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Judgment call?
Judgment call
http://www.maysville-online.com/arti...al/621wood.txt Tuesday, December 18, 2007 12:13 PM EST Print this story | Email this story In a ironic twist to the Amy Baker case, the judge has asked all parties involved -- prosecutors, defense lawyers and the defendant -- to judge whether he should be sitting on the bench for this case. The Baker case has become one of the highest profile cases in our area in recent years, meaning every move made by officials involved in the case is examined under the media microscope. That made the move by Judge Stockton Wood the latest target for intense scrutiny. Baker, charged for her alleged role in the death of toddler Marcus Fiesel, will be among those who will decide if Wood's relationship with prosecutors make it impossible for him to render impartial decisions in the Mason County case against Baker. Prosecutors say Baker helped burn the child's body and dispose of the ashes after he died bound in a closet at the home of his foster parents where she also lived as the foster father's lover. Baker was given immunity in Ohio in exchange for testimony that Ohio prosecutors say was instrumental in sending foster parents David and Liz Carroll to prison for the little boy's death. But after learning the ashes were tossed from the William Harsha Bridge and into Kentucky's jurisdiction, local law enforcement began an investigation which eventually resulted in charges being filed against Baker here. However, Ohio prosecutors have come to Baker's defense and claim Mason County Attorney John Estill kind of, sort of, maybe also agreed not to prosecute Baker. Estill says that isn't so. For the record, we tend to believe him. Nevertheless, Baker's defense attorneys have not only asked Wood to decide if Estill is lying but also whether Baker's words spoken in testimony at the foster parent's trial can be used against her in Kentucky. Once the question of Estill's credibility was raised, Wood realized he would be asked to rule on more than legalities in the case. He would, in essence, be expected to rule on his former law partner's truthfulness. Not only did Baker and Estill once practice law in the same firm, Estill remains a law partner with Wood's uncle. The judge must have realized his ability to remain unbiased would be brought into question. In a gutsy move, Wood went to those most likely to be affected by his decisions in the case, the defendant and prosecutor. He asked them to make the call. If they all agree he can remain impartial, he will stay. But if any one person doubts his impartiality, he will recuse himself. While it is true this latest turn of events will further set back a case that has already seemed to go on for way too long, we still admire Wood for having the courage to turn the spotlight on himself and ask others to judge him. That move gives us every confidence in his ability to make the right and fair decision instead of the easy one, not only in CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY/CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WIRETAPPING PROGRAMS.... CPS Does not protect children... It is sickening how many children are subject to abuse, neglect and even killed at the hands of Child Protective Services. every parent should read this .pdf from connecticut dcf watch... http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com/8x11.pdf http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com Number of Cases per 100,000 children in the US These numbers come from The National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect in Washington. (NCCAN) Recent numbers have increased significantly for CPS *Perpetrators of Maltreatment* Physical Abuse CPS 160, Parents 59 Sexual Abuse CPS 112, Parents 13 Neglect CPS 410, Parents 241 Medical Neglect CPS 14 Parents 12 Fatalities CPS 6.4, Parents 1.5 Imagine that, 6.4 children die at the hands of the very agencies that are supposed to protect them and only 1.5 at the hands of parents per 100,000 children. CPS perpetrates more abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse and kills more children then parents in the United States. If the citizens of this country hold CPS to the same standards that they hold parents too. No judge should ever put another child in the hands of ANY government agency because CPS nationwide is guilty of more harm and death than any human being combined. CPS nationwide is guilty of more human rights violations and deaths of children then the homes from which they were removed. When are the judges going to wake up and see that they are sending children to their death and a life of abuse when children are removed from safe homes based on the mere opinion of a bunch of social workers. CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES, HAPPILY DESTROYING THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT FAMILIES YEARLY NATIONWIDE AND COMING TO YOU'RE HOME SOON... BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEY ARE "FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION... |
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Judgment call? Greg, is this one of those 'horror' stories you were saying that FX posts by the scores?
"fx" wrote in message ... Judgment call http://www.maysville-online.com/arti...al/621wood.txt Tuesday, December 18, 2007 12:13 PM EST Print this story | Email this story In a ironic twist to the Amy Baker case, the judge has asked all parties involved -- prosecutors, defense lawyers and the defendant -- to judge whether he should be sitting on the bench for this case. The Baker case has become one of the highest profile cases in our area in recent years, meaning every move made by officials involved in the case is examined under the media microscope. That made the move by Judge Stockton Wood the latest target for intense scrutiny. Baker, charged for her alleged role in the death of toddler Marcus Fiesel, will be among those who will decide if Wood's relationship with prosecutors make it impossible for him to render impartial decisions in the Mason County case against Baker. Prosecutors say Baker helped burn the child's body and dispose of the ashes after he died bound in a closet at the home of his foster parents where she also lived as the foster father's lover. Baker was given immunity in Ohio in exchange for testimony that Ohio prosecutors say was instrumental in sending foster parents David and Liz Carroll to prison for the little boy's death. But after learning the ashes were tossed from the William Harsha Bridge and into Kentucky's jurisdiction, local law enforcement began an investigation which eventually resulted in charges being filed against Baker here. However, Ohio prosecutors have come to Baker's defense and claim Mason County Attorney John Estill kind of, sort of, maybe also agreed not to prosecute Baker. Estill says that isn't so. For the record, we tend to believe him. Nevertheless, Baker's defense attorneys have not only asked Wood to decide if Estill is lying but also whether Baker's words spoken in testimony at the foster parent's trial can be used against her in Kentucky. Once the question of Estill's credibility was raised, Wood realized he would be asked to rule on more than legalities in the case. He would, in essence, be expected to rule on his former law partner's truthfulness. Not only did Baker and Estill once practice law in the same firm, Estill remains a law partner with Wood's uncle. The judge must have realized his ability to remain unbiased would be brought into question. In a gutsy move, Wood went to those most likely to be affected by his decisions in the case, the defendant and prosecutor. He asked them to make the call. If they all agree he can remain impartial, he will stay. But if any one person doubts his impartiality, he will recuse himself. While it is true this latest turn of events will further set back a case that has already seemed to go on for way too long, we still admire Wood for having the courage to turn the spotlight on himself and ask others to judge him. That move gives us every confidence in his ability to make the right and fair decision instead of the easy one, not only in CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY/CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WIRETAPPING PROGRAMS.... CPS Does not protect children... It is sickening how many children are subject to abuse, neglect and even killed at the hands of Child Protective Services. every parent should read this .pdf from connecticut dcf watch... http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com/8x11.pdf http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com Number of Cases per 100,000 children in the US These numbers come from The National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect in Washington. (NCCAN) Recent numbers have increased significantly for CPS *Perpetrators of Maltreatment* Physical Abuse CPS 160, Parents 59 Sexual Abuse CPS 112, Parents 13 Neglect CPS 410, Parents 241 Medical Neglect CPS 14 Parents 12 Fatalities CPS 6.4, Parents 1.5 Imagine that, 6.4 children die at the hands of the very agencies that are supposed to protect them and only 1.5 at the hands of parents per 100,000 children. CPS perpetrates more abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse and kills more children then parents in the United States. If the citizens of this country hold CPS to the same standards that they hold parents too. No judge should ever put another child in the hands of ANY government agency because CPS nationwide is guilty of more harm and death than any human being combined. CPS nationwide is guilty of more human rights violations and deaths of children then the homes from which they were removed. When are the judges going to wake up and see that they are sending children to their death and a life of abuse when children are removed from safe homes based on the mere opinion of a bunch of social workers. CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES, HAPPILY DESTROYING THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT FAMILIES YEARLY NATIONWIDE AND COMING TO YOU'RE HOME SOON... BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEY ARE "FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION... |
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Is a dead foster kid rolled up in the closet a horror story?
What's the question, Betty?
Is a dead foster kid rolled up in the closet a horror story? Yes. Problem kid, no help for real Mom. System placed kid with a Foster Threesome. They wrapped the kid up and stuck him in a closet while they went to a family reunion. He died from heat. They tried to burn his body in fireplace remaining from the wreckage of a long gone house. Then they threw his body in the river. What exactly is unclear about the death of Marcus Fiesel? The immediate article is about honoring plea/immunity deals. Subject title: (Betty asked) Judgment call? Greg, is this one of those 'horror' stories you were saying that FX posts by the scores? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Fiesel Marcus Fiesel was an American foster care child murder victim. On February 21, 2007 his foster mother Liz Carroll was convicted of murdering him. On, February 26, 2007, it was announced attorneys for his foster father, David Carroll had reached a plea agreement, which was finalized on Tuesday, February 27 at 8:30 A.M. (EST). |
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Is a dead foster kid rolled up in the closet a horror story?
The article, Greg, was about the judge having concerns that he may not be
capable of being fair when hearing the case. Do you think that the judge, recognizing that it was possible that his prior relationship with the defendant, was a CPS horror story? "Greegor" wrote in message ... What's the question, Betty? Is a dead foster kid rolled up in the closet a horror story? Yes. Problem kid, no help for real Mom. System placed kid with a Foster Threesome. They wrapped the kid up and stuck him in a closet while they went to a family reunion. He died from heat. They tried to burn his body in fireplace remaining from the wreckage of a long gone house. Then they threw his body in the river. What exactly is unclear about the death of Marcus Fiesel? The immediate article is about honoring plea/immunity deals. Subject title: (Betty asked) Judgment call? Greg, is this one of those 'horror' stories you were saying that FX posts by the scores? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Fiesel Marcus Fiesel was an American foster care child murder victim. On February 21, 2007 his foster mother Liz Carroll was convicted of murdering him. On, February 26, 2007, it was announced attorneys for his foster father, David Carroll had reached a plea agreement, which was finalized on Tuesday, February 27 at 8:30 A.M. (EST). |
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On Dec 23, 9:09*am, "dragonsgirl" wrote:
The article, Greg, was about the judge having concerns that he may not be capable of being fair when hearing the case. Do you think that the judge, recognizing that it was possible that his prior relationship with the defendant, was a CPS horror story? The hearing would not be taking place AT ALL except there is a dispute about the plea/immunity deals made. Particularly since two adjacent states were involved. Can a person get immunity from two states at once if they turn states evidence to make a case? Judges are supposed to avoid even the hint of a conflict so asking the question even reveals a problem. "Greegor" wrote in message ... What's the question, Betty? Is a dead foster kid rolled up in the closet a horror story? * Yes. Problem kid, no help for real Mom. System placed kid with a Foster Threesome. They wrapped the kid up and stuck him in a closet while they went to a family reunion. * He died from heat. They tried to burn his body in fireplace remaining from the wreckage of a long gone house. Then they threw his body in the river. What exactly is unclear about the death of Marcus Fiesel? The immediate article is about honoring plea/immunity deals. Subject title: (Betty asked) Judgment call? Greg, is this one of those 'horror' stories you were saying that FX posts by the scores? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Fiesel Marcus Fiesel was an American foster care child murder victim. On February 21, 2007 his foster mother Liz Carroll was convicted of murdering him. On, February 26, 2007, it was announced attorneys for his foster father, David Carroll had reached a plea agreement, which was finalized on Tuesday, February 27 at 8:30 A.M. (EST). |
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"Greegor" wrote in message ... On Dec 23, 9:09 am, "dragonsgirl" wrote: The article, Greg, was about the judge having concerns that he may not be capable of being fair when hearing the case. Do you think that the judge, recognizing that it was possible that his prior relationship with the defendant, was a CPS horror story? The hearing would not be taking place AT ALL except there is a dispute about the plea/immunity deals made. Particularly since two adjacent states were involved. Can a person get immunity from two states at once if they turn states evidence to make a case? Judges are supposed to avoid even the hint of a conflict so asking the question even reveals a problem. So? What's your point? "Greegor" wrote in message ... What's the question, Betty? Is a dead foster kid rolled up in the closet a horror story? Yes. Problem kid, no help for real Mom. System placed kid with a Foster Threesome. They wrapped the kid up and stuck him in a closet while they went to a family reunion. He died from heat. They tried to burn his body in fireplace remaining from the wreckage of a long gone house. Then they threw his body in the river. What exactly is unclear about the death of Marcus Fiesel? The immediate article is about honoring plea/immunity deals. Subject title: (Betty asked) Judgment call? Greg, is this one of those 'horror' stories you were saying that FX posts by the scores? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Fiesel Marcus Fiesel was an American foster care child murder victim. On February 21, 2007 his foster mother Liz Carroll was convicted of murdering him. On, February 26, 2007, it was announced attorneys for his foster father, David Carroll had reached a plea agreement, which was finalized on Tuesday, February 27 at 8:30 A.M. (EST). |
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On Dec 25, 8:56 pm, Greegor wrote:
On Dec 23, 9:09 am, "dragonsgirl" wrote: The article, Greg, was about the judge having concerns that he may not be capable of being fair when hearing the case. Do you think that the judge, recognizing that it was possible that his prior relationship with the defendant, was a CPS horror story? The hearing would not be taking place AT ALL except there is a dispute about the plea/immunity deals made. As usual, greg you fail to comprehend the situation. There was an immunity deal made in Ohio. There is a claim that a similar deal was also made in Kentucky. Particularly since two adjacent states were involved. Can a person get immunity from two states at once if they turn states evidence to make a case? Two different states, two different jurisdictions. Judges are supposed to avoid even the hint of a conflict so asking the question even reveals a problem. You're such a moron, greg. Amy Baker was given immunity in Ohio in exchange for her testimony that was used to convict David and Liz Carroll. It was only after Baker's statement revealed the ashes of the child were dumped into Kentucky jurisdiction that the question of the second state's alleged immunity deal became an issue. IOW if the ashes were dumped in Ohio none of this would be taking place. The Ohio Judge is NOT clairvoyant! Do you really expect him to be? |
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On Dec 26, 12:35*pm, Dan Sullivan wrote:
On Dec 25, 8:56 pm, Greegor wrote: On Dec 23, 9:09 am, "dragonsgirl" wrote: The article, Greg, was about the judge having concerns that he may not be capable of being fair when hearing the case. Do you think that the judge, recognizing that it was possible that his prior relationship with the defendant, was a CPS horror story? The hearing would not be taking place AT ALL except there is a dispute about the plea/immunity deals made. As usual, greg you fail to comprehend the situation. There was an immunity deal made in Ohio. There is a claim that a similar deal was also made in Kentucky. Particularly since two adjacent states were involved. Can a person get immunity from two states at once if they turn states evidence to make a case? Two different states, two different jurisdictions. Judges are supposed to avoid even the hint of a conflict so asking the question even reveals a problem. You're such a moron, greg. Amy Baker was given immunity in Ohio in exchange for her testimony that was used to convict David and Liz Carroll. It was only after Baker's statement revealed the ashes of the child were dumped into Kentucky jurisdiction that the question of the second state's alleged immunity deal became an issue. IOW if the ashes were dumped in Ohio none of this would be taking place. The Ohio Judge is NOT clairvoyant! Do you really expect him to be? Did you actually READ this, Dan? From the original news story: However, Ohio prosecutors have come to Baker's defense and claim Mason County Attorney John Estill kind of, sort of, maybe also agreed not to prosecute Baker. Estill says that isn't so. For the record, we tend to believe him. Nevertheless, Baker's defense attorneys have not only asked Wood to decide if Estill is lying but also whether Baker's words spoken in testimony at the foster parent's trial can be used against her in Kentucky. Once the question of Estill's credibility was raised, Wood realized he would be asked to rule on more than legalities in the case. He would, in essence, be expected to rule on his former law partner's truthfulness. Not only did Baker and Estill once practice law in the same firm, Estill remains a law partner with Wood's uncle. The judge must have realized his ability to remain unbiased would be brought into question. |
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On Dec 26, 2:10 pm, Greegor wrote:
On Dec 26, 12:35 pm, Dan Sullivan wrote: On Dec 25, 8:56 pm, Greegor wrote: On Dec 23, 9:09 am, "dragonsgirl" wrote: The article, Greg, was about the judge having concerns that he may not be capable of being fair when hearing the case. Do you think that the judge, recognizing that it was possible that his prior relationship with the defendant, was a CPS horror story? The hearing would not be taking place AT ALL except there is a dispute about the plea/immunity deals made. As usual, greg you fail to comprehend the situation. There was an immunity deal made in Ohio. There is a claim that a similar deal was also made in Kentucky. Particularly since two adjacent states were involved. Can a person get immunity from two states at once if they turn states evidence to make a case? Two different states, two different jurisdictions. Judges are supposed to avoid even the hint of a conflict so asking the question even reveals a problem. You're such a moron, greg. Amy Baker was given immunity in Ohio in exchange for her testimony that was used to convict David and Liz Carroll. It was only after Baker's statement revealed the ashes of the child were dumped into Kentucky jurisdiction that the question of the second state's alleged immunity deal became an issue. IOW if the ashes were dumped in Ohio none of this would be taking place. The Ohio Judge is NOT clairvoyant! Do you really expect him to be? Did you actually READ this, Dan? From the original news story: However, Ohio prosecutors have come to Baker's defense and claim Mason County Attorney John Estill kind of, sort of, maybe also agreed not to prosecute Baker. Estill says that isn't so. For the record, we tend to believe him. Nevertheless, Baker's defense attorneys have not only asked Wood to decide if Estill is lying but also whether Baker's words spoken in testimony at the foster parent's trial can be used against her in Kentucky. Once the question of Estill's credibility was raised, Wood realized he would be asked to rule on more than legalities in the case. He would, in essence, be expected to rule on his former law partner's truthfulness. Not only did Baker and Estill once practice law in the same firm, Estill remains a law partner with Wood's uncle. The judge must have realized his ability to remain unbiased would be brought into question. Your point is? And I still ask you, do you think the Judge is clairvoyant? |
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On Dec 26, 2:03*pm, Dan Sullivan wrote:
On Dec 26, 2:10 pm, Greegor wrote: On Dec 26, 12:35 pm, Dan Sullivan wrote: On Dec 25, 8:56 pm, Greegor wrote: On Dec 23, 9:09 am, "dragonsgirl" wrote: The article, Greg, was about the judge having concerns that he may not be capable of being fair when hearing the case. Do you think that the judge, recognizing that it was possible that his prior relationship with the defendant, was a CPS horror story? The hearing would not be taking place AT ALL except there is a dispute about the plea/immunity deals made. As usual, greg you fail to comprehend the situation. There was an immunity deal made in Ohio. There is a claim that a similar deal was also made in Kentucky. Particularly since two adjacent states were involved. Can a person get immunity from two states at once if they turn states evidence to make a case? Two different states, two different jurisdictions. Judges are supposed to avoid even the hint of a conflict so asking the question even reveals a problem. You're such a moron, greg. Amy Baker was given immunity in Ohio in exchange for her testimony that was used to convict David and Liz Carroll. It was only after Baker's statement revealed the ashes of the child were dumped into Kentucky jurisdiction that the question of the second state's alleged immunity deal became an issue. DS IOW if the ashes were dumped in Ohio DS none of this would be taking place. If the KY dumping wasn't known then why was OHIO Mason County Attorney John Estill involved? (You didn't really READ the article did you Dan?) DS The Ohio Judge is NOT clairvoyant! DS Do you really expect him to be? G Did you actually READ this, Dan? From the original news story: However, Ohio prosecutors have come to Baker's defense and claim Mason County Attorney John Estill kind of, sort of, maybe also agreed not to prosecute Baker. Estill says that isn't so. For the record, we tend to believe him. Nevertheless, Baker's defense attorneys have not only asked Wood to decide if Estill is lying but also whether Baker's words spoken in testimony at the foster parent's trial can be used against her in Kentucky. Once the question of Estill's credibility was raised, Wood realized he would be asked to rule on more than legalities in the case. He would, in essence, be expected to rule on his former law partner's truthfulness. Not only did Baker and Estill once practice law in the same firm, Estill remains a law partner with Wood's uncle. The judge must have realized his ability to remain unbiased would be brought into question. DS Your point is? DS And I still ask you, do you think the Judge is clairvoyant? You didn't read the original news article did you Dan? |
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