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Water has memory, validating homeopathy
"carole" wrote in
nd.com: "Steelclaws" wrote in message 4.39... Madeleine Ennis was an impartial scientific experimenter and she found homeopathy worked - Part 2 or 3. *facepalm* I've seldom seen a rationalization of that magnitude. From you allopaths maybe with your bias against homeopathy and chiropractic. Have you decided yet if Randi used brain waves or magnets? Not that either would make any difference, of course, to the water. -- By providing homeopathy on the NHS and allowing MHRA licensing of products which subsequently appear on pharmacy shelves, the Government runs the risk of endorsing homeopathy as an efficacious system of medicine. To maintain patient trust, choice and safety, the Government should not endorse the use of placebo treatments, including homeopathy. Homeopathy should not be funded on the NHS and the MHRA should stop licensing homeopathic products. - House of Commons report into the Evidence Check on Homeopathy |
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Water has memory, validating homeopathy
"carole" wrote in
ond.com: Don't know what bends has got to do with anything. Who said anything about "bends"? You did. Don't you even read the articles you copy/paste? This is what you posted: "5. A report by a homeopath in New York City is sobering: He studied the problems in behavior associated with city living and considered the water supply as a source of destabilizing influence. He noted that as the water flowed down from reservoirs, falling down pipes and vibrating around bends in the pipes there might be a potentizing phenomenon on the chemicals in the water." Note that "vibrating around bends in the pipes" in the quote from your post. -- Homeopathy and its ilk are not the problem in themselves, other than that they are symptomatic of a deeper issue, and that is the propensity of people to (easily) fall victim to magical thinking. If people would learn to think critically as a matter of course then homeopathy, chiropractic, reiki etc would take care of themselves. -Jeff Keogh |
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Water has memory, validating homeopathy
On 11/3/10 9:16 AM, carole wrote:
wrote in message ... On 11/3/10 2:36 AM, carole wrote: I will go even one more, Homeopathy treatments and practice is a criminal act of defrauding the patient and public. Its practitioners should be treated as criminals. Your bias and ignorance is showing. Yes, a bias against treatments with no basis in scientific evidence, no scientific rational and no evidence that they work. Making people pay for these treatments is tantamount to theft. Jeff Hey Dr Jeff, its not my fault that modern medicine has been engineered to only support pharmaceutical solutions. Modern medicine has been engineered to support solutions that work. Homeopathy is not one of them. Homeopathy was seen as competition and had to go along with any other therapies that cut into market share. Market share is not the question. The question is "Does homeopathy work?" The answer is no. copyrighted material deleted |
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Water has memory, validating homeopathy
On 11/3/10 9:18 AM, carole wrote:
wrote in message ... On 11/3/10 2:35 AM, carole wrote: wrote in message 4.39... Madeleine Ennis was an impartial scientific experimenter and she found homeopathy worked - Part 2 or 3. *facepalm* I've seldom seen a rationalization of that magnitude. From you allopaths maybe with your bias against homeopathy and chiropractic. Actually, it is bias against fiction. The reason why we don't like homeopathy and chiropractic is that they don't work and have no scientific basis to explain how they might work. But they do work. Provide good studies that show that they work. And provide a scientific basis to explain how they work. Come on, you really think people will think that water that's gone through bends in the pipes is different than water that has gone through fewer bends? Don't know what bends has got to do with anything. Who said anything about "bends"? You wrote: "5. A report by a homeopath in New York City is sobering: He studied the problems in behavior associated with city living and considered the water supply as a source of destabilizing influence. He noted that as the water flowed down from reservoirs, falling down pipes and vibrating around bends in the pipes there might be a potentizing phenomenon on the chemicals in the water. One chemical added to the water was fluoride. Indeed, the symptoms caused by fluorinum include many of the social problems seen in the city (unsociable behavior, sexual over-excitement, mental exhaustion and fatigue, etc.). It was as if the entire city had been treated with long-term exposure to the vibrational energy of fluoride. He found that prescribing homeopathic fluoric acid helped a number of his patients. It acted almost like an antidote, or mirror image of the negative influence from the vibrated fluoride water." Note the part about about "vibrating around bends." I have yet to see the headline: NYFD no longer allows fire hoses to go around corners: Too many bends in the line! The water isn't wet enough any more. By the bends argument, then nothing would work in our bodies, because the blood goes around so many bends in our bodies when it carries stuff to different parts of our bodies. Jeff |
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Water has memory, validating homeopathy
"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message news "carole" wrote: Why then is allopathic medicine listed as the number 1 killer in the US? Can you explain that without rationalising? Easy. Because it isn't. Well it isn't the number 1 killer. It might be listed as such by liars and ignorami like Gary Null, but that doesn't make it so. http://whale.to/a/starfield.html read it, you do have that skill? |
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Water has memory, validating homeopathy
Bob Officer -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in
: This stunned me... Me as well. She comes across as a True Believer more and more. I see it sometimes and every once in a while it seems like two different people are playing the role of "Carole". It could be that, or it could be that she has some variant of DSM-IV code 301.83. There is some evidence to support the latter in her posts. an Experiment in Artificial Stupidity. Either that, or she's got religion in a big way. There is evidence for that, what with her blethering about spirit and vitality etc. Religion, a set of beleifs defined by dogma and held by Faith, without evidence and often in the face of contradictory evidence. Yep. She has religion. I agree. -- Alternative medicine is defined as that set of practices that cannot be tested, refuse to be tested, or consistently fail tests. - Richard Dawkins |
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Water has memory, validating homeopathy
Bob Officer -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in
: BBC Horizon homeopathy experiment Pt 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZhmG97lYog Pt 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jE3hT5lLwA Madeleine Ennis - vet uses homeopathy on animals with good results. Pt 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh0phYI3ROs Madeleine Ennis - Pt 4 - Details of experiment http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzO3A04cOis Pt 5 - James Randi involvement http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhSzOShJb2U Maybe James Randi knows about the electromagnetic ability (No.1 above) to neutralise homeopathy, and passed some sort of magnet over the samples in the homeopathy experiment. After all, he is a magician and would know all the tricks of the trade --plus do you really think he would want to part with 1 million dollars? Madeleine Ennis was an impartial scientific experimenter and she found homeopathy worked - Part 2 or 3. *facepalm* Those are the same videos I suggested to her a month ago, aren't they? Yes, they are. I've seldom seen a rationalization of that magnitude. I know it has to be a bot.... I dunno, her responses seem to be more on topic than those of Cleverbot. -- There are two great secrets of the quack's success. One is the fact that many human ills, including some of the severest, will run their course and vanish without treatment of any sort. The other half are due to the fact that many of life's ills are wholly or in part psychosomatic. -Martin Gardner |
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Water has memory, validating homeopathy
On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 18:04:20 -0000, "john" wrote:
http://vimeo.com/14646626 Now, to believe that is really stupid. And: Homeopathy is fraud. .. -- The "Meta-Mediciners", a deadly sect disguised as "medicine" http://www.deathsect.com |
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Water has memory, validating homeopathy
"Bob Officer" -*-*.@.*-*- wrote in message ... On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 00:16:14 +1100, in misc.health.alternative, "carole" wrote: "dr_jeff" wrote in message ... On 11/3/10 2:36 AM, carole wrote: I will go even one more, Homeopathy treatments and practice is a criminal act of defrauding the patient and public. Its practitioners should be treated as criminals. Your bias and ignorance is showing. Yes, a bias against treatments with no basis in scientific evidence, no scientific rational and no evidence that they work. Making people pay for these treatments is tantamount to theft. Jeff Hey Dr Jeff, its not my fault that modern medicine has been engineered to only support pharmaceutical solutions. Homeopathy was seen as competition and had to go along with any other therapies that cut into market share. The truth about the Rockefeller drug empire The Drug Story - by Hans Ruesch www.think-aboutit.com/health/TheDrugStory.htm "The history of the how the Rockefellers and their stooges in the Food and Drug Administration, the US Public Health Service, the Federal Trade Commission, the Better Business Bureau, the Army Medical Corps, the Navy Bureau of Medicine and thousands of health officers all over the country, combined to put out of business all forms of therapy that discourage the use of drugs. How the business with disease makes grants to medical colleges in exchange for a curriculum that favours drug-based medicine. No evidence there... "Is it any wonder, asked Bealle, snip It is still just a Post Hoc fallacy, Carole. Nothing has changed since the last time you posted this story. The big problem is you are taking Bealle's word about the so called influence, and he is not producing one iota of evidence to support his claim. Its the most probably story to explain the corruption of medical science, the bureacracy, and the suppression of alternative cures - because there is suppression. You best theory is that everything is fine and above-board, that anybody who disagrees with medical science is a quack, which is laughable compared to Hans Ruesch's explanation. So that makes you a clown. -- Carole www.conspiracee.com Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool" http://groups.google.com.au/group/mi...ss+epidemic%22 |
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Water has memory, validating homeopathy
"dr_jeff" wrote in message ... On 11/3/10 9:16 AM, carole wrote: wrote in message ... On 11/3/10 2:36 AM, carole wrote: I will go even one more, Homeopathy treatments and practice is a criminal act of defrauding the patient and public. Its practitioners should be treated as criminals. Your bias and ignorance is showing. Yes, a bias against treatments with no basis in scientific evidence, no scientific rational and no evidence that they work. Making people pay for these treatments is tantamount to theft. Jeff Hey Dr Jeff, its not my fault that modern medicine has been engineered to only support pharmaceutical solutions. Modern medicine has been engineered to support solutions that work. Homeopathy is not one of them. You forgot the parenthesis jeff. I'm a bit of a stickler for correct punctuation. It should read, "Modern medicine has been engineered "to support solutions that work". There, that's much better. Homeopathy was seen as competition and had to go along with any other therapies that cut into market share. Market share is not the question. And you know that because ...? The question is "Does homeopathy work?" The answer is no. If you are an allopathic stooge who believes any bit of crap you're fed, homeopathy doesn't work. But if you're an intelligent user who has actually tried it and know what you're talking about, it does work. So who do you believe -- the propaganda or the truth? On the one hand you have propaganda ...on the other hand you have truth. Choose one -- propaganda (allopathic) or truth (alternative). Head up your arse (allopathic) or enlightened user (alternative). -- Carole www.conspiracee.com Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool" http://groups.google.com.au/group/mi...ss+epidemic%22 |
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