVISION wanted it dead ended.

This is the same kind of behavior that bio-parents that neglect and
abuse do, Greg.


If a parent had 16 abuse reports coming from 10 different places
I think they might be looked at a bit more AGGRESSIVELY than
this Foster was!

Particularly if they were as BELLIGERANT as this Foster was.

I notice you seem all too ready to forgive or excuse them, but are
having a "Alien" thrashing fit because it's a foster parent.

Do you honestly believe that CPS wants children hurt like this?


In my family's case they committed PERJURY to make a case.
They used a placement who was a mental case taking Prozac
unreliably. When they got caught with their ass hanging out
they actively worked to conceal their own faults even after
it was way too late. They maintained a case they KNEW was
based on a huge LIE. Their mental case caretakers even
got belligerant, LIED TO THEM and went AWOL out of state
with the kid and they minimized, ignored and covered up like crazy.
We TOLD THEM the grandma was having VASCULAR DEMENTIA
and they strongly resisted having her checked for that.
Years later we find out in court that she
had "VASCULAR DEMENTIA" whaddya know?!

They knowingly endangered the child.

They place the needs of their own ass above
the needs of any mere child client.

The interests of the workers and their agency take priority.

They "circle their wagons" as a recent article said.

Even the best of them, the out of town caseworker
brought on for DAMAGE CONTROL feels ashamed.
She KNOWS the case stinks, knows her co-workers
lied to make a case and were malicious.
She actually said that she knows that some of
her co-workers do some terrible things.
But she hasn't moved to REPAIR anything,
and that would of course be her duty.
Wouldn't it Kane?

And how is it you are all wound up with CPS and the foster parents,
and thinking nothing about the little girl?

Personally I want her to sue, and sue big time, because unlike YOU,
little ****ant, she has a real case here that deserves her being
compensated for all she can get, not your whining little "CPS lied
about me and did me wrong."

YOU asshole, were NOT hurt, regardless of what YOU think.

This little girl was.

And the pockets this should come out of are two...the perp, the foster
mother, and the state for not doing the impossible...not being able to
catch her.

Not because it's "their" fault, but because a responsible society WILL
take care of the victim when such things happen.


That's not how the legal logic works and you know it.
"KNEW OR SHOULD HAVE KNOWN" is what the law suits say.

You simply want CPS destroyed. Forgetting all the parents that do
similar and WORSE to their own children, Greg...except of course when
you can blame CPS for that TOO.


Less than 1% of all Child Removal cases involve horrors like this.

A chunk are preventive, like Meth Head parents.

The vast majority are for stuff that should not be cases.

What a strange person you are.

Have you sent the little girl your own personal check to help her?

Or are you ready to give her legal advice as you have done with others
here, and totally destroy her life?


Lawyers are probably lining up to take this "needles in the eyes"
case!

16 abuse reports, needles in eyes, lots of other abuse

What do you think the state will pay to keep this OUT of the hands of
a jury?

If it went to a JURY, what do you think it would draw?



On Jun 26, 9:57 am, fx wrote:
Foster mother competent to stand trial
A King County judge finds a local foster mother competent to stand trial
on charges she abused a child, including stabbing her eyes.


SEAN ROBINSON; The News Tribune
Published: June 26th, 2007 01:00 AM


http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/l...ory/96223.html


A South Sound woman charged with two counts of assaulting and torturing
her foster daughter - including stabbing the child's eyes with
hypodermic needles - was found competent Monday to stand trial.


King County Superior Court Judge Palmer Robinson ruled Chornice Lewis
competent after examining a psychological evaluation conducted at
Western State Hospital. Contents of the evaluation are confidential;
Robinson ordered it sealed from public view.


Lewis, 33, clad in a red jail jumpsuit, said little during the brief
hearing, apart from nodding when the judge asked whether she would
accept a continuance of the trial date, now set for Sept. 25.


The finding of competency returned her to the King County Jail. She
spent most of the last year at Western State, after she was ordered to
undergo a competency evaluation.


A story in Sunday's News Tribune - "Tortu The state fails a young
girl" - described Lewis' 10-year stint as a licensed foster mother and
the treatment endured by her foster daughter, now 16.


Records from the state Department of Social and Health Services show the
girl was abused for years, and never removed from Lewis' home, despite
16 complaints of abuse and neglect reported to the state by neighbors,
teachers and police.


The girl was rescued from Lewis' home in January 2006, following the
16th and final complaint. Subsequent medical examinations revealed a
host of injuries, including blunt-force trauma to the child's hands and
feet, burns, fractures and blindness in one eye.


In an internal review of the Lewis case, completed in February, DSHS
leaders blamed "a system breakdown" for the failure to protect the girl.
No DSHS employees associated with the Lewis case faced discipline as a
result of the review.


How to help


Several readers who responded to Sunday's story about the Chornice Lewis
case asked how to send aid or comfort to the unnamed young woman at the
center of the story.


The News Tribune does not have direct access to the girl or her new
foster parent - the information is not a public record, and the state
Department of Social and Health Services has not revealed it.


Monday, the newspaper gave the agency questions from readers who wanted
to know how to help.


DSHS spokeswoman Kathy Spears said readers could donate to an
organization called Tree House, which helps all children in foster care
with extras and clothing. Here is a link to the Tree House Web site:www.treehouse4kids.org/about/news.htm.


CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
SECURITY AGENCY/CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WIRETAPPING PROGRAM....


CPS Does not protect children...
It is sickening how many children are subject to abuse, neglect and even
killed at the hands of Child Protective Services.


every parent should read this .pdf from
connecticut dcf watch...


http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com/8x11.pdf


http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com


Number of Cases per 100,000 children in the US
These numbers come from The National Center on
Child Abuse and Neglect in Washington. (NCCAN)
Recent numbers have increased significantly for CPS


*Perpetrators of Maltreatment*


Physical Abuse CPS 160, Parents 59
Sexual Abuse CPS 112, Parents 13
Neglect CPS 410, Parents 241
Medical Neglect CPS 14 Parents 12
Fatalities CPS 6.4, Parents 1.5


Imagine that, 6.4 children die at the hands of the very agencies that
are supposed to protect them and only 1.5 at the hands of parents per
100,000 children. CPS perpetrates more abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse
and kills more children then parents in the United States. If the
citizens of this country hold CPS to the same standards that they hold
parents too. No judge should ever put another child in the hands of ANY
government agency because CPS nationwide is guilty of more harm and
death than any human being combined. CPS nationwide is guilty of more
human rights violations and deaths of children then the homes from which
they were removed. When are the judges going to wake up and see that
they are sending children to their death and a life of abuse when
children are removed from safe homes based on the mere opinion of a
bunch of social workers.


BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEY
ARE "FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...-


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Old June 27th 07, 01:53 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.support.divorce,misc.kids
firemonkey
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Default foster mother competent to stand trial on charges she abused a child, including stabbing her eyes.

On Jun 26, 4:41 pm, "0:-]" wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:04:22 -0700, Greegor
wrote:

On Jun 26, 3:00 pm, "0:-]" wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:44:34 -0700, Greegor
wrote:


What a relief for the agency!
Instead of approving and protecting a complete friggin mental case
for ten years, they approved and protected a friggin
CRIMINAL CHILD ABUSER because they see Fosters
as their allies.


Kane wrote
Greg, prove they KNEW.


The legal term is "KNEW OR SHOULD HAVE KNOWN".


And should have known does not mean what you think it does.

I could easily ACCUSE YOU OF HAVING SHOULD HAVE KNOWN Greg, but that
does not mean that you were negligent or evil in any way.

It means there should have been some way for the system to track and
or recover information...that does not exist.

This avoids a lot of deniability for the agencies.


The syntax of that sentence is totally pucked, Greg.

16 abuse reports and you want to pose like they didn't KNOW?


I don't need to pose. I can read.

Are you wishing to claim they KNEW OF THE ABUSE AND TOLERATED IT
BECAUSE THEY ARE EVIL?



Hah!


Hah, back atcha, Greg. You have this delusion that CPS workers are
evil villains, Greg.

How is it they simply, when they KNEW the last time, they didn't just
leave her there? For more torture?



Don't you think it takes a complete SICKO to poke a kids
eyes with needles?


Yep. And you have claimed WE can't tell an abused child when we see
one.


Well if we can't, then surely CPS can't tell an abuser when they see
one. That's why they investigate.


Now what were the results of their investigations?


The girl denied everything, until this most recent assault. Or have
you forgotten that?


You who claim children lie but CPS believes them.


This story doesn't refute that!


Greg, it shows that what you or I believe about children is NOT the
issue. FACTS are.

The fact is the child gave plausible excuses for her injuries.

Until the end.



She lied (under threat) and CPS believed her.


Yep. And? Why would CPS NOT believe her? Because they are evil
monsters that want children tortured?



But 16 abuse reports from all kinds of people??


No, not "from all kinds of people."

Read the story.

How come the Foster application process didn't
catch somebody sick enough to poke needles
into a kids eyes?


Where on the app does it ask, "do you stick needles in children's
eyes?"


Do they need to make that a question on the
Foster application form?


Nope. The system puckered up, Greg. Aren't you satisfied knowing that
and wouldn't you like it to improve?


CPS makes things worse not better.
This abuser was a FOSTER CONTRACTOR!


How did it make things worse in this case, Greg? What would YOU have
done to uncover this criminal that CPS COULD LEGALLY DO?

Go ahead. Show us. I've asked you before, and continue to rant but NOT
provide YOUR solution.



Did you read the Newstribune's comment on short of staff, overloaded
workers?


16 abuse reports from many reporters swept under
the rug and this is all you can come up with?


How were they swept under the rug, Greg, if in fact the girl was
interviewed for many of them and DENIED THE ABUSE? And claimed
injuries from other sources?

What you are doing is what the author of the article did. It's called
"second guessing." It's very easy to ASSUME after the horrific details
are finally available, that someone did something wrong.

The ONLY person that did anything wrong was the foster caretaker.

"Do you ever feel compelled to do sadistic things to children?"


You'd be surprised what questions they are asked during the home study
process.


Is it the same sort of home study I've seen for the kin here?


You aren't allowed to see a home study, Greg. You are making things up
again. Even Lisa would not be allowed to see it. It is between the
agency and the subjects, and I've a surprise for you even there. Very
few states will allow the SUBJECT OF THE HOMESTUDY to actually see it.

It's a decision making tool for the agency, not the person studied.

First one didn't even mention the PROZAC!


And how did YOU manage to SEE this home study, Greg?

Second one barely mentioned Prozac, didn't address the
way Prozac was being taken UNRELIABLY, and the
home study idiot let the form become a platform for
a raging mental case to make wild impossible accusations!


You are very likely lying again, Greg. It is highly unlikely that you
OR Lisa would be privy to a home study, especially on someone else.

Even the subject of the study is NOT given a copy.

Clearly the "home study" is not reasonable, impartial,
investigative or done to protect children.


Really? Post it here. I'll judge that for myself, if you don't mind.
Your judgement seems colored by your EIOTGMS.

It's more of a political tool, subject to
being completely warped to serve agency interests.


Which would be?

Greg, unless I'm mistaken, the child provided NO federal funding for
CPS. At best it COST the state to place the child...as the most she'd
be eligible for would be a very small foster subsidy. And that is NOT
allowed to be funded by Title IV-E unless the child comes from an
indigent family...below a certain level of income with a lot of
community services in place to replace income the family does not
have, to pay for it themselves.

You folks been lying about this issue for a very long time.



"Do you ever have the urge to stick needles into a childs eyes?"


Gosh, I did not read ahead but managed to predict you would ask that.


Just imagine the law suits they could avoid!


They cannot avoid "lawsuits." In this country you can bring a suit for
just about anything you wish.


Which BUREAUCRAT thought they were helping the
agencies by dead ending the 16 reports of abuse?


You are lying, if you read the article. Until the very end, when the
woman was caught, the little girl, out of fear, lied for her.


16 abuse reports from all over and you think that clinches it?


Yep.

Even a CASEWORKER knew this one stunk,
but the SUPERVISION wanted it dead ended.


Why? The foster parent was her lesbian lover, Greg?

Who was this "supervision" you refer to?

And what profit would there be in dead ending the case?

Just a sadist that likes to think that children are being tortured?

Is that what you believe?

This is the same kind of behavior that bio-parents that neglect and
abuse do, Greg.


If a parent had 16 abuse reports coming from 10 different places
I think they might be looked at a bit more AGGRESSIVELY than
this Foster was!


On the contrary, Greg, just such things have happened and you were
among the early passengers on the bandwagon screaming how CPS failed
the child.

Particularly if they were as BELLIGERANT as this Foster was.


Nope. Got nothing to do with it, and the foster parent was not
particularly belligerent until the very end of her game.

Learn to read and remember.

Oh wait, if you remembered accurately you could not lie. Or could you?

I notice you seem all too ready to forgive or excuse them, but are
having a "Alien" thrashing fit because it's a foster parent.


Do you honestly believe that CPS wants children hurt like this?


In my family's case they committed PERJURY to make a case.


I asked you a question. Are you planning on answering?

They used a placement who was a mental case taking Prozac
unreliably.


The grandfather was not present in the home? How about the girl's
father himself? Was he not available for respite, or even living
there?

When they got caught with their ass hanging out
they actively worked to conceal their own faults even after
it was way too late.


Back to Greg's EIOTGMS.

They maintained a case they KNEW was
based on a huge LIE.


Huge lie? When the subject of the claim has an admitted history of
being present when someone else's little girl is showering, and in
fact creating situations, like cold showers for punishment, TO BE
PRESENT?

Their mental case caretakers even
got belligerant, LIED TO THEM and went AWOL out of state
with the kid and they minimized, ignored and covered up like crazy.


Both the g'pa and g'ma are mentally ill?

I thought g'pa's judgement was pretty sound, and apparently so did the
judge that gave him a slap on the wrist...probably a grand parent him
or herself, I'd bet.

We TOLD THEM the grandma was having VASCULAR DEMENTIA


Greg, if your performance when you "told," ( you would be better to
say "accused, screeched, blamed, and ranted") was up to the standards
of truth and accuracy you display here I'm not the least surprised
that you were not believed.

and they strongly resisted having her checked for that.


The court resisted? Checked how?

A psych eval?

You wanted one for g'ma, though YOU, an unrelated male, living ALONE
with this child while mother was at work, REFUSED TO HAVE A PSYCH
EVAL?

Years later we find out in court that she
had "VASCULAR DEMENTIA" whaddya know?!


So any family that has a member of the family with "VASCULAR DEMENTIA"
should have CPS come and remove the children of that family. Is that
what you mean?

Or should it be only grandparents that don't care for the sit on his
ass for three years on "Sabbatical" shower room attendant boyfriend
mom moved into the home?



They knowingly endangered the child.


So any family that has a member of the family with "VASCULAR DEMENTIA"
should not be allowed to have children in that home because it would
be endangering the children?

Do I understand your argument correctly, or is it just THIS family,
and no others that must meet your standard, or CPS is knowingly
endangering the child?

They place the needs of their own ass above
the needs of any mere child client.


I think they made a choice of the lesser of two evils, and rather than
place her outside ...

read more


And what about mommie? The first person to fail this child. Her drug
use was more important to her than her own baby. The little sweetheart
was given away like a mongrel puppy. greg, ask Lisa to explain this to
us,what does it feel like to offer your own daughter up for abuse and
torture. What does she tell herself to make it all okay?

Firemonkey


 




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