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Old April 3rd 04, 07:12 AM
Doan
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There lies, damn lies, and statistics! Would your old master, Chris
Dunga, dare to debate with these? ;-)


Homicide trends in the U.S. Age trends


Rates | Numbers

Homicide Offending Rates per 100,000 Population by Age

Year Under 14 14-17 18-24 25-34 35-49 50+ Spanking Approval rate

1986 .2 11.7 23.4 17.6 9.9 2.9 83.38
1988 .2 15.5 26.9 16.5 8.9 2.7 79.29
1989 .3 18.1 30.2 16.4 8.4 2.5 77.67
1990 .2 23.7 34.4 17.6 9.5 2.5 79.08
1991 .3 26.6 40.8 18.6 8.2 2.3 68.06
1994 .3 29.3 39.6 15.2 7.4 2.0 68.59


Sources:
1) U.S. Department of Justice - Office of Justice Programs
Homocide trends in the U.S.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homocid...es/oagetab.htm

2) Social Change And Trends In Approval Of Corporal Punishment
By Parents From 1968 to 1994.
Murray A. Straus and Anitar K. Mathur
www.unh.edu/frl/cp27.thm

Doan

On 2 Apr 2004, Kane wrote:

(Kane) wrote in message om...
I have never in my whole life feared police, and I have no criminal
record nor have I ever done crime.

So I have to ask, in all innocence, why would we want our children to
fear police? Police are supposed to help, and all the police I knew
and know, with rare exceptions like this blowhard twit Sugenour, are
kind and helpful, unless you do a crime, and then they tend to be
business like.

Twice I've been stopped and questioned in very very bad
circumstances...once a cop had been shot at in my neighborhood and I
was driving a car similar to the suspect. I was treated respectfully
even though the police were very careful to protect themselves....and
I could very well see that as long as I followed their directions....I
WAS PROTECTED AS WELL.

Sugie lies, and so do you. And you both have the same excuse.
Superstition ridden ignoramacies that wouldn't know fact if it bit'em
in the ass. "Researcher" R R R R R.........

http://www.geocities.com/cddugan/NoFear1.htm

http://www.geocities.com/cddugan/NoFear5.htm

Plant, I realize how very hard it is to find anything that actually
supports the claim that spanking has beneficial effects (in fact it's
impossible to find a single study anywhere...just nonsense like this
author) but you could do better than to pick such a discredited
"author" as this.

He appears to be a Dobson on steroids...more cruel, more dangerous (he
recommends doing things that can cause permanent damange to the
recipient), and more full of himself and biblical bushwah than just
about anyone I've run across outside your bosses.

Since you won't admit to or deny being or working for organized folks
We shall assume henceforth YOU DO. Seems logical.

Now just so you'll have A hole to duck into:

YOU are a **** filled gasbag of a liar.

Now you can claim I use ad hom, while you use one on me and think
yourself clever. And ooooo so innocent.

You are a danger, in denial, to humanity.

Kane


Just as I predicted. No attempt to debate the issue of a lying ****
...ops there's that word again...most fitting in this
context.......cop that claims something not true and recommends
"discipline" that risks serious injury, possibly even death. Head
strikes are very dangerous, even with the open hand.

Please remember my martial arts experience.....coming up on 50 years
now.

You may refer to me as Sensei. Or Sien Song. Or as Vo Thuat Master.

So, what do you think of the cop that claims that teens are out of
control and need to be afraid of adults? And the the use of CP, with
of course that limit you describe so well smile being honored.

Or would you like another ad hom escape hatch?

R R R R R

Arline of USC, and Arlina of R R R, aps asking for ME to send the
study....sure, Droaner. Just a coincidence. R R R R R RR R R R R R
R R ....wheez

Kane


  #22  
Old April 3rd 04, 05:14 PM
Kane
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On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:12:36 -0800, Doan wrote:

The Aline Alina escapade must have overtaxed your brain and you fell
on your own sword in remorse....

I can't believe you screwed up as you do below. Aline write this for
you?

There lies, damn lies, and statistics! Would your old master, Chris
Dunga, dare to debate with these? ;-)


Odd, I thought that you prided yourself on only giving back what was
given to you. I don't see any posts from Chris using ad hom against
you.

Not much Face. Your parents would be appalled. And probably spank you,
fruitlessly, yet again.


Homicide trends in the U.S. Age trends


Rates | Numbers

Homicide Offending Rates per 100,000 Population by Age

Year Under 14 14-17 18-24 25-34 35-49 50+ Spanking Approval rate

1986 .2 11.7 23.4 17.6 9.9 2.9 83.38
1988 .2 15.5 26.9 16.5 8.9 2.7 79.29
1989 .3 18.1 30.2 16.4 8.4 2.5 77.67
1990 .2 23.7 34.4 17.6 9.5 2.5 79.08
1991 .3 26.6 40.8 18.6 8.2 2.3 68.06
1994 .3 29.3 39.6 15.2 7.4 2.0 68.59


Gosh, Droany, any reason you stopped with 1994, like to conceal the
continuing downward trend of homicide by

1998 .2 12.9 31.1 12.4 5.4 1.6

Hell, even the gangbangers were easing off considerably. Looks like
less approval of spanking is having a positive effect on the homicide
rate after all....R R R R R R, downward.

I wonder what the downward trending Spanking approval rating was in
1998? R R R R R R

This is jolly. Look at the figures. Spanking approval rating going
DOWN, while the homicide offending rate for the ages 14 - clear
through 50 also going DOWN.

The only blip is in the gang banger age range...something no one would
argue with. This hardly reflects the general population when you have
a peak in an isolated community.

The peaking in 1991 seems to be representative of HIGHER spanking
approval ratings in previous years, when these teens were tots. Or
didn't you think of that, oh one dimensional boy?

Over all the trend seems to be downward, as in:

1998 .2 12.9 31.1 12.4 5.4 1.6 R R RR R ... you are a gas and a
fabulous source of humor for cocktail parties.

By the way, the spanking approval rate, least anyone be mislead is NOT
from the DOJ...but from Mathur and Straus as Droaner listed below. .

What were you trying to prove...that you are WRONG? That spankers and
those believing in it are WRONG?

You couldn't have done a better job of screwing yourself.

What is WITH you Droaner. You becoming an anti spanker?

Tell us again how to find the line between CP and abuse....R R R R R

Sources:
1) U.S. Department of Justice - Office of Justice Programs
Homocide trends in the U.S.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homocid...es/oagetab.htm


Your URL is dead.

It's:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/htius.pdf

[Find] "Homicide Offending Rates per 100,000
Population by Age"

2) Social Change And Trends In Approval Of Corporal Punishment
By Parents From 1968 to 1994.


This was your only reason for cutting off the homicide data AFTER 94?

Do you think the Spanking approval rating is going UP? You twits got
balls, that's for sure, no matter how wrong you are you persist.

Good for you child. That's how we best learn, by our mistakes.

Murray A. Straus and Anitar K. Mathur
www.unh.edu/frl/cp27.thm

Doan


Yah crack me up, boy. You twitterers so often screw yourselves, but
this has to be a classic.

It made me laugh so hard I have to give you an escape clause:

As you spanking compulsives have so often whined in the past,
correlation is not causation.

There there, now have a glass of milk and a cookie and go play in the
sandbox.

R R R R R R R R R

Kane


On 2 Apr 2004, Kane wrote:

(Kane) wrote in message om...
I have never in my whole life feared police, and I have no

criminal
record nor have I ever done crime.

So I have to ask, in all innocence, why would we want our

children to
fear police? Police are supposed to help, and all the police I

knew
and know, with rare exceptions like this blowhard twit Sugenour,

are
kind and helpful, unless you do a crime, and then they tend to be
business like.

Twice I've been stopped and questioned in very very bad
circumstances...once a cop had been shot at in my neighborhood

and I
was driving a car similar to the suspect. I was treated

respectfully
even though the police were very careful to protect

themselves....and
I could very well see that as long as I followed their

directions....I
WAS PROTECTED AS WELL.

Sugie lies, and so do you. And you both have the same excuse.
Superstition ridden ignoramacies that wouldn't know fact if it

bit'em
in the ass. "Researcher" R R R R R.........

http://www.geocities.com/cddugan/NoFear1.htm

http://www.geocities.com/cddugan/NoFear5.htm

Plant, I realize how very hard it is to find anything that

actually
supports the claim that spanking has beneficial effects (in fact

it's
impossible to find a single study anywhere...just nonsense like

this
author) but you could do better than to pick such a discredited
"author" as this.

He appears to be a Dobson on steroids...more cruel, more

dangerous (he
recommends doing things that can cause permanent damange to the
recipient), and more full of himself and biblical bushwah than

just
about anyone I've run across outside your bosses.

Since you won't admit to or deny being or working for organized

folks
We shall assume henceforth YOU DO. Seems logical.

Now just so you'll have A hole to duck into:

YOU are a **** filled gasbag of a liar.

Now you can claim I use ad hom, while you use one on me and think
yourself clever. And ooooo so innocent.

You are a danger, in denial, to humanity.

Kane


Just as I predicted. No attempt to debate the issue of a lying ****
...ops there's that word again...most fitting in this
context.......cop that claims something not true and recommends
"discipline" that risks serious injury, possibly even death. Head
strikes are very dangerous, even with the open hand.

Please remember my martial arts experience.....coming up on 50

years
now.

You may refer to me as Sensei. Or Sien Song. Or as Vo Thuat Master.

So, what do you think of the cop that claims that teens are out of
control and need to be afraid of adults? And the the use of CP,

with
of course that limit you describe so well smile being honored.

Or would you like another ad hom escape hatch?

R R R R R

Arline of USC, and Arlina of R R R, aps asking for ME to send the
study....sure, Droaner. Just a coincidence. R R R R R RR R R R R

R
R R ....wheez

Kane

 




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