American kids getting high on prescription drugs

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OOps forgot. Some doctors believe they ARE part of the god system and hate
competition.

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Now I know where it comes from, bigotry and hate.
No one is born that stupid.

I see no hatred in Skeptic's post, and posting ones own beliefs is not
bigotry.

Not everyone who speaks English actually know it. Some just have a need
to use "big" or "cool" words.

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"Bigotry" and "hate" amongst others are popular words to use and people
use them without properly knowing how.

Bigoted and hateful persons always revert to half truths as did Skeptic.

He only needed to say that he is an atheist. Simple.
BUT
the bigotry and hate came out.


Now the REAL reason is he thinks doctors are gods and he doesn't like
competition.

His limited education has not encountered the 80 / 20 rule of performance or
competence. He has stated clearly that if it did, it doesn't apply to
doctors. Translation; Doctors are super human AKA gods.

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So if you come to my emergency room with a broken leg, you want some
nutrients instead of narcotics? It's a deal. By the way, ADHD
medications are not "benzo's."

Pharma is good for trauma med.

it was benzos, now the next round of addictive drugs are the ritalin
lot

see how it works?

How it works? ADHD drugs are not addictive when taken as prescribed. In
fact, when taken as prescribed, they decrease drug abuse in people with
ADHD.

Jeff

FACT: ADHD drugs ARE being abused.

FACT: Jeff snipped and diverted:

FACT: ADHD drugs ARE being abused.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi...document_id=20...


Excerpts:


Millions have misused ADHD stimulant drugs, study says


"Houston, we have got a problem because we are just in the middle of this
epidemic."


Actually, your statement is NOT true.


NOT for cocaine!!!!

Further FACT:

Mark Probert just lied:

A study was posted in ASAD which Jan never responded to, but was in the
thread, that just the opposite is true. I posted several studies showing
that treatment prevents abuse.

FACT: I did respond, it was posted right here.

Mark was asked to post the study he has long tooted about Ritalin, he could
not.

Instead he posted other studies, which I repsoned to, which showed the FACT
as I stated above:

NOT for cocaine!!!!

Mark is a proven liar, once again.

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"Mark Probert" wrote in message


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Jan Drew wrote:
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WHERE is the Ritalin study, Mark?


One study found that Ritalin actually reduced substance abuse by a factor
of six.


I am sorry, Jan, but I had trouble understanding your cryptic question.



Oh really?

Exactly what part was *cryptic*?


Any more lies, Mark?



However, the fact is, and is well documented, that treatment with Ritalin,
does, indeed, decrease the risk of drug abuse:

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...tract/111/1/97



My, my from Pediatrics.

This is NOT the Ritalin Study reduced substance abuse by a factor of
six..



Conclusion. This study concurs with 11 previous studies in finding no
compelling evidence that stimulant treatment of children with
attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder leads to an increased risk for
substance experimentation, use, dependence, or abuse by adulthood.



OOPPPSSS.

#1. This is NOT the Ritalin study and YOU know it.


#2. YOU left this out!


Stimulant treatment in high school also did not influence drug use in
adulthood except for greater use of cocaine.


WOW!!!!!



http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs...ap.2005.15.764


Conclusion: While these results cannot demonstrate cause and effect, our
findings indicate that psychostimulant treatment of childhood ADHD is
associated with reduced risk for later substance abuse among boys with
ADHD.



Totally irrelevant to the Rialin study.


http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs...5.799?cookieSe...

Conclusions: Results of our preliminary study indicated that ADHD symptom
control may be important to protect against increased risk of substance
use (particularly tobacco and drugs other than alcohol and marijuana)
among college-age students with ADHD. Further studies of misuse/diversion
of prescription stimulant medication among college students are needed.


In fact, one study found that methylphenidate may be useful in treating
substance abuse disorder.


J Addict Dis. 2004;23(1):77-92. Related Articles, Links


An open-label pilot study of methylphenidate in the treatment of cocaine
dependent patients with adult attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder.


Somoza EC, Winhusen TM, Bridge TP, Rotrosen JP, Vanderburg DG, Harrer JM,
Mezinskis JP, Montgomery MA, Ciraulo DA, Wulsin LR, Barrett JA.


Cincinnati VA/UC NIDA MDRU, VA Medical Center, 3200 Vine Street,
Cincinnati, OH 45220, USA.


A multi-site, open-label study of methylphenidate for treating patients
with comorbid diagnoses of attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder and
cocaine dependence was performed. Forty-one participants, who met DSM-IV
criteria for adult attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder and cocaine
dependence, were enrolled into this ten week outpatient study. The
targeted total daily dose of methylphenidate was 60 mg (20 mg TID).
Participants received individual substance abuse therapy throughout the
trial. Safety measures included adverse events, vital signs, and
electrocardiograms. Methylphenidate's efficacy was assessed by both
objective and subjective measures. Seventy percent of the participants
completed final study measures. Safety measures indicated that
methylphenidate was well tolerated by the participants. Subjective
efficacy measures suggested that participants evidenced improvement in
both cocaine dependence and adult attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder
symptoms. Quantitative benzoylecgonine indicated that only those
participants categorized as being compliant showed improvement. A
double-blind, placebo-controlled study of methylphenidate for this
population may be warranted.


Publication Types: Clinical Trial



I can only conclude the Ritalin study YOU have tooted as YOUR argument does
NOT exist.

Furthermore, YOU clearly understood my question all along.







Jeff

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American kids getting high on prescription drugs


So what do you propose should be done about all this, Ilena? Sure,
drug abuse is a problem. What does this have to do with mha? Why post
it here?
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--Rich


it shows the real nature of pharma med (1.5 million benzo addicts UK)
and the need to use nutrients which don't have these problems, quite
aprt from the drug pusing of the drug companies by inventing diseases
such ADHD http://www.adhdfraud.com/

No, it does not. It shows real human nature, which includes getting
addicted to drugs of abuse.

Jeff

Quite wrong.

It show the INCREASE of American kids getting high on prescription drugs,
because they are DRUGGED starting early as young as age two, FILLING THE
BRAIN FULL OF CHEMICALS BEFORE IT IS DEVELOPED.

Evidence from peer-reviewed journals that show that ADHD drugs, when taken
as prescribed, cause drug abuse.

Oh? Do post them.

This comes form the INSANITY of the *organized medicine* and drug
companies, for the sole purpose of GETTING RICH.

Actually, it comes from peer-reviewed evidence that show that kids who
have ADHD are able to perform better and pay attention better when taking
appropriate medication.

That isn't the subject is it, Jeff?

The subject is:

American kids geting high on prescriprion drugs.

some garbage deleted

garbage?

Some of it came from the article, and you failed to answer my questions.

Restored:

Next it shows that the parents are also replying on DRUGS and the medicine
cabinets are full, where the teenagers have full access. Americans have
done away with GOD and have been fooled by Satan and must reach for a pill.
We have been taught to believe the LIE to reply on DRUGS and thrown GOD and
his son JESUS CHRIST out.

Americans are reaping what they have sown.


The fools on the newsgroup are a fine example.


And, btw, What does Rich propose should be done about it?


Any than harass?





Jeff

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This describes a serious problem with people getting drugs illegally.

Well, NO it does not.

Sorry, I do not think that "pharming parties" are legal. And anyone who
takes drugs are a pharming party is breaking the law.

This is not *people getting drugs illegally*, this is teenagers getting
drugs out of medicine cabinets right in thier own homes. This is not
breaking any law.

This IS showing the American people have fallen for the PROPAGANDA put in
front of them each day, and the doctors who write prescriptions TOO FREELY!


This shows where improvement in monitoring prescription drug sales is
needed.

Yes, starting with the doctors who prescribe them TOO FREELY.

Then, American people could really break away from using drugs unless
absolutely necessary.

You have to weigh the risks and benefits of using any drug, including ADHD
drugs.

Uh huh. Something unheard of 50 years ago, now it is rampant. You need to
weigh that also. While you are weighing this, you should weigh how fast this
Schedule II substance not to be given to kids under six is now given to kids
as young as two. It called MADNESS for MONEY!

Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

Jeff

Jeff's attention needs a jolt!

PHARMING PARTIES"

Among the most dangerous experiments are "pharming parties" where
children meet after scouring family medicine cabinets and dumping what
they find into a bowl.

Volkow at the National Institute on Drug Abuse said many teens
associate prescription drugs with family doctors, and consider them
safe, or have had positive experiences with properly prescribed
medication in their early childhood.

[note who is using the word *positive*]

I have had a positive experience in driving my car on the highway. This
does not mean I should drive my car accross lawns or in parks, because I
had a postive experience driving my car on the highway.

Teenagers are not the only prescription drug abusers. The number of
people over the age of 55 treated for abuse of opiates, for example,
has nearly doubled between 1995 and 2002, government statistics show.
In 2003, conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh admitted becoming
hooked on OxyContin.

And thousands of Americans die in pain because they can get addequate main
meds. Sorry, but I don't care if a dying person becomes addicted to drugs.

Whose fault is it that Rush Limbaugh became addicted to drugs? Rush's.


"We're also seeing an increase in the use of these drugs in young
adults," said Lloyd Johnston, lead investigator at Michigan's
Institute for Social Research, which researches the government's ==

This does NOT describes a serious problem with people getting drugs
illegally.

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This describes a serious problem with people getting drugs illegally.

Well, NO it does not.

Sorry, I do not think that "pharming parties" are legal. And anyone who
takes drugs are a pharming party is breaking the law.

Which shows that government intervention is a farce.

No, it shows you are asleep.

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Now I know where it comes from, bigotry and hate.
No one is born that stupid.

I see no hatred in Skeptic's post, and posting ones own beliefs is not
bigotry.

Not everyone who speaks English actually know it. Some just have a need
to use "big" or "cool" words.

?
--
"Bigotry" and "hate" amongst others are popular words to use and people
use them without properly knowing how.

Bigoted and hateful persons always revert to half truths as did Skeptic.

He only needed to say that he is an atheist. Simple.
BUT
the bigotry and hate came out.


Now the REAL reason is he thinks doctors are gods and he doesn't like
competition.

His limited education has not encountered the 80 / 20 rule of performance
or competence. He has stated clearly that if it did, it doesn't apply to
doctors. Translation; Doctors are super human AKA gods.

I am sorry, but do I feel an inferiority complex? Yes, some doctors believe
that they are above anything and everything, but that does not mean the
generalization apply to all or even most. But when people bring religion and
ADHD drugs in the subcontext of societal values, something needs to be said.
I may, somehow, with a huge amount of stretching, understand the debate of
religion and stem cells through abortion issue, but bringing every subject
to God when logical reasoning runs out is not mature or helpful. There is,
however, hatred and "bigotry" towards stupidity and religious
fundamentalism.

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"Jeff" wrote in message
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This describes a serious problem with people getting drugs illegally.

Well, NO it does not.

Sorry, I do not think that "pharming parties" are legal. And anyone who
takes drugs are a pharming party is breaking the law.

This is not *people getting drugs illegally*, this is teenagers getting
drugs out of medicine cabinets right in thier own homes. This is not
breaking any law.

Actually it is. The use of prescription medication by anyone other than the
person to whom it was prescribed and dispensed is illegal.



This IS showing the American people have fallen for the PROPAGANDA put in
front of them each day, and the doctors who write prescriptions TOO
FREELY!

Were the doctors who prescribed medications for your neuropathy writing
prescriptions too freely?

Were the doctors who prescribed medications for your migraine headaches
writing prescriptions too freely?

Actually, the DEA monitors the prescription writing patterns of doctors, and
they prosecute those who are found to be prescribing drugs of abuse too
freely. If you think that doctors are still writing prescriptions to freely
though, please suggest what might be done about it. Once again you are
shrill about the problem, but silent about the solution.
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This is not *people getting drugs illegally*, this is teenagers getting
drugs out of medicine cabinets right in thier own homes. This is not
breaking any law.

This IS showing the American people have fallen for the PROPAGANDA put in
front of them each day, and the doctors who write prescriptions TOO
FREELY!

Whose fault is this? Parents!!! Not pharm companies. Yes, docs do
overprescribe, but that does not negate the fault of careless and
irresponsible parents.

"Jan Drew" wrote:


"Jeff" wrote in message
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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This describes a serious problem with people getting drugs illegally.

Well, NO it does not.

Sorry, I do not think that "pharming parties" are legal. And anyone who
takes drugs are a pharming party is breaking the law.

This is not *people getting drugs illegally*, this is teenagers getting
drugs out of medicine cabinets right in thier own homes. This is not
breaking any law.

This IS showing the American people have fallen for the PROPAGANDA put in
front of them each day, and the doctors who write prescriptions TOO FREELY!


This shows where improvement in monitoring prescription drug sales is
needed.

Yes, starting with the doctors who prescribe them TOO FREELY.

Then, American people could really break away from using drugs unless
absolutely necessary.

You have to weigh the risks and benefits of using any drug, including ADHD
drugs.

Uh huh. Something unheard of 50 years ago, now it is rampant.

Ritalin was patented in 1954. What was it used for then if the only
thing it is used for now was "unheard of 50 years ago"?

You need to
weigh that also. While you are weighing this, you should weigh how fast this
Schedule II substance not to be given to kids under six is now given to kids
as young as two.

So you keep saying.

It called MADNESS for MONEY!

Who makes the MONEY?

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