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Help wanted for woman facing induction
One of the blogs I follow on the Net - http://www.leerypolyp.blogs.com
- is written by a woman now overdue with her first child. She's given the various non-medical methods of induction a fairly thorough try, with no luck, and is imminently facing the prospect of a pitocin induction. She is smart and well-informed and knows that pitocin induction is more likely to lead to complications and increased intervention, and is not keen on this idea. She is going to have one more try at a home birth (her original plan), this time with amniotomy at home. If that doesn't work, next stop is the pitocin. Now, as I've said, she already knows the various alternative methods she can try - she's tried the nipple twiddling, the sex, the walking around, two doses of castor oil. No joy. What she's lamenting is the lack of advice on how best to cope if she _does_ end up going the pit route. She is getting very fed up by the fact that the various books that tell her about what a Bad Thing pitocin induction is, and how she should try to avoid it if possible, are less forthcoming on suggestions for how best to cope if she can't avoid it, which is looking increasingly likely to be the case. So, if anyone does have any good suggestions for coping with a pit induction, could they possibly check out her blog and consider posting them in the comments section (after skimming through to make sure fifty other people haven't chimed in with the same suggestion first)? Thanks. All the best, Sarah -- http://www.goodenoughmummy.blogspot.com |
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I've given tips on another email list about how to deal with induction, but
I really am wondering why she is doing anything if she is just overdue... anyway, here are my tips *consider carefully the placement of the drip, most doctors will have there own preferred position, which might not be yours, some people are fine with it in the back of the hand, I personally prefer back of the arm, but make sure it gets strapped, so it doesn't get knocked. *personally I'd go for pitocin without ARM, particularly for a first child as ARM alone is very unlikely to work, my logic is that if things go badly, you can stop and have some sleep, plus any malpositions seem to be more easily resolved with intact membranes *monitoring, do not lie on your back to be monitored, ever, lieing on your side is sooooo much better, along with all other possible positions, such as kneeling, using a birth ball etc. *VEs, avoid them as much as possible, but if when you have them puff on the gas and air if it's available, it really helped to relax me and make them less unpleasant. *drink plenty, eat what you fancy *when it comes to pushing, remember Todd, even if you have had an epidural you can still lie on your side *don't be stitched if you tear unless it is really necessary, if they say you only need 1, then you really don't need any *after delivery continue to drink loads of water, in an unfamilar hospital environment you are much more likely to forget about this, so make a concious effort *leave the hospital ASAP, it's not the same as a homebirth, but being home 5hrs after the birth of my daughter gave me a significant proportion of the reasons for homebirth, such as it being better for getting breastfeeding started, also better food! Hope this helps Anne |
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I agree pretty much with what Anne says having had two children both with
labour augmented with the drip! My fore waters broke with number one and hind waters with number 2 yet no signs of labour starting, even after 3 days! With number 1 I was advised to have an epidural as the contractions prodcuced as a result of the drip are supposedley a lot more intense and longer than if things are done natuirally. Sadly my epidural went wrong and I was numb from shoulders to toes. It took six people to get me into a lying position as I was a dead weight. As I was in an awkward position, very tired etc and after anb hour and a half of pushing I ended up with forceps and stiches, but a healthy baby boy who is now 2. With number 2 I wanted to avoid an Epidural at all costs and the experience was completely differnet. I ignored the advice to have an epidural and managed with a tens machine then gas and air. I was able to get up whilst being monitered and sit on a birthing ball. Also they allowed me small stretches to walk around without being monitered. However due to the nature of the drip all of a sudden my contractions became so intense and one on top of each other the drip had to be turned down twice and I had some pethadine. This did make me very dozy/sleepy and I had to lie down. I did get the sudden urge to push and after half an hour a happy healthy little girl who is 5 months old. This is my own experience of two labours that have been induced with the drip and both are very different. If the epiudural had not gone wrong the first time I am sure my labour would have been different, but the end result was still the same 2 beautiful children. Hope this can be of some help. Debbie "Anne Rogers" wrote in message ... I've given tips on another email list about how to deal with induction, but I really am wondering why she is doing anything if she is just overdue... anyway, here are my tips *consider carefully the placement of the drip, most doctors will have there own preferred position, which might not be yours, some people are fine with it in the back of the hand, I personally prefer back of the arm, but make sure it gets strapped, so it doesn't get knocked. *personally I'd go for pitocin without ARM, particularly for a first child as ARM alone is very unlikely to work, my logic is that if things go badly, you can stop and have some sleep, plus any malpositions seem to be more easily resolved with intact membranes *monitoring, do not lie on your back to be monitored, ever, lieing on your side is sooooo much better, along with all other possible positions, such as kneeling, using a birth ball etc. *VEs, avoid them as much as possible, but if when you have them puff on the gas and air if it's available, it really helped to relax me and make them less unpleasant. *drink plenty, eat what you fancy *when it comes to pushing, remember Todd, even if you have had an epidural you can still lie on your side *don't be stitched if you tear unless it is really necessary, if they say you only need 1, then you really don't need any *after delivery continue to drink loads of water, in an unfamilar hospital environment you are much more likely to forget about this, so make a concious effort *leave the hospital ASAP, it's not the same as a homebirth, but being home 5hrs after the birth of my daughter gave me a significant proportion of the reasons for homebirth, such as it being better for getting breastfeeding started, also better food! Hope this helps Anne |
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Has she tried Pineapple? Sounds odd, I know. But after trying other
methods myself, I came across the same suggestion online. Ate a pretty good quantity of pineapple before bed, and the next morning labor started. *shrug* might be a coincidence, but its not like its gonna hurt to try it! Kathi |
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Kathi wrote:
Has she tried Pineapple? Sounds odd, I know. But after trying other methods myself, I came across the same suggestion online. Ate a pretty good quantity of pineapple before bed, and the next morning labor started. *shrug* might be a coincidence, but its not like its gonna hurt to try it! Fresh, not tinned, isn't it? -- Grymma AFPOh Goddess Of Hangovers; B.F.(use 'reply to') "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." --Robert A. Heinlein |
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I'd ignore anyone who suggests get an epidural in advance (unless there is any strong reason to do one), it's definitely possible to manage an induced labour without one, though I haven't done it myself, why make things more complicated than you need to. However, do prepare for the fact that you may not cope well and decide to have one, I wasn't really prepared for this and felt very guilty and upset that I had had one. 2nd time around there were different reasons behind it and I was well prepared and feel glad that it was available. Anne |
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BLOGGING FOR BABIES (Two bizarre, easily avoided obstetric behaviors are
discussed below.) ALSO: BIG BABY NOT AN INDICATION FOR INDUCTION "[A]mong uncomplicated pregnancies suspicion of macrosomia is not an indication for induction or for primary cesarean delivery." --Chauhan et al. Am J Obstet Gynecol. 2005 Aug;193(2):332-46 "Up to 10% of pregnancies are not delivered by 42 weeks...[and o]nly a small number of pregnancies that go past 42 weeks have problems. In fact, about 95% of postterm babies are born without problems." --American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG, 2005) DID YOUR BABY HAVE PROBLEMS AFTER BIRTH? I suspect that some babies have problems because of easily avoided bizarre obstetric behaviors... PREGNANT WOMEN (induced or not): Obstetricians are closing birth canals up to 30%. Worse, obstetricians are KEEPING birth canals closed the "extra" up to 30% when babies get stuck - as they push with oxytocin (see below) and pull with hands, forceps and vacuums. LADIES: It is easy for you to allow your birth canal to OPEN the "extra" up to 30%. See below. ANOTHER EASILY AVOIDED BIZARRE OBSTETRIC BEHAVIOR... Obstetricians are routinely IMMEDIATELY clamping babies' umbilical cords thereby routinely STRANGLING BABIES^^^... This routine baby strangling robs massive amounts of blood (up to 50%) and happens to EVERY CESAREAN BABY, according to retired obstetrician George Malcolm Morley, MB ChB FACOG... MOST bizar As Dr. Morley notes, obstetricians sever the baby's natural oxygenation/transfusion device (the umbilical cord) and hand the baby to a pediatrician who rushes across the room to resuscitate the baby. What insanity. There is no reason pediatricians can't figure out how to do their ministrations without amputating the mother (severing the cord). It's obvious mass child abuse. I am in favor of pardons in advance for MDs because as med students they are trained to perform mass child abuse. See: ACOG's 2005 edition: How NOT to birth http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/3606 ^^^STRANGLING BABIES It sounds crazy to say that obstetricians are routinely strangling babies - but that is exactly what they are doing: Most newborns are still breathing through their umbilical cords at delivery. NOTE: Instead of simply reporting the mass child abuse, to protect his fellow obstetricians, Dr. Morley (mentioned above) has said to me that reporting the mass child abuse would not stop it. Dr. Morley publicly recommends a TEMPORARY baby strangling experiment * to help MDs understand that they shouldnıt be robbing babies of up to 50% of their blood volume. Here is Dr. Morleyıs temporary baby strangling experiment: "[T]he umbilical cord [is] immediately closed between finger and thumb...The [fetal heart rate/FHR] will decelerate quickly to about 60 bpm...the color will change from purple-pink (normal at birth) to pallid blue (vaso-constriction and asphyxia.)...Few midwives or obstetricians will be able to observe, without interference, a deep, prolonged FHR deceleration on a non-breathing newborn for a period of 60 seconds.* Common sense will soon release the finger and thumb." http://www.cordclamping.com/acog-cp.htm Obviously, exhorting obstetricians to perform "lesser" child abuse (Dr. Morley's temporary baby strangling) is not the way to end the bizarre **permanent** baby strangling that robs babies of up to 50% of their blood volume. PREGNANT WOMEN: To make sure your baby gets the "extra" up to 50% of blood volume, do not let the obstetrician or midwife clamp your baby's umbilical cord until it has stopped pulsating and your baby is pink and breathing and not in need of resuscitation. *Talk to your obstetrician or midwife today. WOMAN OVERDUE... British general practitioner Dr. Sarah Vaughan wrote: One of the blogs I follow on the Net - http://www.leerypolyp.blogs.com - is written by a woman now overdue with her first child. She's given the various non-medical methods of induction a fairly thorough try, with no luck, and is imminently facing the prospect of a pitocin induction. Dr. Vaughan recommended that people respond. Anne Rogers mentioned me in one of her recommendations (thank you Anne!). Anne wrote: "...when it comes to pushing, remember Todd, even if you have had an epidural you can still lie on your side..." Here is the URL for Anne's complete response... http://groups-beta.google.com/group/ misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/7e11f674f7a38778? FOR ANY NEW READERS... Anne is making reference to my persistent protest (see above) that medicine's most common delivery positions - semisitting and dorsal - close the birth canal up to 30%. FOR WOMEN WITH EPIDURALS... As Anne alludes, even with an epidural, women can allow their birth canals to open the "extra" up to 30% - simply by rolling onto their side. If the hospital bed does not have a stirrup to support your top leg as you lie on your side and push, you will need an assistant to hold your leg. Hospitals/obstetricians/midwives that do not get women off their backs as they push their babies out are obviously committing a criminal act. The simple biomechanics have been in the medical literature since early last century; I published them late last century. [Gastaldo TD. Birth. 1992;19(4):230-1] Obstetricians have been lying to cover-up the obvious crime. For the Four OB Lies (they are whoppers)... See again: ACOG's 2005 edition: How NOT to birth http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/3606 (Note: As indicated above, I am in favor of pardons in advance for medical doctors. As med students they are TRAINED to perform the obvious felonies discussed in the just-cited URL.) FOR WOMEN WITHOUT EPIDURALS... LOTS of delivery positions allow the birth canal to open the "extra" up to 30% including: side-lying (already mentioned), kneeling, hands-and-knees, knee-chest (woman on hands-and-knees lowers her chest to the bed), kneeling/leaning against the upraised head of the bed, squatting, standing etc. NOTE: My bet is that women with epidurals could be maneuvered, with extra assistance/assistants, to, say, kneeling/leaning against the upraised head of the bed. Anyone know for sure? British general practitioner Dr. Sarah Vaughan continued... [This woman who is overdue] is smart and well-informed and knows that pitocin induction is more likely to lead to complications and increased intervention, and is not keen on this idea. She is going to have one more try at a home birth (her original plan), this time with amniotomy at home. If that doesn't work, next stop is the pitocin. Now, as I've said, she already knows the various alternative methods she can try - she's tried the nipple twiddling, the sex, the walking around, two doses of castor oil. No joy. What she's lamenting is the lack of advice on how best to cope if she _does_ end up going the pit route. She is getting very fed up by the fact that the various books that tell her about what a Bad Thing pitocin induction is, and how she should try to avoid it if possible, are less forthcoming on suggestions for how best to cope if she can't avoid it, which is looking increasingly likely to be the case. So, if anyone does have any good suggestions for coping with a pit induction, could they possibly check out her blog and consider posting them in the comments section (after skimming through to make sure fifty other people haven't chimed in with the same suggestion first)? Thanks. THANK YOU SARAH I want to thank Sarah (Dr. Vaughan) for calling attention to the overdue woman. (Also, I want to thank Sarah, again, for mentioning me in her birth story. Thanks Sarah.) I will cc this to the overdue woman - Jo - via and post this to her comment section via http://leerypolyp.blogs.com/the_leer..._lot_.html#com ments Hopefully by the time I post this Jo will have given birth. TWO LAST MATTERS... 1. Jo has a miniature version of misc.kids.pregnancy going. Pregnant women who are not aware of misc.kids.pregnancy should look into it. Following birth, many women stay on misc.kids.pregnancy and offer advice to women who ask. No doubt many women will keep reading Jo's blog after she gives birth. There are pitfalls to blogs/newsgroups - but I think on the whole they are important information resources for pregnant women - which is why I post to them. 2. Helping obstetricians and midwives "transition"... Jo wrote in her blog: "...I gripe about the gulf between the medical model and the midwifery model, and how they should be learning from each other. Medicine offers no compassion and no evidence-based protocols for offsetting problems without creating other problems, and the crunchy natural world seems to be refusing to consider a need for medical intervention, or at least unwilling to help mitigate the transition." http://www.leerypolyp.blogs.com/ Probably because midwives, too, have been closing birth canals the "extra" up to 30%, prominent midwives of both the direct-entry and CNMwife persuasions (Jan Tritten and Helen Varney, respectively) have actually PROMOTED birth-canal-closing/semisitting after I have exhorted them not to... Henci Goer - a prominent childbirth education author who has billed herself as "the other side" - is bizarrely silent about obstetricians closing birth canals the "extra" up to 30% and keeping birth canals closed when babies get stuck. Women shouldn't have to ASK for the "extra" up to 30% of room in the birth canal or for the "extra" up to 50% of blood for their babies. Most women don't KNOW to ask... British general practitioner Dr. Sarah Vaughan, I once again implore you - I implore ALL medical doctors reading - PLEASE write to your employers/trusts/hospitals and say "Dr. Gastaldo is right" - demand that they stop letting their obstetricians close birth canals and rob baby blood. Or at the very least, please write to your employers/trusts/hospitals and say that you think Dr. Gastaldo MAY be right. Note: ANYONE can write/blog about these grisly obstetric travesties. Obstetricians really are routinely STRANGLING babies and robbing massive amounts of blood from them... Obstetricians really are routinely closing birth canals the "extra" up to 30% and keeping birth canals closed when babies get stuck. It is hard for cultural authorities (medical doctors) to admit they have been committing obvious massive crimes - ignoring the medical literature - lying to cover-up. So, again, I am in favor of pardons in advance for medical doctors because as medical students they are TRAINED to perform obvious felonies. Thanks for reading everyone. Sincerely, Todd Dr. Gastaldo Hillsboro, Oregon USA This post will be archived for global access in the Google usenet archive. Search http://groups.google.com for "Blogging for babies (also: Big baby not an indication for induction)" |
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BLOG-READING PREGNANT WOMEN...
It's easy to allow your birth canal to open an "extra" up to 30%. It's easy to allow your baby to have an "extra" up to 50% of blood volume. See below. Jo (leerypolypblog) publicly asked/blogged for recommendations in regard to a possible pitocin induction. So I posted a recommendation (actually a clarification of a woman who recommended "remember Todd")... Jo also publicly remarked/blogged about obstetrican/midwife difficulties... So I wrote about obstetricians and midwives routinely closing birth canals up to 30% and routinely robbing babies of up to 50% of their blood volume... See "Blogging for babies (also: Big baby not an indication for induction)" http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/3821 Kimberly replied to my post: "WTF!" Kimberly, I am afraid it's all true. (If you perceive error, please point it out - preferably publicly.) Faerie replied: "oh my gosh ROFL. So my child was abused at his birth. How interesting..." If your child's umbilical cord was immediately clamped - if he was denied the 'extra' up to 30% - he was indeed abused - and it is indeed interesting. Faerie continued: "I also find it interesting that I DID labor on my side throughout the entire day and guess what, my pelvis still didn't open up that magical extra 30%." It's UP TO 30% - and if you were on your side, you pelvis WOULD have opened the "extra" up to 30% had you pushed your baby out your vagina. It was apparently your choice to labor on your side "all day." Many women choose to be up walking around. There is no need to be off the sacrum (side-lying or standing, or kneeling or...) - until your baby is at the outlet and you are pushing him out. Faerie continued: "My son was born pink and healthy, did not have to be 'resuscitated', only cleaned off and handed right back to my husband who witnessed every second." Retired obstetrician George Malcolm Morley, MB ChB FACOG says that if the baby cries immediately - before the cord is clamped - there is lots of blood transfused. Most c-section babies aren't so lucky... Most babies are apparently born "purple-pink" and turn "pallid blue" if their umbilical cords are immediately clamped. Dr. Morley says EVERY CESAREAN BABY is immediately clamped. (Even if it's "only" 50% immediately clamped - what a massive obstetric crime - the Red Cross won't risk taking 50% of a person's blood!) Here again is Dr. Morleyıs temporary baby strangling experiment: "[T]he umbilical cord [is] immediately closed between finger and thumb...The [fetal heart rate/FHR] will decelerate quickly to about 60 bpm...the color will change from purple-pink (normal at birth) to pallid blue (vaso-constriction and asphyxia.)...Few midwives or obstetricians will be able to observe, without interference, a deep, prolonged FHR deceleration on a non-breathing newborn for a period of 60 seconds.* Common sense will soon release the finger and thumb." http://www.cordclamping.com/acog-cp.htm Faerie continued... "It's crap like Todd's post that makes me angry at the whole hysteria over batteling birth stories." Battling birth stories? Telling birth stories? I am glad women are sharing. Faerie continued... "Hey Todd: my child would have DIED if I had not been rushed into a csection." Entirely possible. I have NO problem with c-sections - it is obstetricians closing birth canals the "extra" up to 30% - and after c-sections robbing babies of up to 50% of their blood volume. Faerie continued... "I would have DIED if I had not been rushed into a csection." This seems far less likely - but possible. "Thankfully my son came out healthy." Healthy is not well defined in neonates. 4.6% of "healthy" term neonates suffer unexplained brain bleeds - after being pushed/pulled through birth canals senselessly closed the "extra" up to 30%. Faerie concluded... "Jo I hope your silence means you are laboring hard in a hospital bed. I know you'll be magnificent!" I think Jo was still hoping to birth at home? Marivic Valencia replied privately... "I can't believe you would hijack [Jo's] comments like that - to push your own agenda at such a time is thoughtless at best." I respond to Marivic publicly - as I do in response to nearly everyone who rags on me privately in response to a public post... What exactly does Marivic mean by I "hijacked" Jo's post? Jo is BLOGGING - publicly stimulating discourse amongst women - some of whom are pregnant. "My agenda" is to stop obvious obstetric crimes before they happen - by simultaneously addressing pregnant women and medical doctors. Marivic, if you don't think obstetricians are committing obvious crimes, say WHY you believe that - offer substantive criticism. If you don't think Jo has any chance of being subjected to the obvious crimes (CNMwives commit them too) - say why... Marivic wrote further: "Whatever 'good' might have been in your message..." I am glad Marivic concedes there might be some "good" in my message. "...is completely lost by your ill-timed and, quite frankly, tacky as hell posting..." I am biased of course - but I would say that posting before pregnant women give birth is EXACTLY the time to post about obstetricians routinely closing birth canals up to 30% and routinely robbing babies of up to 50% of their blood volume. I think 100% of babies about to be born would want women to know the information I posted. Marivic concluded... "Jesus, think twice already." Ess wrote: "good god, Todd, shut up." I think God - whoever sh/e is - if s/he is good - would want women to know the information I posted. Similarly, I think Jesus - whoever he is/was - would want women to know the information I posted. Speaking of Jesus... While it is bizarre that authorities in the medical religion are ignoring facts and lying and closing birth canals and robbing massive amounts of baby blood... It is perhaps even more bizarre that other religious authorities (Literalist Christians) are distorting the story of Jesus - who may never have existed. See Freke and Gandy's The Laughing Jesus [2005]. SPEAKING OF GOD... American obstetricians are performing - obviously illegally - a *******ized TOTAL infant foreskin amputation version of the ancient Jewish religious ritual that leaves most of the foreskin on the penis. See: ACOG's 2005 edition: How NOT to birth http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/3606 American MDs should have instantly stopped their grisly most frequent surgical behavior toward males BILLIONS of dollars' worth of infant screams ago - back in 1987 when I exposed their phony babies "can't feel pain" neurology - noted there were no medical indications - and called for a religious exemption from the child abuse statutes for the ancient Jewish ritual. Instead, American MDs suddenly came out against ALL religious exemptions (AAP, Jan 1988) and came out in favor of anonymity for PERPETRATORS of child abuse (AAP, Feb 1988) and BY VOICE VOTE ignored their own Scientific Board and abruptly converted their "no medical indications" procedure into an "effective public health measure." (CMA, March 1988). American MDs know they could/still can go to prison. Ordinary citizens who lie and make infants scream and writhe and bleed as they rip and slice infant penises would be sent to prisons for years per infant penis ripped and sliced - after being made to immediately stop their mass child abuse. Ordinary citizens who asphyxiated babies and robbed massive amounts of blood from them would also be immediately sent to prison. Obstetricians are protected by attorney generals and district attorneys who look the other way and force the criminal activity of MDs into the CIVIL and/or administrative systems - if at all... INTERESTING: When I noted that MDs are committing obvious crimes and that law enforcement isn't enforcing the law. The "don't-blame-me" Libertarian Steve B. Harris, MD replied: "Without enforcement, there is no law. Without law, there is no crime. These are elementary principles. Get an adult to explain them to you." http://groups-beta.google.com/group/ misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/28866f3384801ae9? See Libertarians: Crooked obstetrician Ron Paul, MD (also: Michael Badnarik for Congress) http://health.groups.yahoo.com /group/chiro-list/message/3789 If American MDs stopped the senseless infant screams today, they would instantly save America an estimated $400 million per year - and thereby PRESERVE the surgery as a CHOICE American males can make for themselves in adulthood. I mention this obvious mass child abuse because it's part of my "agenda" to prevent senseless infant suffering... Also, as noted above... FAERIE IS ROLLING ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING, as in, "oh my gosh ROFL. So my child was abused at his birth. How interesting..." If Faerie's son was born in America, there is a good chance that soon after birth he was strapped to a board and made to scream and writhe and bleed. Some babies lose their whole penis - some die - fortunately these outcomes are rare - but all of them lose PART of their penis. I myself wanted my eldest son's penis ripped and sliced - so it would look like mine ("and everybody else's") - but thankfully his mother argued vehemently - he is whole - left with the choice to have part of his penis sliced off later in life if he so desires. Parents cannot be blamed for a bizarre ritual that was pushed by Literalist Religionists as the medical religion offered phony "babies can't feel pain" neurology. Even "religious" circumcisions performed today are TOTAL amputations - even though God originally/reportedly commanded leaving most of the foreskin on the penis. Pardons all the way around - but STOP the mass child abuse. One last note... Mollie wrote: "Thank god for Todd. He distracted me for a minute, there, and any distraction is a relief...Dubious, but distracting nonetheless....Waiting patiently for news of a fresh, new human... I am glad to have offered some distraction, Mollie. Please quote the parts you found "dubious." Thanks for reading. Sincerely, Todd Dr. Gastaldo Hillsboro, Oregon USA This post will be archived for global access in the Google usenet archive. Search http://groups.google.com for "Blog-reading pregnant women" |
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