I was afraid it would come to this...

z e l d a b e e,

You've gotten enough advice and ideas already. I
just want to commend you in your struggle and hope it
works out for you whatever you do. This battle is an
indication of how much you care for your child, and
that attitude will pay off for the rest of his life!

Marvin

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"Circe" wrote in message
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zeldabee wrote:
Has anyone else reached this point? How do I wrap my mind around
giving him formula after all I've been doing?

First off: {{{{{{hugs}}}}}} I think you need them. Whatever happens,
you've
done GREAT. Don't berate yourself and feel inadequate. Things are as they
are.

Now, having got that out of the way, here are couple of things to consider
before you resign yourself to formula:

1. It's quite possible that now that you've gone back to work, your baby
will go back to nursing more at night and needing a bit less milk during
the
day. It may just take a few weeks for him to get back into that pattern.
But, if he does, you may find that, at a minimum, your freezer stash lasts
a
little longer than you currently think it will.

2. Since he's now in the "window" for solids introduction, what about
offering him a small amount of solids at daycare as a way to "tide him
over"? If he's showing signs of readiness by the time your freezer stash
runs out, adding some solids to his diet at 4.5 or 5 months is not likely
to
harm him and even a couple of ounces of a little something in addition to
the milk you're providing might well be enough to keep him happy. One of
the
reasons my oldest started solids so early (a little before 4 months,
actually, much though it chagrins me to admit it) was because I was having
a
bit of trouble keeping up with him with milk. Adding just a couple of
ounces
of cereal to his daily food supply was enough to avoid formula.


Thats what I was thinking as well.

"zeldabee" wrote in message
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Dagny was all, like:
"zeldabee" wrote in message
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Yesterday, I got a call from daycare at about 4:00 saying that
they'd run out of milk for (4-month-old) Sprogly. [...]

I am completely ignorant because (1) I haven't pumped and (2) I
haven't felt a letdown so I only think I know what it is.

For me it's a tingling, it almost stings. It's unmistakable.

Almost? U guys are lucky. Mine HURTS.

3 10mg tablets, 3x/day (with breakfast, lunch, and supper). And,
obviously,
I don't need a boost at night, just during the day.

I asked this question the other day, but didn't get a reply, so might as
well ask again, just in case: does anyone here know anything about oxytocin
nasal spray?

Well, you are doing the domperidone right. I don't think you can take more
than that. Let me look into the oxytocin spray and I'll get back to you.

Corrine ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ~*~
I'd rather be a mother, than anyone on earth.
Bringing up a child or two, of unpretentious birth.
I'd rather nurse a rosy babe, with warm lips on my breast,
Than wear a queen's medallion, above a heart less blest.
I'd rather tuck a little child, all safe and sound in bed.
Than twine a chain of diamonds, about my foolish head.
I'd rather wash a smudgy face, with round, bright baby eyes.
Than paint the pageantry of fame, or walk among the wise.
- Meredith Gray

How often does he
eat?

On demand, but it's hard to get a more specific answer than that from the
DCP.


Make sure they're not throwing out "leftovers" -- send smaller bottles if
they've got a rule against re-serving the same bottle more than once.

As it is, they're complaining that I hold him too much at home, and that he
won't be put down at daycare now. Don't know what I can do about that...

Find a different childcare provider who's willing to hold him! At least,
that's what I would do, but then, that was the main reason I hired a nanny
rather than using daycare in the first place. I'm sure you're happy with your
Daycare Lady overall, but really, you need to make her understand that her
criticizing your parenting is Just Not Acceptable. You hired her to make your
life easier, not the other way around. I do NOT understand why so many
childcare people accuse parents of holding their babies "too much". Ain't no
such thing.

Holly
Mom to Camden, almost 3
EDD #2 6/8/04

Here's what i found on the spray from
http://www.breastfeed.com/experts/answers/155.htm

Question:

Is oxytocin nasal spray used to encourage let down?

Answer:


Historically, oxytocin nasal spray (Syntocinon) was used in cases with
difficult or impaired milk ejection reflex. This medication is related to
the oxytocin (Pitocin) used to stimulate uterine contractions to accelerate
labor. However, the product is difficult to access and it was taken off the
market several years ago due to lack of demand and price. (It is/was very
expensive.) There are some pharmacies that will compound the spray at
special request by a physician. One caution though: the body can become
dependent upon the spray and become unable to achieve an independent let
down. Most lactation specialists recommend that it be used for several days
only.

still, might be worth asking your doctor about. Good luck.


--
Corrine ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ~*~
I'd rather be a mother, than anyone on earth.
Bringing up a child or two, of unpretentious birth.
I'd rather nurse a rosy babe, with warm lips on my breast,
Than wear a queen's medallion, above a heart less blest.
I'd rather tuck a little child, all safe and sound in bed.
Than twine a chain of diamonds, about my foolish head.
I'd rather wash a smudgy face, with round, bright baby eyes.
Than paint the pageantry of fame, or walk among the wise.
- Meredith Gray

zeldabee wrote:
Yesterday, I got a call from daycare at about 4:00 saying that they'd run
out of milk for (4-month-old) Sprogly.

Could you try to pump a couple of extra sessions at
home during the weekend? I've been pumping after the
2 or 3 am feedings and getting maybe 1/2 oz. or 1 oz.
each time. If I can pump 4 times over the weekend,
getting 1 oz. each time, that's a 4-oz. bottle. It's
the little increments like that that help me make it
through the week.

Keep up the good work! I know how hard you're working
on pumping for Sprogly (from the Pumpmoms list).

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"zeldabee" wrote in message
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Has anyone else reached this point? How do I wrap my mind around giving
him
formula after all I've been doing?


I was in your position a little over a year ago. I pumped three times a day
a day at work and at home in the morning and after a certain point just
could not keep up. From about 9 months to a year my dd had one to two
bottles of formula at daycare in addition to EBM. I was really, really
upset about it. And then I got over it, because you have to do what you
have to do. I was trying really hard and sometimes these things happen.
Don't beat yourself up...you're making a huge effort and every little bit
counts. Please know you're not alone in having this situation.

Nancy

you may yet manage to get enough milk for him, or he may decrease the
amount he takes, I recall at around this stage milk consumption was
peaking, then gradually he started taking longer naps, so cut out one
of his feeds at daycare. When ds was a similar age to sprogly he
sometimes took 2 6oz bottles in 4 hours,

That's good to hear...so, he's eating less at daycare now?

yes, 1 4oz bottle in 4 hours, he's gone for the whole day today, I've sent
him with 3 4oz bottles, but there is a possibility he'll last til I get
there.

I often had to send the
second bottle as a carton of formula (if you do use formula you might
find the small readymixed cartons are actual better value if it's not
used regularly, we found with a tin we would waste some as it had to
be prepared in advance and then not always eaten). How often does he
eat?

On demand, but it's hard to get a more specific answer than that from the
DCP.

LOL, I ask every day exactly what he's had and try and adjust what I send
accordingly, one day last week, I threw 4oz down the sink when it came
home half eaten :-(.

Is there anyway of distracting him?

Not really...and all things being equal, I'd rather he be able to eat when
he's hungry.

Fair enough, again, he a couple of weeks things could have changed a lot,
my ds is very easily distracted, he loves other children, if he stays late
there are children of a variety of ages that seem to be able to distract
him for about an hour til I get there. But a couple of months ago, when he
needed food, he needed food and he'd let you know about it!

As it is, they're complaining that I hold him too much at home, and that he
won't be put down at daycare now. Don't know what I can do about that...He
does seem less willing to amuse himself now than he was before my holiday,
but he'll often play by himself while I'm in the room doing something else,
so I'd think they'd be able to work with him at daycare.

yikes, you don't get much time with him anyway, of course you want to hold
him.

Of course, there's always the problem of interpreting his signals, but I
actually think they're better at it than me...I first assume that he's
hungry when he fusses, then move on to other things if feeding him doesn't
make him happy, while they (or, the main Daycare Lady) seems to know when
he's hungry versus tired versus bored. (I can usually tell "tired" now, but
get "hungry" and "play with me" mixed up.)

yep, I had the same problem, now as he feeds less frequently I tend to
thing "play with me" before I think "hungry" and feel very stupid after
trying for a bit an realising that he meant "hungry", I'm sure he is
thinking "silly mummy, isn't this obvious!"

"zeldabee" wrote in message
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Yesterday, I got a call from daycare at about 4:00 saying that they'd run
out of milk for (4-month-old) Sprogly. I'd sent 20oz, which was more than
he
was eating each day last week.

Query... what pump are you using and have you tried different ones?

I ask because when I pumped with certain pumps, I didn't let down at all.
Not one bit. With others, it was like geysers. And the Medela standard
attachment is one that doesn't work for me a bit. Keep in mind it was 10
years ago, but the Ameda flex-shield did much better for me. I haven't
gotten to try many others.

Jenrose