128 students suspended at Ind. school

"Barbara" wrote in message
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No, I have said that student dress isn't a big issue with me. I never
said
I don't care about the rules. I said I would like to change the
punishment
for dress code violations because I don't want kids missing class.

Its not that I disagree with you on this point. Its that it presents a
conundrum. Girl A comes to school in an outfit that clearly violates
dress code -- let's say a super-short skirt and tank top. She gets
detention. But not everyone who sees her that day *knows* that she got
detention; no one is going to make her carry a sign that says *I
violated dress code and now I'm stuck in detention* (Nor should they
....)
So what?! When other kids do things against the rules, not all of them know
if they got detention or not. The kids aren't all going to say *Wow, lets
do it too then*. Kids have some sense too.


Jen

"Tori M" wrote in message
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Someone else mentioned liking K-Mart, and that is worst of all
around
here. I guess it's just because it's an older store and they
haven't put a lot into keeping it up. But it's not so much that
the store is dirty or falling apart as it is that they have a very
low quality of employee there. Much surlier and/or disinterested
than Wal-Mart.

We actualy live in the middle of a triangle of walmarts. One has
awful customer service but the other 2 we rarely go ti the towns..
all 3 are brand new.

I'm sure that the store manager can make a big difference, but other
things come into play too, like salary, and prestige (I know it seems
silly to talk about prestige when discussing working at one big box
discount store over another, but it's there). Prestige is directly
related to how new and shiny a store is.

The chain store in our area with the best service is actually a
grocery store -- Harris Teeter. Everyone from the store manager on
down to the cart return guy will stop and greet you and find out if
you need anything. I used to refuse to shop there because they're
more expensive, but lately I've started thinking that we make good
money, and it's worth it to shop where they treat you well.

Bizby

"toypup" wrote in message
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"Jen" wrote in message
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"bizby40" wrote in message
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"nimue" wrote in message
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bizby40 wrote:
"Jen" wrote in message
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Why does she have to justify each one of her opinions?? And
then
have a perfect answer to everything?

People rarely have perfect answers, but if you're going to give
an
opinion in a debate, you ought to be able to give your basis for
that
opinion.

I have done that.

Oh, I wasn't actually referring to you here -- just Jen's
assertion that one doesn't have to justify their opinions.


It's an opinion! There is no right and wrong answer, there is no
*proof*, It's just what a person *thinks*.

There's no proof, but there's reasoning. The debate is to compare
reasoning.

Exactly. There's no point in debating something that's purely a
matter of opinion. I'm not going to waste my breath trying to
convince everyone that green really is the best color.

Bizby

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 04:10:13 GMT, "toypup"
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"nimue" wrote in message
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toypup wrote:

You have had your share of tirades. The only thing that calmed you down
was
that you didn't have the 100% support you expected. Had I not had
defenders, you would still be consistently nasty.

No. What calmed me down was that they said I was attacking you, which I did
not mean to do. It made me more aware of my words. You, however, are
purposely attacking me.

You've been baiting her! What do you expect her to do?!

Nan

"Jen" wrote in message
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"Barbara" wrote in message
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No, I have said that student dress isn't a big issue with me. I
never said
I don't care about the rules. I said I would like to change the
punishment
for dress code violations because I don't want kids missing class.

Its not that I disagree with you on this point. Its that it
presents a
conundrum. Girl A comes to school in an outfit that clearly
violates
dress code -- let's say a super-short skirt and tank top. She gets
detention. But not everyone who sees her that day *knows* that she
got
detention; no one is going to make her carry a sign that says *I
violated dress code and now I'm stuck in detention* (Nor should
they
....)
So what?! When other kids do things against the rules, not all of
them know if they got detention or not. The kids aren't all going
to say *Wow, lets do it too then*. Kids have some sense too.

People, especially kids, tend to push boundaries. If someone starts
coming in late to work, and nothing bad seems to happen, someone else
will start wondering why *they* bother being there on time every day,
and before you know it, half the office is straggling in late. The
other half will of course continue to be on time because of their own
personal values.

Any time you allow, or seem to allow bad behavior to slide with no
consequences, it increases.

Bizby

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:12:46 GMT, "toypup"
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"Jen" wrote in message
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"toypup" wrote in message
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"nimue" wrote in message
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toypup wrote:

You have had your share of tirades. The only thing that calmed you down
was
that you didn't have the 100% support you expected. Had I not had
defenders, you would still be consistently nasty.

No. What calmed me down was that they said I was attacking you, which I
did not mean to do. It made me more aware of my words. You, however,
are purposely attacking me.

It looks to me more like she's defending herself, and getting a bit
frustrated along the way. Certainly at times she's been retaliating as
well, but she had been baited. Sorry, but that's how I see it.

Her retaliation is exacerbating, don't you think?

Why is this some sort of competition with you? Why would you even ask
this question of anyone but nimue?

Nan

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:42:14 -0400, "bizby40"
wrote:


"Nan" wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:27:37 -0400, "bizby40"
wrote:

I find myself skeptical of a lot of "the world is going downhill"
type
things I hear or read. I read these scary stories about the youth
of
today in newspapers and magazines, and I think, "Well, they must
have
some basis to them." But they just don't mesh with the kids I see
around me, who are pretty much the same kids as we were all those
years ago.

Which has nothing to do with what I posted above.

Yes it does completely.

Bizby

How so? I posted that some children can't afford clothing or school
supplies. It's a fact I've seen with my own eyes. How is that a
"the
world is going downhill" story?

The part where you say that no one cared what clothes anyone wore when
we were young, but now they do.

That hardly qualifies as "the world is going downhill". It's merely
an observation that I've made. When I see 3rd graders wearing the
latest trendy clothing and they didn't when my ds was that age, it
shows me that attitudes, tastes, issues change over time. Everything
changes over time.

Nan

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:41:41 -0500, "Tori M"
wrote:


Girlfriend, you've gotta hit the clearance racks! I found the cutest
outfits for E for pennies on the dollar.

We dont live that close to a Khols.. It would be nice to though! I would
like to get a few sturdy things and cut down the kids wardrobe. No one in
Bonnies school cares if things are worn at all never mind more then more
then once :P

LOL :-)

Nan

On 30 Aug 2006 21:12:08 -0700, wrote:


Nan wrote:
On 30 Aug 2006 10:10:22 -0700, wrote:


Nan wrote:
On 30 Aug 2006 09:20:35 -0700, wrote:

Once again, I'm having a hard time envisioning a family that couldn't
afford a pen and notebook.

Well, just because you can't envision something doesn't mean it's not
reality for many families.

For most classes the only other suplies are
the textbooks, which are handed out at the start of the year. (In
Shaina's classes, the extra fee for art was mentioned in the course
catalog. The calculator was not. Her other classes (English, Japanese,
Biology) have, so far, required nothing else beyond pencils/pens and
paper and access to a computer. (Available at the public library for
families without home access.)

As long as they have a valid library card (at least in our city),
which can't be obtained unless the required ID is supplied to obtain a
card, and one must live in the township of the library.

In our city, any county resident can get a library card. (Out of
county-residents can too, but it costs money.) And, if you go to the
public schools you are, obviously, a county resident. The university
libraries are also available to anyone in the state, though the
computers (except for access to the library catalog) require a
university log-in.

Tecnically, everyone in our city can get one, too. County residents
cannot, unless there is a library in their township, or they're
willing to pay for the card. There are 2 townships that don't have a
branch library, so those folks are out of luck.
A patron must be a property owner or live in a rental in which the
landlord pays property taxes.
2 valid ID's are required, along with proof of address.
This area's illegal alien population has grown by leaps and bounds.
Many of them don't have the proper ID, so they won't be able to
receive a card.

Some
townships don't have libraries, so those residents are out of luck
unless they want to pay an annual fee for a card.

Oh, and transportation to the library.

But obviously the 'tardy' applies to the fact that the student has to
leave the classroom and go to his/her locker,and is counted tardy
because s/he 'arrives' in class when s/he is actually prepared to work.

If a student truly could not afford necessary supplies, the student or
his/her parent would discuss the situation with the teacher or
counselor, and a solution would be found.

Well, since you can't envision being so poor that buying a pen and
notebook (which aren't the only supplies needed, btw) may mean missing
a meal,

Ok... it's not like it should be any sort of surprise to this family
that, come mid-August, they're going to need school supplies. So, every
week they drop a dime in a box. One year later they have $5.20. Which
is more than enough to buy a pack of pens and some notebooks. (Again,
Staples and K-Mart routinely have notebooks for around 10 cents each
during school supply time.)

You're assuming that it would even occur to a family that struggles
mightily, to put that dime in a box. When I was in that position, I
was more concerned about keeping the electricity and heat on, and food
on the table.

I don't disagree that school supplies can be had very cheaply. I'm
simply pointing out that your resources, including how you'd plan for
something, isn't available to everyone.

No, I DON'T believe that there are more than a vanishingly small
percentage of families in this country that can't afford to buy a
couple of pens and notebooks for their school-age children. (And a
similarly small subset of those families would be so proud that they'd
let the children flunk out of school rather than ask for assistance.
[See below.])

Like I said, you've never been that poor. It's not about being so
proud you'd let your child flunk rather than ask. This issue isn't as
cut and dried as some of you would like to think it is.

Nan

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 05:19:30 GMT, Rosalie B.
wrote:

wrote:
Nan wrote:
On 30 Aug 2006 10:10:22 -0700, wrote:

Nan wrote:
On 30 Aug 2006 09:20:35 -0700, wrote:

Once again, I'm having a hard time envisioning a family that couldn't
afford a pen and notebook.

Well, just because you can't envision something doesn't mean it's not
reality for many families.

For most classes the only other suplies are
the textbooks, which are handed out at the start of the year. (In
Shaina's classes, the extra fee for art was mentioned in the course
catalog. The calculator was not. Her other classes (English, Japanese,
Biology) have, so far, required nothing else beyond pencils/pens and
paper and access to a computer. (Available at the public library for
families without home access.)

As long as they have a valid library card (at least in our city),
which can't be obtained unless the required ID is supplied to obtain a
card, and one must live in the township of the library.

That's pretty rare IME. I've been in a lot of different libraries up
and down the east coast of the US traveling by boat, and also
traveling by car. I've never been refused access to a computer
because I didn't live there. Sometimes there are time limits on the
use (like 15 minutes if someone is waiting), and sometimes I have to
sign in or wait my turn. But I've never been turned away because I
was not a resident.

I think it is rare, but it's a concept that is growing. Our library
requires you to scan your library card to access the computer. No
card, no access. It's new, and I don't care for it, but the powers
that be thought it was a good idea. I think libraries should be
available to EVERYONE, not just those who can obtain a silly card.

Nan