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Arizona - CPS Case Worker Admits Credit Card Fraud
On Jan 5, 11:31 am, LK wrote:
On Jan 5, 11:55 am, firemonkey wrote: On Jan 5, 10:50 am, Greegor wrote: On Jan 5, 7:46 am, " krp" wrote: "Ron" wrote in message ... KW Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than Greg? LK Why shouldn't a foster parent be held LK to a higher standard of behavior LK then one he accuses of abuse? RVD gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point. I admit to doing things that YOU exaggerate to call abuse. The State of Iowa determined that what you did was abuse, greg. No exaggeration. Right just not the WHOLE story as usual Danny boy. Was Gregg allowed to appear? Was Gregg allowed an attorney to represent him? Was gregg charged with a crime? No. He can get his own attorney, but since there was no criminal proceedings I don't really see a use for one. Ah Ronny - YOU don't see the use for Gregg being allowed an attorney and to defend allegations against him in tghe dependency court. How QUAINT! I know that the world presents many difficulties for you kenny, but even you should know that unless one is charged with a crime that the state has no requirement to provide an attorney, right? But - asshole - a parent accused in a dependency action in MOST STATES is allowed to have an attorney appointed for them if they cannot afford one. SHould I say "almost all states." HOWEVER thanks for acknowledging several facts here you never intended to. What Gregg did or was accused of doing was no crime, buit only abuse in the veiw of SOCIAL WORKERS. The same SOCIAL WORKERS who testify that; "The ONLY reason a father has his daughter sit on his lap is for the proximity of his penis to her vagina." Also thanks for acknowledging that Gregg was not permitted to be heard. So as you WEENIES try to make so much of his alleged CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY - we can keep this admission in mind. YOU don't see it. Well take comfort, the LAW of most states don't either. Neither does the Constitution of the United States, but what the hell its just a bit of paper, right kenny? No asshole you are wrong - although the issue itself has not been decided by the U.S. Supreme Court - it HAS by several State Supreme Courts and on that basis the Child Abuse registries have been found to be "UNCONSTIUTIONAL" and have been banned. Fundamental lack of DUE PROCESS! Nice to be accused of an act and placed in a "REGISTRY" with absolutely NO opportunity to be heard to defend yourself. WHAT A COUNTRY! Wow, since when was being placed on a registry equal to being convicted of a crime? When State Supreme Courts SAID SO Ronny! The main part of your statement was "Now IF Gregg had been entitled to a court appointed lawyer". He wasn't, and the state was not required to provide one. Gregg could have gotten his own attorney, he has THAT right, but it was his choice not to. Just who is to blame for that in your opinion kenny? No Ronny IF Gregg had gotten his own lawyer his lawyer would NOT have been permitted to appear and take part as a party. Maybe you should bone up on the law a bit before shooting your mouth off, the Iowa Supreme Court has had problems as well with these "STAR CHAMBER" type hearings and have eroded some of the state power of GESTAPO SOCIAL WORKERS because of the lack of Due Process. The ONLY reason this **** is still allowed is that so far the ACLU hasn't picked up a case to attack those draconian laws. In NO WAY is justice served by denying the accused an opportunity to be heard and defend himself except to you CPS Nazis. Holding a trial with the accused not present, not allowed to cross examine is despicable. It's more like a witch hunt than a judicial process. Despicable is what you did to your ex wifes daughter, your ex wife and your girlfriends daughter. Despicable is obsessing over things like that. Lester, you are either a horses ass or belong to the same special club greeg is in. |
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Arizona - CPS Case Worker Admits Credit Card Fraud
KRP No Ronny IF [Greg] had gotten his own lawyer
KRP his lawyer would NOT have been permitted to KRP appear and take part as a party. Maybe you KRP should bone up on the law a bit before shooting KRP your mouth off, the Iowa Supreme Court has KRP had problems as well with these KRP "STAR CHAMBER" type hearings and have KRP eroded some of the state power of GESTAPO KRP SOCIAL WORKERS because of the lack of KRP Due Process. *The ONLY reason this **** is KRP still allowed is that so far the ACLU hasn't KRP picked up a case to attack those draconian KRP laws. In NO WAY is justice served by denying KRP the accused an opportunity to be heard and KRP defend himself except to you CPS Nazis. G Holding a trial with the accused not present, G not allowed to cross examine is despicable. G It's more like a witch hunt than a judicial process. FM Despicable is what you did to your ex wifes FM daughter, your ex wife and your girlfriends daughter. LK Despicable is obsessing over things like that. FM Lester, you are either a horses ass or LK belong to the same special club greeg is in. Firemonkey's answer to denial of due process is to assert GUILT. With Firemonkey, It's all about impulse and reactions, not thought. Just like that freshwater crayfish where you put a can or a cup behind it and frighten it. They rocket backwards right into the container. Impulse not thought. Firemonkey defends her status as a beneficiary of some kind. Impulse not thought. |
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Arizona - CPS Case Worker Admits Credit Card Fraud
On Jan 5, 1:08*pm, firemonkey wrote:
On Jan 5, 11:31 am, LK wrote: On Jan 5, 11:55 am, firemonkey wrote: On Jan 5, 10:50 am, Greegor wrote: On Jan 5, 7:46 am, " krp" wrote: "Ron" wrote in message ... KW Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than Greg? LK Why shouldn't a foster parent be held LK to a higher standard of behavior LK then one he accuses of abuse? RVD gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point.. I admit to doing things that YOU exaggerate to call abuse. The State of Iowa determined that what you did was abuse, greg. No exaggeration. Right just not the WHOLE story as usual Danny boy. *Was Gregg allowed to appear? Was Gregg allowed an attorney to represent him? Was gregg charged with a crime? *No. *He can get his own attorney, but since there was no criminal proceedings I don't really see a use for one. * * Ah Ronny *- YOU don't see the use for Gregg being allowed an attorney and to defend allegations against him in tghe dependency court. How QUAINT! I know that the world presents many difficulties for you kenny, but even you should know that unless one is charged with a crime that the state has no requirement to provide an attorney, right? * * But - asshole - a parent accused in a dependency action in MOST STATES is allowed to have an attorney appointed for them if they cannot afford one. SHould I say "almost all states." HOWEVER thanks for acknowledging several facts here you never intended to. What Gregg did or was accused of doing was no crime, buit only abuse in the veiw of SOCIAL WORKERS. The same SOCIAL WORKERS who testify that; "The ONLY reason a father has his daughter sit on his lap is for the proximity of his penis to her vagina." *Also thanks for acknowledging that Gregg was not permitted to be heard. So as you WEENIES try to make so much of his alleged CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY - we can keep this admission in mind. YOU don't see it. Well take comfort, the LAW of most states don't either. Neither does the Constitution of the United States, but what the hell its just a bit of paper, right kenny? * * No asshole you are wrong - although the issue itself has not been decided by the U.S. Supreme Court - it HAS by several State Supreme Courts and on that basis the Child Abuse registries have been found to be "UNCONSTIUTIONAL" and have been banned. *Fundamental lack of DUE PROCESS! Nice to be accused of an act and placed in a "REGISTRY" with absolutely NO opportunity to be heard to defend yourself. WHAT A COUNTRY! Wow, since when was being placed on a registry equal to being convicted of a crime? * * When State Supreme Courts SAID SO Ronny! The main part of your statement was "Now IF Gregg had been entitled to a court appointed lawyer". *He wasn't, and the state was not required to provide one. *Gregg could have gotten his own attorney, he has THAT right, but it was his choice not to. *Just who is to blame for that in your opinion kenny? * * No Ronny IF Gregg had gotten his own lawyer his lawyer would NOT have been permitted to appear and take part as a party. Maybe you should bone up on the law a bit before shooting your mouth off, the Iowa Supreme Court has had problems as well with these "STAR CHAMBER" type hearings and have eroded some of the state power of GESTAPO SOCIAL WORKERS because of the lack of Due Process. *The ONLY reason this **** is still allowed is that so far the ACLU hasn't picked up a case to attack those draconian laws. In NO WAY is justice served by denying the accused an opportunity to be heard and defend himself except to you CPS Nazis. Holding a trial with the accused not present, not allowed to cross examine is despicable. It's more like a witch hunt than a judicial process. Despicable is what you did to your ex wifes daughter, your ex wife and your girlfriends daughter. Despicable is obsessing over things like that. Lester, you are either a horses ass or belong to the same special club greeg is in. Do you get some sort of a rise out of that? |
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Arizona - CPS Case Worker Admits Credit Card Fraud
On Jan 5, 1:02 pm, LK wrote:
On Jan 5, 1:08 pm, firemonkey wrote: On Jan 5, 11:31 am, LK wrote: On Jan 5, 11:55 am, firemonkey wrote: On Jan 5, 10:50 am, Greegor wrote: On Jan 5, 7:46 am, " krp" wrote: "Ron" wrote in message ... KW Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than Greg? LK Why shouldn't a foster parent be held LK to a higher standard of behavior LK then one he accuses of abuse? RVD gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point. I admit to doing things that YOU exaggerate to call abuse. The State of Iowa determined that what you did was abuse, greg. No exaggeration. Right just not the WHOLE story as usual Danny boy. Was Gregg allowed to appear? Was Gregg allowed an attorney to represent him? Was gregg charged with a crime? No. He can get his own attorney, but since there was no criminal proceedings I don't really see a use for one. Ah Ronny - YOU don't see the use for Gregg being allowed an attorney and to defend allegations against him in tghe dependency court. How QUAINT! I know that the world presents many difficulties for you kenny, but even you should know that unless one is charged with a crime that the state has no requirement to provide an attorney, right? But - asshole - a parent accused in a dependency action in MOST STATES is allowed to have an attorney appointed for them if they cannot afford one. SHould I say "almost all states." HOWEVER thanks for acknowledging several facts here you never intended to. What Gregg did or was accused of doing was no crime, buit only abuse in the veiw of SOCIAL WORKERS. The same SOCIAL WORKERS who testify that; "The ONLY reason a father has his daughter sit on his lap is for the proximity of his penis to her vagina." Also thanks for acknowledging that Gregg was not permitted to be heard. So as you WEENIES try to make so much of his alleged CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY - we can keep this admission in mind. YOU don't see it. Well take comfort, the LAW of most states don't either. Neither does the Constitution of the United States, but what the hell its just a bit of paper, right kenny? No asshole you are wrong - although the issue itself has not been decided by the U.S. Supreme Court - it HAS by several State Supreme Courts and on that basis the Child Abuse registries have been found to be "UNCONSTIUTIONAL" and have been banned. Fundamental lack of DUE PROCESS! Nice to be accused of an act and placed in a "REGISTRY" with absolutely NO opportunity to be heard to defend yourself. WHAT A COUNTRY! Wow, since when was being placed on a registry equal to being convicted of a crime? When State Supreme Courts SAID SO Ronny! The main part of your statement was "Now IF Gregg had been entitled to a court appointed lawyer". He wasn't, and the state was not required to provide one. Gregg could have gotten his own attorney, he has THAT right, but it was his choice not to. Just who is to blame for that in your opinion kenny? No Ronny IF Gregg had gotten his own lawyer his lawyer would NOT have been permitted to appear and take part as a party. Maybe you should bone up on the law a bit before shooting your mouth off, the Iowa Supreme Court has had problems as well with these "STAR CHAMBER" type hearings and have eroded some of the state power of GESTAPO SOCIAL WORKERS because of the lack of Due Process. The ONLY reason this **** is still allowed is that so far the ACLU hasn't picked up a case to attack those draconian laws. In NO WAY is justice served by denying the accused an opportunity to be heard and defend himself except to you CPS Nazis. Holding a trial with the accused not present, not allowed to cross examine is despicable. It's more like a witch hunt than a judicial process. Despicable is what you did to your ex wifes daughter, your ex wife and your girlfriends daughter. Despicable is obsessing over things like that. Lester, you are either a horses ass or belong to the same special club greeg is in. Do you get some sort of a rise out of that? No, but one can't help but wonder why you (who we believe we have uncovered as living in Iowa in a little town with some Hansons) would want folks to ignore domestic abuse, possible sexual abuse, and deliberately choosing to do things that kept Lisa's daughter from coming back to her mother for coming on 7 years now. How far do you and greeg go back? More than 7 years? Did you use to visit greeg in his soccer dad days? |
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Arizona - CPS Case Worker Admits Credit Card Fraud
"ASSmonkey" wrote in message ... KW Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than Greg? LK Why shouldn't a foster parent be held LK to a higher standard of behavior LK then one he accuses of abuse? RVD gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point. I admit to doing things that YOU exaggerate to call abuse. The State of Iowa determined that what you did was abuse, greg. No exaggeration. Right just not the WHOLE story as usual Danny boy. Was Gregg allowed to appear? Was Gregg allowed an attorney to represent him? Was gregg charged with a crime? No. He can get his own attorney, but since there was no criminal proceedings I don't really see a use for one. Ah Ronny - YOU don't see the use for Gregg being allowed an attorney and to defend allegations against him in tghe dependency court. How QUAINT! I know that the world presents many difficulties for you kenny, but even you should know that unless one is charged with a crime that the state has no requirement to provide an attorney, right? But - asshole - a parent accused in a dependency action in MOST STATES is allowed to have an attorney appointed for them if they cannot afford one. SHould I say "almost all states." HOWEVER thanks for acknowledging several facts here you never intended to. What Gregg did or was accused of doing was no crime, buit only abuse in the veiw of SOCIAL WORKERS. The same SOCIAL WORKERS who testify that; "The ONLY reason a father has his daughter sit on his lap is for the proximity of his penis to her vagina." Also thanks for acknowledging that Gregg was not permitted to be heard. So as you WEENIES try to make so much of his alleged CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY - we can keep this admission in mind. YOU don't see it. Well take comfort, the LAW of most states don't either. Neither does the Constitution of the United States, but what the hell its just a bit of paper, right kenny? No asshole you are wrong - although the issue itself has not been decided by the U.S. Supreme Court - it HAS by several State Supreme Courts and on that basis the Child Abuse registries have been found to be "UNCONSTIUTIONAL" and have been banned. Fundamental lack of DUE PROCESS! Nice to be accused of an act and placed in a "REGISTRY" with absolutely NO opportunity to be heard to defend yourself. WHAT A COUNTRY! Wow, since when was being placed on a registry equal to being convicted of a crime? When State Supreme Courts SAID SO Ronny! The main part of your statement was "Now IF Gregg had been entitled to a court appointed lawyer". He wasn't, and the state was not required to provide one. Gregg could have gotten his own attorney, he has THAT right, but it was his choice not to. Just who is to blame for that in your opinion kenny? No Ronny IF Gregg had gotten his own lawyer his lawyer would NOT have been permitted to appear and take part as a party. Maybe you should bone up on the law a bit before shooting your mouth off, the Iowa Supreme Court has had problems as well with these "STAR CHAMBER" type hearings and have eroded some of the state power of GESTAPO SOCIAL WORKERS because of the lack of Due Process. The ONLY reason this **** is still allowed is that so far the ACLU hasn't picked up a case to attack those draconian laws. In NO WAY is justice served by denying the accused an opportunity to be heard and defend himself except to you CPS Nazis. Holding a trial with the accused not present, not allowed to cross examine is despicable. It's more like a witch hunt than a judicial process. Despicable is what you did to your ex wifes daughter, your ex wife and your girlfriends daughter. Since Gregg was never allowed to protest the allegations how can YOU be so sure that he did that? |
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Arizona - CPS Case Worker Admits Credit Card Fraud
On Jan 5, 4:19*pm, " krp" wrote:
"ASSmonkey" wrote in message ... KW Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than Greg? LK Why shouldn't a foster parent be held LK to a higher standard of behavior LK then one he accuses of abuse? RVD gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point. I admit to doing things that YOU exaggerate to call abuse. The State of Iowa determined that what you did was abuse, greg. No exaggeration. Right just not the WHOLE story as usual Danny boy. *Was Gregg allowed to appear? Was Gregg allowed an attorney to represent him? Was gregg charged with a crime? *No. *He can get his own attorney, but since there was no criminal proceedings I don't really see a use for one. * * Ah Ronny *- YOU don't see the use for Gregg being allowed an attorney and to defend allegations against him in tghe dependency court. How QUAINT! I know that the world presents many difficulties for you kenny, but even you should know that unless one is charged with a crime that the state has no requirement to provide an attorney, right? * * But - asshole - a parent accused in a dependency action in MOST STATES is allowed to have an attorney appointed for them if they cannot afford one. SHould I say "almost all states." HOWEVER thanks for acknowledging several facts here you never intended to. What Gregg did or was accused of doing was no crime, buit only abuse in the veiw of SOCIAL WORKERS. The same SOCIAL WORKERS who testify that; "The ONLY reason a father has his daughter sit on his lap is for the proximity of his penis to her vagina." *Also thanks for acknowledging that Gregg was not permitted to be heard. So as you WEENIES try to make so much of his alleged CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY - we can keep this admission in mind. YOU don't see it. Well take comfort, the LAW of most states don't either. Neither does the Constitution of the United States, but what the hell its just a bit of paper, right kenny? * * No asshole you are wrong - although the issue itself has not been decided by the U.S. Supreme Court - it HAS by several State Supreme Courts and on that basis the Child Abuse registries have been found to be "UNCONSTIUTIONAL" and have been banned. *Fundamental lack of DUE PROCESS! Nice to be accused of an act and placed in a "REGISTRY" with absolutely NO opportunity to be heard to defend yourself. WHAT A COUNTRY! Wow, since when was being placed on a registry equal to being convicted of a crime? * * When State Supreme Courts SAID SO Ronny! The main part of your statement was "Now IF Gregg had been entitled to a court appointed lawyer". *He wasn't, and the state was not required to provide one. *Gregg could have gotten his own attorney, he has THAT right, but it was his choice not to. *Just who is to blame for that in your opinion kenny? * * No Ronny IF Gregg had gotten his own lawyer his lawyer would NOT have been permitted to appear and take part as a party. Maybe you should bone up on the law a bit before shooting your mouth off, the Iowa Supreme Court has had problems as well with these "STAR CHAMBER" type hearings and have eroded some of the state power of GESTAPO SOCIAL WORKERS because of the lack of Due Process. *The ONLY reason this **** is still allowed is that so far the ACLU hasn't picked up a case to attack those draconian laws. In NO WAY is justice served by denying the accused an opportunity to be heard and defend himself except to you CPS Nazis. Holding a trial with the accused not present, not allowed to cross examine is despicable. It's more like a witch hunt than a judicial process. Despicable is what you did to your ex wifes daughter, your ex wife and your girlfriends daughter. Since Gregg was never allowed to protest the allegations how can YOU be so sure that he did that? greg could have challenged the CPS finding of abuce. Ask him what happened. |
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Arizona - CPS Case Worker Admits Credit Card Fraud
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"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message ...: KW Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than Greg? LK Why shouldn't a foster parent be held LK to a higher standard of behavior LK then one he accuses of abuse? RVD gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point. I admit to doing things that YOU exaggerate to call abuse. The State of Iowa determined that what you did was abuse, greg. No exaggeration. Right just not the WHOLE story as usual Danny boy. Was Gregg allowed to appear? Was Gregg allowed an attorney to represent him? Was gregg charged with a crime? No. He can get his own attorney, but since there was no criminal proceedings I don't really see a use for one. Ah Ronny - YOU don't see the use for Gregg being allowed an attorney and to defend allegations against him in tghe dependency court. How QUAINT! I know that the world presents many difficulties for you kenny, but even you should know that unless one is charged with a crime that the state has no requirement to provide an attorney, right? But - asshole - a parent accused in a dependency action in MOST STATES is allowed to have an attorney appointed for them if they cannot afford one. SHould I say "almost all states." HOWEVER thanks for acknowledging several facts here you never intended to. What Gregg did or was accused of doing was no crime, buit only abuse in the veiw of SOCIAL WORKERS. The same SOCIAL WORKERS who testify that; "The ONLY reason a father has his daughter sit on his lap is for the proximity of his penis to her vagina." Also thanks for acknowledging that Gregg was not permitted to be heard. So as you WEENIES try to make so much of his alleged CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY - we can keep this admission in mind. YOU don't see it. Well take comfort, the LAW of most states don't either. Neither does the Constitution of the United States, but what the hell its just a bit of paper, right kenny? No asshole you are wrong - although the issue itself has not been decided by the U.S. Supreme Court - it HAS by several State Supreme Courts and on that basis the Child Abuse registries have been found to be "UNCONSTIUTIONAL" and have been banned. Fundamental lack of DUE PROCESS! Nice to be accused of an act and placed in a "REGISTRY" with absolutely NO opportunity to be heard to defend yourself. WHAT A COUNTRY! Wow, since when was being placed on a registry equal to being convicted of a crime? When State Supreme Courts SAID SO Ronny! The main part of your statement was "Now IF Gregg had been entitled to a court appointed lawyer". He wasn't, and the state was not required to provide one. Gregg could have gotten his own attorney, he has THAT right, but it was his choice not to. Just who is to blame for that in your opinion kenny? No Ronny IF Gregg had gotten his own lawyer his lawyer would NOT have been permitted to appear and take part as a party. Maybe you should bone up on the law a bit before shooting your mouth off, the Iowa Supreme Court has had problems as well with these "STAR CHAMBER" type hearings and have eroded some of the state power of GESTAPO SOCIAL WORKERS because of the lack of Due Process. The ONLY reason this **** is still allowed is that so far the ACLU hasn't picked up a case to attack those draconian laws. In NO WAY is justice served by denying the accused an opportunity to be heard and defend himself except to you CPS Nazis. Holding a trial with the accused not present, not allowed to cross examine is despicable. It's more like a witch hunt than a judicial process. Despicable is what you did to your ex wifes daughter, your ex wife and your girlfriends daughter. Since Gregg was never allowed to protest the allegations how can YOU be so sure that he did that? greg could have challenged the CPS finding of abuce. Ask him what happened. "Abuce?" No Attorney Sullivan he was NOT a party to the dependency action and therefore could NOT challenge any such finding had one been made. As I understand it no final determination has yet been made. However he lacks standing under Iowa laws to be heard OR represented in the process. Much less, if indigent he is NOT entitled to have a lawyer appointed for him. AGAIN - Attorney Sullivan it is a little thing called "DUE PROCESS." It is the central reason that many state Supreme Courts have ruled abuse registries to be "Unconstitutional." Even the U.S. Supreme Court in Santosky set evidence standards that people like you HATE and try to thwart. (Clear and convincing.) Tell us again why it should NOT apply in dependency cases Danny! |
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Arizona - CPS Case Worker Admits Credit Card Fraud
On Jan 5, 4:52*pm, " krp" wrote:
SPELLKOP"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message ...: KW Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than Greg? LK Why shouldn't a foster parent be held LK to a higher standard of behavior LK then one he accuses of abuse? RVD gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point. I admit to doing things that YOU exaggerate to call abuse. The State of Iowa determined that what you did was abuse, greg. No exaggeration. Right just not the WHOLE story as usual Danny boy. Was Gregg allowed to appear? Was Gregg allowed an attorney to represent him? Was gregg charged with a crime? No. He can get his own attorney, but since there was no criminal proceedings I don't really see a use for one. Ah Ronny - YOU don't see the use for Gregg being allowed an attorney and to defend allegations against him in tghe dependency court. How QUAINT! I know that the world presents many difficulties for you kenny, but even you should know that unless one is charged with a crime that the state has no requirement to provide an attorney, right? But - asshole - a parent accused in a dependency action in MOST STATES is allowed to have an attorney appointed for them if they cannot afford one. SHould I say "almost all states." HOWEVER thanks for acknowledging several facts here you never intended to. What Gregg did or was accused of doing was no crime, buit only abuse in the veiw of SOCIAL WORKERS. The same SOCIAL WORKERS who testify that; "The ONLY reason a father has his daughter sit on his lap is for the proximity of his penis to her vagina." Also thanks for acknowledging that Gregg was not permitted to be heard. So as you WEENIES try to make so much of his alleged CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY - we can keep this admission in mind. YOU don't see it. Well take comfort, the LAW of most states don't either. Neither does the Constitution of the United States, but what the hell its just a bit of paper, right kenny? No asshole you are wrong - although the issue itself has not been decided by the U.S. Supreme Court - it HAS by several State Supreme Courts and on that basis the Child Abuse registries have been found to be "UNCONSTIUTIONAL" and have been banned. Fundamental lack of DUE PROCESS! Nice to be accused of an act and placed in a "REGISTRY" with absolutely NO opportunity to be heard to defend yourself. WHAT A COUNTRY! Wow, since when was being placed on a registry equal to being convicted of a crime? When State Supreme Courts SAID SO Ronny! The main part of your statement was "Now IF Gregg had been entitled to a court appointed lawyer". He wasn't, and the state was not required to provide one. Gregg could have gotten his own attorney, he has THAT right, but it was his choice not to. Just who is to blame for that in your opinion kenny? No Ronny IF Gregg had gotten his own lawyer his lawyer would NOT have been permitted to appear and take part as a party. Maybe you should bone up on the law a bit before shooting your mouth off, the Iowa Supreme Court has had problems as well with these "STAR CHAMBER" type hearings and have eroded some of the state power of GESTAPO SOCIAL WORKERS because of the lack of Due Process. The ONLY reason this **** is still allowed is that so far the ACLU hasn't picked up a case to attack those draconian laws. In NO WAY is justice served by denying the accused an opportunity to be heard and defend himself except to you CPS Nazis. Holding a trial with the accused not present, not allowed to cross examine is despicable. It's more like a witch hunt than a judicial process. Despicable is what you did to your ex wifes daughter, your ex wife and your girlfriends daughter. Since Gregg was never allowed to protest the allegations how can YOU be so sure that he did that? greg could have challenged the CPS finding of abuce. Ask him what happened. * * "Abuce?" No Attorney Sullivan he was NOT a party to the dependency action and therefore could NOT challenge any such finding had one been made. greg could have challenged the finding CPS made against him. As I understand it no final determination has yet been made. Iowa CPA has determined the greg abused Lisa Watkins little girl. However he lacks standing under Iowa laws to be heard OR represented in the process. As the subject of the report he can challenge the finding. Do you not know that, piggy? Much less, if indigent he is NOT entitled to have a lawyer appointed for him. Is greg indigent? AGAIN - Attorney Sullivan it is a little thing called "DUE PROCESS." It is the central reason that many state Supreme Courts have ruled abuse registries to be "Unconstitutional." * Has the State Registry in Iowa been declared "Unconstitutional?" |
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Arizona - CPS Case Worker Admits Credit Card Fraud
On Jan 5, 3:19 pm, " krp" wrote:
"ASSmonkey" wrote in message ... KW Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than Greg? LK Why shouldn't a foster parent be held LK to a higher standard of behavior LK then one he accuses of abuse? RVD gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point. I admit to doing things that YOU exaggerate to call abuse. The State of Iowa determined that what you did was abuse, greg. No exaggeration. Right just not the WHOLE story as usual Danny boy. Was Gregg allowed to appear? Was Gregg allowed an attorney to represent him? Was gregg charged with a crime? No. He can get his own attorney, but since there was no criminal proceedings I don't really see a use for one. Ah Ronny - YOU don't see the use for Gregg being allowed an attorney and to defend allegations against him in tghe dependency court. How QUAINT! I know that the world presents many difficulties for you kenny, but even you should know that unless one is charged with a crime that the state has no requirement to provide an attorney, right? But - asshole - a parent accused in a dependency action in MOST STATES is allowed to have an attorney appointed for them if they cannot afford one. SHould I say "almost all states." HOWEVER thanks for acknowledging several facts here you never intended to. What Gregg did or was accused of doing was no crime, buit only abuse in the veiw of SOCIAL WORKERS. The same SOCIAL WORKERS who testify that; "The ONLY reason a father has his daughter sit on his lap is for the proximity of his penis to her vagina." Also thanks for acknowledging that Gregg was not permitted to be heard. So as you WEENIES try to make so much of his alleged CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY - we can keep this admission in mind. YOU don't see it. Well take comfort, the LAW of most states don't either. Neither does the Constitution of the United States, but what the hell its just a bit of paper, right kenny? No asshole you are wrong - although the issue itself has not been decided by the U.S. Supreme Court - it HAS by several State Supreme Courts and on that basis the Child Abuse registries have been found to be "UNCONSTIUTIONAL" and have been banned. Fundamental lack of DUE PROCESS! Nice to be accused of an act and placed in a "REGISTRY" with absolutely NO opportunity to be heard to defend yourself. WHAT A COUNTRY! Wow, since when was being placed on a registry equal to being convicted of a crime? When State Supreme Courts SAID SO Ronny! The main part of your statement was "Now IF Gregg had been entitled to a court appointed lawyer". He wasn't, and the state was not required to provide one. Gregg could have gotten his own attorney, he has THAT right, but it was his choice not to. Just who is to blame for that in your opinion kenny? No Ronny IF Gregg had gotten his own lawyer his lawyer would NOT have been permitted to appear and take part as a party. Maybe you should bone up on the law a bit before shooting your mouth off, the Iowa Supreme Court has had problems as well with these "STAR CHAMBER" type hearings and have eroded some of the state power of GESTAPO SOCIAL WORKERS because of the lack of Due Process. The ONLY reason this **** is still allowed is that so far the ACLU hasn't picked up a case to attack those draconian laws. In NO WAY is justice served by denying the accused an opportunity to be heard and defend himself except to you CPS Nazis. Holding a trial with the accused not present, not allowed to cross examine is despicable. It's more like a witch hunt than a judicial process. Despicable is what you did to your ex wifes daughter, your ex wife and your girlfriends daughter. Since Gregg was never allowed to protest the allegations how can YOU be so sure that he did that? keenie, here is the 2nd page of the founded child abuse form from the state of Iowa, taken off that states own website.Pay close attention to the paragraph tittled: REQUESTS FOR CORRECTION OF A CHILD PROTECTION ASSESSMENT SUMMARY: greeg had 6 months to appeal the findings, he could have hired an attorney at any time within the allotted 6 months. You are a legal joke panborn Incident Number: SUMMARY OF RECOMMENDATIONS: Treatment services were recommended or continued (DHS or other agency). Juvenile court action was recommended or continued. ACCESS TO CHILD ABUSE INFORMATION: A subject of a child protection assessment summary has the right to receive information from that summary. "Subjects" include the child victim; person allegedly responsible for the abuse; parent, guardian, or custodian of a child named as abused in the report; and a lawyer representing any subject. If you are a subject and did not receive the written summary with this notice, you may request the summary by completing the section below and returning it to the county DHS office at the address on this notice. A limited number of professionals or agencies may also receive child abuse information under certain circumstances, but confidentiality of child abuse information is protected by law. The mandatory reporter may request a copy of founded child abuse assessments. [Legal reference: Iowa Code section 235A.15(2)] Name of requester: Address: Relationship to child(ren) named in the report: REDISSEMINATION: A person who receives child abuse information may not give that information to another person (redisseminate it) unless permitted by law. If you give child abuse information to another person, you need to make a written record of this action and send it within 30 days to the Central Abuse Registry, 5th Floor, 1305 E Walnut Street, Des Moines, Iowa 50319-0114. [Legal reference: Iowa Code section 235A.17(1)] CRIMINAL PENALTIES: Any person who attempts to obtain child abuse information under false pretenses, who gives false child abuse information, or who violates any laws on the release of child abuse information may be charged with a misdemeanor. [Legal reference: Iowa Code section 235A.21] EFFECT OF A FOUNDED CHILD ABUSE REPORT: A founded child abuse record is not a criminal conviction. If you are determined to be responsible for the abuse of a child and your name is placed on the Central Abuse Registry, you may be prohibited from providing child care or foster care for children. You may also be prohibited from adopting a child, working in a child care facility, or caring for a dependent adult. Any prohibition will depend on the Department's evaluation of the child protection summary. [Legal reference: Iowa Code sections 125.14A(2), 135C.33, 135H.7(2), 218.13, 232.71D, 235A.15, 237.8, 237A.5 and 236A. 5] REQUESTS FOR CORRECTION OF A CHILD PROTECTION ASSESSMENT SUMMARY: If you are the subject of a child abuse report and you believe that the conclusion or any part of the summary is in error, you may request correction of the information. To make such a request, you must send a written and signed statement which tells why you disagree with the summary or conclusions within six months of the date on this notice. Requests for correction should be sent to the Appeals Section, 1305 E Walnut Street, Des Moines, Iowa 50319-0114, to request an administrative hearing. [Legal reference: Iowa Code section 235A.19] ADDENDUM SUMMARY: If an addendum changes the findings of the original assessment, you have six months from the date of this notice to request a correction. If it does not change the findings, the six-month period to request a review is based on the date of your original notice. Please follow those directions if you choose to proceed with the appeal process. |
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Arizona - CPS Case Worker Admits Credit Card Fraud
"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message ... KW Why is Ron held to a higher standard of behavior than Greg? LK Why shouldn't a foster parent be held LK to a higher standard of behavior LK then one he accuses of abuse? RVD gregg admits to abusing, but that is beside the point. I admit to doing things that YOU exaggerate to call abuse. The State of Iowa determined that what you did was abuse, greg. No exaggeration. Right just not the WHOLE story as usual Danny boy. Was Gregg allowed to appear? Was Gregg allowed an attorney to represent him? Was gregg charged with a crime? No. He can get his own attorney, but since there was no criminal proceedings I don't really see a use for one. Ah Ronny - YOU don't see the use for Gregg being allowed an attorney and to defend allegations against him in tghe dependency court. How QUAINT! I know that the world presents many difficulties for you kenny, but even you should know that unless one is charged with a crime that the state has no requirement to provide an attorney, right? But - asshole - a parent accused in a dependency action in MOST STATES is allowed to have an attorney appointed for them if they cannot afford one. Should I say "almost all states." HOWEVER thanks for acknowledging several facts here you never intended to. What Gregg did or was accused of doing was no crime, buit only abuse in the veiw of SOCIAL WORKERS. The same SOCIAL WORKERS who testify that; "The ONLY reason a father has his daughter sit on his lap is for the proximity of his penis to her vagina." Also thanks for acknowledging that Gregg was not permitted to be heard. So as you WEENIES try to make so much of his alleged CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY - we can keep this admission in mind. YOU don't see it. Well take comfort, the LAW of most states don't either. Neither does the Constitution of the United States, but what the hell its just a bit of paper, right kenny? No asshole you are wrong - although the issue itself has not been decided by the U.S. Supreme Court - it HAS by several State Supreme Courts and on that basis the Child Abuse registries have been found to be "UNCONSTIUTIONAL" and have been banned. Fundamental lack of DUE PROCESS! Nice to be accused of an act and placed in a "REGISTRY" with absolutely NO opportunity to be heard to defend yourself. WHAT A COUNTRY! Wow, since when was being placed on a registry equal to being convicted of a crime? When State Supreme Courts SAID SO Ronny! The main part of your statement was "Now IF Gregg had been entitled to a court appointed lawyer". He wasn't, and the state was not required to provide one. Gregg could have gotten his own attorney, he has THAT right, but it was his choice not to. Just who is to blame for that in your opinion kenny? No Ronny IF Gregg had gotten his own lawyer his lawyer would NOT have been permitted to appear and take part as a party. Maybe you should bone up on the law a bit before shooting your mouth off, the Iowa Supreme Court has had problems as well with these "STAR CHAMBER" type hearings and have eroded some of the state power of GESTAPO SOCIAL WORKERS because of the lack of Due Process. The ONLY reason this **** is still allowed is that so far the ACLU hasn't picked up a case to attack those draconian laws. In NO WAY is justice served by denying the accused an opportunity to be heard and defend himself except to you CPS Nazis. Holding a trial with the accused not present, not allowed to cross examine is despicable. It's more like a witch hunt than a judicial process. Despicable is what you did to your ex wifes daughter, your ex wife and your girlfriends daughter. Since Gregg was never allowed to protest the allegations how can YOU beso sure that he did that? greg could have challenged the CPS finding of abuce. Ask him what happened. "Abuce?" No Attorney Sullivan he was NOT a party to the dependency action and therefore could NOT challenge any such finding had one been made. greg could have challenged the finding CPS made against him. No dip**** he could NOT. He was not permitted to have a lawyer appear for him or to he HEARD at all. By LAW he was not a party to the dependency action, only the mother was allowed a lawyer and to be heard. Gregg was NOT! As I understand it no final determination has yet been made. Iowa CPA has determined the greg abused Lisa Watkins little girl. But the COURTS have not. That some whackadoodle social worker has made such a finding only matters to CPS agents like yourself and Ron. The matter is till pending before the courts as I understand it. The SAD thing is that Gregg hasn't the legan standing to challenge their finding. He's NOT a party! He CANNOT defend the claims. However he lacks standing under Iowa laws to be heard OR represented in the process. As the subject of the report he can challenge the finding. Do you not know that, piggy? No ATTORNEY Sullivan you are wrong again. He does NOT have "party status" to challenge anything. You are 100% wrong AGAIN with your LEGAL OPINIONS! It is because of THAT FACT that state after state Supreme Court had rules the Abuse registried UNCONSTITUTIONAL! Much less, if indigent he is NOT entitled to have a lawyer appointed for him. Is greg indigent? Apparently he can't afford a lawyer of his own. AGAIN - Attorney Sullivan it is a little thing called "DUE PROCESS." It is the central reason that many state Supreme Courts have ruled abuse registries to be "Unconstitutional." Has the State Registry in Iowa been declared "Unconstitutional?" As such, NO, BUT some aspects of it have been found to be void and rules imposed on CPS. The ONLY reason that it hasn't been found to be unconstitutional yet is that the ACLU or some other legal entity has not argued a case yet. But MANY states have Danny the LAWYER wannabe! |
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