Arizona - CPS Case Worker Admits Credit Card Fraud

On Dec 31, 11:58 am, Greegor wrote:
On Dec 31, 8:52 am, LK wrote:



On Dec 30, 11:51 pm, Greegor wrote:

KW Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than Greg?

LK Why shouldn't a foster parent be held
LK to a higher standard of behavior
LK then one he accuses of abuse?

RVD gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point.

I admit to doing things that YOU exaggerate to call abuse.
No sex, no blood, no broken bones.
Don't smoke, drink liquor or do drugs.

RVD As a foster parent I am held to a higher
RVD standard, than the regular parent.

LK But there are ways around that, right?

The foster agency itself investigates accusations
of abuse in foster care, not CPS.

They're all the same to me. A babystealer is a babystealer.

BOTH agencies have a vested interest in
minimizing or playing down such abuse
as much as they can get away with.

The validity of the screening process and the
pretense that fosters are superior are proven
wrong quite regularly by foster abuse incidents.

You don't think Ron is superior?
I mean even as far as foster parents go?

Look up in this newsgroup where we had fun with
him declaring himself a "training Nazi".
(As opposed to a teacher)

It was part of his on-line Role Playing Game stuff.

Ron seems egotistical.
If he goes to church and they talk about
how we are all imperfect, you can bet that
Ron tells him self that doesn't apply to him.

Remember that some people are compelled
to go into law enforcement because they
get a big kick out of lording over other people.

Did you see how Cops have this huge rate
of Domestic Violence and how the police
force does everything they can to make any
accusation go away?

The interest of the agencies in minimizing
foster abuse is played out in some news stories
as well.

Did all your foster kids have a happy Christmas Ron?
Do they give you any extra to buy them christmas presents?

LK, Parents with kids in the system actually
get a bit annoyed when the system people
PRESUME that the parents can't even buy
their kid/s Christmas presents.

Sometimes they seem to view it as a competition.

A non-custodial parent or competitive caretaker
might for example come up with very nice
Christmas presents. Sometimes they make an
effort to buy their way into standing with the child.

If the agency comes up with presents for kids who
would not have any it's a good idea, but doing
this when parents are ABLE and do provide presents
can become a bit of an insult to the parent.

Why did Lisa's daughter have to shampoo her hair if she was just
rinsing off urine?

On Dec 31, 12:58 pm, Greegor wrote:
On Dec 31, 8:52 am, LK wrote:



On Dec 30, 11:51 pm, Greegor wrote:

KW Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than Greg?

LK Why shouldn't a foster parent be held
LK to a higher standard of behavior
LK then one he accuses of abuse?

RVD gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point.

I admit to doing things that YOU exaggerate to call abuse.
No sex, no blood, no broken bones.
Don't smoke, drink liquor or do drugs.

RVD As a foster parent I am held to a higher
RVD standard, than the regular parent.

LK But there are ways around that, right?

The foster agency itself investigates accusations
of abuse in foster care, not CPS.

They're all the same to me. A babystealer is a babystealer.

BOTH agencies have a vested interest in
minimizing or playing down such abuse
as much as they can get away with.

The validity of the screening process and the
pretense that fosters are superior are proven
wrong quite regularly by foster abuse incidents.

You don't think Ron is superior?
I mean even as far as foster parents go?

Look up in this newsgroup where we had fun with
him declaring himself a "training Nazi".

"Training nazi" was Ron way of making fun of himself.

You weren't bright enough to get it.

It was part of his on-line Role Playing Game stuff.

Ron seems egotistical.
If he goes to church and they talk about
how we are all imperfect, you can bet that
Ron tells him self that doesn't apply to him.

How do you know what they talk about in Ron's church?

Remember that some people are compelled
to go into law enforcement because they
get a big kick out of lording over other people.

Some people?

What percentage?

Did you see how Cops have this huge rate
of Domestic Violence and how the police
force does everything they can to make any
accusation go away?

See?

Where?

The interest of the agencies in minimizing
foster abuse is played out in some news stories
as well.

Did all your foster kids have a happy Christmas Ron?
Do they give you any extra to buy them christmas presents?

LK, Parents with kids in the system actually
get a bit annoyed when the system people
PRESUME that the parents can't even buy
their kid/s Christmas presents.

How do you know that?

Sometimes they seem to view it as a competition.

A non-custodial parent or competitive caretaker
might for example come up with very nice
Christmas presents. Sometimes they make an
effort to buy their way into standing with the child.

greg claimed he was a nice guy to Lisa's daughter because he bought her a
pair of sneakers!!!

BFD the only gift in two years.

If the agency comes up with presents for kids who
would not have any it's a good idea, but doing
this when parents are ABLE and do provide presents
can become a bit of an insult to the parent.

You don't want the kids to get too many presents, greg?

Greegor wrote:
On Dec 31, 8:52 am, LK wrote:
On Dec 30, 11:51 pm, Greegor wrote:





KW Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than Greg?
LK Why shouldn't a foster parent be held
LK to a higher standard of behavior
LK then one he accuses of abuse?
RVD gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point.
I admit to doing things that YOU exaggerate to call abuse.
No sex, no blood, no broken bones.
Don't smoke, drink liquor or do drugs.
RVD As a foster parent I am held to a higher
RVD standard, than the regular parent.
LK But there are ways around that, right?
The foster agency itself investigates accusations
of abuse in foster care, not CPS.
They're all the same to me. A babystealer is a babystealer.

BOTH agencies have a vested interest in
minimizing or playing down such abuse
as much as they can get away with.
The validity of the screening process and the
pretense that fosters are superior are proven
wrong quite regularly by foster abuse incidents.
You don't think Ron is superior?
I mean even as far as foster parents go?

Look up in this newsgroup where we had fun with
him declaring himself a "training Nazi".
(As opposed to a teacher)

Gee gregg, could you be more ignorant? That was kneals claim, not mine.
Try and get the players right, will ya?


It was part of his on-line Role Playing Game stuff.

Ron seems egotistical.
If he goes to church and they talk about
how we are all imperfect, you can bet that
Ron tells him self that doesn't apply to him.

Remember that some people are compelled
to go into law enforcement because they
get a big kick out of lording over other people.

Did you see how Cops have this huge rate
of Domestic Violence and how the police
force does everything they can to make any
accusation go away?

Domestic violence 'eh? Well, you would be the news group expert in that
area now wouldnt you gregg.

Cops also have a high divorce rate, a high cardio vascular issue rate,
and a higher insurance rate gregg. All of that adds up to absolutely
nothing gregg, since I dont have cardio vascular issue's, have never
been divorced, have never been even accused of domestic violence, and I
have a group insurnace plan and therefore dont pay a great deal for it.

Then again, I have a job.

The interest of the agencies in minimizing
foster abuse is played out in some news stories
as well.
Did all your foster kids have a happy Christmas Ron?
Do they give you any extra to buy them christmas presents?

LK, Parents with kids in the system actually
get a bit annoyed when the system people
PRESUME that the parents can't even buy
their kid/s Christmas presents.

I'm sure that they do gregg, but then again some can and some cant.
Some would rather spend that money on booze or drugs, or on cigarretts
and porn.

Sometimes they seem to view it as a competition.

I can think of only one person that would do that gregg, and since you
are unemployed I assume that your dont win that one real often.


A non-custodial parent or competitive caretaker
might for example come up with very nice
Christmas presents. Sometimes they make an
effort to buy their way into standing with the child.

Parents do that all the time gregg.


If the agency comes up with presents for kids who
would not have any it's a good idea, but doing
this when parents are ABLE and do provide presents
can become a bit of an insult to the parent.

Is it also an insult to parents who cannot gregg? After all, they are
unable to provide for them, I could see someone like yourself whining
about that aspect as well.

Ron

--
Kenneth Pangborn (AKA KRP) is a lying sack of ****!

Proof at:

www.aboutkenpangborn.com

On Dec 31 2007, 11:21*am, Dan Sullivan wrote:
On Dec 30, 11:46 pm, " krp" wrote:





"Ron" wrote in message

...

Ron, Do you really think that spelling my name wrong
and in lower case enhances your credibility?
You've taken to spelling my name wrong, though you do use
upper case.
Why, exactly, is it acceptable for you, but unacceptable for
Ron? *How do you rationalize this?
Ron should be setting a better example.
* * * * Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than Greg?

--
Kent
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons...
for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

Why shouldn't a foster parent be held to a higher standard of behavior
then one he accuses of abuse?

gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point.

* * That is NOT what I read in Gregg's statements. He admits putting the kid
in the shower,

Forcing the girl to take cold showers.

And physically pushing the girl back into the shower when she hadn't
rinsed the soap out of her hair.

NOT that it was abuse.

greg can claim it wasn't abuse all he wants.

In a world where social workers offer
testimony in courts that; "The ONLY reason a father has his child sit on his
lap is for the proximity of his penis to her vagina" and where someone
accused such as Gregg is NOT allowed to defend the accusation or be
represented because he was not a biological parent we see a stacked deck..

greg did defend his actions.

He claimed he had the mother's permission for all of it.

And a stacked deck doesn't necessarily mean the final determination is
wrong.

Now change the subject even more, kenny boy.

Same with allegations of domestic violence where you have laws that presume
the male guilty and you have somebody who cannot afford a defense, so they
fall victim to the standard advice of a public defender to accept a plea
because "it really doesn't matter anyway." *Hell even 90% of the guys who
can afford lawyers are misled into accepting a plea by lawyers who advise
them it is "meaningless." *That's standard legal advice. So it is easy to
judge Gregg.

greg didn't accept a plea.

Wasn't charged, wasn't legal party to case, not allowed to defend
against accusations or even observe. It's called trial in absentia.

"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message
...

On Dec 30, 11:51 pm, Greegor wrote:
KW Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than Greg?

LK Why shouldn't a foster parent be held
LK to a higher standard of behavior
LK then one he accuses of abuse?

RVD gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point.

I admit to doing things that YOU exaggerate to call abuse.

The State of Iowa determined that what you did was abuse, greg.

No exaggeration.

Right just not the WHOLE story as usual Danny boy. Was Gregg allowed to
appear? Was Gregg allowed an attorney to represent him? Was Gregg's side
ever heard? No no and no.

"Ron" wrote in message
...

Ron, Do you really think that spelling my name wrong
and in lower case enhances your credibility?
You've taken to spelling my name wrong, though you do use
upper case.

Why, exactly, is it acceptable for you, but unacceptable for

Ron? How do you rationalize this?

Ron should be setting a better example.

Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than Greg?

Kent

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons...
for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Why shouldn't a foster parent be held to a higher standard of behavior
then one he accuses of abuse?
gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point.

That is NOT what I read in Gregg's statements.

I cant help it kenny is you chose to intentionally ignore things. After
all, given your history I'd not be surprised to find your name in a CPS
file somewhere.

No I just don't slant and mischaracterize what he's said.

He admits putting the kid in the shower.

Now THERE is the crime of the century. Putting a dirty kid in a shower!

Ronny as you make a huge deal of this... TRY to factor in that in
dependency cases where the "accused" is not a biological parent, they are
BARRED from appearing to defend themselves or be represented by counsel.
They are not entitled to counsel if they can't afford a lawyer. It is so
EASY for a judgmental asshole like you to keep throwing stones instead of
seeing the bigger problem. Would Gregg have had to go to first base IF he
had been allowed to be heard and he had his own lawyer? My bet, looking at
the allegations, is that the case would never have gotten past the first
hearing if he had his own lawyer especially if he had a decent lawyer.

I apologize if this comes twice, last try said session expired.

On Dec 31 2007, 7:54 pm, Ron wrote:
Greegor wrote:
On Dec 31, 8:52 am, LK wrote:
On Dec 30, 11:51 pm, Greegor wrote:

KW Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than Greg?
LK Why shouldn't a foster parent be held
LK to a higher standard of behavior
LK then one he accuses of abuse?
RVD gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point.
I admit to doing things that YOU exaggerate to call abuse.
No sex, no blood, no broken bones.
Don't smoke, drink liquor or do drugs.
RVD As a foster parent I am held to a higher
RVD standard, than the regular parent.
LK But there are ways around that, right?
The foster agency itself investigates accusations
of abuse in foster care, not CPS.
They're all the same to me. A babystealer is a babystealer.

BOTH agencies have a vested interest in
minimizing or playing down such abuse
as much as they can get away with.
The validity of the screening process and the
pretense that fosters are superior are proven
wrong quite regularly by foster abuse incidents.
You don't think Ron is superior?
I mean even as far as foster parents go?

Look up in this newsgroup where we had fun with
him declaring himself a "training Nazi".
(As opposed to a teacher)

Gee gregg, could you be more ignorant? That was kneals claim, not mine.
Try and get the players right, will ya?







It was part of his on-line Role Playing Game stuff.

Ron seems egotistical.
If he goes to church and they talk about
how we are all imperfect, you can bet that
Ron tells him self that doesn't apply to him.

Remember that some people are compelled
to go into law enforcement because they
get a big kick out of lording over other people.

Did you see how Cops have this huge rate
of Domestic Violence and how the police
force does everything they can to make any
accusation go away?

Domestic violence 'eh? Well, you would be the news group expert in that
area now wouldnt you gregg.

He is right you know Ron. http://www.womenandpolicing.org/violenceFS.asp

Two studies have found that at least 40% of police officer families
experience domestic violence, (1, 2) in contrast to 10% of families in
the general population.(3) A third study of older and more experienced
officers found a rate of 24% (4), indicating that domestic violence is
2-4 times more common among police families than American families in
general. A police department that has domestic violence offenders
among its ranks will not effectively serve and protect victims in the
community.5, 6, 7, 8 Moreover, when officers know of domestic violence
committed by their colleagues and seek to protect them by covering it
up, they expose the department to civil liability.7

Now he'll defend himself saying that I never provide facts, although I
just did. Huh Ron.


Cops also have a high divorce rate, a high cardio vascular issue rate,
and a higher insurance rate gregg. All of that adds up to absolutely
nothing gregg, since I dont have cardio vascular issue's, have never
been divorced, have never been even accused of domestic violence, and I
have a group insurnace plan and therefore dont pay a great deal for it.

Then again, I have a job.


Good for you.


The interest of the agencies in minimizing
foster abuse is played out in some news stories
as well.
Did all your foster kids have a happy Christmas Ron?
Do they give you any extra to buy them christmas presents?

LK, Parents with kids in the system actually
get a bit annoyed when the system people
PRESUME that the parents can't even buy
their kid/s Christmas presents.


I would think that Parents would get annoyed when the system won't let
them visit or give their kids presents on Christmas day or when things
disappear while the kids are in foster care. Lanette (adoption blogs)
has just done a whole series of blog posts on Christmas and Foster
children. She has been posting stuff like this since before
Thanksgiving. How they act out more, how emotions are particularly
high in them at this time of year. The types of things she does to
deal with it. How they are particularly sad because they are not with
their real parents and how they are particularly sad because they're
real parents are alone on Christmas. In fact, she discribes it as a
particularly difficult time of year for foster children, where they
are more likely to "act out" because of it.

In one post, she talks about her family members coming to visit, and
how she has to warn them ahead of time about any issues that the kids
may be having, and warn them not to interfere if she seems to be
jumping the gun in terms of dealing with issues as she's trained to
pick out warning signals before the kid actually acts out. You add
that to the fact that many of these kids are meeting lots of new
people for the first time, the natural hectic nature of the holiday
season, elevated emotional states, and all the bull**** on T.V. about
what a happy time of year this is and you have a recipie for
disaster. Then one of her commenters says that she is no longer
invited to family functions because family members don't know what to
expect with the foster children.

It's amazing how this is not the case at Ron's house. More testiment
to his superiority, I guess. Of course he'd have to look beyond his
CPS numbers to see it, and you know how hard it is for him to do
that. So expect that as his only defense.

I'm sure that they do gregg, but then again some can and some cant.
Some would rather spend that money on booze or drugs, or on cigarretts
and porn.


I suppose that this is a particularly difficult time of year for many
of the real parents as well. Wouldn't you think Ron?

Sometimes they seem to view it as a competition.

I can think of only one person that would do that gregg, and since you
are unemployed I assume that your dont win that one real often.


Again, Greg is correct Ron. Real parents often do see it as a
competition. You read about it when you read some of other forums
such as some of the moderated Parent Support Groups where people like
you Ron would be booted from because it is where parents talk about
their feelings, successes and failures, trying to help others involved
in the system, and without being judgemental. But since this is not
numerically measured you simply resort to Greg bashing as your only
defense of his statement. Greg is simply pointing out how real
parents feel and see things. So if you have a real arguement against
his statement please state it. It would be interesting how you could
see how you could argue such a statement to be wrong. Otherwise, put
a sock in it and admit your inability to do so.



A non-custodial parent or competitive caretaker
might for example come up with very nice
Christmas presents. Sometimes they make an
effort to buy their way into standing with the child.

Parents do that all the time gregg.


And foster parents don't?



If the agency comes up with presents for kids who
would not have any it's a good idea, but doing
this when parents are ABLE and do provide presents
can become a bit of an insult to the parent.

Is it also an insult to parents who cannot gregg? After all, they are
unable to provide for them, I could see someone like yourself whining
about that aspect as well.

Ron

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Proof at:

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On Jan 1, 8:14 am, " krp" wrote:
"Ron" wrote in message

...



Ron, Do you really think that spelling my name wrong
and in lower case enhances your credibility?
You've taken to spelling my name wrong, though you do use
upper case.
Why, exactly, is it acceptable for you, but unacceptable for
Ron? How do you rationalize this?
Ron should be setting a better example.
Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than Greg?
Kent
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons...
for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Why shouldn't a foster parent be held to a higher standard of behavior
then one he accuses of abuse?
gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point.

That is NOT what I read in Gregg's statements.
I cant help it kenny is you chose to intentionally ignore things. After
all, given your history I'd not be surprised to find your name in a CPS
file somewhere.

No I just don't slant and mischaracterize what he's said.

He admits putting the kid in the shower.

Now THERE is the crime of the century. Putting a dirty kid in a shower!

Just not the whole story, right, piggy boy?

LK wrote:
I apologize if this comes twice, last try said session expired.

On Dec 31 2007, 7:54 pm, Ron wrote:
Greegor wrote:
On Dec 31, 8:52 am, LK wrote:
On Dec 30, 11:51 pm, Greegor wrote:
KW Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than Greg?
LK Why shouldn't a foster parent be held
LK to a higher standard of behavior
LK then one he accuses of abuse?
RVD gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point.
I admit to doing things that YOU exaggerate to call abuse.
No sex, no blood, no broken bones.
Don't smoke, drink liquor or do drugs.
RVD As a foster parent I am held to a higher
RVD standard, than the regular parent.
LK But there are ways around that, right?
The foster agency itself investigates accusations
of abuse in foster care, not CPS.
They're all the same to me. A babystealer is a babystealer.
BOTH agencies have a vested interest in
minimizing or playing down such abuse
as much as they can get away with.
The validity of the screening process and the
pretense that fosters are superior are proven
wrong quite regularly by foster abuse incidents.
You don't think Ron is superior?
I mean even as far as foster parents go?
Look up in this newsgroup where we had fun with
him declaring himself a "training Nazi".
(As opposed to a teacher)
Gee gregg, could you be more ignorant? That was kneals claim, not mine.
Try and get the players right, will ya?







It was part of his on-line Role Playing Game stuff.
Ron seems egotistical.
If he goes to church and they talk about
how we are all imperfect, you can bet that
Ron tells him self that doesn't apply to him.
Remember that some people are compelled
to go into law enforcement because they
get a big kick out of lording over other people.
Did you see how Cops have this huge rate
of Domestic Violence and how the police
force does everything they can to make any
accusation go away?
Domestic violence 'eh? Well, you would be the news group expert in that
area now wouldnt you gregg.

He is right you know Ron. http://www.womenandpolicing.org/violenceFS.asp

Two studies have found that at least 40% of police officer families
experience domestic violence, (1, 2) in contrast to 10% of families in
the general population.(3) A third study of older and more experienced
officers found a rate of 24% (4), indicating that domestic violence is
2-4 times more common among police families than American families in
general. A police department that has domestic violence offenders
among its ranks will not effectively serve and protect victims in the
community.5, 6, 7, 8 Moreover, when officers know of domestic violence
committed by their colleagues and seek to protect them by covering it
up, they expose the department to civil liability.7

Now he'll defend himself saying that I never provide facts, although I
just did. Huh Ron.

No one is more amazed than I. Like I said, he IS the news group expert
in this area.


Cops also have a high divorce rate, a high cardio vascular issue rate,
and a higher insurance rate gregg. All of that adds up to absolutely
nothing gregg, since I dont have cardio vascular issue's, have never
been divorced, have never been even accused of domestic violence, and I
have a group insurnace plan and therefore dont pay a great deal for it.

Then again, I have a job.


Good for you.


The interest of the agencies in minimizing
foster abuse is played out in some news stories
as well.
Did all your foster kids have a happy Christmas Ron?
Do they give you any extra to buy them christmas presents?
LK, Parents with kids in the system actually
get a bit annoyed when the system people
PRESUME that the parents can't even buy
their kid/s Christmas presents.

I would think that Parents would get annoyed when the system won't let
them visit or give their kids presents on Christmas day or when things
disappear while the kids are in foster care. Lanette (adoption blogs)

You could not imagine how upset the parents get at this. These things
also happen at home, and I'm sure they get upset then as well.

has just done a whole series of blog posts on Christmas and Foster
children. She has been posting stuff like this since before
Thanksgiving. How they act out more, how emotions are particularly
high in them at this time of year. The types of things she does to
deal with it. How they are particularly sad because they are not with
their real parents and how they are particularly sad because they're
real parents are alone on Christmas. In fact, she discribes it as a
particularly difficult time of year for foster children, where they
are more likely to "act out" because of it.

I thought you didnt like Lanette? Whats up with that? Anyay, she is
correct, in general it is a much harder time for both bio parents and
foster parents, as well as the kids. Human nature, its a bitch.


In one post, she talks about her family members coming to visit, and
how she has to warn them ahead of time about any issues that the kids
may be having, and warn them not to interfere if she seems to be
jumping the gun in terms of dealing with issues as she's trained to
pick out warning signals before the kid actually acts out. You add
that to the fact that many of these kids are meeting lots of new
people for the first time, the natural hectic nature of the holiday
season, elevated emotional states, and all the bull**** on T.V. about
what a happy time of year this is and you have a recipie for
disaster. Then one of her commenters says that she is no longer
invited to family functions because family members don't know what to
expect with the foster children.

Thank god I dont live anywhere near my family, I have never had to
experience this particular form of bigotry.


It's amazing how this is not the case at Ron's house. More testiment
to his superiority, I guess. Of course he'd have to look beyond his
CPS numbers to see it, and you know how hard it is for him to do
that. So expect that as his only defense.

Wow, conclusions galore and not a fact to be found. Makes me all warm
inside to know that the holidays don't suddenly change your nature and
make you become a person who can actually support their belief's with facts.


I'm sure that they do gregg, but then again some can and some cant.
Some would rather spend that money on booze or drugs, or on cigarretts
and porn.


I suppose that this is a particularly difficult time of year for many
of the real parents as well. Wouldn't you think Ron?

Hmmm, well since according to both you and gregg foster parents are not
"real" parents I would have no reference upon which to base such an opinion.


Sometimes they seem to view it as a competition.
I can think of only one person that would do that gregg, and since you
are unemployed I assume that your dont win that one real often.


Again, Greg is correct Ron. Real parents often do see it as a
competition.

Some do, some dont. Its the difference between parents who actually
care about what is best for their children and those who have "other"
concerns. Guess which is which.

You read about it when you read some of other forums
such as some of the moderated Parent Support Groups where people like
you Ron would be booted from because it is where parents talk about
their feelings, successes and failures, trying to help others involved
in the system, and without being judgemental.

What a load of crap. "without being judgemental", everyone is
"judgemental" all the time. It cant be avoided, its human nature.

But since this is not
numerically measured you simply resort to Greg bashing as your only
defense of his statement. Greg is simply pointing out how real
parents feel and see things. So if you have a real arguement against
his statement please state it. It would be interesting how you could
see how you could argue such a statement to be wrong. Otherwise, put
a sock in it and admit your inability to do so.

See above.


A non-custodial parent or competitive caretaker
might for example come up with very nice
Christmas presents. Sometimes they make an
effort to buy their way into standing with the child.
Parents do that all the time gregg.


And foster parents don't?

I'm sure some do. Most I'm sure don't as they cannot afford to get into
a "present" war.



If the agency comes up with presents for kids who
would not have any it's a good idea, but doing
this when parents are ABLE and do provide presents
can become a bit of an insult to the parent.
Is it also an insult to parents who cannot gregg? After all, they are
unable to provide for them, I could see someone like yourself whining
about that aspect as well.

Ron

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Kenneth Pangborn (AKA KRP) is a lying sack of ****!

Proof at:

www.aboutkenpangborn.com

krp wrote:
"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message
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On Dec 30, 11:51 pm, Greegor wrote:
KW Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than Greg?

LK Why shouldn't a foster parent be held
LK to a higher standard of behavior
LK then one he accuses of abuse?

RVD gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point.

I admit to doing things that YOU exaggerate to call abuse.
The State of Iowa determined that what you did was abuse, greg.

No exaggeration.

Right just not the WHOLE story as usual Danny boy. Was Gregg allowed to
appear? Was Gregg allowed an attorney to represent him?

Was gregg charged with a crime? No. He can get his own attorney, but
since there was no criminal proceedings I don't really see a use for one.

Was Gregg's side ever heard? No no and no.

Didnt you ever read his motion to the court kenny? He surely was heard,
as was his story, it reads like one of those 1970's joke books.

Ron

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Kenneth Pangborn (AKA KRP) is a lying sack of ****!

Proof at:

www.aboutkenpangborn.com