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Parents' Views on Violence Guide Child's Behavior
In other words, you must believe in the LIES spewed by Kane. ;-) Doan On 11 Feb 2006, 0:- wrote: To the reader: If you have made it a practice to read research reports you know that each and every one, that has any peer credibility, will include a paragraph or two with caveats as to the limitations of the research (no study can explore all the possibilities, realistically) and suggestions for further research by others, or sometimes even plans to expand their own into the areas listed as limitations. Don't let yourself be fooled by harassing posters who think that the normal limitations of all research negate the validity of the one you are viewing. It's just childish harassment, nothing more. No argument offered in rebutal of the study. No other studies offered. In other words, no debate or argument, just harassment. Researchers ignore these, rightly so, but do respond to thoughtful and reasonable criticism, as we have seen in the past in this ng, from citation. My advice if you wish to really get into this issue without losing your way? Ignore those that harass and "debate" on fine points of what some poster might have or might not have meant. And in so doing, avoiding the subject under discussion. The study cited is what it is. No attempt to make it prove or support something not in evidence in the study itself was intended. Attempts to make it look that way by copy and pasting sections of the report sans context are nothing more than harassment, not worthy of further comment than to point out the low moral and ethical standards of those that do such things. Have a great day. Kane |
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Trying to "reason" with a child or spanking?
Almost 40 percent of parents in the study population said they would
tell their child it is OK to hit if another person pushes or hits him or her Absolutely. If the kid doesn't hit back, the bullies will attack him again. I would spank the child for attacking nother person unprovoked, or after any sort of provocation that didn't involve being hit. But you hit my kid and he'll hit you back, and rightly so. Jennie |
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Trying to "reason" with a child or spanking?
Jennie wrote:
Almost 40 percent of parents in the study population said they would tell their child it is OK to hit if another person pushes or hits him or her Absolutely. If the kid doesn't hit back, the bullies will attack him again. I would spank the child for attacking nother person unprovoked, or after any sort of provocation that didn't involve being hit. But you hit my kid and he'll hit you back, and rightly so. Jennie You've no idea what you are promoting, do you? And no, the bullies do not hit back if the child uses those means available to civilized people. Now if the have no such means, and they are in danger, well sure. But a child can always go, or should be able to if their parent isn't a coward, and tell them what happened and ask for help. Most parents of bullies are not in support of them being bullies. Time and again parents have handled such things between them and the bully learned not to do that, and the bullied child learned the correct way to handle violence BEFORE it gets out of hand. Civilized people do the later. Savages, and the world is full of them, just escalate. By the way, I'm a gun owner. And I carry. The last thing I ever want to do is pull it on a "bully." Only if I have NO OTHER way out, would I do that. I've had a number of encounters with "bullies" of various kinds, from on the street to driving. It would never occur to me to draw my gun. Now if they took actions that endangered my life? Sure. But in any of those instances I've encountered that started to escalate, except for two, I simply called the police dispatch on my cell phone. I sought the help the civilized have put in place to keep from escalating to murderous violence. The two other incidences? They had progressed well into it being far too late to call the police, and the murderous intent of the aggressors was plainly spoken and being acted upon. Did I shot them? Did not have to. Again, no violence took place. Just the presence of my gun was enough to change their minds. I walk quietly, as Teddy suggested. I do not provoke. I avoid escalation. I use all the means possible to do this without violence, and even then, I use the potential to return violence with greater or equal violence only if the perp does not stop on my command. You are urging a child to hit at the first hit, are you not? A first hit from a child, even against another child, is rarely life threatening. If the bully is not satisfied with the child walking away and stops him or her, then sure, go for the gold. That's escalation by the bully. But do NOT presume it. And please, don't teach your child to not hit by hitting him. You do get the incongruence, so you not? Bullies are in fact spanked children. Unspanked children do not become bullies. Kane -- Isn't it interesting that the more honest an author appears to be, the more like ourselves we think him. And the less so, how very alien he doth appear? Kane 2006 |
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